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PFW: Way We Hear It - Draft Edition (1 Viewer)

Sigmund Bloom

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With less than 10 days to go before the 2008 NFL draft, the phone lines are beginning to ring in team headquarters, and trade scenarios are being discussed.

Typically, there are few teams looking to move up in the top 10, but the way we hear it, the Saints, who have been aggressive targeting players in the Sean Payton era, are expressing interest in moving up.

While they still have a pressing need to fill at cornerback, it is the DT position that they are looking to address early. New DL coach Ed Orgeron has been in attendance at many DT workouts this spring and has personally worked out Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis, whom he helped recruit to the Trojans.

The way we hear it, the Saints feel like they have to climb at least ahead of the Bengals, who are also in great need of a defensive tackle, to have a chance at landing Ellis.

The Chiefs, who have dangled franchise DE Jared Allen on the trading block, remain a strong candidate to make a move down. Carl Peterson's right-hand man Billy Kuharich, who formerly called the shots with Mike Ditka in New Orleans and helped make one of the biggest blockbuster moves in NFL history when he traded the Saints' draft for the right to select RB Ricky Williams, still has strong ties to the Saints' organization and is well-positioned to help arrange another deal. With many pressing needs to fill, the Chiefs are looking to acquire multiple picks and are very interested in moving down in the draft order, so much so that they are considering a move to deal their marquee defensive star, who remains a couple of beers away from a lengthy NFL suspension.

The way we hear it, the first round will likely feature at least one trade from the AFC West, with Denver and San Diego also considering moves to trade down. The Chargers, who do not possess a selection in Rounds 2-4 after having made multiple trades last year, including the one they made to secure S Eric Weddle in the second round, would like to regain more picks and expect to entertain offers on Draft Day from teams that are looking to move into the back end of the first round to draft the second quarterback to come off the board. The Ravens, who have also plotted trade strategies, could be a prime candidate both to move down with their first pick or trade up with their second, all with their eyes on the promise of a future franchise quarterback.

Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, New England and the Jets have also already discussed trade scenarios, the way we hear it, and could be very open to moving down. The Bills, in need of a receiver to complement Lee Evans, have never shied from filling their biggest needs early and could wind up drafting one considerably sooner than the first receiver in this year’s draft figures to be drafted. However, with Andy Reid having shown a propensity to trade up, the Bills could have a potential suitor at the precise spot (19th overall) where some decision makers believe the first receiver will be drafted.

The way we hear it, the Eagles still have some confidence in Winston Justice after he finished the season on a strong note, showing some promise in the final two games. Furthermore, team president Joe Banner does not like to give up on players until they have played at least three years. However, Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan are both among the league's oldest starters at their positions and are expected to have to be replaced in the near future. Should Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah, who strongly fits the mauling style of linemen sought by Reid, slide into the early teens, sources say that the Eagles could be ready to pounce.

Also potentially figuring into the tackle sweepstakes, the way we hear it, are the Seahawks, who need to begin thinking about replacing Walter Jones and have expressed some interest in moving up to land a tackle.

Audibles

The following quotes are from NFL evaluators, coaches and front-office personnel, spoken on the condition of anonymity.

"(Arkansas RB) Darren McFadden does not run with a great base. He is no Adrian Peterson. His success will depend on the situation and team that drafts him."

"(Tennessee State CB) Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie is too tall, does not tackle and only has one kidney, and I’m supposed to be excited? He’s got 'bust' written all over him. Take away his last name and do you think everyone would be as excited?"

"(Michigan State WR) Devin Thomas does not like to get hit. He drops a lot of balls inside. You can see his obvious potential, but he does not get off press (coverage) easily and you can see too many obvious shy-aways. This year’s draft of receivers sucks."

"(Ohio State DE-OLB) Vernon Gholston can rush the passer, get to the quarterback and make big plays, and in the NFL, those are the guys that get paid. You wish he were better all-around, but it will be interesting to see where he lands. He needs to be in a '30' front."

"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."

"If I were trying to read Bill Parcells, I would think he likes (Vernon) Gholston better than Chris Long because he can coach the kid to pursue and play hard. He cannot make Chris Long come off the edge much faster."

"Atlanta should have taken the defensive tackle last year. Bobby Petrino should have known more about (Texans DT Amobi) Okoye than anyone. Now they have to make up for the mistake."

"I think the Jets will take the quarterback (Boston College's Matt Ryan) if he is there (at the No. 6 spot)."

"The 49ers need a quarterback, and they don't know it yet. I think J.T. O'Sullivan will wind up being their starter by October."

"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
I would bet behind closed doors teams would much rather have their players smoking joints then getting drunk (assuming they wouldn't get caught). The affects to the body are way worse with alcohol.Of course due to a risk of suspension they wouldn't want them smoking, but health and performance wise i'm sure they consider it a better option.

 
As far as the Jets go, the closer we get to this thing the more afraid I am of:

1) Chris Long in the NFL 3-4 as a DE (size???) or OLB (Speed???)

2) Gholston as an all around 3-4 OLB

3) Mcfadden as the best RB in this thing and as a workhorse all around RB

That leaves me once again with the burning desire to TRADE DOWN.....

 
The Ravens, who have also plotted trade strategies, could be a prime candidate both to move down with their first pick or trade up with their second, all with their eyes on the promise of a future franchise quarterback.
Brian Brohm, QB Baltimore Ravens.
"I think the Jets will take the quarterback (Boston College's Matt Ryan) if he is there (at the No. 6 spot)."
Problem is, he won't be and if this were the case, they had a perfect chance to take a franchise QB the year they took DaBrick. Cutler was right there for the taking. Clemens?? Gimme a break...
"The 49ers need a quarterback, and they don't know it yet. I think J.T. O'Sullivan will wind up being their starter by October."
I LOVE that quote, and it's SOOO true.
 
I hope the Bolts can trade down say with Atlanta or someone else looking to grab Henne/Flacco

All this fuss about weed? I dont think the NBA tests for it, if they did they wouldnt have a league. I think NFL exec are just realizing that college kids are young and make mistakes, it happens. You notice UofM didnt suspend Mario Manningham for his positive tests did they? were is the outrage there? well it is ann arbor

 
As far as the Jets go, the closer we get to this thing the more afraid I am of:1) Chris Long in the NFL 3-4 as a DE (size???) or OLB (Speed???)2) Gholston as an all around 3-4 OLB3) Mcfadden as the best RB in this thing and as a workhorse all around RBThat leaves me once again with the burning desire to TRADE DOWN.....
Bro, there is NOTHING wrong with grabbing McFadden. I know we're high on Leon and he's a playmaker and everything, but he's NO McFadden. How many years does T Jones have left? He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. McFadden is a GIFT if he falls to us.
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :bag:

 
As far as the Jets go, the closer we get to this thing the more afraid I am of:1) Chris Long in the NFL 3-4 as a DE (size???) or OLB (Speed???)2) Gholston as an all around 3-4 OLB3) Mcfadden as the best RB in this thing and as a workhorse all around RBThat leaves me once again with the burning desire to TRADE DOWN.....
Bro, there is NOTHING wrong with grabbing McFadden. I know we're high on Leon and he's a playmaker and everything, but he's NO McFadden. How many years does T Jones have left? He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. McFadden is a GIFT if he falls to us.
Well. I'm gonna ask Santa for Jake Long instead....I doubt it would ever happen but, I'd love to see Leon/Jones run behind THAT line.And I don't like the fact that 1 measely injury on the OL probably reverts the Jets back to last years pathetic OL play......
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :rolleyes:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
 
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
why? you wanna give the testerone laden kids easier access to beer? With weed when they've had too much they goof off and watch "the wall" and snack. With alcohol when they've had too much they break ####, drive drunk, beat up people and rape girls.

I think beer/marijuana hypocrisy is laughable and can be traced to strong lobbying dollars. Truly sad.

 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :unsure:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
I think you're confusing normal and legal. I think it is very normal, that just depends on your experiences. The legality part is pretty black and white.
 
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
why? you wanna give the testerone laden kids easier access to beer? With weed when they've had too much they goof off and watch "the wall" and snack. With alcohol when they've had too much they break ####, drive drunk, beat up people and rape girls.

I think beer/marijuana hypocrisy is laughable and can be traced to strong lobbying dollars. Truly sad.
It's sad on a number of levels, but on the overall topic we're in agreement. I'm not one who believes that one is overtly worse than the other, except the government deems on illegal.
 
"I think the Jets will take the quarterback (Boston College's Matt Ryan) if he is there (at the No. 6 spot)."
Problem is, he won't be
I wouldn't be so sure. Only two teams who pick before the jets will want a qb but both have o-line and defensive needs as well. Plus atlanta has plenty of firepower to take brohm/henne/flacco later in the draft. Personally I think kc takes ryan but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he goes to the jets
 
The Ravens, who have also plotted trade strategies, could be a prime candidate both to move down with their first pick or trade up with their second, all with their eyes on the promise of a future franchise quarterback.
Brian Brohm, QB Baltimore Ravens
Only if it is the 2nd round or late 1st. No way they take him at #8....I would like to see McFadden fall to #8 and have the Cowboys trade both their 1st to move up for him. Ravens could secure their franchise QB and a top corner....
 
I hope the Bolts can trade down say with Atlanta or someone else looking to grab Henne/Flacco
:banned: I think Atl is the perfect partner. They have several 3rds and a need for a QB. Their 2nd is 10 behind SD, then get a 3rd and a 5th. Atl still has plenty of other picks to use, they get their Qb and their #1 pick and everyone in the world starts having dreams of a Cleveland type revival.And if Brohm is avail he may be even more enticing.
 
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
For Ben Roethlisberger's sake he better hope they don't believe that. (Or at least if his does, the GM and scouts need to tell him to shut it and go back to forwarding porn to the whole league.)
 
Bob Henry said:
3nOut said:
5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :shrug:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
I think you're confusing normal and legal. I think it is very normal, that just depends on your experiences. The legality part is pretty black and white.
Nope, just a play on words while trying not to hijack. norml = national organization for the reform of marijuana laws :thumbup: back on topic, i think PFW has has the best draft content in the past few weeks. nowrocki must have some solid contacts

 
Sidewinder16 said:
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
This one made no sense to me. What coach are they talking about?
 
3nOut said:
5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :rolleyes:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
If only they could give you a whiz quiz for traffic speeding too... :unsure: Penalty isn't much different either. Warning or a small fine.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
Sidewinder16 said:
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
For Ben Roethlisberger's sake he better hope they don't believe that. (Or at least if his does, the GM and scouts need to tell him to shut it and go back to forwarding porn to the whole league.)
You don't think that a stronger rushing attack (say Stewart makes a very good 3rd down back and gets 30-40% of the carries) with an increase in rushing attempts will not only stall the pass rush, but wear down on the D front 7 promoting better sack #s for the O line, keeping Ben healthier and allowing that offense the chance to grind it out while leading late in games (which they had trouble with last year)?
 
3nOut said:
5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :D
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
For most of a college experience if not sometimes all, alcohol is illegal as well. A prospect who routinely drank beer during or before college is doing something illegal but so many of us do it anyway. And obviously his comments are not meant to be read as okaying mariijuana use when in the league. It is addressing how you consider past marijuana use in evaluating a prospect.
 
Bob Henry said:
3nOut said:
5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :shrug:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
I think you're confusing normal and legal. I think it is very normal, that just depends on your experiences. The legality part is pretty black and white.
Nope, just a play on words while trying not to hijack. norml = national organization for the reform of marijuana laws :rant: back on topic, i think PFW has has the best draft content in the past few weeks. nowrocki must have some solid contacts
My comments weren't referencing your post directly, but no worries.
 
I think in recent years, there has been a shift in thinking among NFL evaluators when it comes to college kids and their experimentation with marijuana. At one time, an admission of using any kind of a drug was a big red flag. But today, past pot smoking may not hurt a kid in terms of draft stock as much it used to.

Is it because teams view an admission of experimentation as an indicator of honesty? Or maybe teams think that if a kid has tried it in the past and moved on, he's less likely to lean toward more experimentation once he has his money. Or maybe guys like Warren Sapp and Randy Moss showed teams that a player could still become HOF caliber, despite their college discretions.

 
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Bob Henry said:
3nOut said:
5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
Link

"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :thumbdown:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
I think you're confusing normal and legal. I think it is very normal, that just depends on your experiences. The legality part is pretty black and white.
Nope, just a play on words while trying not to hijack. norml = national organization for the reform of marijuana laws :excited: back on topic, i think PFW has has the best draft content in the past few weeks. nowrocki must have some solid contacts
My comments weren't referencing your post directly, but no worries.
I mostly just care about where my money is going. Role models promoting drug use? Nope

Health premiums for self induced problems? Nope

What people selling drugs do with thier money to other people? Nope

Welfare for drug induced coping or recreation? Nope

 
Is it because teams view an admission of experimentation as an indicator of honesty? Or maybe teams think that if a kid has tried it in the past and moved on, he's less likely to lean toward more experimentation once he has his money. Or maybe guys like Warren Sapp and Randy Moss showed teams that a player could still become HOF caliber, despite their college discretions.
I think it's because a large percentage of kids in the 15-25 range have played around with that stuff to a certain degree. It's not necessarily a huge deal.
 
5-ish Finkle said:
Sidewinder16 said:
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
For Ben Roethlisberger's sake he better hope they don't believe that. (Or at least if his does, the GM and scouts need to tell him to shut it and go back to forwarding porn to the whole league.)
You don't think that a stronger rushing attack (say Stewart makes a very good 3rd down back and gets 30-40% of the carries) with an increase in rushing attempts will not only stall the pass rush, but wear down on the D front 7 promoting better sack #s for the O line, keeping Ben healthier and allowing that offense the chance to grind it out while leading late in games (which they had trouble with last year)?
The odds of getting a strong rushing attack by upgrading the RB position and ignoring a mess at OL are minuscule, to say the least. You don't cure a horrible OL by adding a rookie RB to your roster, even if it's a very good prospect of a RB.
 
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
C'mon, get over it already.....Marijuana is used more regularly in society, in general, not just in sports. However, since most athletes are a part of the younger generation who use it the most (by the numbers of users, that is), then it stands to reason that young, collegiate, popular, people would also be more apt to use, at least on occasion......So yeah, it's not all that big of a deal, until they get suspended. It didn't seem to stop Calvin from going #2 in the draft last year.....
 
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With less than 10 days to go before the 2008 NFL draft, the phone lines are beginning to ring in team headquarters, and trade scenarios are being discussed.

Typically, there are few teams looking to move up in the top 10, but the way we hear it, the Saints, who have been aggressive targeting players in the Sean Payton era, are expressing interest in moving up.

While they still have a pressing need to fill at cornerback, it is the DT position that they are looking to address early. New DL coach Ed Orgeron has been in attendance at many DT workouts this spring and has personally worked out Glenn Dorsey and Sedrick Ellis, whom he helped recruit to the Trojans.

The way we hear it, the Saints feel like they have to climb at least ahead of the Bengals, who are also in great need of a defensive tackle, to have a chance at landing Ellis.

The Chiefs, who have dangled franchise DE Jared Allen on the trading block, remain a strong candidate to make a move down. Carl Peterson's right-hand man Billy Kuharich, who formerly called the shots with Mike Ditka in New Orleans and helped make one of the biggest blockbuster moves in NFL history when he traded the Saints' draft for the right to select RB Ricky Williams, still has strong ties to the Saints' organization and is well-positioned to help arrange another deal. With many pressing needs to fill, the Chiefs are looking to acquire multiple picks and are very interested in moving down in the draft order, so much so that they are considering a move to deal their marquee defensive star, who remains a couple of beers away from a lengthy NFL suspension.

The way we hear it, the first round will likely feature at least one trade from the AFC West, with Denver and San Diego also considering moves to trade down. The Chargers, who do not possess a selection in Rounds 2-4 after having made multiple trades last year, including the one they made to secure S Eric Weddle in the second round, would like to regain more picks and expect to entertain offers on Draft Day from teams that are looking to move into the back end of the first round to draft the second quarterback to come off the board. The Ravens, who have also plotted trade strategies, could be a prime candidate both to move down with their first pick or trade up with their second, all with their eyes on the promise of a future franchise quarterback.

Buffalo, Carolina, Chicago, New England and the Jets have also already discussed trade scenarios, the way we hear it, and could be very open to moving down. The Bills, in need of a receiver to complement Lee Evans, have never shied from filling their biggest needs early and could wind up drafting one considerably sooner than the first receiver in this year’s draft figures to be drafted. However, with Andy Reid having shown a propensity to trade up, the Bills could have a potential suitor at the precise spot (19th overall) where some decision makers believe the first receiver will be drafted.

The way we hear it, the Eagles still have some confidence in Winston Justice after he finished the season on a strong note, showing some promise in the final two games. Furthermore, team president Joe Banner does not like to give up on players until they have played at least three years. However, Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan are both among the league's oldest starters at their positions and are expected to have to be replaced in the near future. Should Pittsburgh OT Jeff Otah, who strongly fits the mauling style of linemen sought by Reid, slide into the early teens, sources say that the Eagles could be ready to pounce.

Also potentially figuring into the tackle sweepstakes, the way we hear it, are the Seahawks, who need to begin thinking about replacing Walter Jones and have expressed some interest in moving up to land a tackle.

Audibles

The following quotes are from NFL evaluators, coaches and front-office personnel, spoken on the condition of anonymity.

"(Arkansas RB) Darren McFadden does not run with a great base. He is no Adrian Peterson. His success will depend on the situation and team that drafts him."

"(Tennessee State CB) Dominic Rodgers-Cromartie is too tall, does not tackle and only has one kidney, and I’m supposed to be excited? He’s got 'bust' written all over him. Take away his last name and do you think everyone would be as excited?"

"(Michigan State WR) Devin Thomas does not like to get hit. He drops a lot of balls inside. You can see his obvious potential, but he does not get off press (coverage) easily and you can see too many obvious shy-aways. This year’s draft of receivers sucks."

"(Ohio State DE-OLB) Vernon Gholston can rush the passer, get to the quarterback and make big plays, and in the NFL, those are the guys that get paid. You wish he were better all-around, but it will be interesting to see where he lands. He needs to be in a '30' front."

"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."

"If I were trying to read Bill Parcells, I would think he likes (Vernon) Gholston better than Chris Long because he can coach the kid to pursue and play hard. He cannot make Chris Long come off the edge much faster."

"Atlanta should have taken the defensive tackle last year. Bobby Petrino should have known more about (Texans DT Amobi) Okoye than anyone. Now they have to make up for the mistake."

"I think the Jets will take the quarterback (Boston College's Matt Ryan) if he is there (at the No. 6 spot)."

"The 49ers need a quarterback, and they don't know it yet. I think J.T. O'Sullivan will wind up being their starter by October."

"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
btw......... :lmao:
 
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5Rings said:
3nOut said:
Bob Henry said:
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"Marijuana today was like beer for a lot of us in high school. The question you have to answer is whether it is being used a couple times a year or whether it is habitual. I don’t have a problem with one, two or three beers a year. And let’s be realistic, it’s easier for some kids to get (marijuana) than beer."
Great signature material here, and sadly, it is true.
Of all the quotes, for some reason this one jumped out at me the most as well. Its pretty disturbing to me in that when he says "beers" he means "joints". He's basically condoning the use of marijuana even though the players get tested for it and AGAINST THE LAW. I curious to know who said this. And what does this say about the NFLs drug testing procedures? I infered from this that marijuana is used among NFL players People around the world regularly enough that it has become to be "not a problem".
Its norml in this day and age.Nawrocki and PFW have been a very good read lately. :hot:
Not until they legalize it. Kids take lots of other drugs too, and just becasue they do, doesn't mean its normal. For the record, at this point, I'm not taking sides on whether or not it should be legalized. My point is that since it currently isn't legal, he should have a problem with it.
If only they could give you a whiz quiz for traffic speeding too... ;) Penalty isn't much different either. Warning or a small fine.
exactly... "Hey, that 1st round prospect drives 36mph in 35mph zones." "That's illegal... take that hooligan off of our draft boards!!!"
 
Weed is a freaking non-issue... please. Warren Sapp's draft stock plummeted years ago because he was smoking herb, and Tampa ended up getting a steal. I wouldn't really let that affect my judgment of a player. If he were an Odell Thurman-esque meth-head, then yeah.. but failing a drug test for weed? Come on.

 
As far as the Jets go, the closer we get to this thing the more afraid I am of:1) Chris Long in the NFL 3-4 as a DE (size???) or OLB (Speed???)2) Gholston as an all around 3-4 OLB3) Mcfadden as the best RB in this thing and as a workhorse all around RBThat leaves me once again with the burning desire to TRADE DOWN.....
Bro, there is NOTHING wrong with grabbing McFadden. I know we're high on Leon and he's a playmaker and everything, but he's NO McFadden. How many years does T Jones have left? He'll be 30 by the time the season starts. McFadden is a GIFT if he falls to us.
I couldn't agree more, and I'm not even a Jets fan. As an NFL fan, I think this is a great fit, especially when you add in how nicely their offensive line is coming along. The Jets need some serious starpower up there in New York, something they've lacked for some time now. McFadden can bring that.
 
"Pittsburgh just lost an offensive lineman, and they don't have Russ Grimm to clean up the mess anymore. So, I could imagine they are thinking of taking a running back. That's the way most offensive line coaches think."
This one stood out to me.Do OL coaches (in general) really believe that their OL woes can be solved by taking a RB (early?) in the draft?That would be pretty surprising, if true.
For Ben Roethlisberger's sake he better hope they don't believe that. (Or at least if his does, the GM and scouts need to tell him to shut it and go back to forwarding porn to the whole league.)
You don't think that a stronger rushing attack (say Stewart makes a very good 3rd down back and gets 30-40% of the carries) with an increase in rushing attempts will not only stall the pass rush, but wear down on the D front 7 promoting better sack #s for the O line, keeping Ben healthier and allowing that offense the chance to grind it out while leading late in games (which they had trouble with last year)?
The odds of getting a strong rushing attack by upgrading the RB position and ignoring a mess at OL are minuscule, to say the least. You don't cure a horrible OL by adding a rookie RB to your roster, even if it's a very good prospect of a RB.
I disagree, but that's my take. I think Parker is the kind of RB that needs the line to open big holes for him to be productive and Stewart is the kind of RB that will make his own holes if there isn't one. I also think Stewart has better vision and may find the conspicuous holes better than Parker. I think a better RB would make the line look quite a bit better and take some heat off of the passing game, making the line look even better still. It's more about the TYPE of back. I don't think that McFadden would do as much for Oakland as Stewart would for Pitt, even though I think Parker is a better back than Fargas. I think Stewart is the type of back that can compliment Parker perfectly and turn the Steelers into a top rushing team again, rather than the good passing team it's becoming. Besides that, Stewart may step in as the best 3rd down back on the team w/ his blocking/recieving ability.
 

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