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PBS Frontline : The Retirement Gamble, sorta Must See (2 Viewers)

Pension makes a world of difference!

what is not clear to me is how inflation is captured in your math. If you are assuming 5% real growth (vs nominal) I would advise that you are being too aggressive. 

To replace $80k of today's dollars in 20 years you likely need $120k or so

just something to keep in mind. Calculators are great but I would encourage you to build a spreadsheet and scenario model.

Vary inflation (between 1 and 4 is a good range http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/ ) 

vary nominal return (between 2 and 6 is a good range)

and consider varying your savings as a percentage (13% is on the low side for early retirement) 
I just checked out the tool, says it includes an estimated 3%inflation rate. 

If we just invest like we have been, once we add social security and use 4.5% return, the calculator says we'll have 110% of our current income in retirement. :thumbup:

 
Changing jobs after a million years.  What do I do with my 403b?  Obviously I'll start a new 403b with my new company, but what do I do with the scrilla from my old job?  I assumed I would just roll it over somehow to my new company but a friend said I should set up a new IRA with it.  We're talking medium $ here, let's call it more than $200k and less than $500k all in bonds and mutual funds.  Thoughts appreciated  

 
Changing jobs after a million years.  What do I do with my 403b?  Obviously I'll start a new 403b with my new company, but what do I do with the scrilla from my old job?  I assumed I would just roll it over somehow to my new company but a friend said I should set up a new IRA with it.  We're talking medium $ here, let's call it more than $200k and less than $500k all in bonds and mutual funds.  Thoughts appreciated  
in general you should always roll over to an ira.  If you move it to new 403b your choices of investments will be limited by new plan.  In ira you can choose anything you like.

 
I assume every one reading this thread likely knows this but just in case:

For all of you hoping to retire early (say 50 or earlier),  don't forget you may have to make some investment changes in your taxable accounts.  

Unless you are starting off early retirement with a large cash infusion, you are going to need a way to generate income.  If you don't have real estate kicking off revenue, you may need to look into converting some of your non taxable holding into bonds (or similar income generating investments) so that you can create an income stream to live off of.
Can also go with a 72t distribution from your 401k

 
I was talking to the guy who manages the healthcare for our company. He is the most knowledgable guy about healthcare that I've ever met. I asked him what the best options for retirement healthcare are and he suggested starting a company and hiring one employee (it can be ANY company and ANY employee - he suggested just hiring one of your kids and paying them a tiny salary). Doing this allows you to qualify for group health coverage rates which are much more competitive than individual rates.

Anyway, it was a brief conversation and I wasn't able to get much more info, but maybe there's someone in here who can expound upon that.
Just off the top of my head, I would think that the combination of taxes, filing fees, etc etc (all expenses of running a business with an employee) would be too much to offset the healthcare savings. But I'm sure the answer will vary greatly depending on your state.

 
Changing jobs after a million years.  What do I do with my 403b?  Obviously I'll start a new 403b with my new company, but what do I do with the scrilla from my old job?  I assumed I would just roll it over somehow to my new company but a friend said I should set up a new IRA with it.  We're talking medium $ here, let's call it more than $200k and less than $500k all in bonds and mutual funds.  Thoughts appreciated  
Never, ever, ever roll over a 401/403 from an old job to a new one. Being restricted on your investment options as NR mentions is bad enough, but even if you like the funds, the fees on the average 403(b) plan are the real killer. My wife's plan's administrator charges ~1.25% annually, literally five times as much as the virtually identical Vanguard mutual funds that sit in my rollover IRA.

Any bank or brokerage, from Fidelity down to your regional bank, can walk you through the IRA rollover process and forms. It'll be the best 20 minutes you spend this tax year.

 
Never, ever, ever roll over a 401/403 from an old job to a new one. Being restricted on your investment options as NR mentions is bad enough, but even if you like the funds, the fees on the average 403(b) plan are the real killer. My wife's plan's administrator charges ~1.25% annually, literally five times as much as the virtually identical Vanguard mutual funds that sit in my rollover IRA.

Any bank or brokerage, from Fidelity down to your regional bank, can walk you through the IRA rollover process and forms. It'll be the best 20 minutes you spend this tax year.
Thanks guys.  This kind of info is one of the reason I frequent this bored.   :thumbup:

 
Don't you think at some point in time the substantial pension and healthcare buying of government employees will have to begin to model what's available to the rest of society?  I'd bet that when these perks were established most private workers still received pensions and healthcare cost were no where near as huge an issue.  The disparity in salary between the public and private sector was such that the public benefits made the careers more equal.  Now I think that the salary gap is not as large between applicable types of jobs, and the benefits are worth so much that soon everyone will seek employment from the government.  This does not seem ideal to me.
Um, wat? So much wrong with this post I won't even bother. 

 
Anyone consider not paying for healthcare?  What would that mean?  You'd have to pay the penalty. Any occasional office visit would come out of pocket.  If you need something major, couldn't you sign up for insurance at that time?

 
Anyone consider not paying for healthcare?  What would that mean?  You'd have to pay the penalty. Any occasional office visit would come out of pocket.  If you need something major, couldn't you sign up for insurance at that time?
before you can receive benefits, most insurance companies make you go through paperwork and a check up to make sure you don't enter the plan with a huge expense already expected.

 
Anyone consider not paying for healthcare?  What would that mean?  You'd have to pay the penalty. Any occasional office visit would come out of pocket.  If you need something major, couldn't you sign up for insurance at that time?
Well yes if you don't die between the time you need something major and the next open enrollment period.

If you go without, this thread title is appropriate....the retirement gamble.

 
before you can receive benefits, most insurance companies make you go through paperwork and a check up to make sure you don't enter the plan with a huge expense already expected.
Nope.  They are required to take you and pay benefits from day one.

 
So they can deny you in that case?
It has gotten complicated.  In the past couple of years Obama care added in a rule to protect against this happening but there are still some holes in it depending upon how you get your plan.

My recommendation would be if intend to use this idea, that you fully research your states plans and make sure the coverage you need you can get in case of an emergency.

 
Well yes if you don't die between the time you need something major and the next open enrollment period.

If you go without, this thread title is appropriate....the retirement gamble.
Ah, open enrollment.  How often is that?  Hypothetically speaking, let's say your doc says you need this procedure asap and you don't have insurance.  What are your options?  Emergency room?

 
It has gotten complicated.  In the past couple of years Obama care added in a rule to protect against this happening but there are still some holes in it depending upon how you get your plan.

My recommendation would be if intend to use this idea, that you fully research your states plans and make sure the coverage you need you can get in case of an emergency.
I'm 15 years out.  Just throwing it out for the sake of discussion.  

 
Nope.  They are required to take you and pay benefits from day one.
I am far from an expert on the fine print but don't these companies have what they term a Pre Existing Condition Exclusion Period which protect them against very recent conditions trying to be covered by force?  I think all companies are required to cover any condition older than 6 months but I have read they have wiggle room under that period.  

I may be misunderstanding the terminology though.

 
So if I understand it correctly, I can use my own health insurance as the primary before 65 but then Medicad takes over as the primary. Then any health insurance you have becomes a secondary/compliment to Medicad. I can't say I understand this stuff all that well so since we are discussing, maybe someone can explain how it works. 

 
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So if I understand it correctly, I can use my own health insurance as the primary before 65 but then Medicad takes over as the primary. Then any health insurance you have becomes a secondary/compliment to Medicad. I can't say I understand this stuff all that we'll do since we are discussing, maybe someone can explain how it works. 
I don't understand it well either but I can tell you what you described above is exactly what my parents have.  Medicare plus a compliment to get full coverage.

 
I don't even know the correct vernacular.  I'm at least 12+ years out and understand enough to know I'm covered, but not much more than that. You'd think I'd pay attention to my parents pretty much only talking about this stuff when I call them, but I ignore all of it. :mellow:  

 
I just checked out the tool, says it includes an estimated 3%inflation rate. 

If we just invest like we have been, once we add social security and use 4.5% return, the calculator says we'll have 110% of our current income in retirement. :thumbup:
Trying to remember...you weren't planning on retiring early, right?

Just to be certain, anyone retiring early needs to leave out SS, at least for those early retirement years

 
I don't understand it well either but I can tell you what you described above is exactly what my parents have.  Medicare plus a compliment to get full coverage.
I should add that since I do my parents bills, I know what the supplement costs them.   They each pay $154 per month, so roughly about $3700 a year to get them both great coverage (from what I can see doing the bills).

 
I should add that since I do my parents bills, I know what the supplement costs them.   They each pay $154 per month, so roughly about $3700 a year to get them both great coverage (from what I can see doing the bills).
Does the supplement pick up their copays or is that additional out of pocket?

 
Was thinking more for the drugs I'll need.  So that $3700 is for the both of them?  So we're talking like $2k out of pocket once you hit 65.  Not too shabby.   
$154 a month each.

Co-pays I think are different from prescription services (but again I have really no idea about this stuff).  I think their plan calls for generic prescriptions to be covered in full.  My dad takes a bunch of pills and I have never seen a bill for any of them.

 
Trying to remember...you weren't planning on retiring early, right?

Just to be certain, anyone retiring early needs to leave out SS, at least for those early retirement years
Sort of - retire from the army this spring, plan to retire from the next job around 60/62.  

 
Ah, open enrollment.  How often is that?  Hypothetically speaking, let's say your doc says you need this procedure asap and you don't have insurance.  What are your options?  Emergency room?
Once a year for coverage to begin between Jan 1 and Mar 15 as I recall.  There are exemptions for life status changes.  Simplest would be to move to a different state or job change.

Emergency room and then they come after your retirement nest egg and assets if you don't pay.

 
I am far from an expert on the fine print but don't these companies have what they term a Pre Existing Condition Exclusion Period which protect them against very recent conditions trying to be covered by force?  I think all companies are required to cover any condition older than 6 months but I have read they have wiggle room under that period.  

I may be misunderstanding the terminology though.
My understanding is that if I break my leg today, if I enroll today for coverage effective January 15th, I'll can get treated on January 15th.  Works great for cancer and pregnancy, not so good for a heart attack or getting shot.

 
My understanding is that if I break my leg today, if I enroll today for coverage effective January 15th, I'll can get treated on January 15th.  Works great for cancer and pregnancy, not so good for a heart attack or getting shot.


I am pretty sure that pregnancy is one of the few  items that the Pre Existing Condition Exclusion Period can not exclude.  Here is one of many definitions:

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A health insurance benefit provision that places limits on benefits or excludes benefits for a period of time due to a medical condition that the policyholder had prior to enrolling in a health plan. Pre-existing condition exclusion periods are regulated policy features, meaning that the insurer is likely to have an upper limit as to the amount of time the exclusion period should last.

A pre-existing condition exclusion period limits the amount of benefits that an insurer has to provide for specific medical conditions, and does not apply to medical benefits afforded by a health insurance policy for other types of care.

 

 
I am pretty sure that pregnancy is one of the few  items that the Pre Existing Condition Exclusion Period can not exclude.  Here is one of many definitions:

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A health insurance benefit provision that places limits on benefits or excludes benefits for a period of time due to a medical condition that the policyholder had prior to enrolling in a health plan. Pre-existing condition exclusion periods are regulated policy features, meaning that the insurer is likely to have an upper limit as to the amount of time the exclusion period should last.

A pre-existing condition exclusion period limits the amount of benefits that an insurer has to provide for specific medical conditions, and does not apply to medical benefits afforded by a health insurance policy for other types of care.

 
From this link, doesn't sound like that pertains to obamacare.

 
I am pretty sure that pregnancy is one of the few  items that the Pre Existing Condition Exclusion Period can not exclude.  Here is one of many definitions:

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A health insurance benefit provision that places limits on benefits or excludes benefits for a period of time due to a medical condition that the policyholder had prior to enrolling in a health plan. Pre-existing condition exclusion periods are regulated policy features, meaning that the insurer is likely to have an upper limit as to the amount of time the exclusion period should last.

A pre-existing condition exclusion period limits the amount of benefits that an insurer has to provide for specific medical conditions, and does not apply to medical benefits afforded by a health insurance policy for other types of care.

 
That might be a group plan, but most early retirees would be looking at an ACA market plan, assuming any exist that could be purchase at that time.

 
Once you qualify for Medicare, it covers 80% of all your services and any other insurance you have becomes subservient to it.  Almost everyone carries a secondary insurance because even 20% of healthcare bills can cripple an income.

 
I pay $8 for almost all prescriptions as a disabled vet.  I don't want to encourage anyone to join the military, go to war, get hurt, and become a disabled vet who gets prescriptions for $8 but...

;)

 
Once you qualify for Medicare, it covers 80% of all your services and any other insurance you have becomes subservient to it.  Almost everyone carries a secondary insurance because even 20% of healthcare bills can cripple an income.
It's about 60%of the Medicare population with a secondary policy. Most of these policies cover all prescription co-pays but there are bare bones cheap secondary plans that still have you paying for some of the drug costs. 

 
Once you qualify for Medicare, it covers 80% of all your services and any other insurance you have becomes subservient to it.  Almost everyone carries a secondary insurance because even 20% of healthcare bills can cripple an income.
The secondary policies seem pretty cheap as well and medicare being cheap in general, you're really only looking at like 4 or 5 grand in premiums.

 
Humor me and enlighten me please.  




Um, wat? So much wrong with this post I won't even bother. 
Yeah, humor me too. What was wrong with his post? The bennies were so superior that I did leave the private sector for the govt job. Cash payout for all sick time not used, really great cheap insurance,1/2 health care paid for in retirement, pension. When you factor in all the bennies that you don't know even exist because it sounds so ridiculous, it's a no brainer. Yeah most private sector employees have no idea what is available in the public sector.

 
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Having to account for those obscene healthcare costs is mind bottling :loco:
Like I said earlier, most people have no idea what they are doing when they are planning early retirement. Ex. a supervisor filed for retirement after 30 years. She failed miserably. She stupidly converted the pension to a 401K (that was the dumbest thing ever) and blew the cash. Yeah, she is now back working elsewhere (now in private sector) and working harder than if she had stayed where she was.

 
Humor me and enlighten me please.  
Well, for one I'm a engineering supervisor and I make about 40k less than what my equivalent makes in private.  Hell that doesn't even account for oil jobs.  So saying there is no pay gap is bs.  As a supervisor it is  impossible to hire qualified experienced engineers.  I've hired 10 people in three years and only one had 2+ years experience with the rest fresh out of college.  And the reason is because I can't compete salary wise for experienced engineers.  You make it worse by stripping some of the benefits you might as well forget about the dod having any engineers.

We've had this discussion numerous times in other threads.  I'm not going to talk about it further in this one as it's off topic.

 
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Humor me and enlighten me please.  
Your post is correct. I did what you are referring to over a decade ago. We recently  did a salary survey, which did not factor our pensions into the equation and now I make almost the same as someone in the private sector who has nothing close to the bennies I have.

 
So you have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes I do, but this is not the space for it.  If @James Daulton wants to start his own thread then fine.

I saw your edited post, I understand what you are saying but there are literally thousands of variables. What Daulton said was uninformed and unreasonable, it's the same crap people like Jonessed want to proliferate to hate on the contributions of government employees.  I am more educated, experienced, and competent than most of my private sector counterparts.  And what I do is particular to government, although I could make more $$$ working at Halliburton or an NSA contractor. 

 

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