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Ultimately I didn't see a lot that made me happy tonight, although I generally don't put too much on the preseason because Andy and Marty play it close to the vest in terms of play-calling usually. Nevertheless, the O-line really struggled and Kolb looks very much like you would expect a first year starter. There were a few throws that looked great, and it was nice to see DJax keep the play alive on that one down the right sidelines, but there were other drops when Kolb looked rushed and erratic. I just don't think we can expect consistency from him this year, but I don't think we've seen any reason to push the panic button.

VERY disappointed in McCoy and the line's inability to open any holes. He was running right up into traffic and getting stopped every time.

I also didn't see any signs of this vaunted front 7 we keep seeing and hearing about in camp. Where was the pressure by our ends? Where was the aggressive, pursuit by the backers? I kept seeing a lot of diving tackles on Benson after big yardage. Not happy.

;)

 
I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
As an Eagles homer, I really, really, REALLY doubt it. Even in Washington, he's already been taking a ton of heat for his piss poor accuracy. I n Philly, he was ALWAYS underthrowing and overthrowing receivers. He got into funks where he couldn't hit an open man to save his life. Don't get me wrong, when he was on his game, he was good. Great, even. He just wasn't "on his game" that often.I think it's far more likely he gets exposed this year.
;) McNabb did the best with what he had, but he never was a naturally gifted passer. He looked like was throwing a rock at times and I remember several games where he would just bounce the ball to the open receiver's knees.
 
Color me skeptical re: Kolb. I think he could be a FF bust. Eagles red zone offense is awful. On the other hand, Palmer might be a really good sleeper pick based on his ADP. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Could be the next Scott Mitchell
I get your point but Scott Mitchell could NEVER throw the ball on the run. Watching that guy run and then attempt to throw a pass while running still gives me nightmares. I wake up in a cold sweat yelling "NO, DON'T THROW IT!" still to this day. Scott Mitchell, wow what a bum.
Former Bengal, by the way.

 
McCoy didn't look good, but he only had a hole to work with on one carry. 4 out of five of his carries there were Bengals defenders in the backfield disrupting any kind of rushing lane. Barry Sanders would have been hard pressed to do much better with what the line gave McCoy tonight.

As bad as the G-C-G trio were in run blocking, they weren't terrible in the passing game (not good...just not terrible). I thought Kolb looked pretty good...he made good decisions and didn't force anything.

The Eagles really need Herremans, Andrews , and one of the first two centers to get healthy. All three interior lineman starting tonight should be backups week one.

 
I definitely think Kolb looked ok tonight, but the line is a big concern. Kolb got hit a fair amount for a preseason game. I like that he showed some mobility, but if the line can't give McCoy room to get 4-5 yards on 1st and 2nd downs, Kolb is in for tough sledding on 3rd downs.

This is probably the biggest reason I'm not high on Kolb this year - the line play and his inexperience actually facing down blitzes and schemes he's only studied on film. Give him a year and some patchwork with that line and he could be closer to what many thinks he'll be.

I did like what I saw from the Philly pass rush and secondary. Nate Allen played well for the most part - he did a good job recovering from the highlight reel hit from Benson in the 1st QTR to lay some wood and get into Palmer's face on a safety blitz that helped force an INT. Graham got into the pocket numerous times in the first half and then made a nice tackle for a loss on Peerman in the 3rd QTR.

 
TheLastDispatch said:
Rovers said:
Eagles red zone offense is awful. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Also, the Eagles ranked 24th in red zone offense last year. The year before we were 22nd. The year before that, 24th again. All with McNabb.I'm not saying, I'm just saying... :unsure:
You are saying. They never ran the ball really in the red zone. With Jackson Avant Celek Maclin, it makes failing harder because the weapons are there. McNabb never weapons like this. Yet they are still failing to get red zone TDs..so what does that tell you...coaching
 
TheLastDispatch said:
Rovers said:
Eagles red zone offense is awful. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Also, the Eagles ranked 24th in red zone offense last year. The year before we were 22nd. The year before that, 24th again. All with McNabb.I'm not saying, I'm just saying... :unsure:
You are saying. They never ran the ball really in the red zone.

With Jackson Avant Celek Maclin, it makes failing harder because the weapons are there. McNabb never weapons like this. Yet they are still failing to get red zone TDs..so what does that tell you...coaching
Really? how about last year? :lmao:

 
Also, they ran it a little under 60 times in the red zone last year, compared to 53 passing attempts by McNabb.

ETA: McNabb also had his lowest red zone completion percentage of his career last year, a measly 45.3%.

 
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TheLastDispatch said:
Rovers said:
Eagles red zone offense is awful. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Also, the Eagles ranked 24th in red zone offense last year. The year before we were 22nd. The year before that, 24th again. All with McNabb.I'm not saying, I'm just saying... :thumbup:
You are saying. They never ran the ball really in the red zone.

With Jackson Avant Celek Maclin, it makes failing harder because the weapons are there. McNabb never weapons like this. Yet they are still failing to get red zone TDs..so what does that tell you...coaching
Really? how about last year? :hifive:
kolb is stepping onto the field with no rookies at the main positions. just having that one year under your belt is a huge gain.

so i stand by what i say

offensive weapons this year > offensive weapons last year

Anyone surprised Cooper wasn't the 4th WR? Baskett was

 
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TheLastDispatch said:
Rovers said:
Eagles red zone offense is awful. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Also, the Eagles ranked 24th in red zone offense last year. The year before we were 22nd. The year before that, 24th again. All with McNabb.I'm not saying, I'm just saying... :hifive:
You are saying. They never ran the ball really in the red zone.

With Jackson Avant Celek Maclin, it makes failing harder because the weapons are there. McNabb never weapons like this. Yet they are still failing to get red zone TDs..so what does that tell you...coaching
Really? how about last year? :thumbup:
kolb is stepping onto the field with no rookies at the main positions. just having that one year under your belt is a huge gain.

so i stand by what i say

offensive weapons this year > offensive weapons last year

Anyone surprised Cooper wasn't the 4th WR? Baskett was
Ok, I'll give you one year makes a difference. To say McNabb "never had weapons like this" is a bit of an overstatement though. He had the same players last year, just one year less experienced.That being said, Kolb is basically in his rookie year, is that not a "main position"? Also, McNabb had a prime time T.O. and Westbrook a few years ago. T.O. at his prime > Jackson, Westbrook at his prime > McCoy.

Also, I'm not sure what your point is or how it's relevant to my post you quoted? My point was that the Eagles won't miss McNabb, who led them to three successive years of being sub 20 in red zone offense and who is coming off his career worst year in red zone completion %. This counters what the poster I quoted said, since he mentioned the red zone offense looking bad and eagles fans subsequently missing McNabb.

Your point seems to be that they will miss McNabb (I'm assuming that's why you quoted and disagreed with me?) because their red zone coaching is bad? And because they have better weapons now than last year? :thumbup:

Also, as I stated above, your comment regarding them not rushing in the red zone isn't entirely correct.

 
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TheLastDispatch said:
Rovers said:
Eagles red zone offense is awful. I think Eagles fans will miss McNabb.
Also, the Eagles ranked 24th in red zone offense last year. The year before we were 22nd. The year before that, 24th again. All with McNabb.I'm not saying, I'm just saying... :thumbup:
You are saying. They never ran the ball really in the red zone.

With Jackson Avant Celek Maclin, it makes failing harder because the weapons are there. McNabb never weapons like this. Yet they are still failing to get red zone TDs..so what does that tell you...coaching
Yep. Last night was no different. Line was being manhandled in the middle, yet that's where every run was designed to go (nothing outside? only one screen...to Weaver?!?). After 5 or 6 rushes for minimal yardage, they call a wildcat type formation with McCoy in the shotgun...IN THE RED ZONE? Who was that supposed to fool?Again...caution is needed because this was a pres-season game, with (mostly) vanilla schemes (other then that ridiculous wildcat call). Somehow, I doubt Reid would have called a real game the same way...looked like he was trying to get his interior O-line to work their way through some issues.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
gpthatsme said:
1. Kolb doesnt look good.
Really? He put up 150yds and basically a TD (that was called back for an illegal formation) against a top defense with an O-line that was getting DOMINATED.I thought that Kolb and DeSean Jackson both looked great. The Philly o-line looked awful. If they get their stuff together, Kolb is going to be huge.
I watched the 1st quarter of the game and then came here. There wasn't a post started for the game so I took the liberty to do so.So, again, I posted the thoughts about Kolb after only the 1st Quarter. And at that point, he didn't look good. He did look MUCH better in the 2nd quarter I thought. Points well taken.
 
I think to many people put way to much into the entire preseason let alone one game where you could tell one team was playing to win the other teams was keeping it as simple as possible. Reid never shows anything with his offense and McDermott who is a blitz nuts barely did it in either preseason game where the Bengals seemed to do it every play. The interior line looked awful but again it's one game and you have two back ups starting. As for McCoy he looked good last week this week not nearly as good but that could be the line or it could be him but people he got 6 carries not 20. I guess we should all cut CJ and MJD after how bad they looked in their limited carries last week. Also for as good as people say Palmer was he led them to one TD and that was only set up because Samuels didn't play and Owens made a big play on the back up CB. I'm not saying Palmer wasn't good I'm just trying to say people put way to much into a few preseason touches good or bad.

 
I think the Eagles are going to be in for a rough year. They will not be terrible as they have a lot of young talent, but I see 6 - 8 wins with a lot of good production from the passing game.

I think they are going to need a rb, as McCoy is nothing special...once they draft one, they are going to be good. I would most definetley take a flyer on Kolb if he was available in the 9th or 10th round, and Akers is the kicker I am targeting...he is money and I can see that team kicking an assload of fieldgoals this year.

 
Well, I only got to watch a quarter, but palmers arm does appear better. His deep ball is more accurate than I've seen it at any point last season. (coming off of injury last season, this shouldnt be a huge surprise)

Kolb looked okay. I wouldnt say he lit the world on fire, but in exhibition you cant expect everything to run like clockwork...

either way, the coaching is good enough that they will find ways to make Kolb effective. I have no doubt about that.

 
A breakdown of every Kolb throw:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...erformance.html

Throw 1: On the first play of the game, Stacy Andrews was bowled over by Bengals defensive lineman Jonathan Fanene, who got a good shot in on Kolb just as he released the ball. Kolb, working out of the shotgun, took a shot deep to DeSean Jackson, as the Eagles were backed up at their own 7-yard line. The Bengals had two DBs near Jackson, and the pass (which traveled about 38 yards) was incomplete. I have no problem with Kolb taking a chance deep here.

Throw 2: On the very next play, Kolb felt some pressure from the Bengals' left defensive end. It looked like LeSean McCoy didn't get a very good chip on the play. Once again out of the shotgun, Kolb stepped up, rolled to his right and made a good throw to McCoy, who was pushed out of bounds 1 yard short of the first down marker. Good job to avoid pressure and make a strong, accurate throw to the sideline.

Throw 3: Kolb took a short drop in the shotgun and hit Jeremy Maclin's outside shoulder for a gain of 6. Nice, high-percentage throw on first down.

Throw 4: This was one of the throws I mentioned earlier where Kolb stayed in the pocket, got rid of the ball just in time and took a hit. We saw him do this in the two starts last season. Lined up under center, Kolb took a short drop and hit Jackson for 7 yards over the middle on 2nd-and-8. Linebacker Rey Maualuga came untouched from Kolb's blind side and got a hit on him.

Throw 5: Kolb lined up under center and drew the defense offsides on 3rd-and-1. The Eagles were lined up with two running backs, two receivers and a tight end. It looked like the Bengals safety was responsible for Leonard Weaaver if he went out into his route, but when Weaver stayed in to block, the safety blitzed Kolb. Kolb sensed it from his left side and rolled to his right immediately, bought some time and hit Jackson for an 18-yard gain. Good recognition, good athleticism and good throw.

Throw 6: This was probably one of those where Kolb could have stayed in the pocket longer. The Eagles ran play-action and Kolb rolled to his right immediately. Winston Justice had the left defensive end blocked upfield, but when Kolb rolled out, the pressure was in his face. Kolb flung it to Weaver, who was behind the line of scrimmage and looked like he wisely might have dropped the ball on purpose.

Throw 7: The Eagles faced a 3rd-and-9, and it looked like Kolb might have changed the play at the line of scrimmage. Lined up in the shotgun, he hit Maclin on a wide receiver screen to his left. QBs sometimes struggle with this throw. It's important to get the receiver the ball quickly and in a place where he can immediately turn upfield. Kolb did that. Maclin fought to get to the first-down marker, but ended up fumbling and turning the ball over.

Throw 8: Not much to this one. A screen to Weaver that went for 8 yards on 2nd-and-12.

Throw 9: Another one where it looked like Kolb felt more pressure than was really there. On 3rd-and-4, he backpedaled frantically until he was about 14 yards behind the line of scrimmage. At that point, he threw off his back foot and hit Maclin, who was at the line of scrimmage. This was the play where Maclin got injured and was short of the first down.

Throw 10: Maybe his most impressive throw of the night. The protection was good on this one. Kolb lined up in the shotgun on 2nd-and-13 from the Eagles' 20. He couldn't find a receiver and scrambled to his right, before making a terrific throw to Jackson down the near sideline for 28 yards. Good job by Jackson to keep working after he was covered on his initial route.

Throw 11: Kolb had to throw the ball away here. He ran play-action but had Bengals defenders in his face immediately and had to sling it out of bounds, taking a hit as he released the ball.

Throw 12: This was the miss to Avant. The Eagles had a 2nd-and-10 from the Cincinnati 22. They went with one running back and four wide receivers out of the shotgun. Kolb overthrew Avant in the end zone, or the Eagles would have had six. On the replay, it looked like Riley Cooper was wide open, but that could have just been because the safety started moving towards Avant once the ball was in the air. Good protection, bad throw.

Throw 13: Probably his worst decision and worst throw of the night. Kolb had time, but couldn't find anyone. He ended up trying to force the ball into Jackson near the goal line. Jackson had three defenders around him, and the ball went right through the hands of one of the defensive backs. Could have easily been an INT.

Throw 14: With under two minutes left in the first half, the Eagles had a 1st-and-10 from the Bengals' 42-yard line. Kolb lined up under center, joined by two running backs, two wide receivers and a tight end. He ran play-action and made a good, patient throw to Jackson 21 yards downfield. Jackson ran out of bounds, stopping the clock.

Throw 15: Another good job on the very next play. This time from the shotgun, Kolb found Brent Celek over the middle for 14 yards. It was the only time he targeted Celek all night, setting up the Eagles with a 1st-and-goal from the Bengals' 7-yard line.

Throw 16: One more time when I thought Kolb probably moved out of the pocket before he needed to. With a 2nd-and-goal from the Cincinnati 7, he rolled to his right and looked for Jackson near the goal line. The throw was off-target, and Kolb threw into a crowded area for an incompletion.

Throw 17: Tough spot for the Eagles: 3rd-and-goal from the Bengals' 12 after a penalty. Kolb gave a shoulder fake before settling on a 5-yard completion to Avant. I know some ask why he wouldn't throw it in the end zone, but there was likely no one even close to being open. It's actually a good move to settle on the short gain and kick the field goal. The key here was the penalty that put them in such a bad position in the first place.

 

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