Irish
Footballguy
My post was in response to Cookie Monster who claims that when Perry has played he has put up production comparable to a top 10 rb. I was just stating the facts that his statement was completely false.
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Perry to be an every down back (2 Viewers)
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I owned Watson last year and he was huge in my ppr league, EVEN when Rudi was playing he produced in receiving game, with the current situation at WR with TJ and CJ dinged would not be suprized seeing both on field on alot of plays. No matter how pro Perry you are you can not say with a straight face you really expect him to stay healthy can you? The guy has never even sniffed being a starter but has had several serious injuries and has missed SEASONS not just games.
The smart move would be to grab both and see what happens. I missed Perry (took Mason to sure up #5 WR) but got Watson in the 15th. Kinda wish I had grabbed perry (it was before Rudi was cut), now his price is just too high.
The smart move would be to grab both and see what happens. I missed Perry (took Mason to sure up #5 WR) but got Watson in the 15th. Kinda wish I had grabbed perry (it was before Rudi was cut), now his price is just too high.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Following weeks of speculation about what the Bengals had planned for Rudi Johnson, the team provided a somewhat surprising answer by releasing him Saturday. After averaging 1,500 total yards and 12 touchdowns from 2004-2006, Johnson limped through last season while missing significant time with lingering hamstring problems and averaged a measly 2.9 yards per carry.
By cutting Johnson loose the Bengals saved about $3.5 million while turning the starting job over to Chris Perry, who missed all of last year and hasn't played a regular-season game in 21 months. Perry has a grand total of just 73 carries since being a first-round pick in 2004, but if he can ever stay healthy the former Michigan star has the skills necessary to become a three-down running back.
Within a small sample of work as a runner he's averaged 4.6 yards per carry for his career and he ranked third on the team with 51 catches 2005, which was his lone healthy season. He'll face competition for carries from Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey, but coach Marvin Lewis made it clear Saturday that Perry is atop the depth chart, saying: "He's never had that opportunity, so this is his chance."
If he can somehow stay healthy Perry is a RB2 option with added PPR value. As for Johnson, in one season he's gone from being among the league's most productive starters to scrambling for work as a backup despite being "only" 28 years old. He's reportedly already scheduled to visit the Lions and will get calls from other interested teams, but don't expect more than a very modest revival.
By cutting Johnson loose the Bengals saved about $3.5 million while turning the starting job over to Chris Perry, who missed all of last year and hasn't played a regular-season game in 21 months. Perry has a grand total of just 73 carries since being a first-round pick in 2004, but if he can ever stay healthy the former Michigan star has the skills necessary to become a three-down running back.
Within a small sample of work as a runner he's averaged 4.6 yards per carry for his career and he ranked third on the team with 51 catches 2005, which was his lone healthy season. He'll face competition for carries from Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey, but coach Marvin Lewis made it clear Saturday that Perry is atop the depth chart, saying: "He's never had that opportunity, so this is his chance."
If he can somehow stay healthy Perry is a RB2 option with added PPR value. As for Johnson, in one season he's gone from being among the league's most productive starters to scrambling for work as a backup despite being "only" 28 years old. He's reportedly already scheduled to visit the Lions and will get calls from other interested teams, but don't expect more than a very modest revival.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
The question I was addressing is whether he can hold up being an every down back. His college history in that regard is a relevant piece of information.
Paper Lions
Footballguy
Not sure how you are getting that from the posts quoted here.And stop acting like history is irrelevant. Of course it isn't a guarantee. But if we don't consider history, we might as well pick between McFadden and Felix Jones by flipping a coin.
money.never.sleeps
Footballguy
Watson, starter by week 3. Mark it down. I dont trust Perry. Watson has proven he can do it week in week out like you said. I have to think Pre-season is just that.. pre-season. Perry has been kinda injury prone/bust for his career thus far. Unless he shows me otherwise he'll always be that in my mind.
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joffer
Footballguy
ok. care less.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
O.K., I may have worded that wrong, but let's try to put what I said in perspective. Let's compare to MJD.MJD puts up top 15 #s He's shown that potential. Also, because if given the opportunity (ie Taylor injury) he could put up top 5 #s. Now let's say Jacksonville cut F.Taylor, where would MJD get drafted? Possibly top 3. Why? He's never put up top 3 #s! Like Perry, we've seen what he can do when given the chance, and now Perry has that chance. I'm not advocating spending a 2nd round pick on him, but he may very well perform in that range.
Irish
Footballguy
I guess you choose to look at his history in college, while I'm using more recent history ....his last 3 seasons in the NFL. You have to use all the data when making an evaluation, but his more recent history carries more weight IMHO.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Agreed. And the Ravens are a bad matchup for any RB to start against.The reason I asked however was to try and guage what people are expecting/hoping from him. The Ravens are a extreme example, but I wonder how much confidence owners will have in starting Perry in other matchups. As has allready been pointed out the Bengals have a difficult schedule.I understand why people are concerned about his injury history, but really the injuries he has had are not chronic and so I don't see a lot of reason to think that he is at greater risk of injury than any other RB. What does concern me about his ankle injury (that he is now recovered from) is if that has robbed him of some of his speed/cutting agility.I believe the Bengals offensive line is improved from last year. It is not at the 2005-2006 level of talent but it is better than it was in 2007. I don't think the Oline or the passing game will be drawbacks for Bengals RBs this year. Yes Chad and Housh have been nicked up but I still expect them to be able to play through it. Henry is also back for now and the Bengals added 2 decent rookie WR who should be able to contribute when needed as well as Utecht who is a upgrade at TE.The thing that concerns me is how well will Perry be able to play. He did not do well in the box scores during preseason, and actually what I saw there was a rapid decline in YPC which makes me wonder if he is wearing down allready? Or has lost some of his ability? He had many runs for no gain or next to no gain.
If I take out the long gain from each game this is how Perry peformed on the rest of his carries:WK2 6 carries at 2.3 ypcWK3 11 carries at 2.1 ypcWK4 8 carries at 1.6 ypcThis is not getting it done. Perry is going to have to perform much better than this on a more consistent basis to not lose carries to a time share or possibly lose his starting position.For now my position on his is cautiously pessimistic and look for an opportunity to sell high. I very much doubt that opportunity will come after the Ravens game. Week 2 the Bengals play against the Titans who are also pretty good against the run. So perhaps hope that he can muster a good performance against the Giants in week 3 or the Browns in week 4 and look to sell Perry as a RB2 to at that time if one can find a buyer. As the schedule really does not really have many bright spots on it. Perhaps the easiest streach of games on the schedule does come during FF playoffs time if Perry can stay healthy and keep the job that long.Now if Perry performs well against the Ravens or Titans (tough defenses) then I may change my mind and look to keep him long term.
Routilla
Footballguy
detox said:Just picked up Watson off waivers
I grabbed him Friday before the long weekend. I had a feeling Rudi might get cut and that would leave an injury prone Perry as the main RB. No way Perry piles up 350+ touches all of a sudden with no set backs. Watson could be golden by mid year if not sooner.hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
I would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too! 
Ned
Footballguy
people will never stop doing this...
cantstop1999
Footballguy
1st. I know he has been injured before, we all know that. Now he is healthy and has as much a chance to go down as any back in the league, this is pro football and all are a gamble at injury, history doesn't mean he will be injuried for sure.
2nd. The schedule is tuff for Perry this year but i personally don't care seeing how i got him in a draft on the 24th and toke him in the 13th in a 12 team. Plus in the past i have avoided players that had a horrible schedule and they cranked, so i no longer go by that. I will lean to a guy with a easyier schedule but i will still draft a guy with a tuff schedule because you never know.
2nd. The schedule is tuff for Perry this year but i personally don't care seeing how i got him in a draft on the 24th and toke him in the 13th in a 12 team. Plus in the past i have avoided players that had a horrible schedule and they cranked, so i no longer go by that. I will lean to a guy with a easyier schedule but i will still draft a guy with a tuff schedule because you never know.
Gopher State
Footballguy
Well I took Perry in the 14th round of a 15 round re-draft, I take a starting RB that late any dayI would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I guess your missing the significance of this.That is 25 carries at 2 ypc (trending downward). A RB needs to get at least 3.4 ypc for the run to be considered good enough to convert a 1st down. I really didn't even need to take out the long runs to show that Perry was not accomplishing this as his performance was still below this level. The reason that I did take the long runs out was to show how many carries he had that were not even getting 3 yards. It's ok if a RB gets stuffed for no gain a few times as long as they are gaining a reasonable amount of yards to threaten the defense that the run will convert 1st downs. But Perry was not doing that in the preseason. A OC is not going to keep giving a RB a lot of carries if that RB keeps setting up the offense for 3rd and long situations. And if Perry doesen't improve he is a risk to lose carries.people will never stop doing this...
This is different than me taking out a 40 yard run for a RB who is getting 3.5 ypc without it.
goonsquad
Think different.
How many of those preseason carries were on plays where Palmer, Ocho and Housh were also on the field? Without threat of a passing game it's pretty easy to stuff the run.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Every year there are people who put way too much weight on preseason stats. When will they learn?How many of those preseason carries were on plays where Palmer, Ocho and Housh were also on the field? Without threat of a passing game it's pretty easy to stuff the run.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Maybe its nothing.Maybe Perry will be fine in the regular season and get decent enough ypc to hold on to the starting job and get a large workload with defenses not being able to play the run as much and being focused more on stopping the passing game.How many of those preseason carries were on plays where Palmer, Ocho and Housh were also on the field? Without threat of a passing game it's pretty easy to stuff the run.
If Perry has a workload during the regular season for me to draw on and have confidence of that I probably wouldn't be concerned. But he doesen't and I am wondering if he has the same ability that he had before the ankle injury or not even though he is now healthy. What little evidence we have causes me to worry about this is all I am saying.
Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I don't think you can come to any conclusion on what Perry will do this season until we see Carson, TJ and Chad all on the field alongside him.
Who knows whether Perry will stay healthy. The majority of us that drafted him did so with a RB4/5 pick. I have no plans to deal him. What are you really going to get for him to make it worthwhile? Maybe they have a tough schedule, but with Carson/TJ/Chad/Henry come Week 5, that's a pretty tough offense with many weapons to prevent stacking the line.
I personally would rather roll with Perry as my RB4/5 pick than to deal him for Edgerrin James/Maroney/Miami & Carolina messes. Unless I'm getting a rock solid WR (say Holt), I'm staying put. If he were getting this opportunity on an offense that wasn't as capable as Cincy, I'd of dealt him yesterday.
Who knows whether Perry will stay healthy. The majority of us that drafted him did so with a RB4/5 pick. I have no plans to deal him. What are you really going to get for him to make it worthwhile? Maybe they have a tough schedule, but with Carson/TJ/Chad/Henry come Week 5, that's a pretty tough offense with many weapons to prevent stacking the line.
I personally would rather roll with Perry as my RB4/5 pick than to deal him for Edgerrin James/Maroney/Miami & Carolina messes. Unless I'm getting a rock solid WR (say Holt), I'm staying put. If he were getting this opportunity on an offense that wasn't as capable as Cincy, I'd of dealt him yesterday.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Might not even need to wait for Henry; Jerome Simpson could so some serious damage as the #3.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
which is exactly why perry is worth a look...in ppr leaguesI would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too!
packersfan
Footballguy
Anybody else taken aback by where Perry is being projected by FBG? I'm not going to post his ranking but it caught me by surprise. That's some serious belief in him.which is exactly why perry is worth a look...in ppr leaguesI would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too!
Routilla
Footballguy
Especially considering he has not been able to stay on the field for the last few years. I just don't see it over the course of a 16 game season. He would be one of the greatest "comeback player of the year" stories in a long time if he were able to play in all 16 games.Anybody else taken aback by where Perry is being projected by FBG? I'm not going to post his ranking but it caught me by surprise. That's some serious belief in him.which is exactly why perry is worth a look...in ppr leaguesI would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too!
Kirby
Footballguy
Does FBG predict injuries when doing the projections?Especially considering he has not been able to stay on the field for the last few years. I just don't see it over the course of a 16 game season. He would be one of the greatest "comeback player of the year" stories in a long time if he were able to play in all 16 games.Anybody else taken aback by where Perry is being projected by FBG? I'm not going to post his ranking but it caught me by surprise. That's some serious belief in him.which is exactly why perry is worth a look...in ppr leaguesI would never draft a RB with the 5th hardest sch. for Running Backs on a team that throws a lot too!
goodyear pimps
Footballguy
Monday draft12 team league.5 pprPerry went 7thWatson went 10thRud Johnson went 13th
notdarkyet
Footballguy
I got him in the 10th, 11th.In a league of Bengals fans he went in the 3rd of a keeper league (where a lot of RB talent was gone already)
pollardsvision
Footballguy
i bought him in an auction, it cost $15. it's a PPR keeper league with differing starting budgets and a heavy slant toward younger players.in this same league, chris johnson went for $16, ray rice for $14, mendenhall and felix went for $11, and j.stewart went for $18.rudi went for $3.kenny watson was kept.
goonsquad
Think different.
In a 14-team league draft the other night Perry was grabbed early. 4th or 5th round, IIRC.
3C's
Footballguy
I have a draft tonight in a deep keeper league. I pick 3rd. Was going to go the route of whoever is left of McFadden, Stewart, Mendenhall but noticed Perry was let go. Thinking very seriously of taking Perry instead. That would mean I would have him on 2 of my 3 teams. I could be in here crying the blues in a few months.
The whole situation reminds me of the Gore/Barlow business a few years ago. Lousy team dumps -- not benches, but dumps -- its projected starter in favor of a first-round pick from a few years back who has come back from injury. That situation worked out great for everyone.
I think it says A LOT about Perry that the Bengals cut, rather than benched, Johnson. I mean, imagine the freak-out around here if the Titans cut LenDale White, or the Jags Fred Taylor. Perry just hasn't gotten the press. Part of that is being in a small market, part is the circus surrounding Mr. Cinco and C. Henry.
I see this as a golden opportunity for value, either in drafts or on the wire.
I think it says A LOT about Perry that the Bengals cut, rather than benched, Johnson. I mean, imagine the freak-out around here if the Titans cut LenDale White, or the Jags Fred Taylor. Perry just hasn't gotten the press. Part of that is being in a small market, part is the circus surrounding Mr. Cinco and C. Henry.
I see this as a golden opportunity for value, either in drafts or on the wire.
Facecow
Footballguy
Tell that to Barlow.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
How many of those preseason carries were on plays where Palmer, Ocho and Housh were also on the field? Without threat of a passing game it's pretty easy to stuff the run.
and I think your sense of value is a little off. No one would deal you those backs in exchange for Perry, and if you could somehow find someone that would - you should jump on it.
these are the types of picks that can win your league if they pan out.....I keep thinking back to the oppotunity article when I think of Perry...he has the opportunity, much like a Ryan Grant or Ernest Graham last year......it has just come a little earlier in the season then it did for those guys......either you think he is worth it or not, if you can get past the injury history, all signs point to him being worth it.....many thought Jamal Lewis/Robert Smith and others were done too....
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