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Percent Chance You Think Trump Will Be Impeached? Removed? 12.2.19 (1 Viewer)

What Percent Chance Do You Think President Trump Will Be Removed?

  • 91-100% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 2 1.3%
  • 81-90% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 71-80% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 61-70% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 51-60% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • 41-50% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 6 4.0%
  • 31-40% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 3 2.0%
  • 21-30% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 7 4.7%
  • 11-20% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 16 10.7%
  • 0-10% He Will Be Removed

    Votes: 115 76.7%

  • Total voters
    150
I think it badly damages the entire argument when a list is presented and some of the things listed are wrong. And it has nothing to do with anything that can't be refuted.

That's just how things work. 

If I'm looking at a "Top 10 BBQ Restaurants In The US" list and 2 of the spots listed I know are awful, I discount the entire list and the author of the list loses my trust. I think it's how lists work. :shrug:  

The reality is the author hurt himself. For no other reason than being sloppy. They could have made a much stronger argument cleaning up the list. But when the list is clearly wrong, people lost faith in the entire list. Be it football or politics or movies or whatever. 
I can see what you are saying...but I disagree with the list above being the same as an author's opinion on BBQ.

 
Maybe not all his...but he has pushed it further than anyone...to the point that people believe his lies before believing those entities.  And no, its not those entities fault.
No, he really hasn't.  people have been extremely skeptical of media for a long time.  Doubly so for intelligence gathering agencies.  And yes, there are very obvious and legitimate reasons for both that are absolutely those entities fault.  Not everything wrong with this country started with Trumps election.

 
No, he really hasn't.  people have been extremely skeptical of media for a long time.  Doubly so for intelligence gathering agencies.  And yes, there are very obvious and legitimate reasons for both that are absolutely those entities fault.  Not everything wrong with this country started with Trumps election.
He really hasn't?  

He has pushed that the intelligence community is out to get him.

He has pushed that some of the media are the enemy of the people.

In what way are those not pushed further than others before him?

Skeptical and completely unbelieving of anything critical because Trump calls it fake are completely different things.  I didn't say it started with his election...but it has gotten measurable worse.

 
I voted 90%+ for impeachment and <10% for removal, but really feel that the likelihoods are near 100% and near 0% for each respectively.  And frankly I don't understand how anyone can be voting for less than 90% in the first category.  The evidence is there AND the House wouldn't have conducted these public hearings if they weren't all-in on voting to impeach.  In fact, I think the Dems will get slaughtered by their own if they DON'T vote to impeach.

As for people called cynical...I prefer "realistic."  The GOP isn't budging until their base moves, and their base isn't budging until they hear something different from someone they trust, and as soon as the base does hear something different from someone they trust, well then they no longer trust that person/institution.  So, do you see where I'm going here?  It's a bit of a catch-22...or maybe prisoner's dilemma is the more apt description.  Except in this case, any prisoner who talks is assumed to be lying. 

Great country we have here...be a shame if something bad happened to it.

 
I think it badly damages the entire argument when a list is presented and some of the things listed are wrong. And it has nothing to do with anything that can't be refuted.

That's just how things work. 

If I'm looking at a "Top 10 BBQ Restaurants In The US" list and 2 of the spots listed I know are awful, I discount the entire list and the author of the list loses my trust. I think it's how lists work. :shrug:  

The reality is the author hurt himself. For no other reason than being sloppy. They could have made a much stronger argument cleaning up the list. But when the list is clearly wrong, people lost faith in the entire list. Be it football or politics or movies or whatever. 
Comparing one man's attempt at a comprehensive list of disturbing stuff a president has done to a top 10 list of BBQ restaurants is pretty insulting.

For one, a comprehensive list includes everything. Burger King would be listed in a comprehensive list of burger joints. Would you write off that list because you don't consider BK a reputable burger spot? Of course not, because it's a comprehensive list. If this list of 40+ accidentally included one or two non-burger joints would you feel safe writing off ALL the restaurants on the list as non-burger joints? I sure hope not. Is it a little annoying and inconvenient? Yes, but it doesn't make the list useless. It still has utility and valid restaurants for you to choose from. 

Two, even if it was a top 10 opinion piece, these are facts. They happened. They can be verified. We can all use our brains to determine if at least one of these is worthy of impeachment. Saying "this one fact is vague, so we can safely throw out ALL the facts" fits the definition of asinine. It actually works the OPPOSITE of that. If 43 of them were vague or wrong or whatever, but only a single one was true, THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO IMPEACH. 

Three, it might help to think of this as a trial instead of a top 10 (or top 44) restaurant opinion piece. In a trial when multiple charges are brought, do all of them get dismissed when one is dismissed? Last I checked, no. You throw the book at them and try to get as many to stick as possible. To me, this would be a more apt comparison than a top 10 BBQ opinion piece.

Apologies for the thread necromancy, but I got a month off for calling out the "a couple points are weak, so all the points should be discredited" assertion as asinine. I was in the process of replying to this when I got it.

It's bad enough we live in a time when people will fabricate weak excuses for reprehensible actions of a clearly corrupt, self-serving president, so we don't need any sort of community leaders (including forum mods) giving any credence to these weak and/or bad faith arguments. We need a unified front clearly stating what's going on is not acceptable. And when I say "we" I don't mean any political party (I don't consider myself a Democrat), but merely people who value a functional democracy with some semblance of integrity.

 
Comparing one man's attempt at a comprehensive list of disturbing stuff a president has done to a top 10 list of BBQ restaurants is pretty insulting.
I think it hurts the credibility of an author when they present a list and some of the things listed are wrong. And it has nothing to do with anything that can't be refuted. :shrug:  

That's radically different of course than a trial where it only takes one charge to convict. You can switch the conversation to trials if you like. But I don't think you'll get any argument. My comment was about an author writing an article. Credibility is interesting that way. 

As a rule, try to avoid calling each other's posts asinine here. The moderators will thank you for it. I know that's tame for how the internet works but we're trying to do things differently here. 

 
I think it hurts the credibility of an author when they present a list and some of the things listed are wrong. And it has nothing to do with anything that can't be refuted. :shrug:  

That's radically different of course than a trial where it only takes one charge to convict. You can switch the conversation to trials if you like. But I don't think you'll get any argument. My comment was about an author writing an article. Credibility is interesting that way. 

As a rule, try to avoid calling each other's posts asinine here. The moderators will thank you for it. I know that's tame for how the internet works but we're trying to do things differently here. 
IIRC, nothing in that list was explicitly wrong. Everything was true, but the trump supporter thought a couple of the items in the list were not strong enough to impeach, thus the whole list was somehow discredited. 

And this wasn't some article written by an author of a publication. It came from a series of tweets designed as a list of offenses, as a reference/reminder of sorts. So I don't see it as the least bit analogous to an opinion piece on restaurants, because it's not his opinion these things happened. He's just reminding us of known facts.

Funny enough, one of the two tweets the poster took issue with ("not even close to impeachable") dealt with a violation of the emoluments clause, which I thought WAS an impeachable offense.

Anyway, thanks for the response. For your trouble, here's a funny video of trump predicting the future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdBPP7nMfI

 
I think a new poll question should be added: what is the chance that there will be witnesses? Right now I think it's pretty low.

 

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