Peyton Manning tossed 5 TD the last 3 weeks to the other team (1 Viewer)

[maxwelledison]

I also think that only one team's fan base is so bizarrely obsessed with absurd, blinded-by-loyalty failed "comparisons" of the two that it makes most previously unbiased observers, myself included, hate them and their team and root unabashedly for their failure.

You'd be wrong.

People hate the Colts because their almost all of their fans seem to be obsessed with poorly reasoned comparisons between Manning and Brady owing to an inexplicable deep-seated need to "prove" Manning's superiority?I haven't come across too many Colts fans like this, but maybe they're out there.

Most Colts fans I know could care less about Brady or the Pats, unless they are playing each other that week. Rarely do I hear, or read an article, on the Colts end about how Manning stacks up against Brady. As posted earlier, if you want to use this board as a microcosm, in this thread the top 5 posters include one pro-Manning Colts fan, and 3 pro-Brady Pats fans. That's from what I've seen, a fair representation of what goes on IRL. If either team has fans obsessed with making comparisons it is the Pats.

I know quite a few Colts fans and my experience is directly counter to the one you describe. If they aren't talking about "18" (what they call him) they are ripping Brady, Belichick or both. I have no dog in this fight but to me which guy you prefer comes down to worldview as they are both HOFers and on the short list for greatest of all time. If you are a Manning guy you generally like stats and downplay the shortcomings of that view. If you are a Brady guy you generally like championships and downplay the shortcomings of that angle. I happen to be a championship guy so I lean that way. It doesn't mean I don't think Manning is a great, great player. I do. But I also have seen him pout and furrow his brow when things aren't operating exactly as planned. IMO, that is part of leadership and that's where Brady has a significant edge. That opinion is supported by many things I've read about Brady around the locker room and in the huddle. I know for some that is unquantifiable so it doesn't exist. That is a point we will have to agree to disagree on because nobody will ever convince me of that and I assume the reverse is true.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I know quite a few Colts fans and my experience is directly counter to the one you describe. If they aren't talking about "18" (what they call him) they are ripping Brady, Belichick or both.

This is interesting to me. I haven't had that experience. I guess I really can only speak to my experience, which is certainly far more exposure to fans of the east coast and mid-Atlantic teams- mostly just NFC and AFC South and AFC Central- than the rest of the league.Anyway, it is interesting that the fans I've met of the Patriots (and, if what you say is true, of the Colts as well) so often feel the need to put the other guy down. I don't recall Boston fans needing to trash Magic or L.A. fans needing to trash Larry, to choose one example of all-time greats at their peak at roughly the same time. Maybe they would have if the internet had been around back then.

 

[switz]

I know quite a few Colts fans and my experience is directly counter to the one you describe. If they aren't talking about "18" (what they call him) they are ripping Brady, Belichick or both.

I'm thinking you know a small group of friends who like the Colts, but are not the typical Colts fan. No one, and I mean no one, I know of that is a Colts fan, and there are a lot, calls Peyton Manning 18.

 

[switz]

That lousy P. Garcon guy looked alright last night. A coupld TDs.Steamrolled two would be tacklers before streaking down the sideline on another catch.Wayne and Garcon...pretty good tandem.There's one less excuse for the recent Manning slide.KY

LOL, yes, we're to believe Garcon would be able to do that anywhere else. That Garcon is just a phenomenal talent every team, including the Colts, missed on mutiple times in the draft. This is why people have a hard time taking anything Pats fans say seriously.

 

[kyoun1e]

That lousy P. Garcon guy looked alright last night. A coupld TDs.Steamrolled two would be tacklers before streaking down the sideline on another catch.Wayne and Garcon...pretty good tandem.There's one less excuse for the recent Manning slide.KY

LOL, yes, we're to believe Garcon would be able to do that anywhere else. That Garcon is just a phenomenal talent every team, including the Colts, missed on mutiple times in the draft. This is why people have a hard time taking anything Pats fans say seriously.

Why are you so focused on where players are drafted?Garcon was drafted as a raw talent with suberb size and speed.That size and speed was on display last night when he basically just ran over two guys, quickly accelerated, and sprinted for a 40+ yard gain.The point is this: He's no bum. He's a weapon.Now just to show you I'm a nice guy, I will give you Manning fans this...Blair White, a rookie, cost Manning a TD. KY

 

[switz]

That lousy P. Garcon guy looked alright last night. A coupld TDs.Steamrolled two would be tacklers before streaking down the sideline on another catch.Wayne and Garcon...pretty good tandem.There's one less excuse for the recent Manning slide.KY

LOL, yes, we're to believe Garcon would be able to do that anywhere else. That Garcon is just a phenomenal talent every team, including the Colts, missed on mutiple times in the draft. This is why people have a hard time taking anything Pats fans say seriously.

Why are you so focused on where players are drafted?Garcon was drafted as a raw talent with suberb size and speed.That size and speed was on display last night when he basically just ran over two guys, quickly accelerated, and sprinted for a 40+ yard gain.The point is this: He's no bum. He's a weapon.Now just to show you I'm a nice guy, I will give you Manning fans this...Blair White, a rookie, cost Manning a TD. KY

So you are admitting Manning can take raw WRs and turn them into superstars? Awesome.Too bad Brady can't do that, which is why NE had to bring in Moss and Welker for Brady to put up stats.

 

[kyoun1e]

That lousy P. Garcon guy looked alright last night. A coupld TDs.Steamrolled two would be tacklers before streaking down the sideline on another catch.Wayne and Garcon...pretty good tandem.There's one less excuse for the recent Manning slide.KY

LOL, yes, we're to believe Garcon would be able to do that anywhere else. That Garcon is just a phenomenal talent every team, including the Colts, missed on mutiple times in the draft. This is why people have a hard time taking anything Pats fans say seriously.

Why are you so focused on where players are drafted?Garcon was drafted as a raw talent with suberb size and speed.That size and speed was on display last night when he basically just ran over two guys, quickly accelerated, and sprinted for a 40+ yard gain.The point is this: He's no bum. He's a weapon.Now just to show you I'm a nice guy, I will give you Manning fans this...Blair White, a rookie, cost Manning a TD. KY

So you are admitting Manning can take raw WRs and turn them into superstars? Awesome.Too bad Brady can't do that, which is why NE had to bring in Moss and Welker for Brady to put up stats.

Um...not exactly. Do me a favor...list all of Indy's WRs the last ten years and then list all of NEs.Let's see what list is more impressive.Don't bother. I know what the answer is.I'm pretty sure if Brady can get to the AFC Championship with Reche Caldwell he could probably make Garcon and White perennial All Pros.Another feable in a losing debate to twist words.KY

 

[Ghost Rider]

So you are admitting Manning can take raw WRs and turn them into superstars? Awesome.Too bad Brady can't do that, which is why NE had to bring in Moss and Welker for Brady to put up stats.

How are Brady's stats this year looking without Moss and with a gimpy Welker (who is a product of the NE system moreso than anything else)?

 

[Pots]

That lousy P. Garcon guy looked alright last night. A coupld TDs.Steamrolled two would be tacklers before streaking down the sideline on another catch.Wayne and Garcon...pretty good tandem.There's one less excuse for the recent Manning slide.KY

LOL, yes, we're to believe Garcon would be able to do that anywhere else. That Garcon is just a phenomenal talent every team, including the Colts, missed on mutiple times in the draft. This is why people have a hard time taking anything Pats fans say seriously.

Why are you so focused on where players are drafted?Garcon was drafted as a raw talent with suberb size and speed.That size and speed was on display last night when he basically just ran over two guys, quickly accelerated, and sprinted for a 40+ yard gain.The point is this: He's no bum. He's a weapon.Now just to show you I'm a nice guy, I will give you Manning fans this...Blair White, a rookie, cost Manning a TD. KY

So you are admitting Manning can take raw WRs and turn them into superstars? Awesome.Too bad Brady can't do that, which is why NE had to bring in Moss and Welker for Brady to put up stats.

Um...not exactly. Do me a favor...list all of Indy's WRs the last ten years and then list all of NEs.Let's see what list is more impressive.Don't bother. I know what the answer is.I'm pretty sure if Brady can get to the AFC Championship with Reche Caldwell he could probably make Garcon and White perennial All Pros.Another feable in a losing debate to twist words.KY

You aren't very good at debates.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

I challenge TF, MOP and or anyone else to find a Manning denigrator/Brady pimper that is anywhere near as dedicated and relentless to the opposite cause as Switz (I love ya Switzy!) has been for the last several years. You will not find one......................It's all good afaiac, but there is no anti Switz, at least not one as dedicated and passionate about the cause (imho).

So for accusing me of jumping into Pats thread after Pats thread to denigrate Brady (which is overblown imagination and exaggeration) to suggesting that there's no Pats fan remotely close to doing that in and Manning/Colts thread...

Interestingly in THIS thread, clearly about Manning, and not Pats/Brady related, I submit at this moment the top 5 posters consist of:

Me -pro Manning

Bostonfred - pro Brady

KY - pro Brady

--- a big drop off in # of posts ---

CalBear - neutral

NE_REVIVAL - pro Brady

I'd say it's pretty funny to act like there's no one like me on the Pats side. Bostonfred is definitely as prone if not moreso than I am to turn any Brady or Manning thread into a Brady/Manning debate. KY is a relative newcomer, but he's making great strides at surpassing both Fred and myself.

And I love you too NE_R'y

I will say this, for those that don't get it. I've got tons of respect for both NR_REVIVAL and bostonfred. They are both fun to debate with, and nothing is ever personal between us. It's all in good fun, and I'd have a beer with either of them any day of the week - heck, I'd even watch a Pats vs. Colts playoff game with them.

Ok, maybe I slightly exagerated a bit there, BF is as staunch a Brady pimp Manning disser as you are as I am occassionally. However, I do believe you are much more proactive about it. You and I both know we have been battling for several years and also you have to consider the trolls. Lots of posters who claim they are only NE haters because NE's fans are obnoxious and yet they post in NE threads looking for trolling oportunities. The haters love to hate (jealousy because NE is relevant) and they do not need provoking to do so. Mored often than not it is the haters who send threads down the toilet. A short example of what I mean by your being more proactive ( you know you have many post over many years).

Switz Topics

Brady throws team under bus

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...51&hl=brady

Are Brady’s Excuses gone

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...50&hl=brady

Yes to be fair, BF does have a trash Manning thread -

BF Topic – Did Manning choke v Patriots

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&hl=manning

Pats interested in Vincent Jackson – Switz out of the blue says Brady obviously in decline

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=12402961

Below is the Brady spotlight thread and the Manning spotlight thread. You were the 2nd poster to post in the Brady thread and of course you were down on Brady; we also have have the obligatory troll who chimes in at the end of the Brady thread. Nothing in the Manning thread.

Brady Spotlight thread

Switz

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=11866120

Troll

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=12093087

Manning spotlight thread

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=manning+player

Brady Close to an extension

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...&p=12262869

Anyway, I might have been a bit hyperbolic with my initial claim, but it certainly is not without merit. I don't see Manning getting attacked nearly as often (except in defense of those dissing Brady).

 

[kyoun1e]

You aren't very good at adding any value to the discussion.So you're neither good nor bad. Your on the sideline making pot shots like a wuss.Bring it.KY

 

[Warrior]

I really think Manning is the better QB, but I lol'd at the guy who said Brady needed superstars like Moss and WES WELKER to help him put up numbers/wins.

Seriously? Wes Welker? The guy who even Miami didn't want? Who was he before Brady?

Ok, back to praising Peyton after my short devils advocate switcheroo...