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Couldn't have happenned to a nicer team.

Dolphin fans get one gift after a miserable season.

Thank you Giants.

 
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.

To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.

What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.

 
Not everyone is arguing that the 1972 Dolphins were the greatest team ever. Some of us are simply saying they are the only team to go undefeated through a whole NFL season and win the Super Bowl.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.
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The 85 Bears and the 84 49ers both went 18-1. However, the Patriots are the only 18-1 team without rings to show for it.
 
Rev. Jim said:
Not everyone is arguing that the 1972 Dolphins were the greatest team ever. Some of us are simply saying they are the only team to go undefeated through a whole NFL season and win the Super Bowl.
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Well, that's a fact....and so is it that they played less games. Personally, I try to seperate in my mind those types of seasons where teams played less games compared to now when they obviously played more.For example, Jim Brown would rush for over 1000 yards and they'd play only 12 games in a season. He did it over and over compared to a guy now who rushes for 1000 yards in 16 games.I know the NFL doesn't really recognize it like that, but to me to really know how good a player is you have to look at things like that.What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it, kind of like people got tired of hearing how good the Patriots were.I really do find it amazing that the Dolphins were actually underdogs in the SB and being 16-0 heading into that game. I think that had to be the LOCK of the century, I mean really.
 
Rev. Jim said:
Oh, and it's a great commercial: Perfectville

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Real good commercial, the Pats deserve everything that will be coming their way. Just remember if they had won that game all we would be hearing is how great they are blah blah blah. It is great to see them lose cause while they are good they are not unbeatable!!!! 18-1 not the champs. Have a great offseason Pats.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.
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You can't fault a team for the number of games in a season. They were given a schedule and went out and beat everyone on it, and are still the only team to do that in NFL history. It's not like they chose to play fewer games. And equally telling is that the Patriots went into this superbowl as 12 point favorites and lost.
 
Modog814 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.
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You can't fault a team for the number of games in a season. They were given a schedule and went out and beat everyone on it, and are still the only team to do that in NFL history. It's not like they chose to play fewer games. And equally telling is that the Patriots went into this superbowl as 12 point favorites and lost.
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No, you cant fault them for it but you can consider it when talking about greatest teams and seasons.I think to this date, it's reasonable to say the 72 Dolphins had the greatest season ever.But I also think it's reasonable as soon as someone does go undefeated for 16 games then wins the SB they'll have the right to have the greatest season title ever just because they won more games to do it.It's harder to be 19-0 than it is 17-0.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.
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After the Superbowl the 18 wins mean Zip. They are losers and thats it.Love it.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it
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Yes, what the 72 Dolphins did was truly great. I don't get tired of the 72 Dolphins at all. I have all the respect in the world for Don Shula, Bob Griese, Mercury Morris, Larry Czonka, et al. What does go tiresome is all of the Dolphin fans that won't shut thier pie holes about it. Shut the fo ck up already! I have no problem with the 72 Dolphins popping champagne every time thier record holds for another year. Mercury Morris can talk smack and I don't care because he was there, he was on the field. He was part of history that has held on for 35 years. He has the right to make a complete jack ### out of himself and although he looks like a fool, he has earned the right in my opinion. Now all of you idiots that weren't on the field don't have that same right in my opinion. You all are making yourself look more foolish than Mercury Morris ever did. Shut your pie holes already Dolphin fans. You were not a football player for the Dolphins in 1972, so shut your sorry azzes up!
 
There ya go Pats. take a seat right next to the 2001 Seattle Mariners. get comfy, you're going to be there for a while.

 
shredhead said:
Shut your pie holes already Dolphin fans. You were not a football player for the Dolphins in 1972, so shut your sorry azzes up!
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Um, no. If you are a fan of the team, the records matter to you as much as they do for the people who did it. If not, then why be fans?(By this thought above, Giants fans are not allowed to be happy b/c they did nothing to help their team win the SB. Dumb logic there)
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
No, you cant fault them for it but you can consider it when talking about greatest teams and seasons.

I have to disagree. You can't say the 07 Pats (had they won yesterday) had a greater season than the 72 Dolphins because the Pats went 19-0 and Miami only went 17-0. The Dolphins weren't given a chance to go 19-0. I think because both would have been un-defeated in a similar number of games you'd have to call it a wash and move down the list to compare other things to determine who had the better season (stats/schedules ect.). Had Miami only played say 10 games, then yes I think the extra games become more of a factor.

I think to this date, it's reasonable to say the 72 Dolphins had the greatest season ever.

Reasonable but not undebateable. Going undefeated is an amazing feat but I don't think it's the only criteria that needs to be examined in determing the answer to such a question.

But I also think it's reasonable as soon as someone does go undefeated for 16 games then wins the SB they'll have the right to have the greatest season title ever just because they won more games to do it.

Disagree it's not reasonable to punish someone for not doing something they weren't given the opportunity to do. For the record, I do think if the Pats won yesterday that they would have had the greatest season ever, but it wouldn't have been because they played more games than the Dolphins.

It's harder to be 19-0 than it is 17-0.

Yes thats a given. But let's say you and me are on a gameshow, and we're answering questions and we each got the first 17 right. The host reads me my question and I get it right again. He then gives me another question and I get it right again, and says "There we have it folks, the greatest single game every played, Sorry Iwannabeacowboybaby but he got more questions right than you."

Is that reasonable?
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I'm happy the Pats lost, but those 72 Dolphins are annoying as hell. I'd be perfectly happy for a team with less annoying fans and a less arrogant coach that this season's Pats to go undefeated next year and shut up the 72 Dolphins.

 
ConstruxBoy said:
I'm happy the Pats lost, but those 72 Dolphins are annoying as hell. I'd be perfectly happy for a team with less annoying fans and a less arrogant coach that this season's Pats to go undefeated next year and shut up the 72 Dolphins.
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Mercury Morris has become entertaining.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Rev. Jim said:
Not everyone is arguing that the 1972 Dolphins were the greatest team ever. Some of us are simply saying they are the only team to go undefeated through a whole NFL season and win the Super Bowl.
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Well, that's a fact....and so is it that they played less games. Personally, I try to seperate in my mind those types of seasons where teams played less games compared to now when they obviously played more.For example, Jim Brown would rush for over 1000 yards and they'd play only 12 games in a season. He did it over and over compared to a guy now who rushes for 1000 yards in 16 games.I know the NFL doesn't really recognize it like that, but to me to really know how good a player is you have to look at things like that.What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it, kind of like people got tired of hearing how good the Patriots were.I really do find it amazing that the Dolphins were actually underdogs in the SB and being 16-0 heading into that game. :lmao:I think that had to be the LOCK of the century, I mean really.
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Like yesterday? :rolleyes: Dolphins remain the only undefeated team in the Super Bowl era, period.
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it, kind of like people got tired of hearing how good the Patriots were.
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True - but how great the Pat are talk is done for ever. Noone can take away what he 'phins did. What is MORE impressive to me is that they went 36-5-1, with three S.B. appearances and two wins over a three year span, including one year of being undefeated.Only an upstart league sucking away their three best players created that team's downfall.
 
Marc Levin said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it, kind of like people got tired of hearing how good the Patriots were.
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True - but how great the Pat are talk is done for ever. Noone can take away what he 'phins did. What is MORE impressive to me is that they went 36-5-1, with three S.B. appearances and two wins over a three year span, including one year of being undefeated.Only an upstart league sucking away their three best players created that team's downfall.
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:lmao: :bag: :lmao: Id

 
I had a "Mercury Morris" Alias ready to go for the nose rubbing today, but I have abandoned ship on the idea. Feel free to run with it.

 
shredhead said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it
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Yes, what the 72 Dolphins did was truly great. I don't get tired of the 72 Dolphins at all. I have all the respect in the world for Don Shula, Bob Griese, Mercury Morris, Larry Czonka, et al. What does go tiresome is all of the Dolphin fans that won't shut thier pie holes about it. Shut the fo ck up already! I have no problem with the 72 Dolphins popping champagne every time thier record holds for another year. Mercury Morris can talk smack and I don't care because he was there, he was on the field. He was part of history that has held on for 35 years. He has the right to make a complete jack ### out of himself and although he looks like a fool, he has earned the right in my opinion. Now all of you idiots that weren't on the field don't have that same right in my opinion. You all are making yourself look more foolish than Mercury Morris ever did. Shut your pie holes already Dolphin fans. You were not a football player for the Dolphins in 1972, so shut your sorry azzes up!
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:goodposting:
 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Rev. Jim said:
Not everyone is arguing that the 1972 Dolphins were the greatest team ever. Some of us are simply saying they are the only team to go undefeated through a whole NFL season and win the Super Bowl.
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Well, that's a fact....and so is it that they played less games. Personally, I try to seperate in my mind those types of seasons where teams played less games compared to now when they obviously played more.For example, Jim Brown would rush for over 1000 yards and they'd play only 12 games in a season. He did it over and over compared to a guy now who rushes for 1000 yards in 16 games.I know the NFL doesn't really recognize it like that, but to me to really know how good a player is you have to look at things like that.What the Dolphins did was truely great. I think people just get tired of it, kind of like people got tired of hearing how good the Patriots were.I really do find it amazing that the Dolphins were actually underdogs in the SB and being 16-0 heading into that game. I think that had to be the LOCK of the century, I mean really.
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Remember how Ohio State was an underdog in the BCS game this year despite being ranked higher in the polls and the computer rankings? Same line of thinking.Miami was in the inferior conference and got absolutely demolished the year before in the Super Bowl. I'm sure many were thinking "here we go again" with Miami. That Redskins team was pretty good, having just beaten the defending champion Cowboys by 23 in the NFCC game. The AFL had gotten blown out in SBI and SBII, maybe thought SBIII and SBIV were lucky wins, didn't even make the SB in SBV, and Miami got blown out in SBVI. Understandable that many thought Miami and the AFL teams were inferior.
 
Gatorman said:
Couldn't have happenned to a nicer team.

Dolphin fans get one gift after a miserable season.

Thank you Giants.
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The 1940s and Pro Football's Other Undefeated Teams

1948 Cleveland Browns and 1942 Chicago Bears

You won't find it in the NFL Record and Fact Book but there was another team that like the 1972 Miami Dolphins, experienced a perfect season, undefeated and untied through regular and post-season play. The Cleveland Browns, then members of the All-America Football Conference finished 15-0 in 1948. Two years later the AAFC folded and the Browns became members of the NFL.

While the NFL does recognize the records of the American Football League (1960-1969), it does not include AAFC marks in its record keeping.

1948 Cleveland Browns

The Browns, coached by Paul Brown, after whom the team was named, dominated the AAFC all four years by compiling a 52-4-3 record and winning all four league championships. But they reached their zenith in 1948 when they marched through 14 regular season games and the AAFC championship without a blemish.

The perfect season came in the middle of a 29-game unbeaten string that began in October 1947 and continued until October 1949. By 1949, even Browns followers were so weary of constant and even predictable victory celebrations, they simply stopped coming to the games. Thus the Browns, because of their overwhelming domination, contributed to the demise of the AAFC.

No one team ever seriously challenged the Browns but the San Francisco 49ers, also destined to wind up in the NFL, came the closest. They defeated the Browns in 1946 and again in 1949 and came close twice in the flawless 1948 season.

Both teams were 10-0 when they met in Cleveland before 82,769, the largest crowd in pro football history up to that time. Cleveland won 14-7 and had an even closer call two weeks later in San Francisco in a 31-28 squeaker.

The Chicago Bears sailed through the 1942 NFL schedule undefeated and untied. The reigning NFL champs, the Bears, were favorites to win their third consecutive title when they met the Washington Redskins in the 1942 Championship game. However, the Redskins defense was up to the task and surprised the Bears 14-6. The Redskin victory had an extra measure of satisfaction, since it was the same Bears team that two years earlier humiliated Washington 73-0 in the 1940 title game.

Having an undefeated and untied regular season, only to lose in the championship game, was not a new experience for the Bears. In 1934, the New York Giants upset the 13-0 Bears were upset 30-13 in the championship game.
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Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.

To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.

What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.
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Yes...because the oddsmakers are always so spot-on...like they were last night.What irks me is that the '72 Dolphins really get discredited for a few reasons:

1) Mercury Morris is an idiot.

2) They only played 14 games

3) They played a weak schedule.

Granted. However, let's take a look at a couple things in retrospect.

1) Despite it being seven years after the merger, the AFC was still considered an inferior conference by many. That had a great deal to do with the line.

2) The 1972 Dolphins were not only undefeated...they had the #1 offense and the #1 defense. They scored the most points, gained the most yards, allowed the fewest points, and allowed the fewest yards. No team in the SB era has done that before or since. (The '85 Bears came close.)

3) The '84 Niners, '85 Bears, and '07 Pats didn't really have brutal schedules, either. Only ONE of those three teams had a team with a winning record in their division (the '84 Niners had the 10-6 Rams.)

You can hate them if you want because of a couple players on he '72 team, but you can't take away from what they did. How on EARTH can you hold it against them that the NFL played two fewer games in the season at that time? They're one of the best teams of all time, and they did what nobody else has been (yet) been able to do.

 
With this commercial, do you think they filmed a few possible MVPs? Its just too, well, perfect, that its Eli's name on there!
 
The Goat said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
Undefeated or not, that team wasn't the greatest team of all time.

To be honest, I'm surprised people don't make a bigger deal about how they played less games. I know it's mentioned but what's not mentioned is the significance. The Patriots still hold the most wins in a regular season and they are tied with the 85 Bears (who I think is the best team of all time) for the most wins in a season counting the regular season and playoffs.

What's telling is that the Dolphins who went into the SB were actually 2 point underdogs. They weren't even't favored to win the game and they were undefeated.
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Yes...because the oddsmakers are always so spot-on...like they were last night.What irks me is that the '72 Dolphins really get discredited for a few reasons:

1) Mercury Morris is an idiot.

2) They only played 14 games

3) They played a weak schedule.

Granted. However, let's take a look at a couple things in retrospect.

1) Despite it being seven years after the merger, the AFC was still considered an inferior conference by many. That had a great deal to do with the line.

2) The 1972 Dolphins were not only undefeated...they had the #1 offense and the #1 defense. They scored the most points, gained the most yards, allowed the fewest points, and allowed the fewest yards. No team in the SB era has done that before or since. (The '85 Bears came close.)

3) The '84 Niners, '85 Bears, and '07 Pats didn't really have brutal schedules, either. Only ONE of those three teams had a team with a winning record in their division (the '84 Niners had the 10-6 Rams.)

You can hate them if you want because of a couple players on he '72 team, but you can't take away from what they did. How on EARTH can you hold it against them that the NFL played two fewer games in the season at that time? They're one of the best teams of all time, and they did what nobody else has been (yet) been able to do.
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Although their division losers are arguably worse than the NFCW losers, the Pats beat Was, SD, Indy, Pitt, Dallas, GB and the Champs (did I miss any?) in the regular season. That's really not a schedule to ignore and makes up for the lack of better competetition in the division.
 
purestrength said:
This is one commercial I will never get tired of watching.In fact, I think I'll go buy a pair of Reeboks right now.
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lol the one funny thing is unless the Pats lose any early game next year..if they are 6-0 or 7-0 etc...this is gonna start alll over again esp given how weak their schedule is
 
mad sweeney said:
Although their division losers are arguably worse than the NFCW losers, the Pats beat Was, SD, Indy, Pitt, Dallas, GB and the Champs (did I miss any?) in the regular season. That's really not a schedule to ignore and makes up for the lack of better competetition in the division.
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Might want to check the Patriots schedule from this year before posting.
 
Let this be a lesson to all the haters out there - 18 - no.

To the best footbal team to ever step onto the field - The 1972 Miami Dolphins !!!

 
I love Mercury Morris. Here's a guy that will go to his grave singing about the perfect season that never was. Gotta love a soldier like that.

 
Modog814 said:
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
No, you cant fault them for it but you can consider it when talking about greatest teams and seasons.

I have to disagree. You can't say the 07 Pats (had they won yesterday) had a greater season than the 72 Dolphins because the Pats went 19-0 and Miami only went 17-0. The Dolphins weren't given a chance to go 19-0. I think because both would have been un-defeated in a similar number of games you'd have to call it a wash and move down the list to compare other things to determine who had the better season (stats/schedules ect.). Had Miami only played say 10 games, then yes I think the extra games become more of a factor.

I think to this date, it's reasonable to say the 72 Dolphins had the greatest season ever.

Reasonable but not undebateable. Going undefeated is an amazing feat but I don't think it's the only criteria that needs to be examined in determing the answer to such a question.

But I also think it's reasonable as soon as someone does go undefeated for 16 games then wins the SB they'll have the right to have the greatest season title ever just because they won more games to do it.

Disagree it's not reasonable to punish someone for not doing something they weren't given the opportunity to do. For the record, I do think if the Pats won yesterday that they would have had the greatest season ever, but it wouldn't have been because they played more games than the Dolphins.

It's harder to be 19-0 than it is 17-0.

Yes thats a given. But let's say you and me are on a gameshow, and we're answering questions and we each got the first 17 right. The host reads me my question and I get it right again. He then gives me another question and I get it right again, and says "There we have it folks, the greatest single game every played, Sorry Iwannabeacowboybaby but he got more questions right than you."

Is that reasonable?
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1. Yes you can say 19-0 is better than 17-0.2. Didn't say it was undebateable

3. That was the decision the NFL made years ago. It happens in every sport that increases their total number of games in a year and it definately happened in football. Is it fair that Eric Dickerson broke OJ Simpson's record when he did it in a 14 game season and Dickerson was a 16 game season. No, not really but Dickerson has the rushing record even though OJ probably would have beaten him if given the opportunity to rush in 2 more games. There are many examples of this in football and other sports that have increased the number of games in a year. I'm not here to say it's fair, just the way it is.

 
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