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Anonymous Internet User
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So the teams involved would be Denver, Atlanta, and Washington.Washingston has a glut of WRs, so it's somewhat obvious Lelie isn't going there. Atlanta is in dire need of WR help, but is signing Lelie something they really want to do? Looks like they didn't learn their lesson after Peerless Price ...The question becomes, what is Denver going to get? Probably a 3rd/4th rounder?
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The Duff Man
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The real question comes for those of us drafting now. Do we take a flyer on Duckett earlier than his ADP in hopes he lands in a better spot? Was is not better unless you think Portis will be out a long time. Denver 
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I think if this deal happened, Duckett would be going to Washington, not Denver.The real question comes for those of us drafting now. Do we take a flyer on Duckett earlier than his ADP in hopes he lands in a better spot? Was is not better unless you think Portis will be out a long time. Denver
redman
Footballguy
Ladell Betts?
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Is Patten involved in the rumors? Another board was saying the he wasn't at practice...
Anonymous Internet User
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Betts in Denver would be a monster, imho.
redman
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They have two rookies who have done well in camp in Anthony Montgomery and Cedric Golston. Both figure to make the squad as backups in the DT rotation.
redman
Footballguy
I agree. He's better than some of the guys they've successfully plugged into that system, like Olandis Gary, Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!Moats ==> DenverLelie ==> AtlantaDuckett ==> Philly
Ed Wood
Footballguy
IMO this is about as stupid a rumor as Lelie and Tatum Bell going to Philly. That was stupid because multiple "name player" trades are very rare in the NFL. Can you name the last one?
This one is stupid because 3-team deals are very rare in the NFL. Can you name the last one of those?
I think it's pretty obvious neither of these have much substance. I can see Duckett moving and obviously Lelie, but not in either of these scenarios...
JMO
This one is stupid because 3-team deals are very rare in the NFL. Can you name the last one of those?
I think it's pretty obvious neither of these have much substance. I can see Duckett moving and obviously Lelie, but not in either of these scenarios...
JMO
redman
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What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
Ed Wood
Footballguy
"As I type this, Jim,..."
Look, I can make up things too:As I type this, fellow readers, there are guys working the phones in the offices on either side of me trying to get a read on what's going on with Manning. I heard a three-way trade was in the works also involving Tom Brady and Reggie Bush...
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Couch Potato
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Stop bothering me with such annoying details, Redman. Let me enjoy my story. Killjoy.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
Bell gets traded to the Jets, who send Barlow to Houston, who then send Morency to the Redskins, and...
Northern Voice
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This doesn't neccesarily say Washington is involved... does it?
Silver & Black
Footballguy
Regardless, this is good news for Dunn owners. He's gonna show last year was no fluke. 
EBF
Footballguy
Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
Mungo Burrows
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Well ones that stick out recently are Santana Moss for Laveranues Coles (which involved Washington and the Jets), Champ Bailey for Clinton Portis (which involved Washington and Denver). Denver traded Ruben Droughns for Myers and Ekuban. There was the John Abraham trade which was essentially a three-way trade of the Abraham, the 29th and 15th picks (who by their nature as 1st rounders became 'name' players) along with some scrub picks and oh-by-the way that involved Denver, and Atlanta along with the jets.It seems to me that Teams like Washington, Denver, and Atlanta (and the Jets) are more than willing to trade name players, and actually have a history of doing so... with each other.
redman
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I don't agree with you. Mind you, I'm not saying Bell is a stud or anything, or that Moats sucks, but I just don't see Moats being an upgrade such that Denver would want to make this trade.Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
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None_More_Black
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Yeah but at 5'8 205 he really is not a Shanahan type back.(he is shifty) He has limited nfl experience as well. Duckett for Lelei would make a lot of sense.Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
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redman
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I just checked NFL.com for that very thing. Moats is listed as 5'8" 210 lbs; Bell is listed as 5'9" 213 lbs. Assuming both are accurate (or are equally wrong), then size won't be a factor here in deciding who's better.Yeah but at 5'8 205 he really is not a Shanahan type back.(he is shifty) He has limited nfl experience as well.Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
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Mister CIA
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Rock Cartwright's value is dropping and Justin Griffith's is on the rise.
None_More_Black
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I agree. I think shanahan wants a anderson type back. Bell was pretty effective last year but I think Shanahan wants an upgrade from M.Bell/Dayne. I would find it very hard to believe that shany would want moats but who knows. He seems very opionated on rbs. (he did draft bell to become the full time start and he new his size.) I think it is clear now that T.Bell will not be getting a majority of the work.I just checked NFL.com for that very thing. Moats is listed as 5'8" 210 lbs; Bell is listed as 5'9" 213 lbs. Assuming both are accurate (or are equally wrong), then size won't be a factor here in deciding who's better.Yeah but at 5'8 205 he really is not a Shanahan type back.(he is shifty) He has limited nfl experience as well.Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
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According to sources, there are four teams in the running for Duckett. Washington, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are assumed to be among that list. The Falcons are trying to get Lelie at all costs. All the coaches and players have commented that this year the Falcons are going to bust the offense wide open. Shotgun, more passing, more aggressive. They need a very good #3 to pull it off. Jim Mora basically said a 3rd WR is top priority. How this affects Fantasy:Vick, very good, he'll have a lot more opprotunities to put up fantasy numbers with a ultra-aggressive offense with four talented receiveing options and three good backfield receivers.
White and Jenkins, down. Vick is throwing more checkdowns this off-season, to the RB. Lelie would take a lot of targets from both.
Alge Crumpler, a lot less reliance on him. Vick has finally developed good rapport with his receivers. Crumpler is likely not going to receive such an unsual ammount of work like the past two seasons. Where two awful vets (Dez White, Peerless Price), and two rookies (Roddy White and Michael Jenkins), offered no chance that Vick would trust them.
Lelie, unlikely to put up big time numbers.
redman
Footballguy
As between Philly, Pittsburgh and Washington, who has the most to offer Denver in trade for Duckett that Denver actually needs?
Philly - lots of young DT talent
Pittsburgh - ??????
Washington - Betts
What's odd is that Philly probably has the greatest need for a healthy RB, but Duckett is not the type of RB they tend to favor.
Pittsburgh could upgrade with Duckett but they're typically very conservative about trading and I don't know what they'd offer Denver.
Washington appears to be pretty solid at RB despite Portis' injury and Betts is the only guy that seems a logical choice for Denver.
Philly - lots of young DT talent
Pittsburgh - ??????
Washington - Betts
What's odd is that Philly probably has the greatest need for a healthy RB, but Duckett is not the type of RB they tend to favor.
Pittsburgh could upgrade with Duckett but they're typically very conservative about trading and I don't know what they'd offer Denver.
Washington appears to be pretty solid at RB despite Portis' injury and Betts is the only guy that seems a logical choice for Denver.
#@%&$!?
Footballguy
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Uh, not seeing the multiple "name player" trades (i.e. two name players going from one team to another (same) team—in this case Lelie and Bell as I cited). Obviously, one "name player" traded for another does happen.
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Mister CIA
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Wrong plane.
EBF
Footballguy
205 pounds is more than Portis weighed during his rookie season. I'm avoiding the Denver RB situation this year, but Moats would immediately jump into my top 15-20 if he were traded to the Broncos. I had him very high in my rookie rankings last year and I think he'd be very effective running the ball in Denver.Yeah but at 5'8 205 he really is not a Shanahan type back.(he is shifty) He has limited nfl experience as well. Duckett for Lelei would make a lot of sense.Much better vision and more elusiveness. Moats is a player.What doesn't work in that story is Moats to Denver. How is Moats any better than Tatum Bell?Well... I posted this in another thread earlier today:
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.Call me crazy, let's have a 3some!
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Donnybrook
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Adding more fuel to the fire.Pittsburgh could upgrade with Duckett but they're typically very conservative about trading and I don't know what they'd offer Denver.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Uh, the trade already happened.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Will I ever get one of these right? Duckett > WashingtonAdding more fuel to the fire.Pittsburgh could upgrade with Duckett but they're typically very conservative about trading and I don't know what they'd offer Denver.
doughboydeluxe
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
Monster watching Mike Bell score TD's.
Ed Wood
Footballguy
Notice I said these trade are "very rare." I didn't say they never happened.
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CrossEyed
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Hmmm, sounds like Verron Haynes' value may be rising.Adding more fuel to the fire.Pittsburgh could upgrade with Duckett but they're typically very conservative about trading and I don't know what they'd offer Denver.
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