Peter Jackson to make The Hobbit (1 Viewer)

[Andrew74]

As to why Bilbo (or a Hobbit was chosen), I think that's summed up in Bilbo's confrontation with Smaug.....Smaug had no idea what Bilbo was and thus; being a bored dragon.....saw it as a bit of a game (or temporary distraction). If it were only dwarves, I don't think there would have been that initial "in" with Smaug.

IIRC from the books, the idea was Smaug would be confused by a Hobbit since he'd have no idea what it was. A dwarf goes in, he knows immediately just by smell. I believe Smaug was confused by the smell (he couldn't see Bilbo) and that worked mightily to Bilbo surviving

 

[prosopis]

I loved this movie and the whole series. Only thing that truly bothered me was Alfred. I am not sure why he was even there? I suppose he was part of the whole evil of gold theme but he was really unnecessary

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[cstu]

The Desolation of Smaug’s ending occurs after the titular dragon escapes from the Lonely Mountain and flies towards Laketown where he plans to wreck havoc. The camera then cuts back to Bilbo who asks himself what they’ve gotten themselves into. Cut to black.

Jackson revealed in a recent interview with EW that before they split the movie into three films, Part 1 and Part 2 were going to be split right after Bilbo and the Dwarves see Bard the Bowman’s silhouette in the distance. The second movie would’ve picked up with their journey into Laketown.

 

[cstu]

Obviously Gandalf had precognition/intuition that the mission to kill Smaug would work, right?

After all, the dwarves lost Erebor to Smaug with a presumably large army. How would would a small band of dwarves, even with the help of a hobbit thief, have been expected to kill Smaug? Gandalf showed up out of the blue and convinces the dwarves to attempt what is essentially a suicide mission, yet it works because of a long chain of 'chance' events. The Hobbit doesn't make sense unless Gandalf had some way of sensing the future.

 

[Thunderlips]

Obviously Gandalf had precognition/intuition that the mission to kill Smaug would work, right?

After all, the dwarves lost Erebor to Smaug with a presumably large army. How would would a small band of dwarves, even with the help of a hobbit thief, have been expected to kill Smaug? Gandalf showed up out of the blue and convinces the dwarves to attempt what is essentially a suicide mission, yet it works because of a long chain of 'chance' events. The Hobbit doesn't make sense unless Gandalf had some way of sensing the future.

I don't think so in regards to the book.

 

[beer 30]

Obviously Gandalf had precognition/intuition that the mission to kill Smaug would work, right?

After all, the dwarves lost Erebor to Smaug with a presumably large army. How would would a small band of dwarves, even with the help of a hobbit thief, have been expected to kill Smaug? Gandalf showed up out of the blue and convinces the dwarves to attempt what is essentially a suicide mission, yet it works because of a long chain of 'chance' events. The Hobbit doesn't make sense unless Gandalf had some way of sensing the future.

Or he asked Galadriel what she thought

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

 

[cstu]

Gandalf is a Maia, created by the thought of Éru at the beginning of known time. His physical and spiritual fabric is in fact identical to that of the god-like Valar "but of less degree." This gives him an array of documented powers:

e) Foresight into future events. Silmarillion: "Now Melian had much foresight, after the manner of the Maiar ..." Similarly, Gandalf foresees many turns of events including the importance of hobbits in the War of the Ring, Aragorn's future name (Elessar), the flowering of the White Tree, etc.

 

[cstu]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

 

[msommer]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

In LOTR it is made pretty clear that only after Bilbo started doing impossible stuff did Gandalf start tracking the ring. He got information from Gollum (in some dungeon in Mordor iirc) that persuaded him that it was the one ring, and throwing it into the fireplace in the beginning of the Fellowship was what finally convinced him it was in Bilbo's possession.

In terms of the Hobbit, Bilbo was a sprinkling of X-factor that might do something to make the mission succeed. What he could/would do Gandalf didn't know (and frankly he was pretty help/hopeless without the ring)

 

[beer 30]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

In LOTR it is made pretty clear that only after Bilbo started doing impossible stuff did Gandalf start tracking the ring. He got information from Gollum (in some dungeon in Mordor iirc) that persuaded him that it was the one ring, and throwing it into the fireplace in the beginning of the Fellowship was what finally convinced him it was in Bilbo's possession.

In terms of the Hobbit, Bilbo was a sprinkling of X-factor that might do something to make the mission succeed. What he could/would do Gandalf didn't know (and frankly he was pretty help/hopeless without the ring)

Gandalf suspected something was up when Bilbo started 'appearing' at opportune moments. When the ring was finally mentioned Gandalf again suspected that it was a great ring of power but still wasn't 100% it was the great ring until he went back to Gondor, went through the old scrolls, reconfirmed the fire writing that appeared on the ring from Isildur's accounts and finally confirmed it by chucking it into the fire at Bag End.

I forgot just how good these books were. Was just reading about the history of Isildur and was reminded that Elros, the Half-elven and the first King of Númenor, had chosen the mortal life of men, while his brother Elrond chose the immortal life of elves. So Isildur was what? Elrond's grandson or something like that? You would have thought Elrond's advice would have carried more weight over Isildur but the power of the ring won out and preserved itself and became Isildur's bane. Good stuff

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

Well they didn't kill the Dragon. All they did was piss off the Dragon , and their skill doesn't match up with killing a dragon. Certainly they had no chance without the wizard. In the book the dwarves never even confront the Dragon. The only reason Gandalf leaves the dwarves in the book is because Saruman summons him to help the White Council drive Sauron from Dol Guldor. Nothing less could of drawn Gandalf away.

 

[cstu]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

Well they didn't kill the Dragon. All they did was piss off the Dragon , and their skill doesn't match up with killing a dragon. Certainly they had no chance without the wizard. In the book the dwarves never even confront the Dragon. The only reason Gandalf leaves the dwarves in the book is because Saruman summons him to help the White Council drive Sauron from Dol Guldor. Nothing less could of drawn Gandalf away.

It doesn't seem like Gandalf's plan was to go with a bunch of dwarves and a hobbit only to slay Smaug himself. Gandalf seems to called away at very convenient times (to allow the heroic actions of others) and I believe it's more than coincidence.

The analogy I'd give is one of those electric football games - Gandalf 'knows' that if he puts all the pieces in the right place he'll get the outcome he wants, but he's not sure how exactly it will happen.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I have a semi related question about Fellowship in the movie compared to the books/appendices.

In Fellowship, when they get to Moria, it is portrayed that the Dwarves were driven out of Moria when the read the book written by Balin.

But weren't the Dwarves driven out of Moria many many years earlier and Balin was part of a group that tried to retake Moria but failed?

 

[Kumerica]

I have a semi related question about Fellowship in the movie compared to the books/appendices.

In Fellowship, when they get to Moria, it is portrayed that the Dwarves were driven out of Moria when the read the book written by Balin.

But weren't the Dwarves driven out of Moria many many years earlier and Balin was part of a group that tried to retake Moria but failed?

From LOTR Wiki on Balin:

Balin later led an expedition in an attempt to reclaim the ancient dwarf kingdom of Moria, hoping to regain both the wealth of Khazad-dûm and the last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves. Ultimately, the search for the ring—which conferred great wealth and a curse of greed on its owners—was in vain, as it had been recaptured from Thráin II by Sauron. According to Ori's Book of Mazarbul, Balin did successfully become Lord of Moria for a time {the Colony was too small for a Kingship}, recovering Durin's Axe, a helm and discovering mithril. Balin himself was killed by an Orc archer in the Dimrill Dale in TA 2994, ambushed while going alone to look in Mirromere (Kheled-zâram). Soon afterward the dwarf colony which was too small was eventually overrun by Orcs (led by the Balrog known as Durin's Bane) and wiped out.

Balin's TombThe fate of Balin's colony remained uncertain to all Middle Earth until the TA 3019 arrival in Moria of the Fellowship of the Ring, which included his close kin (first cousin once removed) Gimli, the son of Balin's cousin Glóin and nephew of Óin.[1][2][3] Upon arriving at The Chamber of Mazarbul and finding Balin's Tomb within, the Fellowship learned of his fate within Moria, which saddened and angered Gimli, for on the single oblong block, about two feet high, were Dwarf Runes that Gandalf translated as:[4]

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

I think it was Gandalf's intention that he be there with the dwarves when they entered the mountain increasing their chances of killing the dragon. In both the book and the movie he is distracted by other wizard duties.

I think the choice of Bilbo is pretty much like it was presented in the movies, something of inspiration on Gandalf's part not necessarily a clear vision that Bilbo would be the ring bearer. Thinking of Bilbo as the ring bearer would insinuate Gandalf knew the ring would be found. In the book it was thought the ring had rolled down the river and into the ocean never to be found. In the movies it isnt that clear but clearly no one knows about the ring or its whereabouts,.

My take on it is that Gandalf had some foresight that a band of dwarves and a hobbit would be able to kill Smaug.

I don't think he had any idea about the ring.

Well they didn't kill the Dragon. All they did was piss off the Dragon , and their skill doesn't match up with killing a dragon. Certainly they had no chance without the wizard. In the book the dwarves never even confront the Dragon. The only reason Gandalf leaves the dwarves in the book is because Saruman summons him to help the White Council drive Sauron from Dol Guldor. Nothing less could of drawn Gandalf away.

It doesn't seem like Gandalf's plan was to go with a bunch of dwarves and a hobbit only to slay Smaug himself. Gandalf seems to called away at very convenient times (to allow the heroic actions of others) and I believe it's more than coincidence.

The analogy I'd give is one of those electric football games - Gandalf 'knows' that if he puts all the pieces in the right place he'll get the outcome he wants, but he's not sure how exactly it will happen.

I think Gandalf needs Thorin more for what happens after the Dragon is killed. Gandalf can't restore the Dwarf Kingdom , really the long term strategic goal besides denying Sauron the Dragon. Dwarfs are brought further east and south, and really forced to come into conflict with Sauron.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Finally saw it and enjoyed it. However yes, it's 75% Dwarves, not so much Hobbit.

Elves, Dwarves, Men, Orcs.... someone please remind me, who would be the fifth army then? Would it be Radagast and his army of nature (Eagles, Beorn...)?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Finally saw it and enjoyed it. However yes, it's 75% Dwarves, not so much Hobbit.

Elves, Dwarves, Men, Orcs.... someone please remind me, who would be the fifth army then? Would it be Radagast and his army of nature (Eagles, Beorn...)?

 

[Brady Marino]

Finally saw it and enjoyed it. However yes, it's 75% Dwarves, not so much Hobbit.

Elves, Dwarves, Men, Orcs.... someone please remind me, who would be the fifth army then? Would it be Radagast and his army of nature (Eagles, Beorn...)?

Was thinking that or the second Orc army.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Whose idea was it to swap out Thranduil with Sephiroth for this one?