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David Yudkin

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Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.

Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?

 
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Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
It does hurt them, but I don't think the Ravens can beat them. I don't think they are very good.
 
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Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
Ouch. Ravens have a pretty good chance to win, with a strong running game, and tough defense. They will need to get in Brady's face on D, and run the ball well to control the clock to keep NE offense off the field.
 
Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
Not as much as I think a lot will think, Edelman's adequate filler. Baltimore's offense is starting to click and the Pats defense is not good and getting worse. Me thinks Tom Terrific is going to need to pull some of his playoff magic to win this one, given his current health I'm betting on the Rat Birds 27-20
 
Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
It does hurt them, but I don't think the Ravens can beat them. I don't think they are very good.
21-27 earlier in the year, NE won. Ravens are a better team now than they were then IMO. :unsure:
 
Pats should win this easy. I just hope they get the Colts in two weeks. That way, they're pretty much guaranteed a place in the AFCC game.

 
While Chase and I have debated the merits and worth of the following, NE has won 23 straight at home with Brady at QB. They are also 8-0 in the post season in Foxoboro with Brady.

 
David Yudkin said:
While Chase and I have debated the merits and worth of the following, NE has won 23 straight at home with Brady at QB. They are also 8-0 in the post season in Foxoboro with Brady.
Nothing lasts forever...
 
This should be one of the premier games of the Wild Card weekend IMO. This and the Philly/Dal rematch. I really like the Ravens chances in this game because of their power running game and the growth of Oher throughout the season. Brady was still working off the rust in the previous week 4 match-up though, so he should be more in sync. The loss of Welker makes a minimal to no difference. Teams never game plan to stop him, they game plan to stop Moss and he is generally a product of the system IMO. Edelman will produce adequately as a replacement. I think it will be a tight game that comes down to the wire but I'll have to go with the home team, NE. I think Brady is able to make enough plays to make up for the weak NE D.

NE 31, Balt 27

 
switz said:
Your Mom said:
David Yudkin said:
Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
It does hurt them, but I don't think the Ravens can beat them. I don't think they are very good.
21-27 earlier in the year, NE won. Ravens are a better team now than they were then IMO. :rolleyes:
That's your opinion. I don't think Baltimore will win this game because IMO they aren't very good.
 
David Yudkin said:
While Chase and I have debated the merits and worth of the following, NE has won 23 straight at home with Brady at QB. They are also 8-0 in the post season in Foxoboro with Brady.
So you're saying they're due to lose? :rolleyes:
 
Ratbirds are 1-6 this season against this year's playoff teams. They're a tough out but have been unable make the big play at the end necessary to get over the hump.

That being said, if they protect Flacco better than they did today, the offense can hurt you from a lot of different places and they're still tough defensively against the run. But the secondary remains vulnerable, which is not encouraging against Brady and Moss.

 
I have my doubts about the Ravens passing game against BBs D. Pats easily win a shootout so they will probably try and score early while Ravens try and slow it down.

 
David Yudkin said:
Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
They'll have the Wr's to beat Baltimore at home. Baltimore isn't that good in terms of the elite in the NFL and I expect New England to win 27-20.
 
As a Pats fan, no game is a given. Therefore, I hope the Patriots, win by 3 points or more.

If the Ravens win, it would not surprise me. The Patriots Defense is not as good as their statistics indicate.

 
Magic_Man said:
Everyone writing the Ravens off is going to get a rude awakening when they beat the Pats.24-21
Or not, but thanks for playing.
Sorry, didn't realize you knew everything & no one else could have an opinion/make a prediction. :thumbup:
He's a Pat's fan. They are a holier-than-thou self righteous entitled group of fans. The 2007 super bowl was proof justice still exists in the world.
 
As a Pats fan, no game is a given. Therefore, I hope the Patriots, win by 3 points or more.

If the Ravens win, it would not surprise me. The Patriots Defense is not as good as their statistics indicate.
Th Ravens defense isn't that good either. On a neutral field I would say it is a toss-up. Since the game is at New England I think the Pats win by 3.
 
Frankly I'm looking forward to seeing two of my least favorite (but well respected) rivals go at eachother...may it be a hard-hitting bloodbath.

:goodposting:

 
MAC_32 said:
David Yudkin said:
Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
Not as much as I think a lot will think, Edelman's adequate filler.
Based on his skill + scheme in NE Welker is a unique player, "adequate filler" is one thing but their offense just lost one of its key guys. You're not going to look to Edelman to convert 3rd downs the way Welker can.I still think they win this week though.
 
John Clayton this morning at ESPN.com: "According to ESPN Stats & Information, Brady is a 68 percent passer this year with 8.3 yards per attempt when Welker is in the game. Without him, he completes 58.3 percent of his passes with 5.9 yards per attempt."

I'm sure there's more to this stat than meets the eye (for example, just how often and in what situations is Welker not in there?) but those are interesting numbers.

 
switz said:
Your Mom said:
David Yudkin said:
Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
It does hurt them, but I don't think the Ravens can beat them. I don't think they are very good.
21-27 earlier in the year, NE won. Ravens are a better team now than they were then IMO. :lmao:
Short memory. Back when they played earlier in the year, the Ravens were topping many Power Rankings. Now not so much. I think it will be a very tough game for both teams and will come down to how good of an offensive game plan the Pats coaching staff can put together sans Welker. But their defense (which isn't as bad as it looked in NO or the 4th Q vs. Indy) matches up well with the Ravens and if Wilfork is back, they are good at stopping the run, which is Balto's offensive strength.But I watched the Ravens-Raiders game with a keen eye, and the Ravens simply did not look that great in any phase. Frye was moving the ball with ease, and after that so was JaMarcus. So .....
 
John Clayton this morning at ESPN.com: "According to ESPN Stats & Information, Brady is a 68 percent passer this year with 8.3 yards per attempt when Welker is in the game. Without him, he completes 58.3 percent of his passes with 5.9 yards per attempt."

I'm sure there's more to this stat than meets the eye (for example, just how often and in what situations is Welker not in there?) but those are interesting numbers.
That stat could just as easily read "58.3% passer the first two games coming off major knee injury." But yes, obviously Welker will be missed. The hidden headeline though is the 3rd WR. Edelman can move into Welker spot without a HUGE dropoff, but now the Pats have serious problems at #3 WR as Sam Aiken got hurt at the end of the game tackling (drumroll) Bernard Pollard.
 
John Clayton this morning at ESPN.com: "According to ESPN Stats & Information, Brady is a 68 percent passer this year with 8.3 yards per attempt when Welker is in the game. Without him, he completes 58.3 percent of his passes with 5.9 yards per attempt."

I'm sure there's more to this stat than meets the eye (for example, just how often and in what situations is Welker not in there?) but those are interesting numbers.
That stat could just as easily read "58.3% passer the first two games coming off major knee injury." But yes, obviously Welker will be missed. The hidden headeline though is the 3rd WR. Edelman can move into Welker spot without a HUGE dropoff, but now the Pats have serious problems at #3 WR as Sam Aiken got hurt at the end of the game tackling (drumroll) Bernard Pollard.
Interesting stat. I definitely agree that Welker makes a big difference, but apart from those missed games being very early in the season when Brady was still finding his footing, the team as a whole was still figuring things out, and they still had hope for the ill-fated Galloway experiment. That was brutal.
 
Wow, people are really underestimating Welker here.
Edelman had games of 8-98 and 10-103 when Welker was out, so it's not like they will lose 100 yards a game in their passing totals each week. NE will get others to contribute instead of Welker. IMO, the issue will be whether Edelman can make the catches at the same key points in the game as Welker has been able to do time and time again.Not having Welker will be a big blow, but as many have mentioned already NE will go as far as their defense will take them in the post season.In a bizarre way, having Welker out could actually rekindle the concept of spreading the ball around and force them to run more as well. Getting Faulk and Watson more involved in the passing game and using all the backs they have that are finally healthy should make them more balanced and perhaps less predictable.
 
I like the Ravens. I think they can run the ball more consistently and I think that their D will shut down Brady enough that they win this one by 3.

 
switz said:
Your Mom said:
David Yudkin said:
Looks like the Pats will face the Ravens no matter what happens tonight, as the Pats will be the #3 seed and the Ravens the #6 seed -OR- the Pats will be the #4 seed and the Ravens the #5 seed. So either way they will face Baltimore.Will Welker now out of the picture, how does that impact next week's game?
It does hurt them, but I don't think the Ravens can beat them. I don't think they are very good.
21-27 earlier in the year, NE won. Ravens are a better team now than they were then IMO. :confused:
Short memory. Back when they played earlier in the year, the Ravens were topping many Power Rankings. Now not so much. I think it will be a very tough game for both teams and will come down to how good of an offensive game plan the Pats coaching staff can put together sans Welker. But their defense (which isn't as bad as it looked in NO or the 4th Q vs. Indy) matches up well with the Ravens and if Wilfork is back, they are good at stopping the run, which is Balto's offensive strength.But I watched the Ravens-Raiders game with a keen eye, and the Ravens simply did not look that great in any phase. Frye was moving the ball with ease, and after that so was JaMarcus. So .....
I think it's accurate to say that Baltimore played its best ball in September, though there have been flashes in the interim. The run defense is still pretty stout but the secondary remains below average and lately there have been disturbing breakdowns in the blitz protection. That's a lot to correct in a short amount of time.
 
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Wow, people are really underestimating Welker here.
:shrug: I definitely think there's a different rhythm to their offense when Welker is in, and losing him is a huge blow. However, I also feel they have enough talent to survive his absence. It will be tougher (probably more along the lines of the 2006 :eek: Caldwell/Gaffney-led passing attack than the 2007 one) but I wouldn't count them out.
 
I would not be at all surprised if the Pats lose.

Brady is playing with a broken finger.

They just lost a huge part of their offense.

They have been very erratic all year.

The RB situation is confused and their nearest thing to a lead back - Maroney - is in the doghouse.

Meanwhile the Ravens have been really pounding it of late. They have a two-headed monster in Rice and McGahee. The Pats D has been vulnerable to the run.

Should be close but I think the Ravens could easily win this one.

 
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