Peyton Manning (1 Viewer)

[Billy1x]

1 - Manning runs the team and always has (just ask anyone who watched any weekly practice before he got hurt)

2 - Manning is NOT going on IR no matter what anyone thinks including the owner

3 - Manning is NOT an injury risk playing this year - Period

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.

Manning is jogging now and will start throwing shortly.

SO

Manning will be the starting Colts QB for sure in playoff weeks 13-16!

Where do you all rank (for the playoffs):

Dallas Clark

Reggie Wayne

Austin Collies

Forget Garcon for now. Unless things change, Garcon is 4th in Manning's food chain.

 

[duaneok66]

the "popcorn" is still in the package - on the shelf.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

1 - Manning runs the team and always has (just ask anyone who watched any weekly practice before he got hurt)

2 - Manning is NOT going on IR no matter what anyone thinks including the owner

3 - Manning is NOT an injury risk playing this year - Period

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.Manning is jogging now and will start throwing shortly.

SO

Manning will be the starting Colts QB for sure in playoff weeks 13-16!

Where do you all rank (for the playoffs):

Dallas Clark

Reggie Wayne

Austin Collies

Forget Garcon for now. Unless things change, Garcon is 4th in Manning's food chain.

 

[David Yudkin]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

If the Colts are 0-12, why would Manning comeback this season? Give me one good reason?

 

[Ghost Rider]

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.Manning is jogging now and will start throwing shortly.

 

[Gopher State]

1 - Manning runs the team and always has (just ask anyone who watched any weekly practice before he got hurt)

2 - Manning is NOT going on IR no matter what anyone thinks including the owner

3 - Manning is NOT an injury risk playing this year - Period

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.Manning is jogging now and will start throwing shortly.

SO

Manning will be the starting Colts QB for sure in playoff weeks 13-16!

Where do you all rank (for the playoffs):

Dallas Clark

Reggie Wayne

Austin Collies

Forget Garcon for now. Unless things change, Garcon is 4th in Manning's food chain.

x2

 

[DollaDIllz]

John Cena killed this thread before it began.

 

[Billy1x]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

Good question and I agree they aren't going to the playoffs. But if they truly were thinking that I believe they would already have put him on IR and filled his roster spot with another player. Unless I'm mistaken he is on the Active player list and taking up one of the 53 roster spots. If it were me he would be on IR but I just don't see it happening at this point. Peyton doesn't want to stand around on the sideline and I really believe he has a lot to say about it. Even the owner is sounding a lot more positive than he previously was.Only time will tell but I believe he is going to play - but the key point I guess I was trying to get at (maybe a little early) is what value the three players mentioned players above will have?

 

[Billy1x]

John Cena killed this thread before it began.

Sorry about that. It was one example described in an article by Stephania Bell.

 

[netnalp]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value.

I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.

P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62? They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball. It's like fights in movies.

 

[Saint]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.

I can't see the Colts trading Manning anytime soon. The guy is the face of their franchise. If the Colts are in contention for drafting Luck, the best thing they do is draft him and have him sit behind Manning.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

Good question and I agree they aren't going to the playoffs. But if they truly were thinking that I believe they would already have put him on IR and filled his roster spot with another player. Unless I'm mistaken he is on the Active player list and taking up one of the 53 roster spots. If it were me he would be on IR but I just don't see it happening at this point. Peyton doesn't want to stand around on the sideline and I really believe he has a lot to say about it. Even the owner is sounding a lot more positive than he previously was.Only time will tell but I believe he is going to play - but the key point I guess I was trying to get at (maybe a little early) is what value the three players mentioned players above will have?

Do you really think putting Peyton on IR and adding one player's gonna turn the season around? They are the leading candidate for "Suck for Luck" sweepstakes and they wanna keep it that way.

 

[Raider Nation]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

If the Colts are 0-12, why would Manning comeback this season? Give me one good reason?

Jim Irsay addressed this question two weeks ago:

Irsay said doctors haven't ruled out a return this year for Manning, and if the medical and coaching staffs believe the quarterback could come back late in the season to spur momentum into 2012, he could take the field.

 

[thayman]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

 

[Billy1x]

Oops! Forgot one thing. Manning had lost feeling in his arm due to some nerve damage and that may be the one thing that keeps him from playing. Structurally he should be good to go but if the numbness doesn't go away then my story doesn't hold water.

Unfortunately, that's one piece of information that I don't see forth coming any time soon.

 

[netnalp]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

Best case scenerio for the Colts.

They go 0-16

Get Luck

Manning comes back fully healthy for 2012

Manning plays for 3 more years

Luck becomes the starting QB after being a sponge for 3 years under Manning

Luck takes them to the playoffs

Luck is the franchise QB for the next decade and that's all she wrote...

 

[Sarnoff]

Peyton Manning should be eligible for this year's MVP award, he's proving his true worth every week.

 

[netnalp]

Oops! Forgot one thing. Manning had lost feeling in his arm due to some nerve damage and that may be the thing that keeps him from playing. Structurally he should be good to go but if the numbness doesn't go away then my story doesn't hold water.Unfortunately, that's one piece of information that I don't see forth coming any time soon.

ON ESPN, the show before Audibles, they said that the nerves are nearly healed and it's the natural fusing process that needs to occur now.

 

[thayman]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

 

[Jerry Lawler]

Given the Colts' secrecy and our lack of information about what's going on, I'm surprised how much certainty there is in this thread. While the most likely scenario is that the Colts don't get the top pick, and Manning comes back next year to make his comeback attempt, I would be hard pressed to rule out any of the following scenarios in the next 6 months:

Manning plays the last few games of this season - keep in mind that a player has a very limited window of time in which he can professionally play the game he loves and has trained for his entire adult life. If he's healthy enough, I don't see why he wouldn't want to do it. Whether he truly has the influence to convince the club to put him out there to play out the string is another question. It's also relevant that Manning has little motivation to assist the Colts in getting his replacement.

Manning gets traded - Not likely since he saved football in Indianapolis, but if the Colts somehow got the opportunity to draft Luck, there's a strong argument to be made that 12-15 years of Luck is more valuable than 3-4 years of Manning with significantly less arm strength than he had before the nerve damage. Manning makes a lot of money, but a team like the Jets or 49ers could reasonably view him as the last piece of a championship team. Several players might even be willing to restructure contracts for a championship run.

Colts trade the 1st pick - A team who wants to blow up everything could send a few veterans and picks to the Colts and start building around Luck.

Of course, the Colts will probably win a couple of games and miss out on the first pick, but I think even the unthinkable scenarios are plausible at this point. Things are playing out in very odd ways.

 

[Scrappy Doo]

Bump John Cena

 

[Jerry Lawler]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

Maybe things change if they draft Luck, but Manning has traditionally taken almost all of the practice reps with the first team. Some are concerned that Luck's progress would be hindered by lacking reps during his first few years.

 

[Raider Nation]

Phil Simms doesn't think Manning will "let" the Colts draft Luck, even if they are in position to.

Phil Simms, on Showtime's Inside the NFL airing Wednesday (9 p.m. ET), says Peyton Manning will decide if the Indianapolis Colts want Stanford's Andrew Luck. Simms says, forget what Colts owner Jim Irsay thinks. Simms says, "There is no way if Peyton Manning is given a clean bill of health -- I'm going to go on that assumption -- that he is going to let them draft Andrew Luck." Partly, Simms suggests, that's because Manning might then find it hard to keep his job: "In this day and age, even with Peyton Manning, people would be crying, 'We've got to see Andrew Luck.' "

 

[netnalp]

Best case scenerio for the Colts.They go 0-16Get LuckManning comes back fully healthy for 2012Manning plays for 3 more yearsLuck becomes the starting QB after being a sponge for 3 years under ManningLuck takes them to the playoffsLuck is the franchise QB for the next decade and that's all she wrote...

Better yet would be:Have the #1 pick locked up with an 2-14 record. The two wins coming from Peyton playing the last two games, showing no ill effects, putting up huge numbers.Trade Manning. Probably won't get Palmer type trade but a 2nd or 3rd and a later pick might do it.Start Luck and he's the next great Colt QB.

 

[jackdubl]

Manning is the best QB in football. A team with QB like that doesn't go to the next QB until that QB is absolutely ready to win. Take Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers as examples. NOBODY replaces a championship, hall of fame QB who can play with an unproven guy, rookie or not, no matter how talented the guy is. NOBODY.

 

[netnalp]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

If he renegotiates, isn't the system still that the Colts would have to pick up the difference for the guaranteed money? If Luck is as good as advertised, you don't sit a QB of that caliber, especially when Peyton could play for 5 more years. As Simms said, the concept of the vet mentoring the young player is vastly overrated by the press and general public.

 

[thayman]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

If he renegotiates, isn't the system still that the Colts would have to pick up the difference for the guaranteed money? If Luck is as good as advertised, you don't sit a QB of that caliber, especially when Peyton could play for 5 more years. As Simms said, the concept of the vet mentoring the young player is vastly overrated by the press and general public.

The concept of a rookie sitting isn't overrated, it completly depends on the QB coming into the leauge and you would be hard pressed to find a situation where a rookie QB sat for a year or two and it hurt his development.

 

[thayman]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

Maybe things change if they draft Luck, but Manning has traditionally taken almost all of the practice reps with the first team. Some are concerned that Luck's progress would be hindered by lacking reps during his first few years.

Who are these "some" you speak of?

 

[netnalp]

Manning is the best QB in football. A team with QB like that doesn't go to the next QB until that QB is absolutely ready to win. Take Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers as examples. NOBODY replaces a championship, hall of fame QB who can play with an unproven guy, rookie or not, no matter how talented the guy is. NOBODY.

Easy to say, not many teams have had two Hall of Fame QBs on the roster and of those that have, how many of those backups were the #1 overall pick. The replacing of an aging veteran player comes down the amount of confidence the coaches, GM & owner have in the younger player. Almost NOBODY gives up their entire draft for one pick, but Ditka did. Young was #1 overall for the supplemental draft, an that was by Tampa. The Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust, and he was traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987, to serve as a backup to Joe Montana. The Buccaneers received 2nd and 4th round draft picks in the trade, which they used to draft Miami linebacker Winston Moss, and Arizona State wide receiver Bruce Hill, respectively. Young would spend the final 13 years of his career with the 49ers, a stint during which he would become one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history, and earn membership in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame in 2005.

Brees lost his job to an early pick. Brees had struggled early and the injury thing but he was replaced.

 

[netnalp]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

If he renegotiates, isn't the system still that the Colts would have to pick up the difference for the guaranteed money? If Luck is as good as advertised, you don't sit a QB of that caliber, especially when Peyton could play for 5 more years. As Simms said, the concept of the vet mentoring the young player is vastly overrated by the press and general public.

The concept of a rookie sitting isn't overrated, it completly depends on the QB coming into the leauge and you would be hard pressed to find a situation where a rookie QB sat for a year or two and it hurt his development.

Hurt development? Probably not, it's unlikely they'd get worse.The question is does that sitting help? Can't really prove that. I'd say Steve young it helped. But if Luck is legit, I believe there's only so much he can learn from sitting and he'd be a better QB if he plays his first 2-4 years than if he sits for them. Hard to adjust to game speed on the bench.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1 - Manning runs the team and always has (just ask anyone who watched any weekly practice before he got hurt)2 - Manning is NOT going on IR no matter what anyone thinks including the owner3 - Manning is NOT an injury risk playing this year - Period...

And in response:1. The Colts will have competition in the Phins for the No. 1 pick and it will go down to the wire. Manning would probably kill their chances at a replacement future franchise QB. Pittsburgh passed on Marino; they only regretted that for oh say the next 20 years.2. Ok, Manning won't go on IR. Fine. You're Irsay Jr., now imagine the fans' reaction when (regardless of the injury, it could just happen) Manning gets hit in a random fashion, he crumples to the ground, goes out on a cart and you can explain why you just put the health and career of Johnny U II Mr. Hall Of Famer on the line for a 1-12 team. Now.... GO.3. Let's say that's true. See Nos. 1 and 2; anything could happen. Let's say Manning is 100% healthy, ready to go. He could still get hurt.... for absolutely nothing.Or Manning can get 1.5 months extra rest with absolutely no injury risk (from his neck or otherwise).About No. 3, Manning went to Japan for stem cell therapy, somehow I think that means this is a more serious injury an he was seeking something more powerful, radical, effective.http://theweek.com/article/index/219514/how-safe-is-peyton-mannings-stem-cell-therapyAlso - I saw him pretty up close at the Saints game and I was not the only one who thought/commented he did not exactly look game ready or in game shape. It's one thing for his neck to get better, it's another to get ready to play NFL football at age 30-something.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

1) Because he wants to play football. It's his passion.2) He doesn't want almost 2 years in between taking snaps and playing in NFL games to pass.

 

[netnalp]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

1) Because he wants to play football. It's his passion.2) He doesn't want almost 2 years in between taking snaps and playing in NFL games to pass.

Peyton doesn't have final say on whether or not he goes on IR. The Colts will do what's best for the team. I think Manning only plays if the #1 pick is locked up and Peyton is 100%. #1 pick isn't essential since there are other very, very good QBs in this coming draft.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why would the Colts risk bringing back Manning this year? They are obviously not going to make the playoffs.

1) Because he wants to play football. It's his passion.2) He doesn't want almost 2 years in between taking snaps and playing in NFL games to pass.

Peyton doesn't have final say on whether or not he goes on IR. The Colts will do what's best for the team. I think Manning only plays if the #1 pick is locked up and Peyton is 100%.

He only plays if he is 100%... and their are no issues of him playing in regards to his neck.

 

[Big_Russel]

Manning is the best QB in football.

No he isn't.

 

[DoubleG]

Oops! Forgot one thing. Manning had lost feeling in his arm due to some nerve damage and that may be the one thing that keeps him from playing. Structurally he should be good to go but if the numbness doesn't go away then my story doesn't hold water.Unfortunately, that's one piece of information that I don't see forth coming any time soon.

So basically, what you're saying is this:Manning is coming back for the FF playoffs...unless his neck doesn't heal right - then he isn't.NEWSFLASH: This has been the case for the last 8 weeks. But thanks for trying.

 

[jackdubl]

Manning is the best QB in football. A team with QB like that doesn't go to the next QB until that QB is absolutely ready to win. Take Montana/Young and Favre/Rodgers as examples. NOBODY replaces a championship, hall of fame QB who can play with an unproven guy, rookie or not, no matter how talented the guy is. NOBODY.

Easy to say, not many teams have had two Hall of Fame QBs on the roster and of those that have, how many of those backups were the #1 overall pick. The replacing of an aging veteran player comes down the amount of confidence the coaches, GM & owner have in the younger player. Almost NOBODY gives up their entire draft for one pick, but Ditka did. Young was #1 overall for the supplemental draft, an that was by Tampa. The Buccaneers selected University of Miami quarterback Vinny Testaverde first overall in the 1987 NFL Draft because Young was deemed a bust, and he was traded to the San Francisco 49ers on April 24, 1987, to serve as a backup to Joe Montana. The Buccaneers received 2nd and 4th round draft picks in the trade, which they used to draft Miami linebacker Winston Moss, and Arizona State wide receiver Bruce Hill, respectively. Young would spend the final 13 years of his career with the 49ers, a stint during which he would become one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history, and earn membership in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame in 2005.

Brees lost his job to an early pick. Brees had struggled early and the injury thing but he was replaced.

It's a nice attempt, and good info, but none of those examples are really on point, are they? Especially the Brees example. Rivers was ready to go after riding the bench for several seasons, and Brees wasn't Brees yet. Championship caliber, hall of fame QBs don't get replaced by unproven talent while they can still play. Just doesn't happen. No way they dump Peyton for Luck. They may draft Luck and bench him, but the other scenario just doesn't happen.

 

[thayman]

I could see Manning wanting to play so he can show that he is able to play after the surgery just in case the Colts are in a spot to draft Luck. The Colts might want him to play if they have the #1 pick locked up and believe it will increase Peyton's trade value. I could also see them putting Peyton on IR if they don't have the #1 pick locked up, so he doesn't go in and win a couple of games causing them to lose out.P.S. A participant in fake wrestling isn't a good example. How athletic do you need to be when a guy like Rick Flair can still participate at age 62. They can script it so it's about as strenuous as backyard basketball.

He wont get traded. Not with that contract.

He can always renegotiate. Teams will still pay a big contract if he shows he's fine after the surgery. Thus, a good reason to play him if he's able to do so at a high level and the team has the pick needed to get Luck.

Why would he? He just signed it. Not to mention the fact that if the Colts did end up drafting Luck the best thing for all involved would be to have him play behind Manning for a few years.

If he renegotiates, isn't the system still that the Colts would have to pick up the difference for the guaranteed money? If Luck is as good as advertised, you don't sit a QB of that caliber, especially when Peyton could play for 5 more years. As Simms said, the concept of the vet mentoring the young player is vastly overrated by the press and general public.

The concept of a rookie sitting isn't overrated, it completly depends on the QB coming into the leauge and you would be hard pressed to find a situation where a rookie QB sat for a year or two and it hurt his development.

Hurt development? Probably not, it's unlikely they'd get worse.The question is does that sitting help? Can't really prove that. I'd say Steve young it helped. But if Luck is legit, I believe there's only so much he can learn from sitting and he'd be a better QB if he plays his first 2-4 years than if he sits for them. Hard to adjust to game speed on the bench.

I do agree with you that it depends on the player coach and situation. Either way it will be interesting this off season since it will probably be a case where a team will actually trade up to pick Luck.

 

[ratbast]

With Luck and the rookie salary cap the value of that first pick should be quantified differently than in the past.

Teams will want to trade up.

 

[Dizzy]

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.

Great comparison... Professional wrestling is the most demanding sport in the world. I once saw Andre the Giant wrestle and pin TEN MIDGETS at the Allentown Fair while he was wearing - what appeared to be - a girdle!Back to reality, I hate to be a downer, but my feeling since the summer is that Manning's career may be over. This surgery has forced other players into retirement, Manning is no spring chicken, and talk about a position where you really need to have your head on a swivel. I don't know... I hope he comes back and plays well, but I have serious doubts.

 

[Bri]

Peyton Manning should be eligible for this year's MVP award, he's proving his true worth every week.

totally agree although others like to say he's not a player if he doesn't play

 

[Jake22]

Manning is the best QB in football.

No he isn't.

Said the Packer homer...

 

[loose circuits]

Best case scenerio for the Colts.They go 0-16Get LuckManning comes back fully healthy for 2012Manning plays for 3 more yearsLuck becomes the starting QB after being a sponge for 3 years under ManningLuck takes them to the playoffsLuck is the franchise QB for the next decade and that's all she wrote...

First of all, anyone who has ever played any competitive sport should understand that teams don't think this way. In no way, shape, or form does anyone in the Colts organization want to lose all their games.2nd, if Manning plays 3 more years with Luck sitting he won't be getting any practice reps. Manning hogs every single look in practice because that is his work ethic. Is back-up is basically his own personal research boy because he makes them study tape and do research.3rd, if Luck sits for 3 years the Colts will only have 1 year and then will have to pay him the average of top 10 QB's in the league for the 5th year club option. That is not efficient

 

[The High Priest]

Why wont the Colts put him on IR. That would certianly give the Colts the best chance for Luck...I think Payton has too much pull and wont let them put him on IR..why....In his contract has an clause, NFL.com report says injured QB would receive $1.5 million in termination pay over next two years if he never plays again. I bet if he can be deemed healthy before the end of the year he will play...If I understand the contract right it could mean the diffrence between 3 mill and 90 mill....I dont think Manning wants anyone behind him anyway ....like said before he will take all the reps and I dont think he wants to hear the media/fans wanting Luck to play after every pick/bad play.

 

[netnalp]

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.

Great comparison... Professional wrestling is the most demanding sport in the world. I once saw Andre the Giant wrestle and pin TEN MIDGETS at the Allentown Fair while he was wearing - what appeared to be - a girdle!Back to reality, I hate to be a downer, but my feeling since the summer is that Manning's career may be over. This surgery has forced other players into retirement, Manning is no spring chicken, and talk about a position where you really need to have your head on a swivel. I don't know... I hope he comes back and plays well, but I have serious doubts.

From what I've been hearing from DR.s on the various NFL shows, the fusing procedure is a career saving procedure. Mark Schlereth has mentioned he's know several players that had the procedure and were able to continue playing at a Probowl level. I doubt they'd fuse bones that would prevent him from turning his head.

 

[netnalp]

Why wont the Colts put him on IR. That would certianly give the Colts the best chance for Luck...I think Payton has too much pull and wont let them put him on IR..why....In his contract has an clause, NFL.com report says injured QB would receive $1.5 million in termination pay over next two years if he never plays again. I bet if he can be deemed healthy before the end of the year he will play...If I understand the contract right it could mean the diffrence between 3 mill and 90 mill....I dont think Manning wants anyone behind him anyway ....like said before he will take all the reps and I dont think he wants to hear the media/fans wanting Luck to play after every pick/bad play.

Could be because putting him on IR would cause ticket sales to plummet, they are probably bad with him hurt and would get worse if there was no chance he'll play.

 

[T J]

John Cena (WWE Wrestler) went back in the ring 8 weeks after the same surgery and the doctors estimate an absolute max of 12 weeks for Manning.

Great comparison... Professional wrestling is the most demanding sport in the world. I once saw Andre the Giant wrestle and pin TEN MIDGETS at the Allentown Fair while he was wearing - what appeared to be - a girdle!Back to reality, I hate to be a downer, but my feeling since the summer is that Manning's career may be over. This surgery has forced other players into retirement, Manning is no spring chicken, and talk about a position where you really need to have your head on a swivel. I don't know... I hope he comes back and plays well, but I have serious doubts.

From what I've been hearing from DR.s on the various NFL shows, the fusing procedure is a career saving procedure. Mark Schlereth has mentioned he's know several players that had the procedure and were able to continue playing at a Probowl level. I doubt they'd fuse bones that would prevent him from turning his head.

I've heard this too. Thing is though is that I haven't heard any names. If there are "several" players that have had this procedure, who are they? If there are pro-bowlers, you'd think we'd have heard about it - particularly with Manning's situation being front and center like it has been.

 

[The High Priest]

Why wont the Colts put him on IR. That would certianly give the Colts the best chance for Luck...I think Payton has too much pull and wont let them put him on IR..why....In his contract has an clause, NFL.com report says injured QB would receive $1.5 million in termination pay over next two years if he never plays again. I bet if he can be deemed healthy before the end of the year he will play...If I understand the contract right it could mean the diffrence between 3 mill and 90 mill....I dont think Manning wants anyone behind him anyway ....like said before he will take all the reps and I dont think he wants to hear the media/fans wanting Luck to play after every pick/bad play.

Could be because putting him on IR would cause ticket sales to plummet, they are probably bad with him hurt and would get worse if there was no chance he'll play.

True Dat....No Manning...No Hope!