Philip Hughes starting Thursday (1 Viewer)

[koby925]

For those who don't know him, Hughes is the uber pitching prospect for the Yanks. Don't know if this is a short term call up or what, but those in yearly leagues where he's available may want to take a flier. Personally, he's on my minor league roster and I keep his rights until he is no longer a rookie, so I don't know how I feel about this call up. Don't know if he's ready and I'd hate to see the Yanks mess with him. He was nearly unhittable in AA last year, but was roughed up this spring and early in AAA ball, though his last start was very good.

 

[ThisGuy]

For those who don't know him, Hughes is the uber pitching prospect for the Yanks. Don't know if this is a short term call up or what, but those in yearly leagues where he's available may want to take a flier. Personally, he's on my minor league roster and I keep his rights until he is no longer a rookie, so I don't know how I feel about this call up. Don't know if he's ready and I'd hate to see the Yanks mess with him. He was nearly unhittable in AA last year, but was roughed up this spring and early in AAA ball, though his last start was very good.

CONFIRMED!The. Future. Is. Now.

 

[Billy Bats]

Yankee nation, is this just a spot start because of injuries or could he stay in the rotation for the year? What's the inside word out of NY?

 

[ThisGuy]

Yankee nation, is this just a spot start because of injuries or could he stay in the rotation for the year? What's the inside word out of NY?

ETA: Yankees manager Joe Torre didn't rule out that the 20-year-old right-hander, taken in the first round of the 2004 amateur draft, might make more than one start."If we're comfortable and we sense he's comfortable, we'll see what we do," Torre said before the Yankees played Tampa Bay.Of course, Captain Hook will pull him in the 5th.

 

[Billy Bats]

Yankee nation, is this just a spot start because of injuries or could he stay in the rotation for the year? What's the inside word out of NY?

This has come across awful quick...I'm not sure yet...I'll pass along what I hear tonight.

Cool, much appreciated.ETA: Thanks for the quick update.

 

[koby925]

From sportsline:

Phil Hughes, SP NYY

News: Phenom Philip Hughes, who was lights out in his April 18 Triple-A outing, will start against the Blue Jays Thursday and Jeff Karstens will have his start pushed back to Friday against the Red Sox. Monday night is his regular day to start, but his Triple-A team next plays Tuesday. The uber prospect is 2-1 with a 3.94 ERA and 17 strikeouts in 16 Triple-A innings. He has walked just four.

Analysis: The Yankees could have held Hughes out until Friday, but having a rookie starter face the Red Sox hasn't worked out for them in the recent past. Consider Hughes a must-have in all deeper AL-only leagues where you can afford to stash him at this point. All Yankees starters who are good enough to pitch five innings are solid options in Fantasy. Hughes is as talented as any pitcher in the minor leagues.

 

[Sammy3469]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I'm suprised, I figured no way before Memorial Day, but he's coming and I'll be watching. This should be exciting.

 

[The Houston Stallions]

He's still not listed at Yahoo. I'm guessing he'll be added after the start.

 

[Wrigley]

Drafted him, and I can't wait to see him this Thursday.

 

[my man otis]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems. I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

 

[Limp Ditka]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

 

[my man otis]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

yeah, baseball prospectus has it wrong, right?

Top 100 prospects

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23

2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21 first pitcher listed

3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21

4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21

5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22

6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23

7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20

8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23

9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20

10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21

 

[Limp Ditka]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

yeah, baseball prospectus has it wrong, right?

Top 100 prospects

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23

2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21 first pitcher listed

3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21

4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21

5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22

6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23

7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20

8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23

9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20

10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21

BP 100% right, every time.I think that's their slogan if I'm not mistaken

 

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Mistake

 

[Sammy3469]

' date='Apr 23 2007, 10:36 PM' post='6655472']Mistake

I'm not sure what list he's quoting from bp, but Pecota has Lincecum ahead of Hughes...though Silver says he'd take Hughes ahead of Lincecum since he has a longer record. I just think it's funny that the Yankee brass claimed he needed more seasoning 3 weeks ago and once their staff has been shown to be so piss poor he gets called up....

 

[Daywalker]

' date='Apr 23 2007, 10:36 PM' post='6655472']Mistake

I'm not sure what list he's quoting from bp, but Pecota has Lincecum ahead of Hughes...though Silver says he'd take Hughes ahead of Lincecum since he has a longer record. I just think it's funny that the Yankee brass claimed he needed more seasoning 3 weeks ago and once their staff has been shown to be so piss poor he gets called up....

Why is that funny? They probably do think he needs more seasoning but he is their best option. Plus six-shutout innnings striking out 10 made the decision a bit easier.The kid is going to take his knocks no matter when he comes up. Might as well do it now. No reason to waste his odometer in the minors anymore.It's silly that Lincecum is in the minors too. He's unhittable right now.

 

[fasteddie_21]

Either Philip Hughes or Homer Bailey is the #1 pitching prospect in the league.

That said, I think this is a mistake. Hell, Homer has an ERA below 1.80 and I still think he needs much more time in AAA to work on his control. Hughes is in the same boat...

We shall see...I'll be watching though.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

yeah, baseball prospectus has it wrong, right?

Top 100 prospects

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23

2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21 first pitcher listed

3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21

4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21

5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22

6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23

7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20

8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23

9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20

10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21

Well they have been wrong before and with prospects you just never know. Lincecum, Bailey, Miller, and Hughes are all about the same if you average out all the scouts and a guy like Miller just has insane stuff. They will probably all be good but a prospect is still just that. I'd take any of these guys in my farm system though.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

yeah, baseball prospectus has it wrong, right?

Top 100 prospects

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23

2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21 first pitcher listed

3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21

4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21

5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22

6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23

7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20

8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23

9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20

10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21

Well they have been wrong before and with prospects you just never know. Lincecum, Bailey, Miller, and Hughes are all about the same if you average out all the scouts and a guy like Miller just has insane stuff. They will probably all be good but a prospect is still just that. I'd take any of these guys in my farm system though.

Anyway you slice it, its not NY hype. Now we may be lucky to have even one of these guys be a 5th starter, they are prospects for a reason, and all probably pretty close in skill and all pretty talented, so its a bit of hair splitting. But Hughes isn't a NY creation.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

yeah, baseball prospectus has it wrong, right?

Top 100 prospects

1. Alex Gordon, 3B, Royals, 23

2. Philip Hughes, RHP, Yankees, 21 first pitcher listed

3. Delmon Young, OF, Devil Rays, 21

4. Homer Bailey, RHP, Reds, 21

5. Brandon Wood, SS, Angels, 22

6. Tim Lincecum, RHP, Giants, 23

7. Cameron Maybin, OF, Tigers, 20

8. Chris Young, OF, Diamondbacks, 23

9. Jay Bruce, OF, Reds, 20

10. Evan Longoria, 3B, Devil Rays, 21

Well they have been wrong before and with prospects you just never know. Lincecum, Bailey, Miller, and Hughes are all about the same if you average out all the scouts and a guy like Miller just has insane stuff. They will probably all be good but a prospect is still just that. I'd take any of these guys in my farm system though.

Anyway you slice it, its not NY hype. Now we may be lucky to have even one of these guys be a 5th starter, they are prospects for a reason, and all probably pretty close in skill and all pretty talented, so its a bit of hair splitting. But Hughes isn't a NY creation.

Didn't say it was. He would be a top prospect if he was in the Devil Rays system.

 

[ThisGuy]

1. They have babied him from the start.

2. Let him get his feet wet now. They have a need, he can fill it.

3. He's been ranked as one of the top 3 prospects for the last few years. This isn't a "Yankees creation" damn haters.

Bottom line is with Captain Hook as his manager, he's not going to throw too many pitches. Captain Hook has already worn out the pen, so this gives him a long reliever in Rasner or Karstens who can eat up a few innings until the rotation is stabilized.

With Pettitte and Mussina on the roster, they could teach the kid a thing or 2.

I'm anxious to see the kid pitch.

 

[Limp Ditka]

You Yankee fans are touchy, aren't you?

"He's ours, he must be the best"

There's always a couple of prospects out there in the Yankees system that gets pimped a little more than they should be.

It's the nature of the beast. When you have 25 beat writers covering all things Yankees, these things are going to happen. Especially when every other team has 5-10 and some even less than that.

More press = more hype and sometimes that blows what reality is out of whack. That's caused me to be skeptical about their prospects.

Hughes might be a flat out stud when it's all said and done. Hell, I even picked him up when I saw the news he was getting the call, but I was harldy being insulting when I called him top 5.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I tried to draft him last night but the commish said no since he wasn't officially in the MLB yet. D'oh!

 

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My guess (and really that's all it is) for his line on Thursday vs Toronto:

5.1 IP - 5R - 4ER - 7H - 3BB - 4K

 

[Colin Dowling]

' date='Apr 24 2007, 02:30 PM' post='6656836']My guess (and really that's all it is) for his line on Thursday vs Toronto:5.1 IP - 5R - 4ER - 7H - 3BB - 4K

Looks about right. I'm not holding my breath waiting for any Yankees starter outside of Pettite and Wang to look "great" any time soon.

 

[koby925]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

I actually hate the Yanks but am a big fan of PH. I'm sure there's some NY hype on him, but I've read a couple reasons that he and Bailey are more 1a and 1b in terms of pitching prospects slightly ahead of Lincecum, Miller and probably Gallardo rounding out the top 5. It's all about risk/reward. Lincecum is a slightly built guy (but so is Pedro), his arm motion scares some who see future injuries and he hasn't had the same body of work in the minors that Hughes and Bailey have. But on stuff alone and highest upside if you will, agree that Lincecum is tops.

 

[Sammy3469]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

I actually hate the Yanks but am a big fan of PH. I'm sure there's some NY hype on him, but I've read a couple reasons that he and Bailey are more 1a and 1b in terms of pitching prospects slightly ahead of Lincecum, Miller and probably Gallardo rounding out the top 5. It's all about risk/reward. Lincecum is a slightly built guy (but so is Pedro), his arm motion scares some who see future injuries and he hasn't had the same body of work in the minors that Hughes and Bailey have. But on stuff alone and highest upside if you will, agree that Lincecum is tops.

FWIW, the Giants GM says Lincecum is going to be in San Fran sooner rather than later....his entire story is a little unbelievable.

His senior year at Liberty High School in Renton, Wash., Lincecum was throwing 80 mph, 81 tops, and then in the middle of a game, his next pitch was 90. Instantly.

His sophomore year of college, he was pitching in the Cape Cod League all-star game, throwing low 90s when scouts started smacking their radar guns. Halfway through the game, this scrawny kid suddenly was throwing 98.

"I can't explain it," Lincecum says. "No one can."

It was something out of a Disney movie, and if they make it, they'll have to cast David Spade.

When he pitches, he pushes off so hard his left foot lands almost entirely off the mound. He's a human whip, as old-school as a doubleheader.

 

[Limp Ditka]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

I actually hate the Yanks but am a big fan of PH. I'm sure there's some NY hype on him, but I've read a couple reasons that he and Bailey are more 1a and 1b in terms of pitching prospects slightly ahead of Lincecum, Miller and probably Gallardo rounding out the top 5. It's all about risk/reward. Lincecum is a slightly built guy (but so is Pedro), his arm motion scares some who see future injuries and he hasn't had the same body of work in the minors that Hughes and Bailey have. But on stuff alone and highest upside if you will, agree that Lincecum is tops.

FWIW, the Giants GM says Lincecum is going to be in San Fran sooner rather than later....his entire story is a little unbelievable.

His senior year at Liberty High School in Renton, Wash., Lincecum was throwing 80 mph, 81 tops, and then in the middle of a game, his next pitch was 90. Instantly.

His sophomore year of college, he was pitching in the Cape Cod League all-star game, throwing low 90s when scouts started smacking their radar guns. Halfway through the game, this scrawny kid suddenly was throwing 98.

"I can't explain it," Lincecum says. "No one can."

It was something out of a Disney movie, and if they make it, they'll have to cast David Spade.

When he pitches, he pushes off so hard his left foot lands almost entirely off the mound. He's a human whip, as old-school as a doubleheader.

I'll have to look around for it but I saw a frame by frame break down of Lincecum pitching somewhere the other day. The kid uses his whole body to pitch so effectively. I think I'd be worried about other parts of him breaking down before the arm.

 

[Limp Ditka]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

I actually hate the Yanks but am a big fan of PH. I'm sure there's some NY hype on him, but I've read a couple reasons that he and Bailey are more 1a and 1b in terms of pitching prospects slightly ahead of Lincecum, Miller and probably Gallardo rounding out the top 5. It's all about risk/reward. Lincecum is a slightly built guy (but so is Pedro), his arm motion scares some who see future injuries and he hasn't had the same body of work in the minors that Hughes and Bailey have. But on stuff alone and highest upside if you will, agree that Lincecum is tops.

FWIW, the Giants GM says Lincecum is going to be in San Fran sooner rather than later....his entire story is a little unbelievable.

His senior year at Liberty High School in Renton, Wash., Lincecum was throwing 80 mph, 81 tops, and then in the middle of a game, his next pitch was 90. Instantly.

His sophomore year of college, he was pitching in the Cape Cod League all-star game, throwing low 90s when scouts started smacking their radar guns. Halfway through the game, this scrawny kid suddenly was throwing 98.

"I can't explain it," Lincecum says. "No one can."

It was something out of a Disney movie, and if they make it, they'll have to cast David Spade.

When he pitches, he pushes off so hard his left foot lands almost entirely off the mound. He's a human whip, as old-school as a doubleheader.

I'll have to look around for it but I saw a frame by frame break down of Lincecum pitching somewhere the other day. The kid uses his whole body to pitch so effectively. I think I'd be worried about other parts of him breaking down before the arm.

Here it is.http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...scussion/48161/

The kid is a freak

 

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That rocks... can't wait to see that kid pitch.

Damn I love baseball

 

[Sammy3469]

on a serious note...is there any chance Torre won't abuse this guy?

 

[ThisGuy]

on a serious note...is there any chance Torre won't abuse this guy?

Captain Hook hasn't let anyone get to the 7th yet, so I'd say no. He'll be in the rotation, not the pen and his name isn't Scott Proctor.

 

[shadyridr]

on a serious note...is there any chance Torre won't abuse this guy?

Does he come out of the bullpen?

 

[Smack Tripper]

We'll see...there's a reason he didn't start the season in the Show and I doubt 3 Minor League starts have necessarily solved his problems.

I guess this shows just how desparate Torre is right now for quality starts.

solved what problems? he's the #1 pitching prospect in baseball.they wanted to get him some innings in AAA. the yankess pitching is terrible, so they brought him up earlier than they thought.

personally i think unless he bombs he's up for good.

Typical NY hypeI'll give you top five pitching prospects, but there's a couple I'd put in front of him

Tim Lincecum

Homer Bailey

Andrew Miller

I actually hate the Yanks but am a big fan of PH. I'm sure there's some NY hype on him, but I've read a couple reasons that he and Bailey are more 1a and 1b in terms of pitching prospects slightly ahead of Lincecum, Miller and probably Gallardo rounding out the top 5. It's all about risk/reward. Lincecum is a slightly built guy (but so is Pedro), his arm motion scares some who see future injuries and he hasn't had the same body of work in the minors that Hughes and Bailey have. But on stuff alone and highest upside if you will, agree that Lincecum is tops.

FWIW, the Giants GM says Lincecum is going to be in San Fran sooner rather than later....his entire story is a little unbelievable.

His senior year at Liberty High School in Renton, Wash., Lincecum was throwing 80 mph, 81 tops, and then in the middle of a game, his next pitch was 90. Instantly.

His sophomore year of college, he was pitching in the Cape Cod League all-star game, throwing low 90s when scouts started smacking their radar guns. Halfway through the game, this scrawny kid suddenly was throwing 98.

"I can't explain it," Lincecum says. "No one can."

It was something out of a Disney movie, and if they make it, they'll have to cast David Spade.

When he pitches, he pushes off so hard his left foot lands almost entirely off the mound. He's a human whip, as old-school as a doubleheader.

I'll have to look around for it but I saw a frame by frame break down of Lincecum pitching somewhere the other day. The kid uses his whole body to pitch so effectively. I think I'd be worried about other parts of him breaking down before the arm.

Here it is.http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/...scussion/48161/

The kid is a freak

Not that I ever so much broke 80 mph on my best day, but I remember seeing a great tip from Goose Gossage on maybe TWIB or some Yankees pregame, but he basically got across to me an adage I carried and pass down to any little league pitcher that looks like its in action here and its simply, "Show the hitter your back pocket". It promotes turn and torque and definately helps with that explosion. He does look very slight though.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

He's still not listed at Yahoo. I'm guessing he'll be added after the start.

He's listed now. Waiver til Apr 27

 

[Sammy3469]

on a serious note...is there any chance Torre won't abuse this guy?

Captain Hook hasn't let anyone get to the 7th yet, so I'd say no. He'll be in the rotation, not the pen and his name isn't Scott Proctor.

Yeah because its not like this guy has ever thrown more than 150 innings in a year....this situation just screams OVERUSE to me in one form or another for the long run

 

[Smack Tripper]

He's still not listed at Yahoo. I'm guessing he'll be added after the start.

He's listed now. Waiver til Apr 27

What do you guys think, is he worth 4th waiver prioity in a 16 teamer? 9 x 9, K/BB, WHIp and K's being what I'm most interested. For what its worth, my staff is loaded:SantanaC. ZambranoPeavyHamelsD. CabreraJenksFuentesOwensOkajimaAardsmaI don't like the divsion or Torre's hook, but I think he's got some steep upside. I dont' think he'd make it through waivers to sign as free agent, but maybe thats me.

 

[shadyridr]

Id drop Okajima for him

 

[Smack Tripper]

Id drop Okajima for him

But potentially lose the waiver priority? Or is this the kind of guy you use your prioity on?

 

[shadyridr]

Id drop Okajima for him

But potentially lose the waiver priority? Or is this the kind of guy you use your prioity on?

It depends if you think he's gonna stick or not. Nobody knows for sure right now. Torre has said that he is not sure and that this could possibly be more than a 1 start thing. My personal opinion is, the Yankees current rotation looks like this: Wang, Pettitte, Karstens, Igawa, Hughes. Once Mussina comes back (rumored to come back May 3) then one of the last 3 will be moved out of the rotation. I think it will be Igawa but it could be Karstens or Hughes also. I wouldnt worry about Pavano coming back with his history and all. If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

 

[LeonWashington29]

I hope Phil Hughes does good.

 

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If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

My concerns are that his ratio (WHIP) will hurt you. Young Strikeout guys more often than not try strike out every batter. They're throwers instead of pitchers. This often results in a higher than normal amount of walks (as well as often some big HRs if they don't have good late movement). I'm not saying hughes will succumb to this... I'm just saying it's very possible. I am unfamiliar with the kid's maturity level but looking at his success (or lack thereof) at the AAA level we might already be seeing sighns of that. (though he had a good final start there. I'm rooting for the kid.... I'd just temper expectations and hope to be pleasantly surprised. He could end up as good or better than PApelbon or he could turn out to be the next rick Ankiel or something.

 

[shadyridr]

' date='Apr 24 2007, 04:24 PM' post='6659107']

If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

My concerns are that his ratio (WHIP) will hurt you. Young Strikeout guys more often than not try strike out every batter. They're throwers instead of pitchers. This often results in a higher than normal amount of walks (as well as often some big HRs if they don't have good late movement). I'm not saying hughes will succumb to this... I'm just saying it's very possible. I am unfamiliar with the kid's maturity level but looking at his success (or lack thereof) at the AAA level we might already be seeing sighns of that. (though he had a good final start there. I'm rooting for the kid.... I'd just temper expectations and hope to be pleasantly surprised. He could end up as good or better than PApelbon or he could turn out to be the next rick Ankiel or something.

I agree. My excitement stems from the fact that he is a better option for the Yankees than what they currently have. But Id temper expectations fantasy wise.The fact is rookie pitchers often do NOT do well their first year. Justin Verlanders and Jered Weavers dont come around often. That being said, if I was in a fantasy league, Id definately grab him on the off chance he is one of the above if I dont have to drop a good player.

 

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If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

My concerns are that his ratio (WHIP) will hurt you. Young Strikeout guys more often than not try strike out every batter. They're throwers instead of pitchers. This often results in a higher than normal amount of walks (as well as often some big HRs if they don't have good late movement). I'm not saying hughes will succumb to this... I'm just saying it's very possible. I am unfamiliar with the kid's maturity level but looking at his success (or lack thereof) at the AAA level we might already be seeing sighns of that. (though he had a good final start there.

I'm rooting for the kid.... I'd just temper expectations and hope to be pleasantly surprised. He could end up as good or better than PApelbon or he could turn out to be the next rick Ankiel or something.

I agree. My excitement stems from the fact that he is a better option for the Yankees than what they currently have. But Id temper expectations fantasy wise.The fact is rookie pitchers often do NOT do well their first year. Justin Verlanders and Jered Weavers dont come around often. That being said, if I was in a fantasy league, Id definately grab him on the off chance he is one of the above if I dont have to drop a good player.

There is no doubting he has HUGE upside

 

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' date='Apr 24 2007, 04:24 PM' post='6659107']

If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

My concerns are that his ratio (WHIP) will hurt you. Young Strikeout guys more often than not try strike out every batter. They're throwers instead of pitchers. This often results in a higher than normal amount of walks (as well as often some big HRs if they don't have good late movement). I'm not saying hughes will succumb to this... I'm just saying it's very possible. I am unfamiliar with the kid's maturity level but looking at his success (or lack thereof) at the AAA level we might already be seeing sighns of that. (though he had a good final start there.

I'm rooting for the kid.... I'd just temper expectations and hope to be pleasantly surprised. He could end up as good or better than PApelbon or he could turn out to be the next rick Ankiel or something.

I agree. My excitement stems from the fact that he is a better option for the Yankees than what they currently have. But Id temper expectations fantasy wise.The fact is rookie pitchers often do NOT do well their first year. Justin Verlanders and Jered Weavers dont come around often. That being said, if I was in a fantasy league, Id definately grab him on the off chance he is one of the above if I dont have to drop a good player.

There is no doubting he has HUGE upside

This maybe true, but what if a person was sitting at the #1 waiver priority... Would it be worth the gamble?

 

[Daywalker]

' date='Apr 24 2007, 04:46 PM' post='6659252']

' date='Apr 24 2007, 04:24 PM' post='6659107']

If Hughes could pitch 6 innings a game with an ERA in the 4s hes gonna get a ton of Ks and Ws with that lineup.

My concerns are that his ratio (WHIP) will hurt you. Young Strikeout guys more often than not try strike out every batter. They're throwers instead of pitchers. This often results in a higher than normal amount of walks (as well as often some big HRs if they don't have good late movement). I'm not saying hughes will succumb to this... I'm just saying it's very possible. I am unfamiliar with the kid's maturity level but looking at his success (or lack thereof) at the AAA level we might already be seeing sighns of that. (though he had a good final start there.

I'm rooting for the kid.... I'd just temper expectations and hope to be pleasantly surprised. He could end up as good or better than PApelbon or he could turn out to be the next rick Ankiel or something.

I agree. My excitement stems from the fact that he is a better option for the Yankees than what they currently have. But Id temper expectations fantasy wise.The fact is rookie pitchers often do NOT do well their first year. Justin Verlanders and Jered Weavers dont come around often. That being said, if I was in a fantasy league, Id definately grab him on the off chance he is one of the above if I dont have to drop a good player.

There is no doubting he has HUGE upside

This maybe true, but what if a person was sitting at the #1 waiver priority... Would it be worth the gamble?

Can you trade Hughes to guy with #2 waiver priority?

 

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I would not use the #1 WW priority on Hughes.

I just don't think he's ready. He was sent down to work on his secondary pitching and I doubt he's perfected that. At most he'll get 1-2 starts. When Mussina and/or Pavano return Hughes will be sent down again.

The Yankees are deseprate for SP's and they are rushing their prized prospect.

 

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I would not use the #1 WW priority on Hughes.

Agreed here.... I'd consider with 4-5 or lower. Really depends on how competitive the league is and what your team's needs are. If you're running well and are quite deep then maybe so.... but if you think you might need to be scouring the wire soon for a closer or breakout bat then I'd be reluctant. If you're looking to "gamble" on a young arm I'd look into Lester (SP-BOS) instead who can be had more easily (IMHO) and could post similar numbers (perhaps a few less Ks with slightly better ratio's).He should have Tavarez's spot in the rotation by mid-may. He's looked pretty solid in his rehab starts after coming back from Cancer late last year.

 

[snitwitch]

Picked him up with my #6 wavier priority, now am being offered Brad Penny for him straight up.

Thoughts on what I should do here? Trade him before his start, or hold onto him and see what happens?