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Philip Hughes starting Thursday (1 Viewer)

Picked him up with my #6 wavier priority, now am being offered Brad Penny for him straight up.Thoughts on what I should do here? Trade him before his start, or hold onto him and see what happens?
I'd trade him for Penny. Penny's injury wasn't serious I don't think. This other owner is banking on Peney not finishing the season. And that might be true. But if Hughes gets sent down in a few weeks, he might once again be on the waiver wire in your league.
 
FYI everything I'm hearing over at YES is that he's not going to get more than 85 pitches in tonight.

 
Picked him up with my #6 wavier priority, now am being offered Brad Penny for him straight up.Thoughts on what I should do here? Trade him before his start, or hold onto him and see what happens?
I would hold.
Now being offered:Sheff + Tom GorzelannyforHughes + MussinaI need power and am thinking of taking this...Anyone?
No brainer IMO. If you can spare the Ws, take the deal
 
Picked him up with my #6 wavier priority, now am being offered Brad Penny for him straight up.Thoughts on what I should do here? Trade him before his start, or hold onto him and see what happens?
I would hold.
Now being offered:Sheff + Tom GorzelannyforHughes + MussinaI need power and am thinking of taking this...Anyone?
No brainer IMO. If you can spare the Ws, take the deal
Thanks, needed confirmation on this one :mellow:I have tons of Ws, but need power badly. Sheff is going to break out of his slump very soon I reckon.
 
I'm considering dropping A. Sanchez(P-FLA) or Z. Greinke(P-KC) for Hughes.

A. Would you drop either for P. Hughes

B. Which one would you drop

I've got Sanchez on the cutting block after Greinke's decent performance today.

 
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict.

All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.

The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.

 
' date='Apr 24 2007, 09:30 AM' post='6656836']My guess (and really that's all it is) for his line on Thursday vs Toronto:5.1 IP - 5R - 4ER - 7H - 3BB - 4K
Okay.. so he didn't las as long as I expected but not a BAD first outing4.1 IP - 4R - 4ER - 7H - 1BB - 5K Pretty close :thumbup:
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
 
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NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Agreed, and the velocity may come with time, at 20, he's actually still growing and those shoulders figure to broaden a bit. However, lest anyone wonder, this is NOT Dwight Gooden. Hell, he's not even Cole Hamels from what I can see. But I did see enough to want to see more. He could be ok, but I find it hard to believe this kid is one of the top prospects in the game.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Agreed, and the velocity may come with time, at 20, he's actually still growing and those shoulders figure to broaden a bit. However, lest anyone wonder, this is NOT Dwight Gooden. Hell, he's not even Cole Hamels from what I can see. But I did see enough to want to see more. He could be ok, but I find it hard to believe this kid is one of the top prospects in the game.
Are you saying BP could be wrong? :shrug:
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Agreed, and the velocity may come with time, at 20, he's actually still growing and those shoulders figure to broaden a bit. However, lest anyone wonder, this is NOT Dwight Gooden. Hell, he's not even Cole Hamels from what I can see. But I did see enough to want to see more. He could be ok, but I find it hard to believe this kid is one of the top prospects in the game.
Yeah...he's more in the Mussina mold than a pure power pitcher...he certaily doesn't have blow you away power stuff like Lincecum.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
his FB is plenty fast but it's straight as an arrow. might as well lob it underhanded if it's gonna be that straight.
 
I was pretty satisfied with his performance as a fan. The first inning was tough, but not unexpected. The fact that he came back and shut them down for 3 innings after was good.

The best part of the game was in the 4th inning ( I think ) where he gave up that monster upper deck foul ball home run. You wouldn't be surprised to see a young pitcher get a little worried about throwing the same pitch or being aggressive in the zone after that but he was, and K'ed that batter and the next one 3 pitches, then got a weak pop up.

That was clutch to me. I don't get the babying and pitch count crap, but I'm not the GM, so I'll let it slide for now. He better not have the same diaper on in his next start.

 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Ive never seen someone insult every single Yankee player no matter what as much as you do. :lmao:
 
I was pretty satisfied with his performance as a fan. The first inning was tough, but not unexpected. The fact that he came back and shut them down for 3 innings after was good.

The best part of the game was in the 4th inning ( I think ) where he gave up that monster upper deck foul ball home run. You wouldn't be surprised to see a young pitcher get a little worried about throwing the same pitch or being aggressive in the zone after that but he was, and K'ed that batter and the next one 3 pitches, then got a weak pop up.

That was clutch to me. I don't get the babying and pitch count crap, but I'm not the GM, so I'll let it slide for now. He better not have the same diaper on in his next start.
It has something to do with the Mark Prior, Liriano, King Felix experience...once you start down the road of limiting pitches, you pretty much have to continue with it otherwise you risk blowing the guys arm off.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Agreed, and the velocity may come with time, at 20, he's actually still growing and those shoulders figure to broaden a bit. However, lest anyone wonder, this is NOT Dwight Gooden. Hell, he's not even Cole Hamels from what I can see. But I did see enough to want to see more. He could be ok, but I find it hard to believe this kid is one of the top prospects in the game.
It was his first start but I dont think anyone thought hed be as good as Gooden.If I had to compare him to a current pitcher Id say Brett Myers.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Ive never seen someone insult every single Yankee player no matter what as much as you do. :D
Just the pitchers...and comparing him to Mussina is a freaking compliment. I don't see how you can argue that he had trouble with the better Jays hitters....I don't think its insulting to say the guy's still young and learning.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Ive never seen someone insult every single Yankee player no matter what as much as you do. :D
Just the pitchers...and comparing him to Mussina is a freaking compliment. I don't see how you can argue that he had trouble with the better Jays hitters....I don't think its insulting to say the guy's still young and learning.
ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
This comment is what pushed me over the edge. Seemed like a low blow. I know the good hitters got hits off of him but it was his first start and hes 20 years old. His stuff impressed me enough where Id be confident with him up here for the long haul.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
Excellent write-up.Agree with most of it except the last statement. "Tommy John waiting to happen" is pushing it.Nerves in the 1st inning.Bad call in the 5th inning. McDonald was clearly out.He left his fastball up in the zone to Rios & Wells twice and both times they were hammered for singles.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
 
NY/NJMFDIVER said:
Obviously nervous and shaky in the first, settled down and got tired around 90 pitches due to this ridculous organizational pitch count edict. All in all, great 1 to 7 curve ball, really falls of the table and he was able to locate it for strikes, which is good. He seems to miss bats with this heater, and he was getting it past guys upstairs after the 1st inning. He misses bats, indicating some late life to me, because the velocity wasn't as eyepopping as the results(5K's and quite a few weak pop-ups). We'll see if he gets a few more starts and once the advance scouts break He never really got into a pattern. Not that its easy to tell through 4 plus innings, but he threw the fast ball and curve both ahead and behind in the count. Thats the good.The bad is, he's 20, and his poise will be a question all season. I'll give him the first inning in the big leagues, as he got tagged by an All Star in Wells(on a ball that would have been out on a warm night) and he lost a battle to a Hall of Famer in Thomas. Looked like he might have overthrown early and caused the ball to straighten out or maybe it was not pitching in 8 days or whatever it is now. The most glaring thing to me though is in the kick portion of his wind-up, he looks like he wraps the ball and I was amazed he threw as many strikes as he did. Looks like a LOT of torque on the elbow, and I'd be concerned with his motion over the long haul, especially with the way he pops those curveballs. Tommy John waiting to happen.
It should be noted that 3 of those Ks were against Lind who himself is a rookie who needs his own seasoning. He wasn't fooling Rios, Wells, Thomas, or Overbay. Unless he gets that fastball, well faster he'll have problems against the better batters in the league.ETA: So it looks like he can handle average to below average MLB hitters...with good hitters giving him problems which is better than some of the other Yankee starters.
Agreed, and the velocity may come with time, at 20, he's actually still growing and those shoulders figure to broaden a bit. However, lest anyone wonder, this is NOT Dwight Gooden. Hell, he's not even Cole Hamels from what I can see. But I did see enough to want to see more. He could be ok, but I find it hard to believe this kid is one of the top prospects in the game.
It was his first start but I dont think anyone thought hed be as good as Gooden.If I had to compare him to a current pitcher Id say Brett Myers.
:goodposting: EXCELLENT comparison!I definately didn't expect Dwight Gooden, but for the hype that surrounded this, I mean, we haven't seen this kind of blitz around a Yankee rookie since the Taylor/Johnson/Kamienecki days when all you had to cling to was some glimpse of the future. I was amazed at the time dedicated to him on the pregame, it was like Clemens is coming back. He could be servicable this year, and certainly more effective on the back end of the rotation than Igawa or someone, but he's a contributor, not someone who'll carry the load, yet.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
Considering they have an off day on Monday its almost impossible.
I had heard he was going Tuesday in Texas, and if no off days follow, that could line him up for Sunday?
Wow maybe this has to do with getting Mussina into the rotation on May 3. Sorry for my mistake. Anyway, if he does start against those 2 teams he is an excellent start because both teams cant hit.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:confused: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:football: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:thumbup: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.

The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:football: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:thumbup: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
the YES guys said it last night...Igawa gets his pitches up which then get hammered. He's going to the bully to work on getting his pitches down in the zone...though the YES guys said he wouldn't be put into games.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:lmao: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:lmao: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
Mussina is replacing Igawa and should be good to go May 3. The rotation right now is Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Hughes, Karstens. I doubt Pavano will come back. But if he does itll be between Karstens and Hughes depending on whos pitching better.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:mellow: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:loco: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
Mussina is replacing Igawa and should be good to go May 3. The rotation right now is Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Hughes, Karstens. I doubt Pavano will come back. But if he does itll be between Karstens and Hughes depending on whos pitching better.
Thanks.As a Yankee fan, do you want Hughes to be thrown to the wolves and stay up or do you want him back down in the minors?
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:mellow: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:loco: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
Mussina is replacing Igawa and should be good to go May 3. The rotation right now is Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Hughes, Karstens. I doubt Pavano will come back. But if he does itll be between Karstens and Hughes depending on whos pitching better.
Thanks.As a Yankee fan, do you want Hughes to be thrown to the wolves and stay up or do you want him back down in the minors?
If he pitches like last night Id be fine with him up here. In a perfect scenario I wouldve liked to seem him stay in the minors until July but Im ok with him up here now.
 
Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:thumbup: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:lmao: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
Mussina is replacing Igawa and should be good to go May 3. The rotation right now is Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Hughes, Karstens. I doubt Pavano will come back. But if he does itll be between Karstens and Hughes depending on whos pitching better.
Thanks.As a Yankee fan, do you want Hughes to be thrown to the wolves and stay up or do you want him back down in the minors?
If he pitches like last night Id be fine with him up here. In a perfect scenario I wouldve liked to seem him stay in the minors until July but Im ok with him up here now.
I just had the opportunity to read the Daily News. Torre states that Igawa is going to the bullpen (which would make him a 46 million dollar long man - only the Yanks can do this) and will only possibly miss one start.I'm still not sold on Hughes staying up with the big team.
 
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Is this guy starting twice next week?
That's the million dollar question.Hard to say right now but I still think he gets sent down after another start or two.The kid looked good. But he's a 20 year old rookie that will have ups & downs. People using a high WW claim to get him will be disappointed. The AL EAST is tough.
:banned: Igawa has already been taken out of the rotation.
:link: ???What happens to Hughes when Mussina & (gasp) Pavano come back?
Mussina is replacing Igawa and should be good to go May 3. The rotation right now is Pettitte, Wang, Moose, Hughes, Karstens. I doubt Pavano will come back. But if he does itll be between Karstens and Hughes depending on whos pitching better.
Thanks.As a Yankee fan, do you want Hughes to be thrown to the wolves and stay up or do you want him back down in the minors?
If he pitches like last night Id be fine with him up here. In a perfect scenario I wouldve liked to seem him stay in the minors until July but Im ok with him up here now.
I just had the opportunity to read the Daily News. Torre states that Igawa is going to the bullpen (which would make him a 46 million dollar long man - only the Yanks can do this) and will only possibly miss one start.I'm still not sold on Hughes staying up with the big team.
Have you seen Igawa pitch? Im not too worried about him. I think the Yankees realize they made a mistake when signing him and dont wanna make 2 wrongs into a right.
 
Igawa from Rotoworld...

The Yankees have decided to start Jeff Karstens over Kei Igawa against the Red Sox on Saturday.

Interesting. Let's say Karstens is the better pitcher: we'd still take our chances with the pitcher the Red Sox have never seen before over the one they just lit up a week earlier. Igawa might go right back into the rotation next week, or he might find himself in Triple-A when Mike Mussina comes off the DL. It'd be a risk to drop him in AL-only leagues, but it seems doubtful that he'll be worth using again anytime soon.

 
Igawa from Rotoworld...The Yankees have decided to start Jeff Karstens over Kei Igawa against the Red Sox on Saturday.Interesting. Let's say Karstens is the better pitcher: we'd still take our chances with the pitcher the Red Sox have never seen before over the one they just lit up a week earlier. Igawa might go right back into the rotation next week, or he might find himself in Triple-A when Mike Mussina comes off the DL. It'd be a risk to drop him in AL-only leagues, but it seems doubtful that he'll be worth using again anytime soon.
ONLY the Yankees can make this kind of 46 million dollar mistake and just move on like nothing happened.Igawa has officially been "Kevin Brown'ed".One more bad outing and he'll disappear quicker than Hoffa did.
 
Loved the curve, the fastball, on the other hand, has no movement. That will be a big problem unless he can hit the middle 90's and/or locate it very well.

 
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