Peter Liang Guilty of Manslaughter for Death of Akai Gurley (1 Viewer)

[fantasycurse42]

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/nypd-peter-liang-guilty-fatal-shooting-akai-gurley-article-1.2528827

Pretty surprised by the verdict, big deal around these parts, nobody in here discussing this?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

HUGE NEWS

 

[Mors Venit]

Intense

 

[Mors Venit]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

 

[fantasycurse42]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

Glad you and MC Gas Monkey share an opinion on this one.

This story will have a serious impact on the NYPD, their ability to retain/recruit talent, and their reluctance to police areas such as the Pink Houses, which are some of the worst projects in the country.

 

[Mors Venit]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

Back then they could just waltz in to your living room ( not that commies would have the timing for a waltz...but whatever) and just plug you.That crap was suppossed to be over nearly 30 years ago but they are still towing the company line in our stairwells ( which may or may not be in the ghetto ((90's not 40's))

)))))

 

[Mors Venit]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

Glad you and MC Gas Monkey share an opinion on this one.This story will have a serious impact on the NYPD, their ability to retain/recruit talent, and their reluctance to police areas such as the Pink Houses, which are some of the worst projects in the country.

Talent?

 

[Gawain]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

 

[fantasycurse42]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

He def botched this big time, but a rookie cop in those projects under that pressure - He's facing 15 years, while there is certainly some guilt (and I agree with your post), I think that would be excessive.

 

[Gawain]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

He def botched this big time, but a rookie cop in those projects under that pressure - He's facing 15 years, while there is certainly some guilt (and I agree with your post), I think that would be excessive.

I'd be amazed if he got 15...maybe 5 out in 3. First-time offender and the like.

The rookie cop excuse doesn't hold water with me. There has to be a bare minimum of service that a first day on the job cop can provide and I think not accidentally shooting someone is the least a rookie should have down.

If training was suspect, if he shouldn't have been there, if the NYPD set him up to fail, maybe Liang has a claim against the NYPD, Bratton and Blasio. I don't think he has absolution for shooting Gurley.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

Back then they could just waltz in to your living room ( not that commies would have the timing for a waltz...but whatever) and just plug you.That crap was suppossed to be over nearly 30 years ago but they are still towing the company line in our stairwells ( which may or may not be in the ghetto ((90's not 40's))

)))))

TOTALLY AGREE OMG

 

[SacramentoBob]

This is a huge victory over communism folks

ABOUT TIME

Glad you and MC Gas Monkey share an opinion on this one.

This story will have a serious impact on the NYPD, their ability to retain/recruit talent, and their reluctance to police areas such as the Pink Houses, which are some of the worst projects in the country.

Maybe NYPD can start recruiting people that can walk up the stairs without shooting someone accidentally.

 

[[scooter]]

Now imagine that the cop was white.

 

[Cjw_55106]

Now imagine that the cop was white.

I wondered why I had never heard of this. As sad as it is, I think you provided the answer.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I guess I'll wait for the Netflix documentary

 

[Mors Venit]

I guess I'll wait for the Netflix documentary

In 15 years this story will be huge.

 

[glock]

The level of dickyness up in here is just special.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

A two day deliberation. Sounds like the jury wrestled with the decision.

 

[Reaper]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

 

[shadyridr]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

 

[Reaper]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way... 15 years... To Destroy a guy who is one of the "Good One's".....

I see he can get much less, I still think it's ridiculous...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Several thoughts...

-Why is a rookie cop doing that job? Maybe that is rookie work.

-I'm sure at some point the police were begged by the law abiding citizens stuck in these homes to please help them and encouraged the police to patrol their buildings. The police should have a new policy of not patrolling these buildings unless called for an emergency. I would bet that will start to happen and then they will be blamed for increases in crime.

-If people were law abiding citizens we wouldn't need police officers so let's not try and act like all citizens are angels because they are not.

-Lot of jewelry on daddy there, what line of work was he in to be able to afford all that gold while raising a 2 year old in government housing? I must have been doing it wrong all these years.

-This guy should have never been a police officer. Not sure what part of NY this guy is from but he looks weak and incapable of that job.

-They shouldn't let anyone under 30 be an actual police officer. Desk work for the guys and gal in their 20s until they learn what it is really all about.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The duration of the deliberation would seem to indicate that there were one or more holdouts who took some convincing.

I have not followed the case. Was he patrolling the stairwells with his gun already drawn?

It is an unfortunate fact of policing that assignments are often based upon seniority and experience. Many forces have their most junior officers patrolling the most dangerous areas at the least favorable times of day and days of the week. Experienced senior officers can bid and do receive assignments during weekdays in better areas (special assignments aside) and inexperienced officers get the worst and most dangerous and volatile areas during weekend nights. It is a recipe for trouble.

 

[Bucky86]

he shot an innocent unarmed person. I don't think the laws should be any different for cops. Good decision by the jury.

 

[SacramentoBob]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way... 15 years... To Destroy a guy who is one of the "Good One's".....

I see he can get much less, I still think it's ridiculous...

How exactly is this guy one of the good ones?

 

[fantasycurse42]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way... 15 years... To Destroy a guy who is one of the "Good One's".....

I see he can get much less, I still think it's ridiculous...

How exactly is this guy one of the good ones?

While Akai Gurley didn't deserve to die, he had been arrested 24 times and convicted of selling crack/cocaine multiple times. I think in comparison of the two, one could be defined as good and the other as bad.

One wanted to uphold the law, serve and protect, and the other was a drug dealer. One = good, one = bad.

Again, don't misconstrue my comments, the guy didn't deserve to die, but this was an accident, a tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way...

It's not "either way"...manslaughter is based on negligence, not intent.

I want to naturally side with the police here, because it's a difficult and mostly thankless job - but he did kill an innocent man based on his incompetence and his actions after the accident are really not defensible.

I do hope that he sees less than 15 years though.

 

[Mors Venit]

The duration of the deliberation would seem to indicate that there were one or more holdouts who took some convincing.

I have not followed the case. Was he patrolling the stairwells with his gun already drawn?

It is an unfortunate fact of policing that assignments are often based upon seniority and experience. Many forces have their most junior officers patrolling the most dangerous areas at the least favorable times of day and days of the week. Experienced senior officers can bid and do receive assignments during weekdays in better areas (special assignments aside) and inexperienced officers get the worst and most dangerous and volatile areas during weekend nights. It is a recipe for trouble.

all the more reason these cops should be learning the ropes in the office for the better part of a decade til we throw them at a crack den.

 

[Reaper]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way... 15 years... To Destroy a guy who is one of the "Good One's".....

I see he can get much less, I still think it's ridiculous...

How exactly is this guy one of the good ones?

While Akai Gurley didn't deserve to die, he had been arrested 24 times and convicted of selling crack/cocaine multiple times. I think in comparison of the two, one could be defined as good and the other as bad.

One wanted to uphold the law, serve and protect, and the other was a drug dealer. One = good, one = bad.

Again, don't misconstrue my comments, the guy didn't deserve to die, but this was an accident, a tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Again, don't misconstrue my comments, the guy didn't deserve to die, but this was an accident, a tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

But in the eyes of the law some "accidents" have ramifications.

 

[Reaper]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way...

It's not "either way"...manslaughter is based on negligence, not intent.

I want to naturally side with the police here, because it's a difficult and mostly thankless job - but he did kill an innocent man based on his incompetence and his actions after the accident are really not defensible.

I do hope that he sees less than 15 years though.

I just don't see a Crime committed here - I see a tragic unfortunate accident by a person who dedicated and committed his life to protecting people and entering situations that most of us would never want to be anywhere near.....

Unfortunate that a Life was lost on an accidentally fired rebound bullet... Also unfortunate that we lost a protector and someone willing to do our dirty work...

 

[fantasycurse42]

Again, don't misconstrue my comments, the guy didn't deserve to die, but this was an accident, a tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

But in the eyes of the law some "accidents" have ramifications.

There is a line between accident and negligence. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say this case is somewhere in the middle.

Say I'm on a highway doing 57 in a 45, I'm being negligent of the speed limit, a deer jumps out in front of my car and I have to swirve... I hit a car and the other driver dies. Yes, I was over the speed limit, could this be considered manslaughter? By definition, I guess it could, but IMO, that would just be a tragic accident.

 

[SacramentoBob]

An unlikeable person died, so it's okay. Got it.

 

[Cjw_55106]

He royally screwed up by not offering aid immediately and calling his boss through an unrecorded line.

He performs CPR and gets an ambulance there immediately, maybe he's not guilty and maybe Gurley doesn't die.

I lean towards the thin blue line, but don't mind this verdict. He made a lot of mistakes.

Those things have nothing to do with guilt.....

It was an accident, not murder..... Pretty absurd to lock someone up who dedicated himself to protecting ppl and took on the job to patrol the most dangerous corners of the city.

Thanks Obama.

he was guilty of manslaughter not murder

Either way...

It's not "either way"...manslaughter is based on negligence, not intent.

I want to naturally side with the police here, because it's a difficult and mostly thankless job - but he did kill an innocent man based on his incompetence and his actions after the accident are really not defensible.

I do hope that he sees less than 15 years though.

I just don't see a Crime committed here - I see a tragic unfortunate accident by a person who dedicated and committed his life to protecting people and entering situations that most of us would never want to be anywhere near.....

Unfortunate that a Life was lost on an accidentally fired rebound bullet... Also unfortunate that we lost a protector and someone willing to do our dirty work...

Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Involuntary manslaughter is the unlawful killing of another human being without intent. The absence of the intent element is the essential difference between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. Also in most states, involuntary manslaughter does not result from a heat of passion but from an improper use of reasonable care or skill while in the commission of a lawful act or while in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to a felony.

 

[Cjw_55106]

An unlikeable person died, so it's okay. Got it.

You are either fishing or obtuse.

 

[fantasycurse42]

An unlikeable person died, so it's okay. Got it.

If you got that from anywhere in these comments from anyone, we might be reading different threads.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Again, don't misconstrue my comments, the guy didn't deserve to die, but this was an accident, a tragic accident, but an accident nonetheless.

But in the eyes of the law some "accidents" have ramifications.

There is a line between accident and negligence. I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say this case is somewhere in the middle.

Say I'm on a highway doing 57 in a 45, I'm being negligent of the speed limit, a deer jumps out in front of my car and I have to swirve... I hit a car and the other driver dies. Yes, I was over the speed limit, could this be considered manslaughter? By definition, I guess it could, but IMO, that would just be a tragic accident.

Admittedly, it is.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Thank god Gurley ran into one of the good cops.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

Several thoughts...

-Why is a rookie cop doing that job? Maybe that is rookie work.

-I'm sure at some point the police were begged by the law abiding citizens stuck in these homes to please help them and encouraged the police to patrol their buildings. The police should have a new policy of not patrolling these buildings unless called for an emergency. I would bet that will start to happen and then they will be blamed for increases in crime.

-If people were law abiding citizens we wouldn't need police officers so let's not try and act like all citizens are angels because they are not.

-Lot of jewelry on daddy there, what line of work was he in to be able to afford all that gold while raising a 2 year old in government housing? I must have been doing it wrong all these years.

-This guy should have never been a police officer. Not sure what part of NY this guy is from but he looks weak and incapable of that job.

-They shouldn't let anyone under 30 be an actual police officer. Desk work for the guys and gal in their 20s until they learn what it is really all about.

WTF? This has nothing to do with anything, how do you know the value of said jewelry?

 

[Chadstroma]

Sad case overall. No one wins here (though I am sure the family will get a nice big paycheck from the city).

One thing that I think is ever more likely is that it will harder and harder to recruit for police. Here in Chicago, a first year officer makes almost $100K a year after their initial probationary period and that is just pay and not other generous benefits. Coming from someone that wanted to do LAPD Reserve back when I lived there.... that is not nearly enough for me to put up with all a cop has to deal with before the world started going crazy but now? Hell no. They are being asked to do everything perfectly every time in the most difficult of situations where their lives are constantly in danger. Now every move, every decision, every word- everything about you is scrutinized by a public that is clueless. Honest mistakes or accidents can send you to jail for 15 years and if you kill someone who attacks you with a knife or are unarmed- it does not matter what the circumstances are- you are a marked man. No one waits for any evidence or to try to find out what happened these days. They just want to know two things: What race was the cop and what race was the individual killed. As a white guy there is no way you could pay me enough to be a cop in a major metro area.

 

[Reaper]

Thank god Gurley ran into one of the good cops.

I never said he was a Good Cop..... I have doubts about that...

From what I read tho, He was a Good person! - from a good hardworking upbringing who wanted to Help and Serve People.

IMO, his heart and intentions were Good.... Just very unfortunate.

 

[whoknew]

Is there any evidence that its harder to get cops now than before we held a couple accountable for killing innocent people? And even if it is, isn't that a pretty fair tradeoff?

 

[shadyridr]

Sad case overall. No one wins here (though I am sure the family will get a nice big paycheck from the city).

One thing that I think is ever more likely is that it will harder and harder to recruit for police. Here in Chicago, a first year officer makes almost $100K a year after their initial probationary period and that is just pay and not other generous benefits. Coming from someone that wanted to do LAPD Reserve back when I lived there.... that is not nearly enough for me to put up with all a cop has to deal with before the world started going crazy but now? Hell no. They are being asked to do everything perfectly every time in the most difficult of situations where their lives are constantly in danger. Now every move, every decision, every word- everything about you is scrutinized by a public that is clueless. Honest mistakes or accidents can send you to jail for 15 years and if you kill someone who attacks you with a knife or are unarmed- it does not matter what the circumstances are- you are a marked man. No one waits for any evidence or to try to find out what happened these days. They just want to know two things: What race was the cop and what race was the individual killed. As a white guy there is no way you could pay me enough to be a cop in a major metro area.

$100k? Rookie cops in NYPD make in the 40s

 

[fantasycurse42]

Sad case overall. No one wins here (though I am sure the family will get a nice big paycheck from the city).

One thing that I think is ever more likely is that it will harder and harder to recruit for police. Here in Chicago, a first year officer makes almost $100K a year after their initial probationary period and that is just pay and not other generous benefits. Coming from someone that wanted to do LAPD Reserve back when I lived there.... that is not nearly enough for me to put up with all a cop has to deal with before the world started going crazy but now? Hell no. They are being asked to do everything perfectly every time in the most difficult of situations where their lives are constantly in danger. Now every move, every decision, every word- everything about you is scrutinized by a public that is clueless. Honest mistakes or accidents can send you to jail for 15 years and if you kill someone who attacks you with a knife or are unarmed- it does not matter what the circumstances are- you are a marked man. No one waits for any evidence or to try to find out what happened these days. They just want to know two things: What race was the cop and what race was the individual killed. As a white guy there is no way you could pay me enough to be a cop in a major metro area.

$100k? Rookie cops in NYPD make in the 40s

Yea, that doesn't sound right, how can that be possible?

 

[shadyridr]

Most people who become cops in NYC are because they cant hack it as anything else. They are the dumb jocks in school that cant bully anybody anymore so they go out and get a license to carry a gun.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Most people who become cops in NYC are because they cant hack it as anything else. They are the dumb jocks in school that cant bully anybody anymore so they go out and get a license to carry a gun.

Have you taken a survey?

 

[Chadstroma]

Sad case overall. No one wins here (though I am sure the family will get a nice big paycheck from the city).

One thing that I think is ever more likely is that it will harder and harder to recruit for police. Here in Chicago, a first year officer makes almost $100K a year after their initial probationary period and that is just pay and not other generous benefits. Coming from someone that wanted to do LAPD Reserve back when I lived there.... that is not nearly enough for me to put up with all a cop has to deal with before the world started going crazy but now? Hell no. They are being asked to do everything perfectly every time in the most difficult of situations where their lives are constantly in danger. Now every move, every decision, every word- everything about you is scrutinized by a public that is clueless. Honest mistakes or accidents can send you to jail for 15 years and if you kill someone who attacks you with a knife or are unarmed- it does not matter what the circumstances are- you are a marked man. No one waits for any evidence or to try to find out what happened these days. They just want to know two things: What race was the cop and what race was the individual killed. As a white guy there is no way you could pay me enough to be a cop in a major metro area.

$100k? Rookie cops in NYPD make in the 40s

Yea, that doesn't sound right, how can that be possible?

Yea, that was my mistake.

$46K right away. Jumps to $66K after 12 months. $70K in 18 months. $74K in 30 months. $77K in 42 months.... keeps increasing to $96K after 30 years of service. That is for the basic officer. More for other postions, command staff, etc. Not nearly enough for me in a city like Chicago.

 

[Chadstroma]

Most people who become cops in NYC are because they cant hack it as anything else. They are the dumb jocks in school that cant bully anybody anymore so they go out and get a license to carry a gun.

I can't speak of NYC cops but in Chicago and LA I have met a number of cops and I would not describe them in that way at all.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Most people who become cops in NYC are because they cant hack it as anything else. They are the dumb jocks in school that cant bully anybody anymore so they go out and get a license to carry a gun.

Well you just can't argue with facts like this.