CalBear
Footballguy
Monk was outperformed by other WRs in his own era. Heck, most years he was outperformed by other WRs on his own team.
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Pick the New Crop of HOF Wide Receivers (1 Viewer)
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Koya
Footballguy
Monk is a player that goes far beyond the numbers imo. He was the epitome of the possession receiver, and he moved the chains like very, very few ever. Just wonderful hands and set things up for the running game and the quick deep threats around him. For goodness sake, the guy was the career receptions leader when he finished. How the #### does that not get you into the hall?
Sure almost all of those were singles, but the greatest singles hitters of all time still deserve to get into the hall - even if they are in the bottom third perhaps of the HoF's that are in.
If you saw Monk's career, I dont see how you keep him out. But it isnt about just numbers.
FWIW, Monk, great as he was, was not in Marvin Harrison's class. We are talking the difference of one of the greats and one of the super elites. Harrison is in discussion for top 5 ever, Monk is a bottom end HoFer (imo)
Sure almost all of those were singles, but the greatest singles hitters of all time still deserve to get into the hall - even if they are in the bottom third perhaps of the HoF's that are in.
If you saw Monk's career, I dont see how you keep him out. But it isnt about just numbers.
FWIW, Monk, great as he was, was not in Marvin Harrison's class. We are talking the difference of one of the greats and one of the super elites. Harrison is in discussion for top 5 ever, Monk is a bottom end HoFer (imo)
redman
Footballguy
Explain "outperformed".
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
WR FROM THE 1990s:
Definitely In
*James Lofton (He MUST be on your list as he's already inducted.)
Jerry Rice
Marvin Harrison
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Torry Holt
Stats say yes but will attitude mean no
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Team success says say but stats say no
Michael Irvin
Art Monk
Andre Reed
Good career numbers but not many stand out great seasons
Jimmy Smith
Irving Fryar
Art Moss
Michael Irvin
Andre Reed
Keyshawn Johnson
Isaac Bruce
Rod Smith
Keenan McCardell
Definitely In
*James Lofton (He MUST be on your list as he's already inducted.)
Jerry Rice
Marvin Harrison
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Torry Holt
Stats say yes but will attitude mean no
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Team success says say but stats say no
Michael Irvin
Art Monk
Andre Reed
Good career numbers but not many stand out great seasons
Jimmy Smith
Irving Fryar
Art Moss
Michael Irvin
Andre Reed
Keyshawn Johnson
Isaac Bruce
Rod Smith
Keenan McCardell
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Obviously that is the toughest part of comparing players in different eras. I try to find players that are similar. The fact is Monk did not dominate individual seasons when you take a look at year to year. The best thing you can say about Monk was that he was consistent. Looking at today's era. I would say Monk's career is most mirrored by the Smiths
Rod Smith
Jimmy Smith
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Art Monk: 940 receptions / 12, 721 yards / 68 touchdowns in sixteen years. Basically fifteen years as his final season he caught only 6 passes
Jimmy Smith: 862 receptions / 12, 287 yards / 67 touchdowns in thirteen years (didn't catch a pass in his first two seasons so really 11 season)
Rod Smith: 849 receptions / 11,389 yards / 68 touchdowns in twelve seasons (only caught 22 passes in his first two seasons)
Both of these players are excellent receivers. Both are top ten in receptions (OK Rod Smith is two away from being top ten), both were great at moving the chains and both had a season or two of exceptional football. However are those two players Hall of Famers?
I don't think so.
To make the Hall of Fame, I believe you have to be exceptional at your craft. Monk was very good for many years but he was not an exceptional talent and he did not put up exceptional stats.
I have nothing against Monk. I watched him play during his prime and he was a very good receiver. However he simply was not good enough for the Hall in my opinion.
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CalBear
Footballguy
More receptions, more yardage, more TDs. Monk was in the league for 16 years. Here's how he fared on his own team:
Led in receptions: 6 times
Led in yardage: 5 times
Led in TDs: 3 times
Yeah, emotional leader, critical third down receptions, blah blah blah. No other HOF receiver needs qualifications. Every WR in the Hall was the focal point of his team's passing offense, leading their team in all these categories for most of their careers, and placing in the top of the league overall.
Keyshawn Johnson has had essentially the same career as Art Monk; the only thing he lacks is fans.
Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
After stating this, my HoF for the 90s ...*James Lofton (He MUST be on your list as he's already inducted.)
Jerry Rice
Marvin Harrison
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Michael Irvin
*** Edited to take out Bruce... wasn't supposed to be in my list. Michael Irvin is.
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Chris Smith
The Head Goon!
Two years ago, yes no doubt about it. After this season, his ineffective play and the fact he gave up on his team, there is certainly some question to his future HoF spot... That said...90 touchdowns in seven years...8,375 receiving yards in his first six seasons...Those numbers are staggering. His first seven seasons alone will get him into the Hall of Fame.
HULLOBUDMAN
Footballguy
Jimmy Smith over 13 seasons 862 12287 14.3 67 and 9 1000 yard seasons.Isaac Bruce over 13 seasons (and counting) 887 13376 15.1 80 8 100 yard seasons.
In addition, Bruce needs a season of 65 receptions, 524 yards, 9 TDs to move to:
#5 in receptions, #6 yards and #9 TDs.
I'm curious how you allow Jimmy Smith in and not Isaac Bruce.
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dal_boys_phan
Footballguy
IMO, Randy Moss' career to this point is very similar to those by Darryl Strawberry and Dwight Gooden in their first six/seven years in baseball. Now, with this comparison I am not stating or implying that I believe Moss has ANY of the illegal off the field problems that helped doom the careers of those sure fire HOFers. I use this comparison because I believe that there are significant parallels that could be drawn when reviewing the early success of their statistical careers in comparison to their era's peers in their respective sports.
EDIT TO ADD: I will post a list of my '90's and '00's receivers to this post later today...
EDIT TO ADD: I will post a list of my '90's and '00's receivers to this post later today...
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
IMO, this analogy is way off base. Gooden had one phenomenal year and several decent ones. Strawberry never had a monster year. And HOF baseball players usually play 15-20 seasons unlike football.Moss' first 7 seasons were better than abyone not named Jerry Rice (and in fact his first 6 seasons were BETTER than Rice's because Rice did not do nearly as well his rookie year).My rule of thumb is that it will be very difficult to keep players out of the HOF that score 100 TDs. Moss is far from done and already has 101 receiving TD. Owens has 114. I can't see either of these two getting snubbed unless either one gets caught molesting underage farm animals.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I am planning on having another thread on RBs this offseason and possibly articles on the different positions during the new fantasy season in spring/summer.
Koya
Footballguy
Sweet.
RB is about to get very interesting. Your no brainers like Faulk, Emmitt and probably LT2 and your probables like Curtis Martin and Bettis, your why arent they freaking in, like Thurman Thomas and your fence sitters, like Tiki that wont make it, but have some good arguements (but would need 2 more productive years) and the not quite enough years yet guys like S. Alexander.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
IIRC, all players that have scored 100+ TD that are eligible are in. SA has already scored 107. I don't see how he's not already in.J Rice 207 - LOCKE Smith 175 - LOCKM Allen - 144 - INM Faulk - 136 - LOCKC Carter - 130 - Can't see him not getting inJ Brown - 126 - INW Payton - 125 - INM Harrison - 122 - Already INJ Riggins - 116 - INT Owens - 116 - I think he's already IN, others maybe disagreeL Moore - 111 - INL Tomlinson - 111 - Probably already INB Sanders - 109 - INS Alexander - 107 - I think he's already IND Hutson - 102 - INT Brown - 101 - Can't see him not getting inR Moss - 101 - See OwensS Largent - 101 - INF Harris - 100 - INC Martin - 100 - I don't think he's a lock, but he'll get inSweet.
Koya
Footballguy
I think Alexander is very, very close. But he needs like one more year in my book. Five year span is very impressive, especially the last three, before this season. But if he just falls off the face of the earth, I wouldnt quite call it a lock quite yet. One more year of 1200+ and 10+ TDs and hes a lot, or a couple not that good.IIRC, all players that have scored 100+ TD that are eligible are in. SA has already scored 107. I don't see how he's not already in.J Rice 207 - LOCKE Smith 175 - LOCKM Allen - 144 - INM Faulk - 136 - LOCKC Carter - 130 - Can't see him not getting inJ Brown - 126 - INW Payton - 125 - INM Harrison - 122 - Already INJ Riggins - 116 - INT Owens - 116 - I think he's already IN, others maybe disagreeL Moore - 111 - INL Tomlinson - 111 - Probably already INB Sanders - 109 - INS Alexander - 107 - I think he's already IND Hutson - 102 - INT Brown - 101 - Can't see him not getting inR Moss - 101 - See OwensS Largent - 101 - INF Harris - 100 - INC Martin - 100 - I don't think he's a lock, but he'll get inSweet.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
I'm glad this thread got started. In the most recent HOF thread before this one, some people were making an intriguing case for Gary Clark. I wanted to see if Clark deserved any extra credit for big-game performances which I defined as championship games. I hadn't had a chance until now to write up the numbers for Clark and Art Monk. It sure looks like Clark was an absolutely huge clutch performer. Here's Clark:
1) 1986 NFC Title Game. Clark's first and worst championship game performance. 0 catches. Trailing 10-0 in the 1st quarter, Clark dropped a Jay Schroeder's pass that would have at least been a 35-yard reception, if not a TD.
2) 1987 NFC Title Game. 3/57/1. On Washington's final drive with the score 10-10, Clark caught a 43-yarder from Doug Williams to put his team in scoring position. Clark then caught what proved to the winning TD on 3d-and-6 from the MIN 7. Clark improvised his pattern when he saw the planned corner route was covered.
3) Super Bowl XXII. 3/55/1. On the second WAS drive of he 2d quarter, Clark got a 27-yard TD on 3d-and-1 to put his team up 14-10. They never trailed again. He also had a nice 25-yard run in the 4th quarter though the game was all but over.
4) 1991 NFC Title Game. 4/77/1. WIth his team leading 20-10 with 2:23 left in the third quarter, Clark caught a 45-yard TD to break the game open. On Washington's earlier 74-yard drive that gave them a 17-10 lead, Clark kept the drive alive with a 6-yard catch on 3d-and-5 and he later grabbed a 16-yarder on the drive.
5) Super Bowl XXVI. 7/114/1. Clark caught a 16-yarder to the BUF 35 on the first play of Washington's second drive of the 2d quarter. WAS scored a TD on the drive to go up 10-0. On their next drive, Clark had a 34-yard catch on 3d-and-9 to the BUF 15. Two plays later WAS went up 17-0. In the 3d quarter, after BUF scored to make the score 24-10 and get back in the game, WAS took over on their own 21. Clark caught 4 balls on the subsequent drive, including a 10-yard catch on 3d-and-4 plus the 30-yard TD that capped the drive and put the game away. Clark scored and accounted for 60 yards of the gamebreaking 79-yard drive.
4 different games with a TD, each in a critical situation. Plus some other important grabs as well.
Here's Monk's 6 Championship Games (he missed 3 others with injuries):
1) 1983 NFC Title Game: 3/35/0
2) 1983: Super Bowl XVII. 1/26/0.
3) 1986 NFC Title Game: 8/126/0. None of Monk's catches led to any points. With his team down 10-0, Monk caught a 48-yard pass that set up a botched 51-yard FG try.
4) Super Bowl XXII: 1/40/0. Monk's lone catch came on 3d-and-16 from his team's own 10-yard line down 10-0 in the 1st quarter. WAS punted 4 plays later.
5) 1991 NFC Title Game: 5/94/1. Monk caught a 21-yard TD. On the other hand it came in the 4th quarter with his team already up 27-10. Monk did have a 17-yard catch to lead off the drive that made it 17-10 in the 2d quarter.
6) Super Bowl XXVI: 7/113/0. Monk caught 4 passes totalling 79 yards on Washington's second drive of the game. On 3d-and-goal from the BUF 2 Monk's "TD catch" was overturned by replay. Not sure if he should get credit for a great try or blame for coming down with his back foot on the line. WAS fumbled the snap on the FG attempt so Monk's catches led to no points though he did put his team in position to take the lead. He had no other catches of consequence that game.
Monk clearly doesn't compare to Clark in big games. Clark deserves a ton of credit for two of his team's championships, credit that he has not gotten. Enough to get him to the Hall? I'm not sure.
I won't take the time right now to go through Andre Reed's 9 championship games, but I have to say his overall performance was way way short of what you'd like to see in a Hall of Famer. One single touchdown. He went 8 straight title games without one. Like Monk, he never scored a TD in a Super Bowl. Unlike Monk, Reed actually hurt his team in Super Bowl play. In Super Bowl XXV, Reed was having a decent game in the early going until he started taking some hits. The Bills had a 10-3 lead and the ball at midfield in the 2d quarter when Reed dropped a pass that would have given his team a crucial first down. No Giant was near him. If Buffalo had scored on that drive they might well have won the game. Reed dropped 2 more passes later in the game and only caught 1 pass in the second half. Reed later admitted he should have caught those balls.
The next year in Super Bowl XXVI, the Bills trailed 17-0 with the ball at the Washington 28 in the final two minutes of the first half. Following an incomplete pass on 3rd down, Reed got mad and threw his helmet down because the officials didn’t penalize the Redskins for pass interference. That cost the Bills a 15-yard penalty and a shot at a field goal they desperately needed at that time. Reed only had 34 yards receiving that game.
He played well in Super Bowl XXVII.
1) 1986 NFC Title Game. Clark's first and worst championship game performance. 0 catches. Trailing 10-0 in the 1st quarter, Clark dropped a Jay Schroeder's pass that would have at least been a 35-yard reception, if not a TD.
2) 1987 NFC Title Game. 3/57/1. On Washington's final drive with the score 10-10, Clark caught a 43-yarder from Doug Williams to put his team in scoring position. Clark then caught what proved to the winning TD on 3d-and-6 from the MIN 7. Clark improvised his pattern when he saw the planned corner route was covered.
3) Super Bowl XXII. 3/55/1. On the second WAS drive of he 2d quarter, Clark got a 27-yard TD on 3d-and-1 to put his team up 14-10. They never trailed again. He also had a nice 25-yard run in the 4th quarter though the game was all but over.
4) 1991 NFC Title Game. 4/77/1. WIth his team leading 20-10 with 2:23 left in the third quarter, Clark caught a 45-yard TD to break the game open. On Washington's earlier 74-yard drive that gave them a 17-10 lead, Clark kept the drive alive with a 6-yard catch on 3d-and-5 and he later grabbed a 16-yarder on the drive.
5) Super Bowl XXVI. 7/114/1. Clark caught a 16-yarder to the BUF 35 on the first play of Washington's second drive of the 2d quarter. WAS scored a TD on the drive to go up 10-0. On their next drive, Clark had a 34-yard catch on 3d-and-9 to the BUF 15. Two plays later WAS went up 17-0. In the 3d quarter, after BUF scored to make the score 24-10 and get back in the game, WAS took over on their own 21. Clark caught 4 balls on the subsequent drive, including a 10-yard catch on 3d-and-4 plus the 30-yard TD that capped the drive and put the game away. Clark scored and accounted for 60 yards of the gamebreaking 79-yard drive.
4 different games with a TD, each in a critical situation. Plus some other important grabs as well.
Here's Monk's 6 Championship Games (he missed 3 others with injuries):
1) 1983 NFC Title Game: 3/35/0
2) 1983: Super Bowl XVII. 1/26/0.
3) 1986 NFC Title Game: 8/126/0. None of Monk's catches led to any points. With his team down 10-0, Monk caught a 48-yard pass that set up a botched 51-yard FG try.
4) Super Bowl XXII: 1/40/0. Monk's lone catch came on 3d-and-16 from his team's own 10-yard line down 10-0 in the 1st quarter. WAS punted 4 plays later.
5) 1991 NFC Title Game: 5/94/1. Monk caught a 21-yard TD. On the other hand it came in the 4th quarter with his team already up 27-10. Monk did have a 17-yard catch to lead off the drive that made it 17-10 in the 2d quarter.
6) Super Bowl XXVI: 7/113/0. Monk caught 4 passes totalling 79 yards on Washington's second drive of the game. On 3d-and-goal from the BUF 2 Monk's "TD catch" was overturned by replay. Not sure if he should get credit for a great try or blame for coming down with his back foot on the line. WAS fumbled the snap on the FG attempt so Monk's catches led to no points though he did put his team in position to take the lead. He had no other catches of consequence that game.
Monk clearly doesn't compare to Clark in big games. Clark deserves a ton of credit for two of his team's championships, credit that he has not gotten. Enough to get him to the Hall? I'm not sure.
I won't take the time right now to go through Andre Reed's 9 championship games, but I have to say his overall performance was way way short of what you'd like to see in a Hall of Famer. One single touchdown. He went 8 straight title games without one. Like Monk, he never scored a TD in a Super Bowl. Unlike Monk, Reed actually hurt his team in Super Bowl play. In Super Bowl XXV, Reed was having a decent game in the early going until he started taking some hits. The Bills had a 10-3 lead and the ball at midfield in the 2d quarter when Reed dropped a pass that would have given his team a crucial first down. No Giant was near him. If Buffalo had scored on that drive they might well have won the game. Reed dropped 2 more passes later in the game and only caught 1 pass in the second half. Reed later admitted he should have caught those balls.
The next year in Super Bowl XXVI, the Bills trailed 17-0 with the ball at the Washington 28 in the final two minutes of the first half. Following an incomplete pass on 3rd down, Reed got mad and threw his helmet down because the officials didn’t penalize the Redskins for pass interference. That cost the Bills a 15-yard penalty and a shot at a field goal they desperately needed at that time. Reed only had 34 yards receiving that game.
He played well in Super Bowl XXVII.
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I'm not as keen on Walker as you are. He's had two Top 10 seasons and not a lot else and is already 28.Boldin has better total stats across the board by a fair magin and is 2 years younger. AJ also has similar totals to Walker and is 25. Fitz is only slightly behind Walker and is only 23. IMO, Walker needs to have some really huge seasons in the next few seasons or he will have to play until he's 40 to have a chance.thatguy said:
MarshallRob
Footballguy
T.O. didn't exactly help himself tonight.
CalBear
Footballguy
Doesn't matter, TO is in. With just one more 1000-yard season he'll be in the top 10 in receiving yards, to go along with top-4 in TDs. Crybaby or not, he's in.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
The case might not be as open and shut as you seem to think. "Crybaby" doesn't exactly describe the stuff he's done. I can't think of too many Hall of Fame receivers whose teams thought they would be better off benching them. Voters care about stuff like that. Plus T.O. hasn't been the most surehanded guy in the world either. I think a guy like Hines Ward, whose numbers don't approach Owens', might prove a stronger candidate because of his approach to the game and penchant for big plays at the right time.
CalBear
Footballguy
You're wrong. Tim Brown is a first-ballot Hall of Famer despite having sub-par hands. Hines Ward is a lot closer to Art Monk's situation, and we've seen how that turned out. (Although Ward does have several 10+ TD seasons, which Monk never did). Ward is about to turn 31 and has yet to crack the top 50 in yardage or receiving TDs; unless he has superb longevity or a couple of monster seasons, I don't think he has much of a shot.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
marshall88
Footballguy
I heard someone back Andre Rison on the radio today for the HOF. If Irvin made it, I don't see how Andre Rison should not be also to make it -- unless a criteria for being in the HOF is playing on a good team, rather than just being a good player. Here is a comparison of their stats:
Years Played
Irvin - 1988-1999
Rison - 1989-2000
Receptions
Irvin - 750
Rison - 743
Yards
Irvin - 11904
Rison - 10205
TDs
Irvin - 65
Rison - 84
Superbowl Rings
Irvin - 3
Rison - 1
ProBowls
Irvin - 5
Rison - 5
Looks like these guys played in the same era, with roughly the same stats. So it seems the only reason Irvin would be elected to the HOF and not Rison is because Rison didn't have T. Aikman and E. Smith as teammates.
Years Played
Irvin - 1988-1999
Rison - 1989-2000
Receptions
Irvin - 750
Rison - 743
Yards
Irvin - 11904
Rison - 10205
TDs
Irvin - 65
Rison - 84
Superbowl Rings
Irvin - 3
Rison - 1
ProBowls
Irvin - 5
Rison - 5
Looks like these guys played in the same era, with roughly the same stats. So it seems the only reason Irvin would be elected to the HOF and not Rison is because Rison didn't have T. Aikman and E. Smith as teammates.
Having Emmit actually hurt Irvin's TD totals significantly actually. Irvin obv got in before Rison because he earned 3 Rings while Rison IIRC won one with GB as a reserve or WR3.That being said, you make a good case and I would say Rison has a shot.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
David Yudkin
Footballguy
The main difference between Irvin and Rison is Michael played in 25 fewer games yet had more recptions and more yards. Irvin averaged 20 more receiving yards per game more than Rison which in the food chain of WRs is quite a bit.
Rison is a legi candidate on his own and has many positives to go along with several negatives. most notably playing for 7 teams. It's hard to become a true team leader or icon of a team when yo bounced around. Looking at Irvin, people clearly think of him and the Cowboys SB teams.
Think of Rison and what team do you think of him with? I remember him having 5 great years in Atlanta, but I also remember him being run-of-the-mill on several other teams.
To Rison's credit, he did rank in the Top 5 in yearly receptions, receiving yards, or receiving TD a total of 11 times--one of 13 WRs to do it that many times with . . .
Jerry Rice 31
Art Powell 20
Don Maynard 17
Marvin Harrison 17
Lance Alworth 14
Cris Carter 13
Lionel Taylor 12
Randy Moss 11
Sterling Sharpe 11
Steve Largent 11
Andre Rison 11
Otis Taylor 11
Bob Hayes 11
Rison is a legi candidate on his own and has many positives to go along with several negatives. most notably playing for 7 teams. It's hard to become a true team leader or icon of a team when yo bounced around. Looking at Irvin, people clearly think of him and the Cowboys SB teams.
Think of Rison and what team do you think of him with? I remember him having 5 great years in Atlanta, but I also remember him being run-of-the-mill on several other teams.
To Rison's credit, he did rank in the Top 5 in yearly receptions, receiving yards, or receiving TD a total of 11 times--one of 13 WRs to do it that many times with . . .
Jerry Rice 31
Art Powell 20
Don Maynard 17
Marvin Harrison 17
Lance Alworth 14
Cris Carter 13
Lionel Taylor 12
Randy Moss 11
Sterling Sharpe 11
Steve Largent 11
Andre Rison 11
Otis Taylor 11
Bob Hayes 11
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
I don't see anyone stating # of Pro Bowl selections. That seems to be #1 factor in most all other positions for HOF consideration why not WR's? Also does playoff performance and Superbowl performances count as well? Again, those seem to count at the other positions for HOF.
stevegamer
Footballguy
I'm not a big fan of Pro Bowl selections, because you can get a ton of guys who get to call themselves Pro Bowlers every year - 6 QB's plus injury replacements. It can get crazy. All-Pro is better, becasue it's more limiting.
Other than QB & maybe RB/WR the HoF is light on players at certain spots - take a look at the linemen & defenders sometime relative to the glamour spots.
This year was pretty good, no QB, one RB (clearly deserving), one WR (annoying but mostly deserving). There are better WR than Irvin who aren't in, but he's not a mistake.
Other than QB & maybe RB/WR the HoF is light on players at certain spots - take a look at the linemen & defenders sometime relative to the glamour spots.
This year was pretty good, no QB, one RB (clearly deserving), one WR (annoying but mostly deserving). There are better WR than Irvin who aren't in, but he's not a mistake.
zoonation
Footballguy
Owens is a lock for the hall of fame....right now imo. Never mind the next 4-5 seasons of elite, tailing off to solid production. Another 30 TDs at least...only Marvin has a chance to (and likely will) put himself between Owens and Rice.
LOL at the haters. I agree, it isn't all stats, but when the stats are this enormous, it is a no-brainer.
LOL at the haters. I agree, it isn't all stats, but when the stats are this enormous, it is a no-brainer.
switz
Footballguy
WR FROM THE 1990s:
*James Lofton (He MUST be on your list as he's already inducted.)
Jerry Rice
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Andre Reed
Marvin Harrison
Michael Irvin
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
WR FROM THE 2000s:
Jerry Rice
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Marvin Harrison
Randy Moss
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Chad Johnson
GUYS I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR, BUT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE IN:
Henry Ellard
Andre Rison
Terrell Owens
Isaac Bruce
The other guys listed just don't belong.... Fryar, Moulds, etc.
*James Lofton (He MUST be on your list as he's already inducted.)
Jerry Rice
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Andre Reed
Marvin Harrison
Michael Irvin
Torry Holt
Randy Moss
WR FROM THE 2000s:
Jerry Rice
Cris Carter
Tim Brown
Marvin Harrison
Randy Moss
Torry Holt
Larry Fitzgerald
Anquan Boldin
Chad Johnson
GUYS I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR, BUT WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO SEE IN:
Henry Ellard
Andre Rison
Terrell Owens
Isaac Bruce
The other guys listed just don't belong.... Fryar, Moulds, etc.
nygiants56
Footballguy
I'd add Andre Johnson to that list, if they ever get a decent QB..
