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Pete Prisco ranks the top 50 NFL players (1 Viewer)
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MCguidance
Footballguy
If ADP has a similar season to last and he is not in the the top 5, something is wrong.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Meh....I could argue some players, but it seems like a good list...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Walter Jones is far too high at this point.
Hard to argue much with the rest of it
Hard to argue much with the rest of it
FUBAR
Footballguy
Solid, just a few I personally disagree with:8. Carson Palmer - 9 spots above Ben?17. Ben Roethlisberger - swap him with Palmer18. Charles Woodson - I actually like this guy, but top 20 seems high at this stage32. Brian Urlacher - maybe I'm still buying the hype, but this seems too low43. Patrick Willis - ok for now, next year = top 25 at least49. Fred Taylor - I won't argue too strongly, but I honestly think MJD is the better all around player right now
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
5. Champ Bailey, CB, Denver Broncos -- Maybe 3 years ago
6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans -- A little too early to put him up this high
18. Charles Woodson, CB, Green Bay Packers -- Is he serious?
34. Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland Browns -- But TO at 13??
37. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles -- Give me Asante over Woodson any day
38. Shawn Andrews, G, Philadelphia Eagles -- Not sure you can have Jason Peters 11 spots ahead of the big kid
6. Mario Williams, DE, Houston Texans -- A little too early to put him up this high
18. Charles Woodson, CB, Green Bay Packers -- Is he serious?
34. Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland Browns -- But TO at 13??
37. Asante Samuel, CB, Philadelphia Eagles -- Give me Asante over Woodson any day
38. Shawn Andrews, G, Philadelphia Eagles -- Not sure you can have Jason Peters 11 spots ahead of the big kid
J-Rock
Footballguy
mozzy84
Footballguy
these are the three that stood out to me also, especially woodson
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I can agree with where he has these two. The number of WR's on this list is low. To be listed is an honor. TO has done it year in and year out and is on the way to the HOF. EDwards has one really good year. 2 years from now if TO and BE put up the exact same numbers they did last year in those years the numbers would be reversed....
FUBAR
Footballguy
Why not? T vs. G makes a difference.
Name a better CB. It's popular to try to find faults with Bailey because he has to contend with much tougher rules than the historical greats of the past, but he's already earned a place in the pantheon. He's the best corner in the league in pass support, and the best corner in the league in run support. When WRs want to sing a CB's praises, they say "Outside of Bailey, he's the toughest CB I've faced" (Chad Johnson said this about Al Harris). When CBs want to sing their own praises, they say "Bailey's the best right now, but one day I will be..." (Terrence Newman said this). He had a down year last year (compared to the lofty expectations he's created), but that doesn't mean he's not the best defensive player in the NFL still.
trader jake
Footballguy
These lists almost always suffer from too many skill position players and not enough of the big uglies in the trenches to be of much real use. They also suffer from a high/low based on what a skill position player did just last year...see Randy Moss.
Manster
Footballguy
agreed. i'll add Flozell Adams. he dominates defenders.how about Patrick Kerney? i dont remember seeing him.
Kerney was on the "just missed" list, which seems silly to me. He made a compelling case for the DPoY award last season.
mdog1967
Footballguy
Hester should not be on the list, period.RB Larry Johnson on the just missed list is stupid and proves that Prisco is still an Idiot. Larry Johnson should be handing out Jock straps for Frank Gore, Barber and MJD. Once again Prisco gets it 70% right like anyone here could and got his head stuck back in the dark place on the rest. CBS is a complete joke.
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Team Legacy
Footballguy
Interesting Winslow over Witten. I disagree.
I'm done looking at this list at this point
Kevin Williams seems far too high to me. Pat Williams is a huge reason for the Vikings dominant run defense.
Aaron Kampman should be much higher.
I love Wes Welker but he doesn't belong on this list.
the Charles Woodson ranking is bizarre.
Aaron Kampman should be much higher.
I love Wes Welker but he doesn't belong on this list.
the Charles Woodson ranking is bizarre.
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RBM
Footballguy
Disagree on all 3Sanders is the biggest impact player on any defense in the league.Reed is still top notch, and has Gonzo even lost a step?- I like Bob Sanders, but #7 is quite the stretch- Please remove Ed Reed from this list, 2004 was a while ago- Tony Gonzalez at #46I'm done looking at this list at this point
I thought he meant Gonzo was too low. I agree that he shouldn't be #7. He should be higher.
Brownsfan07
Footballguy
why the bloody hell isn't any browns in it, except for two?!!
what about joe thomas, or jamal lewis dammit!
whatever, pete prisco is an asswipe!
what about joe thomas, or jamal lewis dammit!
whatever, pete prisco is an asswipe!
there are 32 NFL teams so getting 2 out of the top-50 is actually pretty good. Joe Thomas will be there soon but most of these guys are more proven. Jamal Lewis isn't a top-50 NFL player.
Brownsfan07
Footballguy
and yet reggie bush is!remember, jamal is a beast, and a one-time super bowl champion with the ratbirds!
Reggie Bush is overrated and Jamal Lewis is probably underrated, but I don't think either belongs on this list.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Nice to see the premier YOUNG strong side DE on the list at 6.
As a Houston fan this is great. I loved the pick at the time and heard from anyone who had ever seen ESPN that I was an idiot.
A dominant SS DE is worth his weight in gold. Especially one that can get after the QB.
As a Houston fan this is great. I loved the pick at the time and heard from anyone who had ever seen ESPN that I was an idiot.
A dominant SS DE is worth his weight in gold. Especially one that can get after the QB.
FUBAR
Footballguy
odd to see two Browns on it, but only one Titan - you know, the team that actually made the playoffs. Same # as the Lions.
massraider
Footballguy
This what you're upset about? really? Prisco overlooked your team. Is this going to really bother you? Really?
trollmonger
Footballguy
Interesting list.
I can understand that many will have differing opinions on players, especially when you start trying rank them across different positions but there's a few I have a real problem with.
4. Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots: He has unbelievable talent. He had a phenomenal season last year. Maybe it's a personal bias but this is still the guy who played in Oakland right? I'm not sure where I'd put him right now but I know it's out of the top 10.
8. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals: I thought I was a bigger fan than most of Palmer but I can't put him this high.
12. Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota Vikings: I'll plead ignorance here. I know he led the league in sacks last year but is he really the best DE in the league?
13. Terrell Owens, WR, Dallas Cowboys: Although I have less problems with TO than Moss (I don't think TO gives up on his team the way Moss can), I have similar comments here. And I'm a Cowboy fan.
17. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh Steelers: As someone mentioned earlier, swap him with Palmer.
22. Reggie Wayne, WR, Indianapolis Colts: He's on my fantasy team and I love him but he's a top 3 FF WR because of Manning, not because of his talent.
26. Andre Johnson, WR, Houston Texans: He might be the guy I'd put as the top WR but not in the top ten.
27. Jason Peters, T, Buffalo Bills: I know the former TE has really come along as an OT but is he really the 2nd best OT in the league? I don't have a problem with an OT this high. In fact after QB, I think this is the 2nd most important position in football and the list should reflect that.
28. Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals: At this point, the WR run has officially got ridiculous. 6 in the top 28!? Overall, there's 9 in the top 50. There's only 5 QBs, 2 OTs, 5 CBs, 5 DEs. These are positions I want my team be strong in ahead of WR.
31. Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals: See above. But Fitz belongs on this list unlike CJ.
34. Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland Browns: See above. And he's only had one good year. I think he'll be on this list for years to come but I would have left him off it this year.
44. Kellen Winslow, TE, Cleveland Browns: Not to pick on Cleveland (I think Thomas should be on the list) but Winslow needs to show me a little more before he makes this list. The guy I'd put here ahead of Winslow is Witten. I might put him ahead of Gates. He might not have the big play ability that these two do but he's clutch, he's a blocker first and still managed to lead the league in yardage for a TE last year.
48. Wes Welker, WR, New England Patriots: And I thought it was ridulous before!
49. Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars: He's had an underrated career. Maybe his inclusion is some kind of lifetime achievement award but he's not top 50 material.
50. Devin Hester, KR, Chicago Bears: Having trouble with this one. I know he's great at what he does but does it warrant top 50?
Shouldn't have just missed: Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers; Patrick Kerney, DE, Seattle Seahawks; Tony Romo, QB, Dallas Cowboys.
On the cusp (might have just made or just missed): Larry Johnson, RB, Kansas City Chiefs; Troy Polamalu, S, Pittsburgh Steelers; Adrian Wilson, S, Arizona Cardinals; Antonio Cromartie, CB, San Diego Chargers' Terence Newman, CB, Dallas Cowboys; DeMeco Ryans, LB, Houston Texans.
I can understand that many will have differing opinions on players, especially when you start trying rank them across different positions but there's a few I have a real problem with.
4. Randy Moss, WR, New England Patriots: He has unbelievable talent. He had a phenomenal season last year. Maybe it's a personal bias but this is still the guy who played in Oakland right? I'm not sure where I'd put him right now but I know it's out of the top 10.
8. Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals: I thought I was a bigger fan than most of Palmer but I can't put him this high.
12. Jared Allen, DE, Minnesota Vikings: I'll plead ignorance here. I know he led the league in sacks last year but is he really the best DE in the league?
13. Terrell Owens, WR, Dallas Cowboys: Although I have less problems with TO than Moss (I don't think TO gives up on his team the way Moss can), I have similar comments here. And I'm a Cowboy fan.
17. Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Pittsburgh Steelers: As someone mentioned earlier, swap him with Palmer.
22. Reggie Wayne, WR, Indianapolis Colts: He's on my fantasy team and I love him but he's a top 3 FF WR because of Manning, not because of his talent.
26. Andre Johnson, WR, Houston Texans: He might be the guy I'd put as the top WR but not in the top ten.
27. Jason Peters, T, Buffalo Bills: I know the former TE has really come along as an OT but is he really the 2nd best OT in the league? I don't have a problem with an OT this high. In fact after QB, I think this is the 2nd most important position in football and the list should reflect that.
28. Chad Johnson, WR, Cincinnati Bengals: At this point, the WR run has officially got ridiculous. 6 in the top 28!? Overall, there's 9 in the top 50. There's only 5 QBs, 2 OTs, 5 CBs, 5 DEs. These are positions I want my team be strong in ahead of WR.
31. Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals: See above. But Fitz belongs on this list unlike CJ.
34. Braylon Edwards, WR, Cleveland Browns: See above. And he's only had one good year. I think he'll be on this list for years to come but I would have left him off it this year.
44. Kellen Winslow, TE, Cleveland Browns: Not to pick on Cleveland (I think Thomas should be on the list) but Winslow needs to show me a little more before he makes this list. The guy I'd put here ahead of Winslow is Witten. I might put him ahead of Gates. He might not have the big play ability that these two do but he's clutch, he's a blocker first and still managed to lead the league in yardage for a TE last year.
48. Wes Welker, WR, New England Patriots: And I thought it was ridulous before!
49. Fred Taylor, RB, Jacksonville Jaguars: He's had an underrated career. Maybe his inclusion is some kind of lifetime achievement award but he's not top 50 material.
50. Devin Hester, KR, Chicago Bears: Having trouble with this one. I know he's great at what he does but does it warrant top 50?
Shouldn't have just missed: Julius Peppers, DE, Carolina Panthers; Patrick Kerney, DE, Seattle Seahawks; Tony Romo, QB, Dallas Cowboys.
On the cusp (might have just made or just missed): Larry Johnson, RB, Kansas City Chiefs; Troy Polamalu, S, Pittsburgh Steelers; Adrian Wilson, S, Arizona Cardinals; Antonio Cromartie, CB, San Diego Chargers' Terence Newman, CB, Dallas Cowboys; DeMeco Ryans, LB, Houston Texans.
Okay Mario Williams at #6 while Patrick Kerney isnt even on the list is ubsurd. I'm not at all convinced Mario is better in any way than Kerney.
Ernie Sims over Tatupu is completely rediculous. We all can agree on that one.
Hester as a top 50 player in the league.
Youre telling me that if you were building a team that needed to be good for one season, you would take Hester over somebody like Hasselbeck, Peppers, Kerney, DeMeco Ryans, Romo? Are you kidding me?
Ernie Sims over Tatupu is completely rediculous. We all can agree on that one.
Hester as a top 50 player in the league.
Youre telling me that if you were building a team that needed to be good for one season, you would take Hester over somebody like Hasselbeck, Peppers, Kerney, DeMeco Ryans, Romo? Are you kidding me?
I would.The difference between Hasselbeck/Romo and an average QB seems a lot smaller than the difference between Hester and the average returner.
but the importance of a QB to team success is much greater than the importance of a returner to team success.If the Bears had an opportunity to trade Hester for Romo or Hasselbeck, they would make that deal in a heartbeat without giving it a second thought.
The list isn't "50 most valuable players" or "50 most impactful players", it's "50 best players". We could debate all day long how much importance position should play (obviously it carries SOME weight with Prisco, as evidenced by the lack of Punters or Kickers on the list), but I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have Hester on the list over Romo or Hass.Of course, it's all a pretty moot point anyway. By putting Hester at #50, Prisco made it pretty clear that he was just tacking him onto the list to stir up some controversy.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I took it more as he wanted to recognize a game changing returner. While he didn't list his top K or P, I like the fact that he went beyond the "QB is key, these are good QBs" line of thinking.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Mario is better at run support. He is very good at tying up blockers as well, to free up Ryans to make plays.Okay Mario Williams at #6 while Patrick Kerney isnt even on the list is ubsurd. I'm not at all convinced Mario is better in any way than Kerney.Ernie Sims over Tatupu is completely rediculous. We all can agree on that one.Hester as a top 50 player in the league.Youre telling me that if you were building a team that needed to be good for one season, you would take Hester over somebody like Hasselbeck, Peppers, Kerney, DeMeco Ryans, Romo? Are you kidding me?
Better in run support? On a much better defense, Kerney had MORE tackles than Mario did. Mario also had more opportunities to make tackles because he is playing on a defense that doesnt have great players at most positions. Kerney was competing for tackles with the best LB corp in the NFL. But keep trying.This is just a rediculous example of young players getting overrated by Prisco and Seahawks players(Jones aside) getting underrated.Getinthemix said:Mario is better at run support. He is very good at tying up blockers as well, to free up Ryans to make plays.Okay Mario Williams at #6 while Patrick Kerney isnt even on the list is ubsurd. I'm not at all convinced Mario is better in any way than Kerney.Ernie Sims over Tatupu is completely rediculous. We all can agree on that one.Hester as a top 50 player in the league.Youre telling me that if you were building a team that needed to be good for one season, you would take Hester over somebody like Hasselbeck, Peppers, Kerney, DeMeco Ryans, Romo? Are you kidding me?
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Tackles for a DLineman do not equal run support. As I stated, Mario's frequent repsonsibility in their D is to hold up OL so that the LB's can run free.
Kerney also plays the weakside, which will help free him up to make more run tackles. Mario plays the strong side and has to contend with a TE frequently.
BTW, nice comeback with keep trying. Kudos.
Kerney also plays the weakside, which will help free him up to make more run tackles. Mario plays the strong side and has to contend with a TE frequently.
BTW, nice comeback with keep trying. Kudos.
TitusIII
Footballguy
Check the average starting field position for the Bears over the past two years. I'd argue there are only a handfull of players that have more "value" to an NFL team.
Moldy Potato
Footballguy
Where is Marques Colston?
Seriously. A lot of people don't know this, but no WR in the history of the NFL has had as many catches after their first two years than Colston has.
Two good years out of Mario Williams and he is the #6 overall player? Two record-breaking years out of Colston and he doesn't even make the "Just Missed" list?
Don't even get me started on Wes Welker beating him out. What a joke.
Seriously. A lot of people don't know this, but no WR in the history of the NFL has had as many catches after their first two years than Colston has.
Two good years out of Mario Williams and he is the #6 overall player? Two record-breaking years out of Colston and he doesn't even make the "Just Missed" list?
Don't even get me started on Wes Welker beating him out. What a joke.
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Then why are they listed as starting on opposite sides of the line?
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/2...ST_Gamebook.pdf
http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/2...ST_Gamebook.pdf
Getinthemix
Footballguy
Kerney plays the LDE and Mario plays RDE
Jayrod
Footballguy
Devin Hester absolutely belongs on this list.
Not only does he contribute yardage, he gets additional scores basically by himself. The Bears blocking schemes aren't THAT much better than the rest of the NFL. Take a player that can consistantly improve field position throughout the game better than any other team and then can get 4-6 TD's from a spot that traditionally produces 0-1 and you have an impactful player.
The only reason the Bears would trade Hester for Romo or Hasselback is because they have the 32nd best starting QB in the NFL. If they even had a marginal guy, no way would they trade Hester.
For a bunch of fantasy guys who should understand value over replacement player I'm baffled why Hester's ranking is even questioned.
Not only does he contribute yardage, he gets additional scores basically by himself. The Bears blocking schemes aren't THAT much better than the rest of the NFL. Take a player that can consistantly improve field position throughout the game better than any other team and then can get 4-6 TD's from a spot that traditionally produces 0-1 and you have an impactful player.
The only reason the Bears would trade Hester for Romo or Hasselback is because they have the 32nd best starting QB in the NFL. If they even had a marginal guy, no way would they trade Hester.
For a bunch of fantasy guys who should understand value over replacement player I'm baffled why Hester's ranking is even questioned.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Better in run support? On a much better defense, Kerney had MORE tackles than Mario did. Mario also had more opportunities to make tackles because he is playing on a defense that doesnt have great players at most positions. Kerney was competing for tackles with the best LB corp in the NFL. But keep trying.This is just a rediculous example of young players getting overrated by Prisco and Seahawks players(Jones aside) getting underrated.Getinthemix said:Mario is better at run support. He is very good at tying up blockers as well, to free up Ryans to make plays.Okay Mario Williams at #6 while Patrick Kerney isnt even on the list is ubsurd. I'm not at all convinced Mario is better in any way than Kerney.
Ernie Sims over Tatupu is completely rediculous. We all can agree on that one.
Hester as a top 50 player in the league.
Youre telling me that if you were building a team that needed to be good for one season, you would take Hester over somebody like Hasselbeck, Peppers, Kerney, DeMeco Ryans, Romo? Are you kidding me?
Seattle's defense was on the field for 41 more plays and 5 more running plays than Houston's.
since most QBs are right-handed:LDE = strongsideRDE = weaksideI thought Mario was moved to the weakside last year, which helped explain the big increase in sacks. But, both him and Kerney could likely be successful at either spot.
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I don't really have a problem with him being included, but if the NFL was going to clear all rosters and do a full redraft from scratch, I really don't think Hester would be taken in the first 2 rounds (64 picks).
Jayrod
Footballguy
Al Davis would.
