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Pick #2 PPR Redraft Strategy Thread (1 Viewer)
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chickensoup
Footballguy
Arian Foster or Doug Martin for me. I flip flop on them in my head but would probably err on the side of Foster because of track record myself. Past that, unless a RB like Sproles or CJ really falls it might be hard to take a RB at either side of the 2/3 turn and I would probably get 2 consistant high volume WRs like Marshall and Andre Johnson or get something like Marshall and a QB. That's my plan anyways
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Saint
Footballguy
Jamaal Charles has to be in consideration here. Reid has shown a preference for dump passes to his RBs in the past and I find it hard to believe that this wouldn't be the case in KC. With Alex Smith at QB, he fits the mold of the WCO style, which is short accurate passes. IMO, I see Charles having a 50-70 reception year which is great for PPR.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Probably Charles for me too. At 2/3 I am looking at Sproles and D.Thomas
fightingillini
Footballguy
You take your best available RB at 2......doesn't matter if it's Foster, Charles, or Martin. Take one.
I will assume Jimmy Graham will not be available at 23.....the odds of that in a PPR are slim to none.
At 23, I would take a top remaining 6 WR if one is available. Most likely that will be one of Dez, Julio or D Thomas.
If none of these WRs are available, I take the best available RB with the 23, and then a WR like AJ, Roddy, Fitz, or V Jackson with the 26.
So I am looking at 2 RBs and 1 WR drafting from the 2 hole.
I will assume Jimmy Graham will not be available at 23.....the odds of that in a PPR are slim to none.
At 23, I would take a top remaining 6 WR if one is available. Most likely that will be one of Dez, Julio or D Thomas.
If none of these WRs are available, I take the best available RB with the 23, and then a WR like AJ, Roddy, Fitz, or V Jackson with the 26.
So I am looking at 2 RBs and 1 WR drafting from the 2 hole.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Been mocking the 2 slot a bit for my non-ppr, non-TE-mandatory draft on Thursday.
1st round = RB. We can all agree on that.
At the 2/3, I've tried both WR/RB and WR/WR there with mixed results. Never liking my team if I draft a QB, even if it's Bree's. Can't stand seeing Romo go in the 7th when I'm scrounging for WRs and RBs there. Suffice to say I'm taking the 12th QB, probably in the 6th or 7th round from the 2 slot this year.
At 4/5: if I go WR/WR at 2/3, I'm thinking of going with two rookie RBs here: 2 of Lacy, Gio or Ball. Bradshaw and mendenhall are always here as well, but not sure if I want to trust either of those guys this year. Matthews is usually there as well. Personal preference, of course, but I'm thinking I'm going RB/RB here if I go WR/WR at 2/3, thinking I can get my wr3 at the 6/7 turn and another WR at 8/9.
If I go WR/RB at 2/3, I'm still grabbing my backup rb3 at this turn, and grabbing the best WR available.
6/7 seems like the place I've been grabbing my QB and 3rd WR.
I think the toughest decision for me is the cut-off point at RB in the 2nd round, below which I'll go WR/WR at the 2/3. I'm thinking the line is Ridley (I'd take him if he fell) but I think I'll pass on the likes of DMC, MJD and Murray. I'm on the fence on Gore.
Any other thoughts out there?
1st round = RB. We can all agree on that.
At the 2/3, I've tried both WR/RB and WR/WR there with mixed results. Never liking my team if I draft a QB, even if it's Bree's. Can't stand seeing Romo go in the 7th when I'm scrounging for WRs and RBs there. Suffice to say I'm taking the 12th QB, probably in the 6th or 7th round from the 2 slot this year.
At 4/5: if I go WR/WR at 2/3, I'm thinking of going with two rookie RBs here: 2 of Lacy, Gio or Ball. Bradshaw and mendenhall are always here as well, but not sure if I want to trust either of those guys this year. Matthews is usually there as well. Personal preference, of course, but I'm thinking I'm going RB/RB here if I go WR/WR at 2/3, thinking I can get my wr3 at the 6/7 turn and another WR at 8/9.
If I go WR/RB at 2/3, I'm still grabbing my backup rb3 at this turn, and grabbing the best WR available.
6/7 seems like the place I've been grabbing my QB and 3rd WR.
I think the toughest decision for me is the cut-off point at RB in the 2nd round, below which I'll go WR/WR at the 2/3. I'm thinking the line is Ridley (I'd take him if he fell) but I think I'll pass on the likes of DMC, MJD and Murray. I'm on the fence on Gore.
Any other thoughts out there?
chickensoup
Footballguy
I'd trust MJD still if you want to go RB/WR/RB. My only problem with it is that WR/WR at 2/3 is really enticing and probably sets up your whole draft better in typical leagues because you can still grab anything your following 2 picks so values can make it back to you. Basically not reaching on a second RB means you probably maximize your point potential because your WR2 will be better than some folks WR1
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I drafted from the two slot last night and went rb/wr/rb/rb/rb/wr/wr. It was tempting to go rb/wr/wr but I didnt like the rb's coming back in round 4 so decided to load up on rbs and take some high upside wr's for my wr2 spot.
Foster
Dez
Gore
Ivory
Bell
Djax
Ty Hilton
VBrown
Foster
Dez
Gore
Ivory
Bell
Djax
Ty Hilton
VBrown
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ahartig
Footballguy
I have the 3 pick in a 10 man 0.5 ppr redraft and have been drafting RB - WR - RB in all of my mocks. If there are a few good WR left when it hits me in the second round, I will sometimes go RB there and wait for WR in 3rd round. Using this strategy has better me teams that I love, and 9 times out of 10, the FFguys rate my team program also loves.
I think MJD, CJ2K, Sjax, and even Sproles/Murray are doable in those positions, which in my opinion are all solid RB2s with every week RB1 potential.
I typically wait until 8th or 9th for QB and double up on a combo that typically includes two of the following; Stafford, Romo, Luck, Wilson.
After last nights pre-season game though, I may just choose one of the best available out of those in the 8/9 round and pick up Vick towards the end. Phillys new o-line and chips new offense could make Vick extremely valuable again and I'm willing to take the gamble with a solid late round QB as insurance.
I think MJD, CJ2K, Sjax, and even Sproles/Murray are doable in those positions, which in my opinion are all solid RB2s with every week RB1 potential.
I typically wait until 8th or 9th for QB and double up on a combo that typically includes two of the following; Stafford, Romo, Luck, Wilson.
After last nights pre-season game though, I may just choose one of the best available out of those in the 8/9 round and pick up Vick towards the end. Phillys new o-line and chips new offense could make Vick extremely valuable again and I'm willing to take the gamble with a solid late round QB as insurance.
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
Still chewing on DMart, JCharles, Mega or McCoy.
Charles foot injury, albeit a scare, immediately shoots a 'prone' bolt through my body.
Anyone else worried enough about JC's durability enough to pass him up?
Charles foot injury, albeit a scare, immediately shoots a 'prone' bolt through my body.
Anyone else worried enough about JC's durability enough to pass him up?
sportsphysio
Footballguy
Has anyone drafted or mocked going RB-RB-RB from the second spot? I'm in a 10 team league and based on ADP projections, it is possible to start out a draft with this:
1. D Martin
2. S Jax or R Bush
3. Sproles (we also get return yardage)
I love the idea of starting with these guys (using one in a flex), but not sure how badly that would affect the potential WR corp. Would having 3 really good PPR RB's be worth the trade off at WR?
1. D Martin
2. S Jax or R Bush
3. Sproles (we also get return yardage)
I love the idea of starting with these guys (using one in a flex), but not sure how badly that would affect the potential WR corp. Would having 3 really good PPR RB's be worth the trade off at WR?
jurb26
Footballguy
So I've been doing mocks over the past few weeks from the 2 spot, that I have in an upcoming draft. It's a PPR with flex league with 12 teams and here are my thoughts.
1. I'm pretty much going between Charles and Martin here. I like Charles slightly more I think in PPR and think he could be the best player overall this year. He has potential to catch 70+ passes. Martin is no slouch in his own right and also catches a decent a,punt of pass. What I like about Martin is he should score more. None the less, I'm going to take Charles I think as it would take roughly 4 TDs more from Martin to make up the reception gap in my projections.
2. Based on the mocks I've done this pick is likely to come down to a couple of WRs; A. Johnson and R White or a couple of RBs; DMac or Murray. I'll go with the WR here as I like both over the options at RB.
3. Seeing that I took WR last turn, one of the RBs left on the board are likely to remain. Most mocks have that guy being DMac, who I'd take.
4. Really have to hope a RB like Wilson falls to me here. He does about half the time in the mocks I've done. If not, there is a slew of WRs who are appealing, Wayne, A. Brown and Nelson.
5. If Wilson was there last pick, you have to take one of the previous WRs. If not, you probably took the WR last time and its time to look at some rookie RBs or TE. I'd probably take Lacy if that were the case.
So, thru 5 rounds I'm looking at a team of something like;
Charles
A. Johnson
DMac
Nelson
Lacy
1. I'm pretty much going between Charles and Martin here. I like Charles slightly more I think in PPR and think he could be the best player overall this year. He has potential to catch 70+ passes. Martin is no slouch in his own right and also catches a decent a,punt of pass. What I like about Martin is he should score more. None the less, I'm going to take Charles I think as it would take roughly 4 TDs more from Martin to make up the reception gap in my projections.
2. Based on the mocks I've done this pick is likely to come down to a couple of WRs; A. Johnson and R White or a couple of RBs; DMac or Murray. I'll go with the WR here as I like both over the options at RB.
3. Seeing that I took WR last turn, one of the RBs left on the board are likely to remain. Most mocks have that guy being DMac, who I'd take.
4. Really have to hope a RB like Wilson falls to me here. He does about half the time in the mocks I've done. If not, there is a slew of WRs who are appealing, Wayne, A. Brown and Nelson.
5. If Wilson was there last pick, you have to take one of the previous WRs. If not, you probably took the WR last time and its time to look at some rookie RBs or TE. I'd probably take Lacy if that were the case.
So, thru 5 rounds I'm looking at a team of something like;
Charles
A. Johnson
DMac
Nelson
Lacy
silentcoach
Footballguy
Here is how i would deal with this--if you're worried about him, then do not draft him. There is no need to have to worry about your FIRST round pick's health. Imagine how sick you will feel if you do think he is an injury risk AND he gets injured in week 1.
Right now, I am not worried about his health if he practices this week with no soreness the next day.
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Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Went
Charles
Chris Johnson
Roddy
Charles
Chris Johnson
Roddy
jurb26
Footballguy
I'd love to land Chris in 2nd. Oddly, about 2 weeks ago when I started doing mocks he was making it to me there consistently. The last week in a half or so however, he's never made it back. If he were there, I'd take him no questions asked.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
does anyone have concerns that there were 9 games were martin didnt score a td?
4 of the 12 came in a monster game.
4 of the 12 came in a monster game.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
agreed. i think people are seeing an improvement in the oline at tennessee.
I know it was only a mock but its interesting to see the movement of guys in drafting in early august compared to late august early september.
sometimes drafting early could be a gift or a curse, same with late
by_the_sea_wannabe
:sj:
yeah people catch up later but you run the risk of losing a high pick if you draft early. I like drafting during all 3 phases.
chickensoup
Footballguy
The 1-4 picks seem to have the highest variance of who is available in the last couple of weeks. In my draft masters slow draft I'm in right now I went Charles at 2 and thought I would get one of MJD/CJ/Bush in the second. Nope, had to "settle" for DThomas and Roddy White instead (with Brees in the 4th)
Much like 1.01, I think RB/WR/WR is probably the best value play from 1.02 unless one of CJ or MJD falls to you and you're comfortable with them. No reason to reach on a RB like Miller when you could still get a starter at the 4th/5th turn
Much like 1.01, I think RB/WR/WR is probably the best value play from 1.02 unless one of CJ or MJD falls to you and you're comfortable with them. No reason to reach on a RB like Miller when you could still get a starter at the 4th/5th turn
ebsteelers
Footballguy
not a bad way to settle. drafted 3rd in a draft earlier and similiar.. i took foster,, and was able to get thomas in round 2 and johnson in round 3 and gore in round 4...
now if i would of taken charles I'd be loving my team obviously with foster banged up now I have some concerns, then again maybe the injury concerns amount to nothing more than concerns or a game or 2 missed and nothing more
jdkapow
Footballguy
That's exactly who I got at 2/3 in a recent draft with the 2nd pick. Bush and Sproles both went before my pick at 23 and I wasn't keen on MJD. Ryan Mathews became my RB2 in the 4th.
I would definitely have taken Bush at 2, but the way things fell, the value was so slanted toward WR that RB/WR/WR was a no-brainer.
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
Am I crazy to consider Jimmy Graham or Calvin Johnson with pick 2 in my FFPC league?
Short Corner
Footballguy
Leaning JC or McCoy. Pass TDs are 6 so typically 4-5 QBs go in the first two rounds. Will be looking to get Graham (probably not) or one of the 6 WRs in the 2nd.
chickensoup
Footballguy
Yes that's crazy talk. Neither of them is going to be worth the point drop off at RB which is much much harder to get in the second round
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I'm heavily leaning
Charles
Bush
Roddy
I want 2 RB's out of first 3 picks. RB's drop off quite a bit.
Charles
Bush
Roddy
I want 2 RB's out of first 3 picks. RB's drop off quite a bit.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
According to ADPs that I see, you would still have the opportunity to take 2 of these guys:
Colston
Bowe
Welker
Wayne
Amendola
and a slight chance at VJax.
That's actually kind of interesting to me. Pair Colston and Bowe and get the safety of Colston with the upside of Bowe (as discussed in the Bowe v. Colston v. Wayne thread).
ebsteelers
Footballguy
this was the thread i was looking for this morning and couldnt seem to find it.
leaning martin at 2
best rb at 23
best wr at 26 unless someone else is there that blows me away
leaning martin at 2
best rb at 23
best wr at 26 unless someone else is there that blows me away
AeroFANatic
Footballguy
I am leaning Charles at #2, then coming back for the best WR and QB available. Starting with a Top 3 RB, WR, and QB is a no brainer to me.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Don't like the QB idea in the 3rd because Rodgers and Brees will be gone and from Newton to Brady, there are 7 guys who will likely finish close to one another. Plus Luck, Eli, Griffin and Wilson could all get close and most of those guys can be gotten later, some much later.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
We only get 4 pts passing TD's for QB's, so I am waiting until rd 7 or 8. I am 99% sure I'm going Charles then Bush in rds 1 and 2. Then the top WR in rd 3. All I know is, after 6 rds I want 3 RB's and 3 WR's.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Went Charles, cj1k, roddy.
At 4.11 I went Cam. Brees and Rodgers were gone before my 3rd (roddy). Followed by Witten at 5.2.
I planned on going RB/WR in the first 5 rounds. Torrey Smith and Ryan Mathews were the next players taken at those positions, I just can't pass on either Cam or Witten for those guys.
My WRs aren't great but I stockpiled and should be ok.
At 4.11 I went Cam. Brees and Rodgers were gone before my 3rd (roddy). Followed by Witten at 5.2.
I planned on going RB/WR in the first 5 rounds. Torrey Smith and Ryan Mathews were the next players taken at those positions, I just can't pass on either Cam or Witten for those guys.
My WRs aren't great but I stockpiled and should be ok.
No not at all. Both are high upside but at the same time arguably the two safest picks in the first round. I think due how much better the gap is between Graham and the next best TE you'll see him go as high as 1.2 in at least a few drafts and Calvin in some as well.
One question for the group. Don't see anyone mentioning Adrian Peterson. Is it just assumed he's going 1.1?
bulger2holt
Footballguy
ebsteelers
Footballguy
drafted from the 2 slot last night
qbs newton 4, dalton
rb, d. martin 1 , chris johnson 2 , darren sproles 3, ahmad bradshaw, bernard pierce
wr a. brown 5, t. austin, desean jackson, alshon jeffery
te, g. olsen, brandon pettigrew, heath miller (think he will put up good numbers when he plays
k akers
defense ravens .
i think the team turned out pretty good, my wide outs stink, but we just need to start 4 players between rbs and wrs each week so i can just start one of them to go with martin, johnson and sproles
qbs newton 4, dalton
rb, d. martin 1 , chris johnson 2 , darren sproles 3, ahmad bradshaw, bernard pierce
wr a. brown 5, t. austin, desean jackson, alshon jeffery
te, g. olsen, brandon pettigrew, heath miller (think he will put up good numbers when he plays
k akers
defense ravens .
i think the team turned out pretty good, my wide outs stink, but we just need to start 4 players between rbs and wrs each week so i can just start one of them to go with martin, johnson and sproles
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
See, this is why I think that WR/WR in rounds 4 and 5 is the way to go. What receivers were available when you picked in rounds 4 and 5?
I do think that Jackson is a good value there, but if you go Bowe/Colston/Wayne or similar in round 4 and then grab Romo or Wilson in the 7th, I think that your better off.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
I'll have to check when I get home I dont remember off hand.. I know the guy at the turn took Colston, and Bowe and Wayne were already gone before I picked at 4.11Long Ball Larry said:
The solo reason I took Newton at 4.11 rather then going wr wr was because I know with the rules you can start 3 running backs and 1 wr each week if you want.So rather than having a guy at 4.11 or 5.03 that might never play I figured take the QB with lot of value at that point and take the wr at 5.2.
If i was drafting in a league where you need to start 2 wide outs (which is most leagues) then I would probably of skipped on Newton and takent Romo, Kap Luck at the 6.11 spot like you said. I do like Newton though this league 4 pts for td pass, and 6 rushing and where I got him compared to where Brees, Rodgers, Brady, and Manning went.
Comes back to know your rules and roster lineups when drafting. Because I feel I'll have a big advantage each week with those 3 running backs over most of the teams in the league
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
Personally, I would have waited on a QB and grabbed a WR there. Eli or Romo will put up similar numbers as Newton 4-5 rounds later.ebsteelers said:
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I do think that his reasoning is fair though, based on his league's requirements and rules.
ebsteelers
Footballguy
Right cause I feel on a weekly basis my combo of 4 (Sproles, Johnson, Martin, and Brown) will be able to outscore most other teams combo of 4 whether its rb rb-wr-wr- or 3wrs and rb.
after looking at it some more though I think I would agree I should of taken Colston at 4.11, and a TE (Vernon Davis) at 5.02
and in Round 6 I still could of got a QB (Luck, Romo, Kap) and 7.2 still could of got either (Jackson or Austin to back up Colston).
I was just really shocked that Newton was still there at that point and I thought the value of him at 4.11 really stood out.I do like the fact that Newton has some wheels though and if he gets some tds thru the ground it will negate the difference in touchdown passes compared to some of the other top qbs.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
drafted last night from the 2 slot as well but NON-ppr, and NON-TE-mandatory, 1QB/2RB/3Rec/K/DST/no flex. 12 teams
QB. Luck 7, Freeman 12
RB: Martin 1, C Johnson 2, Sproles 4, BJGE 8, DJHarris 14
WR: White 3, ABrown 5, Nicks 6, Jennings 9, Britt 10,
K: Tucker 13
DST: Pats 11
I'm happy. Stuck to my plan and drafted the 12TH QB off the board. Was estatic that C Johnson dropped to me in the 2nd.
Can't get over my addition to RBs and, even though we only start 2 RBs, I didn't like the backup RBs I was getting after the 5th round in my mocks.
Since I went 3rd RB "early", I intentional drafted a few high risk/reward WRs for my WR3 slot in Nicks/Britt/Jennings.
thoughts?
QB. Luck 7, Freeman 12
RB: Martin 1, C Johnson 2, Sproles 4, BJGE 8, DJHarris 14
WR: White 3, ABrown 5, Nicks 6, Jennings 9, Britt 10,
K: Tucker 13
DST: Pats 11
I'm happy. Stuck to my plan and drafted the 12TH QB off the board. Was estatic that C Johnson dropped to me in the 2nd.
Can't get over my addition to RBs and, even though we only start 2 RBs, I didn't like the backup RBs I was getting after the 5th round in my mocks.
Since I went 3rd RB "early", I intentional drafted a few high risk/reward WRs for my WR3 slot in Nicks/Britt/Jennings.
thoughts?
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Keith Lewis
Footballguy
How many teams in the league?
joey
Footballguy
EddieSpaghetti
Footballguy
I drafted from the 2 spot and went RB-RB-RB
Doug Martin
Chris Johnson
Reggie Bush
Short Corner
Footballguy
12 team no flex 2RB/3WR ppr.
This league has crazy bonuses for TD distance and yardage benchmarks.
PaTD Passing TD 6 points
Plus 3 points for a PaTD of 20 to 39 Yds
Plus 5 points for a PaTD of 40 to 59 Yds
Plus 10 points for a PaTD of 60 to 100 Yds PaYd Passing Yards 0+ PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 350+ PaYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 400+ PaYd Re2P Receiving Two-point Conversion 2 points ReTD Receiving TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a ReTD of 10 to 24 Yds
Plus 3 points for a ReTD of 25 to 49 Yds
Plus 5 points for a ReTD of 50 to 100 Yds ReYd Receiving Yards 0+ ReYds = 1 point for every 10 ReYds
Plus a 2 point bonus @ 100+ ReYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ ReYd
Plus a 10 point bonus @ 200+ ReYd Recpt Reception 1 point Ru2P Rushing Two-point Conversion 2 points RuTD Rushing TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a RuTD of 10 to 24 Yds
Plus 3 points for a RuTD of 25 to 49 Yds
Plus 5 points for a RuTD of 50 to 100 Yds RuYd Rushing Yards 0+ RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds
Plus a 2 point bonus @ 100+ RuYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ RuYd
Plus a 10 point bonus @ 200+ RuYd Does this increase the value of a Brees/Rodgers? I am new to this league and last year 11 RBs/5QBs/5WRs/1TE were gone at 2.11. I am thinking Brees/Rodgers/Calvin might be the play in this format, especially with the RBs that may slip to my pick in the 2nd.
This league has crazy bonuses for TD distance and yardage benchmarks.
PaTD Passing TD 6 points
Plus 3 points for a PaTD of 20 to 39 Yds
Plus 5 points for a PaTD of 40 to 59 Yds
Plus 10 points for a PaTD of 60 to 100 Yds PaYd Passing Yards 0+ PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 350+ PaYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 400+ PaYd Re2P Receiving Two-point Conversion 2 points ReTD Receiving TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a ReTD of 10 to 24 Yds
Plus 3 points for a ReTD of 25 to 49 Yds
Plus 5 points for a ReTD of 50 to 100 Yds ReYd Receiving Yards 0+ ReYds = 1 point for every 10 ReYds
Plus a 2 point bonus @ 100+ ReYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ ReYd
Plus a 10 point bonus @ 200+ ReYd Recpt Reception 1 point Ru2P Rushing Two-point Conversion 2 points RuTD Rushing TD 6 points
Plus 2 points for a RuTD of 10 to 24 Yds
Plus 3 points for a RuTD of 25 to 49 Yds
Plus 5 points for a RuTD of 50 to 100 Yds RuYd Rushing Yards 0+ RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds
Plus a 2 point bonus @ 100+ RuYd
Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ RuYd
Plus a 10 point bonus @ 200+ RuYd Does this increase the value of a Brees/Rodgers? I am new to this league and last year 11 RBs/5QBs/5WRs/1TE were gone at 2.11. I am thinking Brees/Rodgers/Calvin might be the play in this format, especially with the RBs that may slip to my pick in the 2nd.
