Pierre Garcon (1 Viewer)

[Hank Mardukas]

I'm curious what Indy homers think about Garcon. Is his arrow pointing up or down? He has all the physical tools but the guy just can't hold onto a pass, which is bizarre to me given how strong he is. I'm considering dropping him to pick up another player for the stretch run but Garcon just seems like one of those guys that as soon as you give up on him, that's when he goes off for 6/85/1. If he can't get it done vs. NE, then I don't know when he will. Does Peyton have any confidence in him? Will Collie and Wayne get all the targets?

 

[dansav]

this week is the week... Start him with confidence

 

[footballnerd]

ROS?

 

[Hank Mardukas]

rest of season

 

[tbone911t]

Dropped him for Manningham.

 

[Resident A]

Belichick is notorious for taking away a team's primary weapon & making the secondary options beat him. On the Colts, that's Wayne. I also expect the Pats to pay a little extra attention to Tamme after his past few games, leaving Garcon as the open man.

 

[packersfan]

What do people think about Garcon with five games to play? He's caught five passes each of the past three games with his yardage total increasing each week. He's still no threat to score and he can't seem to get on the same page with Manning.

On the plus side, the Colts can't run the ball at all so they'll likely keep throwing it a ton and as long as Manning is upright every Colt WR has a shot to produce.

Anybody feeling good about Garcon the rest of the way? If so, what as - a WR3, a WR3 with WR2 upside? Or do you think he's a lost cause at this point?

 

[jamil]

What do people think about Garcon with five games to play? He's caught five passes each of the past three games with his yardage total increasing each week. He's still no threat to score and he can't seem to get on the same page with Manning. On the plus side, the Colts can't run the ball at all so they'll likely keep throwing it a ton and as long as Manning is upright every Colt WR has a shot to produce. Anybody feeling good about Garcon the rest of the way? If so, what as - a WR3, a WR3 with WR2 upside? Or do you think he's a lost cause at this point?

I was about to make a topic about Garcon. Maybe its because he's on my team but I think he's in for a big run the rest of the way. Still heavily targeted and this past week and when he had the opportunities he looked good... as good as I think he's looked all year.

 

[packersfan]

What do people think about Garcon with five games to play? He's caught five passes each of the past three games with his yardage total increasing each week. He's still no threat to score and he can't seem to get on the same page with Manning. On the plus side, the Colts can't run the ball at all so they'll likely keep throwing it a ton and as long as Manning is upright every Colt WR has a shot to produce. Anybody feeling good about Garcon the rest of the way? If so, what as - a WR3, a WR3 with WR2 upside? Or do you think he's a lost cause at this point?

I was about to make a topic about Garcon. Maybe its because he's on my team but I think he's in for a big run the rest of the way. Still heavily targeted and this past week when he had the opportunities he looked good. As good as I think he's looked all year.

I thought he looked pretty good too outside of the deep route which either was miscommunication between him and Manning or a route he gave up on. I really like him as a talent but he's had a lot of issues this season. I'm just wondering if he can overcome them in the final five weeks because it's doubtful the Colts are going to stop throwing it a lot the rest of the way.

 

[Shawnky]

Glad I traded him for a 2nd round rookie pick before the season started.

 

[shadyridr]

Manning has been going to his slot WR & TE so much and when he doesnt he goes to his stud in Wayne. Leaves very little opportunities for Garcon and he hasnt capitalized cuz he drops everything

 

[packersfan]

Manning has been going to his slot WR & TE so much and when he doesnt he goes to his stud in Wayne. Leaves very little opportunities for Garcon and he hasnt capitalized cuz he drops everything

His catch rate is deplorable. That said, he has 5 receptions in each of his last three games and he's had at least seven targets in every game he's played this season except one. He's not doing anything spectacular but five receptions in each of the past three games has me wondering if his value is starting to rise a bit.

 

[shadyridr]

Manning has been going to his slot WR & TE so much and when he doesnt he goes to his stud in Wayne. Leaves very little opportunities for Garcon and he hasnt capitalized cuz he drops everything

His catch rate is deplorable. That said, he has 5 receptions in each of his last three games and he's had at least seven targets in every game he's played this season except one. He's not doing anything spectacular but five receptions in each of the past three games has me wondering if his value is starting to rise a bit.

Thats what everyone keeps thinking...

 

[packersfan]

Manning has been going to his slot WR & TE so much and when he doesnt he goes to his stud in Wayne. Leaves very little opportunities for Garcon and he hasnt capitalized cuz he drops everything

His catch rate is deplorable. That said, he has 5 receptions in each of his last three games and he's had at least seven targets in every game he's played this season except one. He's not doing anything spectacular but five receptions in each of the past three games has me wondering if his value is starting to rise a bit.

Thats what everyone keeps thinking...

Can't argue with that.

 

[Sabertooth]

He's playing on a bum hammy. He's not great, but he's solid. I'd say he's a WR3 with WR2 upside.

 

[the spanker]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

 

[shadyridr]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

Like I said above, Manning seems to be going to the slot WR and TE checkoffs with much more regularity this year. Just check his YPA #s.

 

[kingmalaki]

FBG has him at #12 this week.

 

[geoff8695]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

Like I said above, Manning seems to be going to the slot WR and TE checkoffs with much more regularity this year. Just check his YPA #s.

Sometimes older QBs lose accuracy on the deep pass late in their careers. It happened to Warner last year, IMO it's happening to Favre this season, and I wonder if it's happening to Peyton right now... As you mention Peyton's YPA is down, 7.9 YPA last season and 6.9 YPA this year, and the other outside receiver, Reggie Wayne, has experienced a decrease in catch% as well as YPC this year as well. It's possible that it's purely attributed to the injuries suffered to offensive skill position players, poor oline play, etc., but some of those things I've come to expect a transcendental talent like Manning to overcome. Offensive injuries aside, in the games I have seen him play this season, I haven't seen Manning throw downfield with the same level of accuracy as in past seasons.

I imagine it's blasphemous to suggest that a HOF, best QB of his era type, like Manning, might be suffering an erosion of skills, but for some reason he's not connecting on deeper patterns with any regularity, but shorter passes haven't been an issue, regardless of who he's been throwing to (including Garcon on some short throws). His game this season reminds me more of Chad Pennington than Peyton Manning.

That's not to make any excuses for Garcon's shortcomings, I just wonder if Manning is reaching a stage in his career where age is robbing him of some accuracy on the deeper passes.

 

[jamil]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

Like I said above, Manning seems to be going to the slot WR and TE checkoffs with much more regularity this year. Just check his YPA #s.

Sometimes older QBs lose accuracy on the deep pass late in their careers. It happened to Warner last year, IMO it's happening to Favre this season, and I wonder if it's happening to Peyton right now... As you mention Peyton's YPA is down, 7.9 YPA last season and 6.9 YPA this year, and the other outside receiver, Reggie Wayne, has experienced a decrease in catch% as well as YPC this year as well. It's possible that it's purely attributed to the injuries suffered to offensive skill position players, poor oline play, etc., but some of those things I've come to expect a transcendental talent like Manning to overcome. Offensive injuries aside, in the games I have seen him play this season, I haven't seen Manning throw downfield with the same level of accuracy as in past seasons.

I imagine it's blasphemous to suggest that a HOF, best QB of his era type, like Manning, might be suffering an erosion of skills, but for some reason he's not connecting on deeper patterns with any regularity, but shorter passes haven't been an issue, regardless of who he's been throwing to (including Garcon on some short throws). His game this season reminds me more of Chad Pennington than Peyton Manning.

That's not to make any excuses for Garcon's shortcomings, I just wonder if Manning is reaching a stage in his career where age is robbing him of some accuracy on the deeper passes.

Don't know about all that but what I do know is that he's getting killed behind that O-line. And I would also think that Manning knows this too, hence the reason for less deep balls. It also doesn't help that Wayne dropped a long one against the chargers... I'm talking right through his hands drop.

 

[the spanker]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

Like I said above, Manning seems to be going to the slot WR and TE checkoffs with much more regularity this year. Just check his YPA #s.

Sometimes older QBs lose accuracy on the deep pass late in their careers. It happened to Warner last year, IMO it's happening to Favre this season, and I wonder if it's happening to Peyton right now... As you mention Peyton's YPA is down, 7.9 YPA last season and 6.9 YPA this year, and the other outside receiver, Reggie Wayne, has experienced a decrease in catch% as well as YPC this year as well. It's possible that it's purely attributed to the injuries suffered to offensive skill position players, poor oline play, etc., but some of those things I've come to expect a transcendental talent like Manning to overcome. Offensive injuries aside, in the games I have seen him play this season, I haven't seen Manning throw downfield with the same level of accuracy as in past seasons.

I imagine it's blasphemous to suggest that a HOF, best QB of his era type, like Manning, might be suffering an erosion of skills, but for some reason he's not connecting on deeper patterns with any regularity, but shorter passes haven't been an issue, regardless of who he's been throwing to (including Garcon on some short throws). His game this season reminds me more of Chad Pennington than Peyton Manning.

That's not to make any excuses for Garcon's shortcomings, I just wonder if Manning is reaching a stage in his career where age is robbing him of some accuracy on the deeper passes.

Don't know about all that but what I do know is that he's getting killed behind that O-line. And I would also think that Manning knows this too, hence the reason for less deep balls. It also doesn't help that Wayne dropped a long one against the chargers... I'm talking right through his hands drop.

As much as the Chargers were blowing through his line, it's no surprise Manning was rattled. I remember the commentators talking about Manning getting rid of the ball in 2 seconds or less and no matter how good a D was he was going to be effective. Well as the game wore on, those 2 seconds got shorter with each passing play.

With no real running game to speak of and now no OL, Manning is really begging to struggle. I guess on the plus side they don't have to play the Chargers D the remainder of the FF season.

 

[GoRaiders]

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The Worst Colt Wide Receiver Since 1999

Written by Nate Dunlevy | 16 November 2010

Just how bad has Pierre Garcon played this season?

He is probably having the single worst season of any wide receiver since 1999 for the Colts.

Guess he has no where to go but up.

 

[switz]

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The Worst Colt Wide Receiver Since 1999

Written by Nate Dunlevy | 16 November 2010

Just how bad has Pierre Garcon played this season?

He is probably having the single worst season of any wide receiver since 1999 for the Colts.

Guess he has no where to go but up.

What else do you expect from a 6th rounder? Just because Pats fans insist he's the most awesome WR who makes Manning look better than Manning is, since Manning is clearly a crappy QB, doesn't actually mean Garcon is starter material anywhere.

 

[howo5]

The Dallas defense has been constantly torched this season. Anyone think that Indy gets back on track at home this Sunday and Pierre benefits?

 

[packersfan]

The Dallas defense has been constantly torched this season. Anyone think that Indy gets back on track at home this Sunday and Pierre benefits?

It's possible. The Colts can't run the ball so you'd expect Peyton will be throwing it a ton. With five receptions in each of the past three games, Garcon's floor isn't very low right now in PPR leagues so I think he's no worse than a safe WR3 with WR2 upside. It's not a scary matchup by any means and Garcon's production is starting to trend in a positive direction. I'm not saying he'll go off (although I'm hoping he does) but I think he's very viable if you are thinking about starting him.

 

[C-Bound]

Just put him in for Harvin until further notice. Fingers crossed...

 

[Shutout]

Not to change the topic but will Collie even make it back? This dude has taken some real hits and the concussions are no joke. If Collie doesn't make it back then Manning has to find Garcon with even more regularity right? Unless you think White can fill Collie's role?

Like I said above, Manning seems to be going to the slot WR and TE checkoffs with much more regularity this year. Just check his YPA #s.

Sometimes older QBs lose accuracy on the deep pass late in their careers. It happened to Warner last year, IMO it's happening to Favre this season, and I wonder if it's happening to Peyton right now... As you mention Peyton's YPA is down, 7.9 YPA last season and 6.9 YPA this year, and the other outside receiver, Reggie Wayne, has experienced a decrease in catch% as well as YPC this year as well. It's possible that it's purely attributed to the injuries suffered to offensive skill position players, poor oline play, etc., but some of those things I've come to expect a transcendental talent like Manning to overcome. Offensive injuries aside, in the games I have seen him play this season, I haven't seen Manning throw downfield with the same level of accuracy as in past seasons.

I imagine it's blasphemous to suggest that a HOF, best QB of his era type, like Manning, might be suffering an erosion of skills, but for some reason he's not connecting on deeper patterns with any regularity, but shorter passes haven't been an issue, regardless of who he's been throwing to (including Garcon on some short throws). His game this season reminds me more of Chad Pennington than Peyton Manning.

That's not to make any excuses for Garcon's shortcomings, I just wonder if Manning is reaching a stage in his career where age is robbing him of some accuracy on the deeper passes.

The reason for a lot of this is not an erosion of skills, its an erosion of healthy bodies on the field. Manning is as skilled as he's been but this team has lost every ounce of continuity that they can, sans losing Manning himself.

Their defense is missing every one of their big playmakers except their ends and their ends can't do what they do best because the Colts can't get the big leads. basically, teams are hanging in (or outright beating) the Colts these days and that takes away their pass rush they usually excel at once they have a team down by 14+.

On the offensive side, the Addai loss is big. They can't even pretend to run the ball so teams are saying, "ok, beat us by passing". Normally, that would be a death knell for teams and they would get picked apart but with no Clark, Gonzo, Collie, Addai, and an unrealiable Garcon, all that important "little things" are gone. They used to use their backs as a supplement to their run game. Can't even pretend to do that any more so its now about passing.

So teams are bringing the house and that takes away the timing to get the big play to Wayne or the deep ball to Garcon. So that's gone.

So basically the only thing left is the very quick, short passing game and that is ALL about timing and these guys haven't played with Manning enough to get it.

That's why Wayne is getting a ton of targets but the stats are suffering.

That's why Tamme is excelling (he is the only constant reliable thing right now).

Lots going on with the COlts but that's it in a nutshell for your fantasy team and that translates into garcon looking like a risky player with upside because he will have the "meh games" with just enough catches to keep you on the hook and he could possibly get a long bomb and make his game stats look great..But its inconsistent and that's the way it will be till they get some of their players back.

When/if you see Wayne get back to playing exclusively on the left side and you see him being used in the deep passing game, that's when you will know its ok to get Garcon back in there.

 

[packersfan]

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

8 receptions on 8 targets in the first half, including one for a TD.

He's also the Colts leading rusher

 

[mizat000]

8 receptions on 8 targets in the first half, including one for a TD.He's also the Colts leading rusher

Weird second half - almost all the looks were to Reggie or White. I cannot believe Dallas didn't double Reggie in the end of the 4th quarter. I guess they were scared of Garcon getting open .

 

[SieteCinco]

8 receptions on 8 targets in the first half, including one for a TD.He's also the Colts leading rusher

Weird second half - almost all the looks were to Reggie or White. I cannot believe Dallas didn't double Reggie in the end of the 4th quarter. I guess they were scared of Garcon getting open .

I was only catching the plays shown on RedZone but was Dallas doubling Garcon? Wayne was WIDE open on some of those plays.

 

[jamil]

8 receptions on 8 targets in the first half, including one for a TD.He's also the Colts leading rusher

Weird second half - almost all the looks were to Reggie or White. I cannot believe Dallas didn't double Reggie in the end of the 4th quarter. I guess they were scared of Garcon getting open .

Odd to say the least. After that drive where almost all the plays were for him, he got nothing.

 

[Bri]

what is ROS please

 

[fred_1_15301]

what is ROS please

"Rest of Season"

 

[tmanubc]

So what kind of game are you expecting out of Garcon tonight? I think he's going to have another 80 yd and a td type game. He was very solid last week in the first half, with Collie out I have to think he see's 8-10 targets. I don't know much about Tennessee's pass d though so I'm curious what you all think. Seems like Wayne will get all the attention leaving Tamme and Garcon with some good opportunties no?

 

[Bri]

what is ROS please

"Rest of Season"

thank you

 

[Sabertooth]

I benched him last week. Thus, the production came. I'm starting him again this week, like I have ever since he got back from injury so beware.

 

[Futz]

So what kind of game are you expecting out of Garcon tonight? I think he's going to have another 80 yd and a td type game. He was very solid last week in the first half, with Collie out I have to think he see's 8-10 targets. I don't know much about Tennessee's pass d though so I'm curious what you all think. Seems like Wayne will get all the attention leaving Tamme and Garcon with some good opportunties no?

It was a strange game last week. Manning was absolutely glued to Garcon in the first half and then I'm guessing the defense decided to take him away with halftime adjustments. I don't think Garcon saw a 2nd half target. Of course Wayne is the money man and it showed down the stretch.I think Garcon remains pretty involved tonight though. I could see a 6-80 and 50/50 on a TD.

 

[rizzler]

So what kind of game are you expecting out of Garcon tonight? I think he's going to have another 80 yd and a td type game. He was very solid last week in the first half, with Collie out I have to think he see's 8-10 targets. I don't know much about Tennessee's pass d though so I'm curious what you all think. Seems like Wayne will get all the attention leaving Tamme and Garcon with some good opportunties no?

It was a strange game last week. Manning was absolutely glued to Garcon in the first half and then I'm guessing the defense decided to take him away with halftime adjustments. I don't think Garcon saw a 2nd half target. Of course Wayne is the money man and it showed down the stretch.I think Garcon remains pretty involved tonight though. I could see a 6-80 and 50/50 on a TD.

I have that gut "long bomb TD" feeling tonight.

 

[Futz]

So what kind of game are you expecting out of Garcon tonight? I think he's going to have another 80 yd and a td type game. He was very solid last week in the first half, with Collie out I have to think he see's 8-10 targets. I don't know much about Tennessee's pass d though so I'm curious what you all think. Seems like Wayne will get all the attention leaving Tamme and Garcon with some good opportunties no?

It was a strange game last week. Manning was absolutely glued to Garcon in the first half and then I'm guessing the defense decided to take him away with halftime adjustments. I don't think Garcon saw a 2nd half target. Of course Wayne is the money man and it showed down the stretch.I think Garcon remains pretty involved tonight though. I could see a 6-80 and 50/50 on a TD.

I have that gut "long bomb TD" feeling tonight.

It seems as though he's the deep threat but they really have had a pretty conservative passing game lately. Taking a lot of what the defense gives them like the slants and curls. Not too many shots down the field. It would be great to see though.

 

[rocketsauce]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre.

Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

Maybe Manning stays right a little more tonight in an attempt to right the ship? Garcon had 6 for 136 last year in the 2nd meeting v the Titans, with Wayne having a quiet 4 for 44. I'm rolling with Garcon over Holmes, and hoping we get a repeat of last year's meeting.

 

[packersfan]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre. Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

It's one of those games where you can't complain about the fantasy total but you're irked because it all came in the first half so you have every right to think could have been an even bigger game. As far as the deep ball, I think a lot of that is tied to the problems the Colts have had up front. I'm not sure Manning has a lot of trust that they can protect him long enough to take shots deep. But if he gets some time tonight maybe that will give Garcon a chance. They did try a bomb two weeks ago and Garcon appeared to be open but there was either a timing issue between them or Manning simply threw a bad pass.

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre.

Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

Maybe Manning stays right a little more tonight in an attempt to right the ship? Garcon had 6 for 136 last year in the 2nd meeting v the Titans, with Wayne having a quiet 4 for 44. I'm rolling with Garcon over Holmes, and hoping we get a repeat of last year's meeting.

Did you ever notice how many almost always locks into one half of the field or the other right at the snap and rarely even glances at the other side during the play unless it completely breaks down? You can tell within a second of the snap who he is looking for in most cases.

 

[Futz]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre.

Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

Maybe Manning stays right a little more tonight in an attempt to right the ship? Garcon had 6 for 136 last year in the 2nd meeting v the Titans, with Wayne having a quiet 4 for 44. I'm rolling with Garcon over Holmes, and hoping we get a repeat of last year's meeting.

Did you ever notice how many almost always locks into one half of the field or the other right at the snap and rarely even glances at the other side during the play unless it completely breaks down? You can tell within a second of the snap who he is looking for in most cases.

I've totally noticed this. If Garcon is on the right, and after the snap Peyton looks left, you might as well fast forward on the DVR.

 

[packersfan]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre.

Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

Maybe Manning stays right a little more tonight in an attempt to right the ship? Garcon had 6 for 136 last year in the 2nd meeting v the Titans, with Wayne having a quiet 4 for 44. I'm rolling with Garcon over Holmes, and hoping we get a repeat of last year's meeting.

Did you ever notice how many almost always locks into one half of the field or the other right at the snap and rarely even glances at the other side during the play unless it completely breaks down? You can tell within a second of the snap who he is looking for in most cases.

I've totally noticed this. If Garcon is on the right, and after the snap Peyton looks left, you might as well fast forward on the DVR.

Brady used to do that a lot with Moss too. And not just this season. There would be a lot of pass plays where he'd never even look in Moss' direction. I guess you could say that's because he knew or assumed there would be safety help over the top but wouldn't you still look that way just to be sure? I always found that odd.

 

[Futz]

Yeah I watched that entire game. Very bizarre.

Manning & Garcon marched down the field in the 2nd quarter, capping it with a TD. From that point on, Garcon never got another target, and I'm not sure Manning even LOOKED to the right the entire time. All 3 of his INTs were to his left. One each at Tamme, Wayne, and Collie. It was infuriating as I was starting Garcon, and my opponent had Wayne. Dallas was doing nothing to try to stop Wayne, and Manning just wouldn't turn his damn head to the right. I have to assume they had a safety over the top of Garcon after that one big drive, but I don't know, the announcers never made mention of it (and I haven't heard it mentioned in any fantasy circles this week either.) Very odd.

Maybe Manning stays right a little more tonight in an attempt to right the ship? Garcon had 6 for 136 last year in the 2nd meeting v the Titans, with Wayne having a quiet 4 for 44. I'm rolling with Garcon over Holmes, and hoping we get a repeat of last year's meeting.

Did you ever notice how many almost always locks into one half of the field or the other right at the snap and rarely even glances at the other side during the play unless it completely breaks down? You can tell within a second of the snap who he is looking for in most cases.

I've totally noticed this. If Garcon is on the right, and after the snap Peyton looks left, you might as well fast forward on the DVR.

Brady used to do that a lot with Moss too. And not just this season. There would be a lot of pass plays where he'd never even look in Moss' direction. I guess you could say that's because he knew or assumed there would be safety help over the top but wouldn't you still look that way just to be sure? I always found that odd.

I think a lot of this is gameplanning. The QB gets it stuck in his head from watching tape where his + matchups are and relentlessly tries to expose it despite what might be going on elsewhere.Garcon was owning that DB and that's why it was so puzzling to watch Peyton continously throw INTs in the opposite direction. Really forced throws at that.

 

[packersfan]

Garcon was owning that DB and that's why it was so puzzling to watch Peyton continously throw INTs in the opposite direction. Really forced throws at that.

Yeah Aikman commented about how he thought that was a matchup the Colts should try to exploit and they didn't after the first half. I'd consider him a pretty good source of QB knowledge and information.

 

[packersfan]

 

[Futz]

I think Garcon remains pretty involved tonight though. I guarantee he gets 6-80 and 2 TDs.

Fixed

 

[rocketsauce]

Woooooo! Garcon baby. This is important enough to break this out:

Garçon!