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Philadelphia Eagles Fans - We're Done (1 Viewer)

If the Eagles, Giants and Falcons all finish in a 3-way tie, I think the Giants and Falcons will get in, right?Eagles-Giants is broken first. H2H is even. Division record is even. Conference record is even. Common games: Giants 8-4, Eagles 6-6.Then Atlanta would beat out the Eagles by virtue of winning the final game against the Eagles. Is this right?
You seems to be assuming that Philly beats Dallas but loses to Atlanta. In that case, Philly is 5-1 in the division and finishes ahead of the Giants.
Right, that would be the only way that all 3 teams could be tied.You are right about the Eagles being 5-1 in the division in that scenario. I am :11: So the Eagles are in the playoffs with 1 more win. If they beat Dallas, they will win a 3-way tiebreaker with NYG and ATL. If they beat Atlanta, then Atlanta will have it's 8th loss, so the Eagles will be in the playoffs.
 
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If him and Akili Smith switched draft spots you would be talking about Smith in this thread and McNabb would be doing something other than football.
Wow, I don't like to criticize but that is the worst thing I think I ever read on this board. Worse than that guy trying to sell shirts. Hey, I'm not sure if you know this, but you can actually watch these "NFL Games" you hear about. Try it sometime.p.s. (hope you weren't :thumbup: )
:lmao: All it takes is one look at their college careers to get an idea of who was a good NFL prospect coming out, and who was a one-year wonder who got drafted by Mike Brown.
So, how they doing without the great one? :thumbup:
Only Philly fans could convince themselves that the 2006 version of Jeff Garcia is a better option at QB than the 2006 version of McNabb. :lmao: You do realize that 32 out of 32 NFL teams would choose to have McNabb as their QB over Garcia, right? Maybe, just maybe the health of Stallworth and Westbrook have had a tad to do with the better play of the team, no? Jesus, I don't want to get in the business of cheering up Eagles fans so I'll stop now, but this Eagles-themed lugubriosity is even more classic Philly than the cheesesteak and the Liberty Bell. :bye:
Or maybe just maybe, Garcia is a better fit for a WCO.
If you run a search you'll find multiple posts by me asserting that the WCO is a poor fit for McNabb's skill set.
 
[it's not that McNabb is worse than Garcia. He isn't. The team is better with McNabb. But the coaching staff's PLAYCALLING is better when they have Garcia instead of McNabb. Reid and co. become lazy and predictable playcallers when McNabb's in there because they have so much faith in his talent and they rely on him too much. Garcia (or anyone other than McNabb) forces them to call a more balanced game because they don't have a QB who can make so many plays on his own. They HAVE to run the ball because Garcia can't win a game by himself. They don't run the ball when McNabb's in because they've convinced themselves they don't have to.
I agree. Said another way, when McNabb's in the game the coaching staff considers him the best guy on the field and builds the game plan around him. When he's not on the field they consider Westbrook to be the best guy on the field and put the game on his shoulders. I agree that they should make Westbrook the focus regardless.
 
If you run a search you'll find multiple posts by me asserting that the WCO is a poor fit for McNabb's skill set.
I take it you don't subscribe to Andy's decade long experiment to make a college option QB into a pocket passer???Too bad Andy never mastered that square peg-round hole thing...
 
If you run a search you'll find multiple posts by me asserting that the WCO is a poor fit for McNabb's skill set.
I take it you don't subscribe to Andy's decade long experiment to make a college option QB into a pocket passer???Too bad Andy never mastered that square peg-round hole thing...
McNabb, to his credit, has made himself into a respectable QB in spite of Reid's worst efforts, but as I've said before I'd love to see McNabb in Norv Turner's or Joe Gibbs' or Al Saunders' offenses, each of which has been known to make strong armed but otherwise modestly talented QB's into stars. Strong running game and play-action passing. I'd love to see what McNabb could do with that.
 
i'm still shocked by their 8-6 status, but they are playing much more as a team than as a McNabb-based offense.

Garcia is doing fine, which is also surprising. Adam Schefter even picked him as the third NFC QB for the Pro Bowl. :thumbup:

It will actually take some effort for Philly NOT to make the playoffs. Even at 8-8 they'd be 7-5 in the NFC with a win over Carolina.

I think we're quite possibly seeing the first of two games of Philly at Dallas in the next 4 weeks.

 
The worst case scenarios have the Eagles at 8-8.

So, let's take a look at their H2H matchups with each 6-8 team.

GB - W

SF - W

CAR - W

MIN - DNP - would be 8-4 in conference, Philly 7-5. Minn wins.

STL - DNP - would be 6-6 in conference, Philly 7-5. Philly wins.

So, if the Saints win vs. NYG this week and Green Bay wins over Minnesota, the Eagles are in I believe.

ETA - Wait - the Giants could be 8-8 with Philly and have the same div. and conf. records after a H2H split.

The common games (14) would have the Eagles at 6-8, NYG at 8-6. Giants would be in.

So a Saints W and a GB W doesn't push them in.

 
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The worst case scenarios have the Eagles at 8-8.

So, let's take a look at their H2H matchups with each 6-8 team.

GB - W

SF - W

CAR - W

MIN - DNP - would be 8-4 in conference, Philly 7-5. Minn wins.

STL - DNP - would be 6-6 in conference, Philly 7-5. Philly wins.

So, if the Saints win vs. NYG this week and Green Bay wins over Minnesota, the Eagles are in I believe.

ETA - Wait - the Giants could be 8-8 with Philly and have the same div. and conf. records after a H2H split.

The common games (14) would have the Eagles at 6-8, NYG at 8-6. Giants would be in.

So a Saints W and a GB W doesn't push them in.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/playoffrace/scenariosPhiladelphia can clinch a playoff berth with:

A win OR

A tie and EITHER

A N.Y. Giants loss or tie OR

An Atlanta loss

 
McNabb, to his credit, has made himself into a respectable QB in spite of Reid's worst efforts, but as I've said before I'd love to see McNabb in Norv Turner's or Joe Gibbs' or Al Saunders' offenses, each of which has been known to make strong armed but otherwise modestly talented QB's into stars. Strong running game and play-action passing. I'd love to see what McNabb could do with that.
Agreed. I'd also add that McNabb has been inserted into a pass-heavy offense and given receivers that were barely NFL backup quality to throw to. Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Freddie Mitchell, Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, James Thrash, Antonio Freeman and Wilbur McMullen were/are barely talented WRs at an NFL level. The fact that in the past 2-3 years the Eagles have finally seemed to bypass Andy Reid's learning disabled approach to the importance of actual WR quality in a pass-heavy offense is telling of the current success of the offense with the backup QB. Also that AR has seemed to hand off the play calling seems to have resulted in a better planned, more balanced offense. The big man does learn...eventually, just much more slowly than anyone else would.Next maybe the Eagles will somehow get around the AR/Jim Johnson LIE that LBs are actually an important and integral part of any quality defense. They tell you that but it's a lie, considering that the AR regime has invested 3 2nd round picks (including 1 with the 4th overall pick in the 2nd round in 1999) and a 3rd (if in fact Gocong stays at LB). That shows that AR/JJ do value the LB position, they just haven't been very successful at drafting or developing any in the decade that they've been here...only to brush-off criticism with a comment like LBs aren't important in this defense to cover for their own failures at that position. Perhaps they should go back to the free agent route like they did when the LBs were Trotter, Shawn Barber and Carlos Emmons?
 
I think McNabb has been fine in the WCO offense. McNabb's strength is a strong arm to fit balls into tight spots. Although he has a very strong arm, he isn't incredibly accurate down the field. I think his skills sets could fit any number of offenses. the problem this year has been the defense. look at the games they lost with McNabb... defense didnt stop the run in any of those games. now that the Eagles Def is playing better, they're winning. hhmmmm, interesting....

McNabb is clearly a better QB than Garcia and McNabb is a top 3 or 4 QB in the NFL. hell, look at his numbers this year before the injury. he could have been a legitimate MVP candidate. the NFC is so bad and so watered-down that even Garcia can lead the Eagles to the playoffs if the defense plays well. now, if they'd face an AFC team (SD, Balt, Indy, NE, KC, Cinn) then they'd need their offense to be at its best and that would need McNabb.

but in an off-year for the NFC, the Eagles have a shot if the defense plays well like they did against the Giants on Sunday

 
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Glad to have been wrong on this one.This speaks volumes about Garcia, Reid and the team in general.Big props to Jim Johnson's defense really stepping up to the challenge. They won the Dallas game with that goal line stand. I don't know the numbers, but they have done very well over the years at the goal line.
 
Glad to have been wrong on this one.This speaks volumes about Garcia, Reid and the team in general.Big props to Jim Johnson's defense really stepping up to the challenge. They won the Dallas game with that goal line stand. I don't know the numbers, but they have done very well over the years at the goal line.
LOL!You have been wrong more than right on a lot of things this year! Don't kid yourself....
 
Glad to have been wrong on this one.This speaks volumes about Garcia, Reid and the team in general.Big props to Jim Johnson's defense really stepping up to the challenge. They won the Dallas game with that goal line stand. I don't know the numbers, but they have done very well over the years at the goal line.
To Andy Reid's credit as a head coach, this is the second time in five seasons that the team has rallied around modestly talented backup QB's to win critical stretch games and make the playoffs. They did it in 2002 with Detmer and Feeley. I may not like Reid's inflexible approach to offensive play-calling, but there's no disputing that he's kept his teams focused and unified through adversity (with only the TO episode being the notable exception), in sharp contrast, for example, to the arguably more talented and certainly louder Giants teams over the last couple of seasons.
 
There have been no harsher critics of Andy Reid than in Philadelphia; many of my season ticket buddies included. But they begrudgingly have to admit that what he's doing this year is a real statement of his coaching prowess.

Is he perfect? ABSOLUTELY NOT

But if there are five active head coaches I would rather see coaching the Birds, I can't think of them offhand.

 
Eagles have to be hoping they don't win this weekend, as the Giants will knock them out 1st Rd, no doubt. Obviously they manhandled the G-Men a few weeks ago, but with new playcalling Tiki will run rampant over that D, leaving Eagles fans watching the Super Bowl from home once again

 

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