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There is 0% chance Morris gets cut, and therefore 0% chance he would then retire. NE doesnt typically cut fair-salaried, hard-working role players like Morris who perform their job well. Jordan has been with this team about 3 days. Neither of these guys is getting paid like a star, so there's plenty of room for both. NE was thin at RB last year. With Jordan in to supplement their other backs, hopefully this year they wont.
One thing is for sure, DY. The situation has just become even more muddled. My bottom line question for you here is, regarding drafts, how far down will this drive Maroney in ADP? Gut feeling.
He went at 4.06 in my Ulitmate Survivor Challenge league the other night and 4.12 in last night's League 7 draft.So I would guess late 3rd to some point in the 4th will be where he will go.
I think they won't cut a RB. If they release someone, it will probably be a QB as they can't really keep Brady, Cassel, Gutierrez, and O'Connell.
I was thinking 2nd year FB Kyle Eckel will be the one potentially up for the block. The guy played at the Naval Academy, and he's on the team because Belichick loves the discipline of the academy players. But I think Eckel could be moved to the practice squad without fear of losing him to another team. Evans is NE's #1 and an accomplished FB. No way he gets cut. And he's overqualified for PS duty. They definitely cant keep 4 QBs. Gutierrez might slip thru to the PS. Cassel should remain as the backup because the rookie just wont be ready for a couple of years. But imo, both Cassel and the rookie would be claimed off waivers if theyre headed to the PS.
Im just hoping that "somewhere" is right there in New England. By the time his contract is up, so will Faulk's and Moss', and those 2 fellas are making alot of coin.
As a Maroney owner who is NOT a Pats fan, I really hope "somewher" is not in New England. Unless BB leaves, Maroney will never achieve his full potential there.
I just think its a little early in the guy's career to determine how Belichick will use him for the next 3 seasons. In his first year, he was a rookie running in tandem with an all-time grinder. Last year, he was coming off offseason shoulder surgery, and didnt get cleared for contact until deep into the preseason. You werent getting his best for most of last year, imo. Give the guy a full season this year to see how valuable he can be. That's all Id expect.
Thanks. We'll PM you a cookie.
Me too.I also think it's sell high time for Jordan.
see, as a Pats homer, I believe Maroney's usage will vary from game to game depending on the gameplan/strategy. And the problem there is that you'll never know what week it's his week.Maroney will put up some big games this year. But he'll be invisible (and possibly injured) on others.
Ryan-With only 4 playoff teams on a schedule that has been identified as the league's easiest, Id throw him in the lineup pretty much every week and hope for the best. As Ive mentioned this before, NE is facing the 3rd most difficult FF schedule in the league for QBs. Alteast on paper, based on the #s, Brady's going to be facing a far stiffer challenge this year than Maroney. FWIW.
This is the biggest problem I have with Maroney. His projected numbers may be there in the end, but from week to week he seems to be all or nothing. This is a killer in head-to-head play.
I'm curious, I thought last year's Pat's schedule was one of the toughest I've seen. What's your take on how this year's schedule compares to last year's in terms of QB toughness?
Here's the chart for the upcoming season. 2008 Fantasy SOSs
I'm starting to think that people use this argument way too much on these boards. As far as talent goes, they are about equal. Sorry, for all those Jordan lovers or Morris haters, but Jordan and Morris are similar backs with similar talent levels, both better suited for backup roles.
Switz, when you say something I agree with it'll be the first time.Lamont Jordan: drafted #49, ran 4.57 at 230 pounds, 22.8 years old at the start of his rookie seasonSammy Morris: drafted #156, ran 4.58 at 220 pounds, 23.4 years old at the start of his rookie seasonThat alone should tell you all you need to know. But since I don't expect you'll believe that, here are some other measures with a basis beyond "Switz thinks it, therefore it is so!"Lamont Jordan: 97 games, 4586 yards, 27 TDs (47 yards/game from scrimmage, .28 TDs/game) - three year starter at RB when healthy (after being stuck behind Curtis Martin).Sammy Morris: 100 games, 2680 yards, 18 TDs (27 yards/game from scrimmage, .18 TDs/game) - never named first choice starterNow maybe there's some OTHER way of measuring talent that I'm not aware of. If so, please educate me. You got something more than opinion?
All five RBs whose name you know will be on the squad - the rookie will go to the practice squad (assuming he clears waivers) - Eckel is the question mark. If the team carries six, he's it. If the teamn carries five, he better be damn good on ST.
Unfortunately for future Maroney owners, it won't drive it very far down - IMO, not far enough to make picking him anywhere near his likely ADP a good move. I wouldn't touch Maroney anytime before RB20-24 or so. Right now he is RB15/28th overall.He simply won't fall far enough to ever represent what I consider value - I think maroney will give you 8-10 really good fantasy games and 6-8 games where he will be pretty much useless. Predicting which ones will be impossible. Good value in best ball/survior league, but I don't have the hair to spare to pull any out trying to suss which games to start Maroney.
Fantastic. Keep us all posted on any trades you make in the future
You beat me to it. This is essentially my point as well.
I like your attitude here on Maroney, ML. Youre keeping it simple and youve got a range youre willing to get him should he fall somewhere in the 4th-ish round range. Funny thing is, guys should be falling all over one another to grab the #1 back on a relatively strong team with the league's easiest schedule. It makes me kindof chuckle thinking really how goofy the logic is of people passing on him thru to the 4th round. So many just have to see to believe. Im trying to tell guys now, though. People just dont want to listen.
i can see your point here. but to me, the signing of jordan just muddies the fantasy RB situation in NE. it's not like you really know whats going to happen(rushing wise) with NE from week to week.imo, there are better options available in the 4th rnd. you really think Maroney is a lock to put up solid RB2 numbers?
I don't think it muddies Maroney's carry percentage. I think it muddies the backup RB position there. This puts the roles of lesser player in question. I think Maroney gets the same work no matter what, it's the remaining carries that may change.I don't think this affects Maroney's value at all. Morris and Faulk, for sure.
I could not disagree with this more. If (and obviously it's a big if) Jordan goes back to being the RB he was a few years ago there is no way he won't have an adverse effect on Maroney (or any other RB on the Pats roster). Maroney has shared carries/playing time two years in a row whether it's with Dillon or Morris and Faulk. The Pats have yet to show they see him as a workhorse...and Maroney has yet to show he can handle that role. Adding a RB who potentially could have the most diverse skill-set of all four RBs to a coach who absolutely loves players who can do multiple things and I just don't see how it won't have an effect on Maroney.Now, if your point is Jordan is not the player he once than that's a different story, although I don't think we'll know until the games start as to whether he's on the downside or if he's the next Antowain Smith or Corey Dillon. Yet, one thing is always 100% sure in Foxboro...if you can prove you can help the team (regardless of position) BB will find a role for you. IMO it's almost impossible to handicap Jordan's effect on the running game until we see what type of player he is in 2008.
I really think Maroney earned a great deal of respect last season not complaining during the first half of the season when everyone and their mother was scoring TDs on their way to multiple records. The kid didnt complain not a single time. And he didnt score a TD until week ELEVEN vs. Buffalo. But moving forward, he had some very solid games, scored in 8 of the next 10 games with 9TDs during that stretch. He's fumbled once on 386 touches during his career, during his rookie season. And he's obviously a beloved, team player. Im not going to be shocked to see him voted an offensive captain this season. Belichick is loyal to guys that are loyal to him. Watch what happens.
Even if Lamont goes back to being the guy he was a few years ago, I don't see that being enough to lessen Maroney's workload. Mainly because I think people are confusing Lamont from 3 years ago with a great back.Boston said:
Really ?
So you're saying that because Jordan got more opportunity, he is more talented?Or are you saying because he was drafted higher he is more talented?Like I said, this whole "talent" argument is really overused. The talent gap in the NFL is very small outside of a select group of elite players.4.1 YPC, .03 TD/carry - 8.2 YPR, 8.7 YAC, .02 TD/rec4.0 YPC, .04 TD/carry - 7.0 YPR, 6.3 YAC, .01 TD/rec Do you really see a remarkable difference in those numbers? One is definitely more productive as a receiver, but as far as rushing goes, there's not much difference at all.Interestingly, the three years you tout Jordan for starting, he averaged a piddly 3.8 YPC, behind the same line other RBs did much better.Neither of these players are elite, both are backup caliber players.
