Colt Of Personality
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ESPNews reports the New England Patriots have released WR Doug Gabriel
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Patriots Release Gabriel (1 Viewer)
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
How can a team with minimal WR talent,
afford to toss Gabriel in the street with the playoffs
right around the corner ?
Maybe Chad Jackson will get some more PT.
afford to toss Gabriel in the street with the playoffs
right around the corner ?
Maybe Chad Jackson will get some more PT.
aDingoAteMyBaby
Footballguy
How long until he becomes a Raider..... especially with the Moss injury.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
He only cost the Patriots a 5th, but I wonder how much of an impact his trade had on New England unloading Branch.
Jimmy Johnson's Hairdresser
Footballguy
wow
DawnBTVS
Footballguy
Jabar Gaffney's been quietly stepping up over the past few weeks (even if the stats don't show it). I think the Pats can work with a group of Reche Caldwell/Troy Brown/Gaffney/Chad Jackson along with Ben Watson and Daniel Graham at TE.
The fact Brady uses so many targets doesn't mean that losing a WR is as big a killer compared to the Packers losing a WR, for example. They can always shift Watson to WR and use David Thomas as a #2 TE if that situation becomes dire. Extreme example, I know.
The fact Brady uses so many targets doesn't mean that losing a WR is as big a killer compared to the Packers losing a WR, for example. They can always shift Watson to WR and use David Thomas as a #2 TE if that situation becomes dire. Extreme example, I know.
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The Contrarian
Footballguy
I wasn't aware of the Moss injury. Do you think it will effect his numbers?
Boston
Footballguy
Very odd. Gabriel has been in the doghouse/MIA since his fumble during the Jet game. At first it seemed like punishment for his miscue but since almost every Patriot has fumbled since than without joining him in the doghouse it would appear something else is up. The rumor mill has been dry but I'm sure we'll hear something in the next day or two. While Gabriel is nothing special the Pats WR unit is a mess and they really aren't in a position to be letting warm bodies go. Especially if Jax is thru for the season which has been rumored. There'e definetly a missing piece to this story.
I can't recall the game but he had a costly fumble in a game, was pulled, and rarely played ever again after that fumble.WTF? He had some good games for them. Does anyone know what happened?
redman
Footballguy
I asked about that very thing not three weeks ago and whether Belichick was holding a grudge, and Pats fans were saying, "No, no, Bill always plays the best players, blah, blah, blah."I can't recall the game but he had a costly fumble in a game, was pulled, and rarely played ever again after that fumble.WTF? He had some good games for them. Does anyone know what happened?
thatguy
Footballguy
Didn't Belichek and his wife divorce a couple years ago?
Boston
Footballguy
If there was ever a player BB was going to hold a grudge against it would be Ty Law. The venom he was spewing towards BB was as bad as it can get. Yet, BB had him play another year and even made a play to bring him back this year. There's something more to this story but it's not a grudge. BB can be very cold with his business decisions but right or wrong they're always based on what he thinks is best for the team.I asked about that very thing not three weeks ago and whether Belichick was holding a grudge, and Pats fans were saying, "No, no, Bill always plays the best players, blah, blah, blah."I can't recall the game but he had a costly fumble in a game, was pulled, and rarely played ever again after that fumble.WTF? He had some good games for them. Does anyone know what happened?
Avery
Footballguy
Valid points in terms of the "team concept" but it's not like the Patroits "lost" a WR due to injury or uncontrollable circumstances. They simply cut his ###.Even if he's not being particularly productive, say Caldwell or Gaffney or Chad Jackson get hurt. Would the Patroits find someone better out there to replace them on the roster then Gabriel?
kevjones22
Footballguy
maybe he earned some extra money from miami... well seriously this is surprising I thought he was one of thier top 3 wrs
Avery
Footballguy
Agree.There had to be something more than an ill-timed fumble weeks ago for him to get cut.
He dropped an easy one this week. I don't know if it was a drop or a fumble but I remember thinking woops. I don't think it's so odd. Well maybe but it's not "wow" like a few have made it out to be. What good has he been? He's been like when they signed Andre Davis from Cleveland.The pick isn't a 5th but an undisclosed pick. Maybe him getting cut makes it less, we don't know what was involved in the trade.
They got their 2005 Safety back in Gus Scott. They cut him and probably shouldn't but who would have expected them to have so many DB injuries again
No day off or film or meeting like ya said, easy day
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FWIW I've got a couple emails that he's been a poor influence on Chad. I didn't know he felt the need to adopt the rook, I'd have thought Troy would but....
The other thing is he has a very laid back personality that BB's been expecting to change.
anyhow just speculation
The other thing is he has a very laid back personality that BB's been expecting to change.
anyhow just speculation
Boston
Footballguy
It's odd because right now the Pats WR corps is a mess and there's rumors that Jax could be shutting it down for the year. It's not like Gabriel's anything special but when you're talking about going to the waiver wire in week 14 for a guy you may need to contribute instead of using Gabriel something's a little off-center.
This article sorta backs up that speculation some**********
Is there one guy in particular that you have gotten to know a little bit better than the others?
Not one guy. But I have Chad Jackson; we talk a lot about on and off the field stuff. Daniel Graham and me talk a lot, and Benjamin Watson's locker is right next to mine so we talk a lot too. It's pretty good.
Do you talk to different guys about different things? For instance, your conversations with Troy Brown must be much different than your talks with Chad Jackson.
I talk to Troy for advice and about the atmosphere here, how things work here and to get a feel for the coaches and the players. With Chad, I've been in the league longer than him, so I try to just let him know that he can be a big help to this team, and let him know certain things that I work on and we talk about what he needs to work on. It's like a big brother, little brother situation.
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Where does that laid back attitude come from?
I'm the baby of the family. I'm the youngest of four boys; so I know how to be patient, wait my turn. I was never at the top.
http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...470&pcid=47
They needed DB help thoughI know you have no problem with Troy. Reche has been surprisingly good this year. Gaffney's been OK as a 3rd WR the little times he's played. Last week's 4 WR set with Watson and Graham as the inside WRs, I love that. GL coverring that AFC Ds and that can be a nice angle to block from and Graham with a couple steps is a pretty fierce blocker.They also throw Pass and Faulk out wide every now and again. I'd understand if this guy was getting 30 plays a game but he's only been in for a few. That's so easily replaceable.
Boston
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of Gabriel. He's an ordinary WR. That's not my point. My point is right now the Patriot WR unit is a mess and for them to cut him something about him must really bother them. This reminds me of Steve Martin back in 2002. Looking at their current WR unit isn't pretty. Jax maybe done for the year. That leaves Caldwell who's solid but in over his head as a #1. Troy is Troy. After that you have a very mediocre Jabar Gaffney. To be cutting Gabriel right now says whatever they don't like about him is pretty bad because they're basically saying they'd rather have a street free agent than him because that's about their only option right about now (outside of Bam Childress). Also, if Jax is done and they get an injury to Caldwell or Troy you're talking about going into the playoffs with about as bad a WR unit as you could possibly have.
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Possibly but the way Patten and Givens have played elsewhere it also has to make ya rethink if they were really that good. When BB was DC with the Giants and they went to the Supe, each time, they had "nothing" at WR too. Teams have won with cruddy WRs.BTW I like that Bam guy, wish they'd have kept him+played him.
aDingoAteMyBaby
Footballguy
Moss InjuryMoss looks like he may be out this week. It makes some sense to bring Gabriel back. I do recall hearing something about Gabriel having motivation issues back before he was traded to the Patriots. There wasn't much about it when he was traded though, so I didn't think much of it.
The team that should really go after Gabriel is Houston. They'll need all the game planning help they can get this week.
Erin Go Bragh
Footballguy
If I'm the Jaguars, I bring him in if for no other reason than they play the Pats next week and they could easily face them in the playoffs as well. Their WR corps is nothing spectacular and he would give them a guy who is a little speedier/quicker than their typical WR. Sign him if you think he can help down the stretch but at least pick his brain on the Pats.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Would have to imagine Pats are activating Bam Childress off the PS rather soon.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
The Onion is reporting that he was charged with Mopery on Monday night, and that upon hearing about it he was cut right away. With that on his record nobody's going to sign him.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I read somewhere that Gabriel was cut to make room for a DT off the practice squad - apparently Wilfork's injury is something they're very concerned about.
I can't find the link.
I can't find the link.
Maybe the reason why they cut him was that he couldn't get the playbook...? Given is actions as being a loner type, I doubt he'd add much to JAX gameplanning.
wharf rat
Footballguy
This is what I heard.
Gargoylez
Footballguy
At least this makes some sense.to cut a WR for no reason? If they have to make room, then that at least makes sense.
RC94
Footballguy
Sweeper
Footballguy
It was for DB help, maybe Clayton's right and they get a DT later in the week and cut someone else?NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS-Released WR Doug Gabriel. Signed DB Justin Phinisee and S Guss Scott to the practice squad. Released CB James Patrick from the practice squad.
RC94
Footballguy
Did you read the part of the link that pertains to Gabriel? Here is what he says:The Patriots released wide receiver Doug Gabriel because you sense they are worried about the injuries of tight end Ben Watson and defensive tackle Vince Wilfolk. Though the team isn't saying, both players could miss a couple of weeks. Needing the roster space to bring players off the practice squad, the Patriots cut Gabriel.
Clayton's speculating. Facts are that they signed Gus Scott and Phinisee. He mentions they need roster space to bring players off the practice squad but they just filled up a roster spot with Scott. I'd be rollin' with it if the Pats cut Gabriel and didn't sign anyone. Then they have that spot and it makes some sense. Right now, with no spot, it's not possible. As I originally replied, maybe they do something later in the week.
BTW Scott was a 3rd or 4th round pick in 04. I'm not sure if he's eligible for the PS or if that's a typo. I know due to injuries he started for the Pats and IIRC he started for the Texans earlier this year.
ETA
I was referring to DT, I think Clayton is wrong in that a Watson injury would force their hand to make a move unless it's Mills off PS. They have Dave Thomas, Graham, and Mills. They don't need to make a move for a 4th TE while Watson is out.
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Cmon now, there's no spot
The Contrarian
Footballguy
The Lions should sign Gabriel for a ton of Money!
