Pats sign Stallworth (Contract Offer) (1 Viewer)

[PMENFAN]

Wow, the historically tight-fisted Pats are sure throwing around some coin this offseason. First Adalius Thomas, then Welker and now Stallworth.

I guess that's what happens when Manning finally beats you.

I had been silently thinking this very thing for the past couple of days. I think they realized that last year's cut-rate roster wasn't going to win them any championships with the likes of Indy and San Diego in their conference, with Pittsburgh and Denver close behind, and with the upstart Jets in their division.

No offense, but weren't they a depleted secondary from the Superbowl? It wasn't a lack of spending, it was Harrison and Wilson and Gay, and Scott and Hawkins all being out and going to Rashad Baker and Ray Mickens, two guys they picked up halfway through the season, in November in fact, that cost them the game. It was just too much. Even with all that missing in the secondary, they still only lost the game by 4 points, and were the 2nd best team in the league. Why spend the money? Because they've made decisions in the past that allows them to, and there are players available that fit their needs. Adalius Thomas is a perfect fit for Belichick. And, he wants to play there. Why not sign him? It was the first place he visited, and he didn't want to go anyplace else. Why would you not sign the best free agent avalable that wants to play for you, at a contract that most agree is below what he could have gotten elsewhere? They're cutting ties w/ Patrick Pass, and filling his role with Sammy Morris, it's a virtual wash in salary. Wes Welker is another great fit. Isn't every team supposed to try and improve? They're making moves they make every year, with the exception of Thomas, and that hasn't been seen since the Colvin deal a few years back.

How does a cut-rate roster go 12-4 and lose in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs by only 4, on the road, if they're that far off? I could see that being a reason if they got rolled by the Jets in rd. 1, or if the secondary wasn't absolutely decimated by injury. The Pats (34) cut-rate roster scored more on Indy than the rest of the playoff teams combined in their other 3 games (Bears 17, Ravens 6, Chiefs 8-31 Total). That cut rate team was second best in the league, and they're doing what every other team is doing at this stage, trying to get better by filling holes. There just happens to be players they want available, so they're trying to get them.

 

[ThePittbully]

Stallworth played 16 games in both 2004 and 2005 but missed 4 games early last year. Did not miss a game after week 7. His injuries are exaggerated.

He's played 13 or less games in 3 of his 5 years. Sure, he's stayed healthy two years, but that's not exactly a great track record.

Not to mention in some of these games he "played" in he was nursing hamstring injuries and had little to no impact.

 

[ROCKET]

As a Pats fan I'm praying we don't sign Stallworth

What WR that's available do you feel is better than Stallworth, or are you happy with the current crop of NE WRs?

Just because there isn't a bunch of stud free agent wr's out there doesn't mean you have to panic . Why sign a guy who has been as unreliable as Stallworth to a big $$, long term deal? What exactly has he proven aside from being able to catch a deep go route once in a while? He is soft as a grape, the injury concerns are hardly exaggerated. And he will not go over the middle and catch the ball in traffic. Add to that his substance issues and you have a whimpy, one trick pony who has tons of issues. I'm all for adding a wr but the Pats are taking a huge gamble on this guy if they give him a guranteed deal. If they want to sign him to a 1 year incentive filled deal then that's fine. The Pats have been trying to replace Branch by reaching for a guy like Chad Jackson and now they are reaching again with Stallworth. They might as well have just given Branch the frigin $$, I'd take him over Stallworthless in a heartbeat. They have dug their own hole and hoping Stallworth becomes a reliable #1 wr is a huge gamble. I'd rather gamble on a rookie than go with Stallworth. The rookie could break out and he could actually go after a ball in traffic , Stallworth most likely will be riding the pine come playoff time with his hammy issues. Aside from that he has no courage and won't fight for the ball. If you want a cowardly speed guy they are a dime a dozen in the draft. We might as well just resign Bethel Johnson. I think a lot of people's opinions on Stallworth are biased by his few fantasy breakout games. He's not that good.

 

[Pat Patriot]

As a Pats fan I'm praying we don't sign Stallworth

What WR that's available do you feel is better than Stallworth, or are you happy with the current crop of NE WRs?

Just because there isn't a bunch of stud free agent wr's out there doesn't mean you have to panic . Why sign a guy who has been as unreliable as Stallworth to a big $$, long term deal? What exactly has he proven aside from being able to catch a deep go route once in a while? He is soft as a grape, the injury concerns are hardly exaggerated. And he will not go over the middle and catch the ball in traffic. Add to that his substance issues and you have a whimpy, one trick pony who has tons of issues. I'm all for adding a wr but the Pats are taking a huge gamble on this guy if they give him a guranteed deal. If they want to sign him to a 1 year incentive filled deal then that's fine. The Pats have been trying to replace Branch by reaching for a guy like Chad Jackson and now they are reaching again with Stallworth. They might as well have just given Branch the frigin $$, I'd take him over Stallworthless in a heartbeat. They have dug their own hole and hoping Stallworth becomes a reliable #1 wr is a huge gamble. I'd rather gamble on a rookie than go with Stallworth. The rookie could break out and he could actually go after a ball in traffic , Stallworth most likely will be riding the pine come playoff time with his hammy issues. Aside from that he has no courage and won't fight for the ball. If you want a cowardly speed guy they are a dime a dozen in the draft. We might as well just resign Bethel Johnson. I think a lot of people's opinions on Stallworth are biased by his few fantasy breakout games. He's not that good.

I liked Deion Branch a great deal. He was a very clutch playoff performer. However, he missed more games than Stallworth has.A couple of points:1. The Pats did not reach for Chad Jackson. He was projected as a 1st rounder and slipped to the 2nd round. Most felt the Pats got very good value on that pick last year.2. Stallworth wont be around for the Playoffs? He had a pretty solid playoffs last year with Garcia as his QB. 6 catches for 142 yards and 2 TD's.3. Reaching for a WR to replace Branch?Branch +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 nwe | 13 | 2 0 0.0 0 | 43 489 11.4 2 || 2003 nwe | 15 | 1 11 11.0 0 | 57 803 14.1 3 || 2004 nwe | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 35 454 13.0 4 || 2005 nwe | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 78 998 12.8 5 || 2006 sea | 14 | 4 30 7.5 0 | 53 725 13.7 4 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 67 | 7 41 5.9 0 | 266 3469 13.0 18 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Stallworth +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 nor | 13 | 2 2 1.0 0 | 42 594 14.1 8 || 2003 nor | 11 | 1 3 3.0 0 | 25 485 19.4 3 || 2004 nor | 16 | 6 37 6.2 0 | 58 767 13.2 5 || 2005 nor | 16 | 2 2 1.0 0 | 70 945 13.5 7 || 2006 phi | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 38 725 19.1 5 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 68 | 11 44 4.0 0 | 233 3516 15.1 28 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+They have played the same amount of games and Branch has more catches, Stallworth has more yards and Stallworth has 10 more TD's.4. The offer to Stallworth is a lot less than Branch was looking for. The offer to Stallworth looks to be $5 million per year and Branch wanted $7 million per year.

 

[bigreese82]

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...453/1328/SPORTS

The Titans turnstile could start moving in the inbound direction today as the team meets with free agent cornerback Jamar Fletcher and free agent receiver Donte' Stallworth, a one-time Vols star.

Stallworth was scheduled to arrive in Nashville on Tuesday night after a visit with New England. He and Fletcher, a six-year veteran who had three interceptions for Detroit last season, plan to meet with team officials today at the Titans MetroCenter headquarters, The Tennessean has learned.

The Miami Dolphins drafted Fletcher, who has seven interceptions in a six-year career, 26th overall out of Wisconsin in 2001. He was traded to San Diego in March 2004 for receiver David Boston and a conditional sixth-round draft pick. Fletcher signed a one-year deal with Detroit in May 2006 and pulled in three interceptions in 13 games.

General Manager Mike Reinfeldt would not confirm that either player was on the team's docket, but acknowledged reports that said Stallworth was coming and talked a bit about the Titans' attraction.

"He has some big-play ability; there is no doubt about that," Reinfeldt said. "He was taken as the 13th player in the first round. That shows he had great speed, great quickness, those are the reasons teams take a guy that high."

Coach Jeff Fisher could not be reached for comment.

Indications are that Stallworth will consider two different routes regarding a contract.

If he can't get a four- or five-year package that comes with a signing bonus of about $12 million, he'll consider a one-year deal that will allow him to make a splash and head back into free agency in a year.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

As a Pats fan I'm praying we don't sign Stallworth

What WR that's available do you feel is better than Stallworth, or are you happy with the current crop of NE WRs?

Just because there isn't a bunch of stud free agent wr's out there doesn't mean you have to panic . Why sign a guy who has been as unreliable as Stallworth to a big $$, long term deal? What exactly has he proven aside from being able to catch a deep go route once in a while? He is soft as a grape, the injury concerns are hardly exaggerated. And he will not go over the middle and catch the ball in traffic. Add to that his substance issues and you have a whimpy, one trick pony who has tons of issues. I'm all for adding a wr but the Pats are taking a huge gamble on this guy if they give him a guranteed deal. If they want to sign him to a 1 year incentive filled deal then that's fine. The Pats have been trying to replace Branch by reaching for a guy like Chad Jackson and now they are reaching again with Stallworth. They might as well have just given Branch the frigin $$, I'd take him over Stallworthless in a heartbeat. They have dug their own hole and hoping Stallworth becomes a reliable #1 wr is a huge gamble. I'd rather gamble on a rookie than go with Stallworth. The rookie could break out and he could actually go after a ball in traffic , Stallworth most likely will be riding the pine come playoff time with his hammy issues. Aside from that he has no courage and won't fight for the ball. If you want a cowardly speed guy they are a dime a dozen in the draft. We might as well just resign Bethel Johnson. I think a lot of people's opinions on Stallworth are biased by his few fantasy breakout games. He's not that good.

I liked Deion Branch a great deal. He was a very clutch playoff performer. However, he missed more games than Stallworth has.A couple of points:1. The Pats did not reach for Chad Jackson. He was projected as a 1st rounder and slipped to the 2nd round. Most felt the Pats got very good value on that pick last year.2. Stallworth wont be around for the Playoffs? He had a pretty solid playoffs last year with Garcia as his QB. 6 catches for 142 yards and 2 TD's.3. Reaching for a WR to replace Branch?Branch +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 nwe | 13 | 2 0 0.0 0 | 43 489 11.4 2 || 2003 nwe | 15 | 1 11 11.0 0 | 57 803 14.1 3 || 2004 nwe | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 35 454 13.0 4 || 2005 nwe | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 78 998 12.8 5 || 2006 sea | 14 | 4 30 7.5 0 | 53 725 13.7 4 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 67 | 7 41 5.9 0 | 266 3469 13.0 18 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Stallworth +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2002 nor | 13 | 2 2 1.0 0 | 42 594 14.1 8 || 2003 nor | 11 | 1 3 3.0 0 | 25 485 19.4 3 || 2004 nor | 16 | 6 37 6.2 0 | 58 767 13.2 5 || 2005 nor | 16 | 2 2 1.0 0 | 70 945 13.5 7 || 2006 phi | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 38 725 19.1 5 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 68 | 11 44 4.0 0 | 233 3516 15.1 28 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+They have played the same amount of games and Branch has more catches, Stallworth has more yards and Stallworth has 10 more TD's.4. The offer to Stallworth is a lot less than Branch was looking for. The offer to Stallworth looks to be $5 million per year and Branch wanted $7 million per year.

extremely

 

[redman]

Wow, the historically tight-fisted Pats are sure throwing around some coin this offseason. First Adalius Thomas, then Welker and now Stallworth.

I guess that's what happens when Manning finally beats you.

I had been silently thinking this very thing for the past couple of days. I think they realized that last year's cut-rate roster wasn't going to win them any championships with the likes of Indy and San Diego in their conference, with Pittsburgh and Denver close behind, and with the upstart Jets in their division.

No offense, but weren't they a depleted secondary from the Superbowl? It wasn't a lack of spending, it was Harrison and Wilson and Gay, and Scott and Hawkins all being out and going to Rashad Baker and Ray Mickens, two guys they picked up halfway through the season, in November in fact, that cost them the game. It was just too much. Even with all that missing in the secondary, they still only lost the game by 4 points, and were the 2nd best team in the league. Why spend the money? Because they've made decisions in the past that allows them to, and there are players available that fit their needs. Adalius Thomas is a perfect fit for Belichick. And, he wants to play there. Why not sign him? It was the first place he visited, and he didn't want to go anyplace else. Why would you not sign the best free agent avalable that wants to play for you, at a contract that most agree is below what he could have gotten elsewhere? They're cutting ties w/ Patrick Pass, and filling his role with Sammy Morris, it's a virtual wash in salary. Wes Welker is another great fit. Isn't every team supposed to try and improve? They're making moves they make every year, with the exception of Thomas, and that hasn't been seen since the Colvin deal a few years back.

How does a cut-rate roster go 12-4 and lose in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs by only 4, on the road, if they're that far off? I could see that being a reason if they got rolled by the Jets in rd. 1, or if the secondary wasn't absolutely decimated by injury. The Pats (34) cut-rate roster scored more on Indy than the rest of the playoff teams combined in their other 3 games (Bears 17, Ravens 6, Chiefs 8-31 Total). That cut rate team was second best in the league, and they're doing what every other team is doing at this stage, trying to get better by filling holes. There just happens to be players they want available, so they're trying to get them.

I think you interpeted my post the wrong way. I'm not insulting them at all- Belichick runs a great program, and that's why they went 12-4. What I was referring to was the talent drain that they experienced last year, especially on offense. Those WR's were simply not impressive that they were playing with; not a playmaker among them. I agree injuries affected their defense, but what was the average age of their starting LB's? 33? You have to expect injuries to a group like that, and signing a guy like Seau won't help things. I think they're reloading with guys who can make plays in playoff games against teams like San Diego, Denver, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy because to Belichick's way of thinking 12-4 and an early playoff exit are simply not good enough.

 

[Warpig]

I know as an owner of Stallworth in a dynasty league i pray he stays with the Birds!!! NE is a fantasy death for w WR!!

Please don't sign with NE Donte...PUH-LEASE!I'm hoping they low-balled him (as they've been known to do) and he signs with the Eagles or Miami.

 

[zadok]

IMHO, Tenn. will be the best place for Stallworth fantasy-wise long term.

 

[Warpig]

IMHO, Tenn. will be the best place for Stallworth fantasy-wise long term.

Vince would rather run the ball instead of chuck it I think. He wants to be like Mike (Vick).

 

[Frank Black]

IMHO, Tenn. will be the best place for Stallworth fantasy-wise long term.

Vince would rather run the ball instead of chuck it I think. He wants to be like Mike (Vick).

 

[Pat Patriot]

Wow, the historically tight-fisted Pats are sure throwing around some coin this offseason. First Adalius Thomas, then Welker and now Stallworth.

I guess that's what happens when Manning finally beats you.

I had been silently thinking this very thing for the past couple of days. I think they realized that last year's cut-rate roster wasn't going to win them any championships with the likes of Indy and San Diego in their conference, with Pittsburgh and Denver close behind, and with the upstart Jets in their division.

No offense, but weren't they a depleted secondary from the Superbowl? It wasn't a lack of spending, it was Harrison and Wilson and Gay, and Scott and Hawkins all being out and going to Rashad Baker and Ray Mickens, two guys they picked up halfway through the season, in November in fact, that cost them the game. It was just too much. Even with all that missing in the secondary, they still only lost the game by 4 points, and were the 2nd best team in the league. Why spend the money? Because they've made decisions in the past that allows them to, and there are players available that fit their needs. Adalius Thomas is a perfect fit for Belichick. And, he wants to play there. Why not sign him? It was the first place he visited, and he didn't want to go anyplace else. Why would you not sign the best free agent avalable that wants to play for you, at a contract that most agree is below what he could have gotten elsewhere? They're cutting ties w/ Patrick Pass, and filling his role with Sammy Morris, it's a virtual wash in salary. Wes Welker is another great fit. Isn't every team supposed to try and improve? They're making moves they make every year, with the exception of Thomas, and that hasn't been seen since the Colvin deal a few years back.

How does a cut-rate roster go 12-4 and lose in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs by only 4, on the road, if they're that far off? I could see that being a reason if they got rolled by the Jets in rd. 1, or if the secondary wasn't absolutely decimated by injury. The Pats (34) cut-rate roster scored more on Indy than the rest of the playoff teams combined in their other 3 games (Bears 17, Ravens 6, Chiefs 8-31 Total). That cut rate team was second best in the league, and they're doing what every other team is doing at this stage, trying to get better by filling holes. There just happens to be players they want available, so they're trying to get them.

I think you interpeted my post the wrong way. I'm not insulting them at all- Belichick runs a great program, and that's why they went 12-4. What I was referring to was the talent drain that they experienced last year, especially on offense. Those WR's were simply not impressive that they were playing with; not a playmaker among them. I agree injuries affected their defense, but what was the average age of their starting LB's? 33? You have to expect injuries to a group like that, and signing a guy like Seau won't help things. I think they're reloading with guys who can make plays in playoff games against teams like San Diego, Denver, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy because to Belichick's way of thinking 12-4 and an early playoff exit are simply not good enough.

I know the standards for the Pats are set pretty high but if losing in the last seconds in the AFC Championship to the eventual champion is an early exit, I have a different interpretation of early exit.

 

[Snotbubbles]

For a team with Superbowl hopes, isn't anything short of making it to the Superbowl an "early exit"?

 

[The Shizzle]

This is when fantasy football blows. When people want players to go to a particular team just for fantasy reasons. I hope Stallworth goes to New England as a fan perspective, I could really care less about his fantasy value.

 

[PMENFAN]

Wow, the historically tight-fisted Pats are sure throwing around some coin this offseason. First Adalius Thomas, then Welker and now Stallworth.

I guess that's what happens when Manning finally beats you.

I had been silently thinking this very thing for the past couple of days. I think they realized that last year's cut-rate roster wasn't going to win them any championships with the likes of Indy and San Diego in their conference, with Pittsburgh and Denver close behind, and with the upstart Jets in their division.

No offense, but weren't they a depleted secondary from the Superbowl? It wasn't a lack of spending, it was Harrison and Wilson and Gay, and Scott and Hawkins all being out and going to Rashad Baker and Ray Mickens, two guys they picked up halfway through the season, in November in fact, that cost them the game. It was just too much. Even with all that missing in the secondary, they still only lost the game by 4 points, and were the 2nd best team in the league. Why spend the money? Because they've made decisions in the past that allows them to, and there are players available that fit their needs. Adalius Thomas is a perfect fit for Belichick. And, he wants to play there. Why not sign him? It was the first place he visited, and he didn't want to go anyplace else. Why would you not sign the best free agent avalable that wants to play for you, at a contract that most agree is below what he could have gotten elsewhere? They're cutting ties w/ Patrick Pass, and filling his role with Sammy Morris, it's a virtual wash in salary. Wes Welker is another great fit. Isn't every team supposed to try and improve? They're making moves they make every year, with the exception of Thomas, and that hasn't been seen since the Colvin deal a few years back.

How does a cut-rate roster go 12-4 and lose in the playoffs to the eventual SB champs by only 4, on the road, if they're that far off? I could see that being a reason if they got rolled by the Jets in rd. 1, or if the secondary wasn't absolutely decimated by injury. The Pats (34) cut-rate roster scored more on Indy than the rest of the playoff teams combined in their other 3 games (Bears 17, Ravens 6, Chiefs 8-31 Total). That cut rate team was second best in the league, and they're doing what every other team is doing at this stage, trying to get better by filling holes. There just happens to be players they want available, so they're trying to get them.

I think you interpeted my post the wrong way. I'm not insulting them at all- Belichick runs a great program, and that's why they went 12-4. What I was referring to was the talent drain that they experienced last year, especially on offense. Those WR's were simply not impressive that they were playing with; not a playmaker among them. I agree injuries affected their defense, but what was the average age of their starting LB's? 33? You have to expect injuries to a group like that, and signing a guy like Seau won't help things. I think they're reloading with guys who can make plays in playoff games against teams like San Diego, Denver, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Indy because to Belichick's way of thinking 12-4 and an early playoff exit are simply not good enough.

I know the standards for the Pats are set pretty high but if losing in the last seconds in the AFC Championship to the eventual champion is an early exit, I have a different interpretation of early exit.

That's my thought tooo. I don't like losing there, but I don't consider it a bad season. Would I rather have won? Sure, but all things considered, I think it was a pretty good year. As for the offensive talent drain last year, I just didn't see it. Losing Branch was the only thing, and to me it wasn't as big as so many other people try to make it out to be. At 4.5 million a year, they keep him. At the deal SEattle gave him, he wasn't worth it, and SEattle will see that. Consider, they had him, and still couldn't get by a Bears team, even with all their talen from a SB team from the year before, and he was supposed to be the guy to put them over the top. The Pats offense wasn't the problem.

I agree they needed to address the aging linebackers, and they have. I'm hoping they draft Patrick Willis as well.

As for this post. I"m not crazy about Stallworth, but he gives them a physical body that can also go deep. Would I rather see Dwayne Jarrett fall? How about a worse case, Jarrett and Willis are both sitting there at 24. Who do you take? I say Willis, because they can make due with the receivers they have, and develop Willis for the future. Stallworth has many, many ????? The Drugs, and pending suspensions. I honestly think he'll sign elsewhere, but I can't discount him if he comes there. He's a talent in the league, and he'd be an upgrade over anybody on the roster today.

 

[Davej626]

For a team with Superbowl hopes, isn't anything short of making it to the Superbowl an "early exit"?

This from a Philly fan. Now that is funny!