pick up FAs when a team is out of the playoff picture (1 Viewer)

[fsufan]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

If they still have games against playoff-potential teams, why not allow a team to field the best possible lineup? That would include FA's.If I'm trying to get into the playoffs, I don't want two pushover games for my competition.I think adding this rule would be a mistake.

 

[fsufan]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

If they still have games against playoff-potential teams, why not allow a team to field the best possible lineup? That would include FA's.If I'm trying to get into the playoffs, I don't want two pushover games for my competition.I think adding this rule would be a mistake.

this is the type of info I am looking for from other redraft leagues. Like I said, I have not run a redraft league in 8 or so years, only dynasty leagues. You make a good point.

 

[D_House]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

If they still have games against playoff-potential teams, why not allow a team to field the best possible lineup? That would include FA's.If I'm trying to get into the playoffs, I don't want two pushover games for my competition.I think adding this rule would be a mistake.

Exactly. Disallowing non-playoff teams from improving their teams gives an unfair advantage to their opponents in the last weeks. Also it gives even less incentive for these non-playoff owners to continue actively managing their teams.

 

[hacman]

Also, as commish, you should never add a rule in the middle of the season.

 

[Swanny]

Teams eliminated from the playoffs should absolutely be allowed to continue to make add/drops.

 

[fsufan]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

If they still have games against playoff-potential teams, why not allow a team to field the best possible lineup? That would include FA's.If I'm trying to get into the playoffs, I don't want two pushover games for my competition.

I think adding this rule would be a mistake.

Exactly. Disallowing non-playoff teams from improving their teams gives an unfair advantage to their opponents in the last weeks. Also it gives even less incentive for these non-playoff owners to continue actively managing their teams.

i do not want this to happen any more than it already is. How do you get an owner to manage his team even if he is out of the playoffs.

 

[fsufan]

Also, as commish, you should never add a rule in the middle of the season.

i do know this from running leagues for 10 years. just wondering how other leagues handle this

 

[Blue_Devil_31]

keep teams interested who are already out of the playoffs by having weekly high score and season high score prizes. of course this assumes this is a money league. this is what i do. also the bottom 4 teams in my league face off in the Toilet Bowl playoffs, complete with trophy. you'd be surprised how hard teams try to NOT get their name engraved on that trophy.

 

[Debeucci]

some teams may have side bets on weekly games, therefore regulating their pickups based on current ability to make the playoffs would not be advisable unless everyone knew that rule upfront.

most leagues include weekly high score $$$ to coerce all teams to field competitive teams every week. it gives all teams something to shoot for on a weekly basis.

 

[toppshelff]

I'd also have some sort of rule so that a team that is mathematically eliminated can't pick up 12 kickers so that somebody else is kicker-less. A maximum number of players on each roster should do it. I agree that pick-ups must still be allowed, with this detail in place.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

keep teams interested who are already out of the playoffs by having weekly high score and season high score prizes. of course this assumes this is a money league. this is what i do. also the bottom 4 teams in my league face off in the Toilet Bowl playoffs, complete with trophy. you'd be surprised how hard teams try to NOT get their name engraved on that trophy.

Good stuff here. Keeping all owners interested is a tough one. That's why many leagues have gone to the #6 (or last) playoff spot going to most points - that tends to keep some more teams in the running even if their record is a mess.Another option is to give the Toilet Bowl winner the #1 pick, which would be the only reason a team that is near the bottom would "tank" - but that almost never exists in pure redrafts (100% fresh start in the next season).

 

[Saints-Man]

Yes, any team should be allowed to drop/add. However, if you suspect something was done in the spirit of collusion, it should be reversed just like a trade.

For instance, LT has been very good, but not great this year(as in Tom Brady great). It is possible that the team that picked him #1 picked poorly and has a bad team. If this team A drops LT, and team B picks him up within a few minutes(assuming that you can do this - my main league that I commish LT would be not be available until next week), then if you determine that to be collusion, you may reverse this.

If not, I can not see a way that you prevent a team from drop/add, even if it is to spite a team higher than they are in the rankings.

 

[Saints-Man]

....i do not want this to happen any more than it already is. How do you get an owner to manage his team even if he is out of the playoffs.

In a live(only way this issue will work) redraft league, there is a beer bowl (losers advance instead of winners) where the beer bowl champion contributes half the bar bill the next year. A VERY LARGE discentive.If it is a stable league, you can just have a Loser's Playoffs where the team that loses out is the WORST team. I have a league that in this scenario the Champion renames the Beer Bowl champion for the next year. This costs nothing, and can be a high incentive.There are always small financial incentives...like 1/2 or 1/4 of owner fees for the winner of a consolation tournament. Also, in another league(yes, I am in a lot) the winner of the consolation bowl gets to select their draft position the following year. Just some options that are employed in leagues that I play.

 

[dwashington]

I've been playing in the same 12-team re-draft league for years and 2 years ago we added an Agent 2009 clause.

The team with the worst record has to sit out a year and we have 1 (total 13) waiting to take that draft spot for the next year.

If 2 teams tie for the worst record, they play an Agent 2009 bowl in Week 14.

All teams are allowed to pickup free agents all the way through the regular season.

Once the post-season starts, only playoff teams and the teams competing in the Agent 2009 Bowl are allowed to pickup free-agents.

We have a free agent blind bid auction every Tuesday night (via CBSsportsline), after the regular season, ONLY the playoff teams are able to participate in the blind bid. The loser bowl teams can only pickup players after the bidding process is over.

Sitting out a year may sound harsh, but it did away with

1. Owners out of playoff contention tanking and not managing their teams at the end of the season.

2. Imbalanced trades

 

[fsufan]

Yes, any team should be allowed to drop/add. However, if you suspect something was done in the spirit of collusion, it should be reversed just like a trade.For instance, LT has been very good, but not great this year(as in Tom Brady great). It is possible that the team that picked him #1 picked poorly and has a bad team. If this team A drops LT, and team B picks him up within a few minutes(assuming that you can do this - my main league that I commish LT would be not be available until next week), then if you determine that to be collusion, you may reverse this.If not, I can not see a way that you prevent a team from drop/add, even if it is to spite a team higher than they are in the rankings.

we use the WW so if a player is dropped they go on the WW for 24 hours

 

[fsufan]

Once the post-season starts, only playoff teams and the teams competing in the Agent 2009 Bowl are allowed to pickup free-agents.

i was also wondering if other redraft leagues do this.

 

[Saints-Man]

Once the post-season starts, only playoff teams and the teams competing in the Agent 2009 Bowl are allowed to pickup free-agents.

i was also wondering if other redraft leagues do this.

The leagues that I participate stop FA at the end of the regular season for all teams.

 

[Saints-Man]

Yes, any team should be allowed to drop/add. However, if you suspect something was done in the spirit of collusion, it should be reversed just like a trade.For instance, LT has been very good, but not great this year(as in Tom Brady great). It is possible that the team that picked him #1 picked poorly and has a bad team. If this team A drops LT, and team B picks him up within a few minutes(assuming that you can do this - my main league that I commish LT would be not be available until next week), then if you determine that to be collusion, you may reverse this.If not, I can not see a way that you prevent a team from drop/add, even if it is to spite a team higher than they are in the rankings.

we use the WW so if a player is dropped they go on the WW for 24 hours

You will still have to monitor this and make sure that drop/adds don't appear to be collusion.

 

[Nemesis]

1 - If you don't give away a wkly high $$ award, consider it...........if you DO already give away wkly high $$ awards, consider structuring it so that the majority of the $$ is given away AT THE END OF THE SEASON. I implemented the following:

Wks 1-4: $5 per wk

Wks 5-8: $10

Wks 9-16: $TBD (1/8th of the transaction pot). Most yrs, it comes out to ~$30-40 per wk! You better believe that an 0-10 team is still going to put its best lineup in knowing that they might strike it rich 1 or 2 wks and recoup some of their losses.

2 - Go to a trophy store and pick up a cheap Cheerleading trophy. I award this baby http://www.awardsco.com/store/item.asp?ITE...PARTMENT_ID=189

to the worst team at next year's draft. Owners actually pay more attention to the Cheerleader trophy presentation more than the Championship trophy.

and finally,

3 - Charge a fee for transactions! By charging a fee, it reduces the chances of problems when teams pick up & drop the 13 FA kickers, or an owner picking up a FA b/c another fellow owner still in contention asked them to.

 

[compone]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

What are these teams suppose to roll over and die? I would give people kudos for continuing to add free-agents and play out the season. Actually, it wouldn't be fair to the other teams that are still alive. It's almost like giving benefit to the teams that play these teams by not allowing those non playoff teams to make free-agent pickups.

 

[[scooter]]

First off, YOUR definition of "out of the playoff picture" better be factual, and not just based on your "feeling" of their chances of making the playoffs. I have seen teams make the playoffs after starting 1-7.

Second, if you prevent a team from picking up FAs, then you are giving an extra advantage to that team's opponents.

Thirdly, you are helping other teams by bumping their waiver priority. If I'm the best team in the league, maybe I want the worst team to make roster moves? I'd rather have Selvin Young go to the last-place team than go to my closest opponent.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

We lock eliminated team out of transactions -- by rule.

 

[fsufan]

First off, YOUR definition of "out of the playoff picture" better be factual, and not just based on your "feeling" of their chances of making the playoffs. I have seen teams make the playoffs after starting 1-7.

Second, if you prevent a team from picking up FAs, then you are giving an extra advantage to that team's opponents.

Thirdly, you are helping other teams by bumping their waiver priority. If I'm the best team in the league, maybe I want the worst team to make roster moves? I'd rather have Selvin Young go to the last-place team than go to my closest opponent.

did you read where i said

teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs

also

is there realy an good FAs this time of year. this league is 12 teams, 16 roster spots. if Young is a FA, then it is a league of rookies

 

[Steel Town]

I'd also have some sort of rule so that a team that is mathematically eliminated can't pick up 12 kickers so that somebody else is kicker-less. A maximum number of players on each roster should do it. I agree that pick-ups must still be allowed, with this detail in place.

This happened in a league I commish this year, only with defenses. I inserted a mid season rule to not allow teams to frivelously add/drop players from their lineup. Sorry for the sidebar, I would agree with the group that fa pickups should be for everyone - until the playoffs actually start.

 

[Black]

Teams eliminated from the playoffs should absolutely be allowed to continue to make add/drops.

We let teams keep playing/moving and have a "Toilet Bowl" where the non-SuperBowl team with the highest score in week 16 wins some nominal prize. However, I think some leagues lock rosters when the playoffs start for teams not in the playoffs (and locks them as they get bumped out of the loser bracket, too).

 

[[scooter]]

is there realy an good FAs this time of year. this league is 12 teams, 16 roster spots. if Young is a FA, then it is a league of rookies

Priest, Kolby Smith, Croyle, Echemandu, Grossman, Boller, Maurice Morris, A-Train, Ricky Williams. All were hot WW pickups in the last couple weeks, and at least a couple of them will prove to be worthwhile fantasy starters.

 

[MDSkinner]

1 - If you don't give away a wkly high $$ award, consider it...........if you DO already give away wkly high $$ awards, consider structuring it so that the majority of the $$ is given away AT THE END OF THE SEASON. I implemented the following:

Wks 1-4: $5 per wk

Wks 5-8: $10

Wks 9-16: $TBD (1/8th of the transaction pot). Most yrs, it comes out to ~$30-40 per wk! You better believe that an 0-10 team is still going to put its best lineup in knowing that they might strike it rich 1 or 2 wks and recoup some of their losses.

2 - Go to a trophy store and pick up a cheap Cheerleading trophy. I award this baby http://www.awardsco.com/store/item.asp?ITE...PARTMENT_ID=189

to the worst team at next year's draft. Owners actually pay more attention to the Cheerleader trophy presentation more than the Championship trophy.

and finally,

3 - Charge a fee for transactions! By charging a fee, it reduces the chances of problems when teams pick up & drop the 13 FA kickers, or an owner picking up a FA b/c another fellow owner still in contention asked them to.

These are all really good ideas.

 

[BAT1man]

You could have a weekly cash prize. For example, offer a small cash prize to the highest score of the week. Now teams eliminated from playoff contention still have a reason to stay engaged.

 

[fatkid]

You could have a weekly cash prize. For example, offer a small cash prize to the highest score of the week. Now teams eliminated from playoff contention still have a reason to stay engaged.

A lot of people are proposing a carrot. We use a stick in my league. The worst team has to pay the same amount of transaction fees as the team that spends the most. The 2nd worst team has to match the second most transaction fees.This does two things.1. It encourages owners to work to stay out of the bottom two2. Their Transactions are essentially free if they do. At worst we have 1 team that is clearly behind everyone else and has no chance. Every other bad team seems to fight it out to avoid getting put onto the higher transaction fees.We also have 3 or 4 very involved owners, so the highest and second highest transaction fees are usually in the 100 dollar range.

 

[Stingdiddy]

I commish a redraft league, first time in 8 or so years. I was wondering if other redraft leagues allow or not allow teams who are mathematically out of the playoffs to pick up FAs. I do not have put a rule for this. As the commish should I just add the rule at this point of the season or not. I will add this rule for the 08 season.

Ridiculous to even consider cutting an owner from the waiver process because they're out of the playoff picture.There's this thing called respect...the guys at the bottom of my league year in and year out are scrapping and clawing to stay out of the "basement" at season's end. Not allowing those guys to scoop free agents would be ludacris. Do leagues really do this?