Patriots with the 1st pick in the draft (1 Viewer)

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

SF has a hefty lead against the Dolphins and Rams. I would guess an unsurmountable lead at this point.

2 games with 7 to play. Unsurmountable?

SF probably has a better chance of winning their division and making the playoffs than finishing last in the league.

 

[Ned]

So SF gets the pick the Patriots lose?

 

[eom]

san fran has lost 6 straight - remaining games:

@ sea L

st louis ?

@az L

@car L

minny L

cincy L

tb L

@cle L

that gives them 2 wins w/a big game against st louis -- a horrible team they beat by one point earlier this year.

miami:

buf

@phi

@pitt

jets

@buf

balt

@ne

cincy

I say they avenge the 3 pt loss @ jets earlier this year, split w/buf, beat balt, and even have a shot at cincy.

3+ wins.

st louis:

they're looking at more losses, but host atl, play san fran, cincy , and 'zona --- all possible wins.

I'll put them down for 3 wins.

I don't know who wins tiebreakers, but that san fran/st louis game is huge.

go st louis!!!!!!!!

ps

last year it was pretty easy to spot the position the pats needed to bolster, but I'd be curious to know what you think they'd want to add if they got a top 3 pick and didn't trade down, yudkin, or any pats fans.

and even if they trade, what spots would you want to see help at.

I think the cap tightens up on them next year, so I don't know how they'd do it, but you'd think they'd want to resign the guys they've got this season.

if you actually took the top 3 pick, do you see them taking another rb, or do you stick w/maroney -- if they could even pay a top 3 pick.

maybe I'll dig up their cap figures, unless you have that info already.

 

[Kleck.]

Does anyone know what the trade was? how did new england get SF's 1st round pick in 08?

49ers trade up with PatriotsSan Francisco 49ers: Acquire pick No. 28 (selected OT Joe Staley).New England Patriots: Acquire pick No. 110 and a first-round pick in 2008.Scouts take: The 49ers aggressively moved up in the backend of the first round to acquire LT Joe Staley. By selecting Staley the 49ers can move LT Jonas Jennings to the right side and drastically improve their offensive line. The 49ers have been shopping both RG Justin Smiley and the underachieving RT Kwame Harris throughout the offseason. Staley was a former TE who was converted to RT in 2004. He is a very good athlete with outstanding feet, balance and control but needs to improve his total body strength. The Patriots got great value acquiring the 49ers' first-round pick in 2008 and a fourth this season. The Patriots like to acquire future No. 1 picks.

The Pats traded the 110th pick to OAK in exchange for Randy Moss.

So the Pats essentially turned the 28th pick in the 07 draft into Moss and what is looking like a top 5-10 pick in 2008. Amazing.

That's why they're the best.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

The funny thing is that they widely criticized on this board for not getting enough value. Most people were gushing about Dallas's trade with Cleveland and how that would net them a top 5 pick. MAny said SF was up and coming and that Staley would further help stabilize them. Of course, many of those people were also discussing how NE dramatically overpaid for Wes Welker as well.

 

[kevinray]

I bet they trade the San Fran pick to Dallas for their two first rounders. Just seems like something both teams could be interested in.

 

[eom]

well, to be fair about it, I don't think there was a ton of interest in moss --- as far as trading high round picks for him, anyway.

the strength of their organization really helped them pick him up.

I think they had 2 first round picks because they got that one for branch, so they had some flexibility there, but I don't really remember.

 

[Pat Patriot]

As someone stated, the Pats only recent high picks were Richard Seymour and to a degree, Ty Warren. The obviously kept those picks. I think they would look at the value and if there was a player they liked, they would make the pick.

I think they would be ecstatic to get Glenn Dorsey or Darren McFadden. Other than that extracting the best trade value out of someone who needs a QB would probably be the course of business.

PS. I believe the cap is expected to go up again next year. Signing Moss shouldnt be a problem. Stallworth would likely be thanked for his efforts and let go. They would expect Chad Jackson to step in and play his role. I think they already realize that they are likely to lose Samuel.

 

[AB in DC]

& the Celts best shot at an injection of youth goes south.

Pun intended? Ouch.

 

[Pat Patriot]

& the Celts best shot at an injection of youth goes south.

Pun intended? Ouch.

Bias wasnt shooting heroin he was snorting cocaine.....wasnt he?

 

[Jercules]

How much of an advantage do you thin it gives a team like NE, Pittsburgh, or Indy, to be able to draft true system guys that will be able to produce even if guys like Mel Kiper don't necessarily grade them ultra high. Think of all the advantages they have - steady organizations and coaching staffs, a winning culture, talented supporting cast. When you compare NE to a team like SF, where Nolan is under the gun and doesn't mind mortgaging the future to buy himself an extra year or two at a hefty salary - it's no wonder a team like the Pats cleans up with draft picks.

 

[phthalatemagic]

The day the NBA Eastern Conference power structure changed. The 76ers castrate themselves & the Celtsbest shot at an injection of youth goes south.

I'm pretty sure Bias smoked crack, not injecting the stuff.

 

[twitch]

How much of an advantage do you thin it gives a team like NE, Pittsburgh, or Indy, to be able to draft true system guys that will be able to produce even if guys like Mel Kiper don't necessarily grade them ultra high. Think of all the advantages they have - steady organizations and coaching staffs, a winning culture, talented supporting cast. When you compare NE to a team like SF, where Nolan is under the gun and doesn't mind mortgaging the future to buy himself an extra year or two at a hefty salary - it's no wonder a team like the Pats cleans up with draft picks.

Theyve had a good mix of draft picks that have stepped right in and played major roles. And theyve also had the luxury of drafting guys that they can bring along slowly. Usually, the big guys can get in their right away and contribute. But basically, they just have a better eye for talent than teams like SF. But it is a tremendous luxury to not feel pressure every year to draft immediate producers. SF's been busted by hard luck and injuries this year. Theyve just seemed to have alot of bad luck lately. If that #1 pick is at 5 or lower, I think NE will make the pick. If its in the top 3 or 4, Id expect they'll move it for about 3 picks. Probably a couple of 1sts and a 2nd or 3rd. Depth wins in the NFL.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I think the Pats would hate to get the first pick. Too much money involved for a guy who might not be needed.

On the flip side, the Pats would probably be more likely to trade the pick at "below value" on the chart. They might be happy with a mid - late first and a second or something like that.

Count me in for the "patriots would trade down" club.They like to pay less money for draft picks in the 20-50 area and drat players that can play like a top 20 player.

Evidence that they "like to" make picks in the 20-50 area as opposed to they tend to get picks in the 20-50 area because they usually make the playoffs?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

So the Pats essentially turned the 28th pick in the 07 draft into Moss and what is looking like a top 5-10 pick in 2008. Amazing.

That's how it worked out.

pure genius.

 

[Phlash]

People who think Belichick wouldn't want to draft an instant stud is just kidding themselves. He's good at developing players but he would love to have someone with some absurd talent, like a Darren McFadden.

 

[yinzer]

whoa...i guess im the only one who thought NE's pick was Cleveland's 1st this yr :( (Quinn - but ETA remembered that was Dallas.....damn)

i guess that was wishful thinking

 

[greenline]

I just shake my head sometimes when I read things around here. NE would trade down, sure. But they are not going to just give up value to avoid paying someone. Just when you think you know what they are doing, they do something else. It's really because they just let you think you know their philosophy.

If the situation is prime for them, they will take a player in the top 5, if they feel the cost is worth the return. They don't like just paying Top 10 money to a guy when he doesn't grade out that way on their board. Hell, they trade out of rounds all the time because it doesn't grade out.

If SF tanks and NE gets Top 5 pick it will all depend on what is there. I would say they are more likely to swap with someone else who has two 1st rd picks, take a guy around the 20th pick, then trade out into 2009 with the other. But just relinquishing value is not going to happen. The Patriots manipulate the draft to create and gain value, not lose it to save a few bucks.