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Pierre looking great as a power runner.... (1 Viewer)

We saw earlier in the season how effective Thomas could be when paired with Bush. I think he can be a good RB3 (especially in PPR leagues) with RB2 upside. He's so much better than Deuce it's not even funny. You could see tonight how old and slow and sluggish Deuce looked but Thomas brought serious juice and speed to the backfield. There's really no reason for him to not be the No. 2 RB behind Bush going forward.

If Deuce is suspended, Thomas' value will continue to soar. But even if he isn't, I have to believe Payton is smart enough to realize that Deuce offers nothing other than the ability to score from the 1-yard line. Bush and Thomas are superior RBs.

I think Thomas is looking like he could be a very nice RB to own the rest of the way. All he's done whenever he's gotten the opportunity is produce.

 
Didn't get to see the game tonight. What's the storyline on Deuce? Thomas had a ton more carries. Is Deuce banged up or did he just not play much because he missed practice this week? Or is this a performance thing? I'm out of the loop.

 
Didn't get to see the game tonight. What's the storyline on Deuce? Thomas had a ton more carries. Is Deuce banged up or did he just not play much because he missed practice this week? Or is this a performance thing? I'm out of the loop.
The storyline is simple: Deuce looks washed up and Thomas is a vastly superior RB. The Saints gave Deuce a gift TD so he could set the team's all-time TD record and that was a nice gesture by Payton. But even though Deuce "started" it was obvious early on that he didn't have anything to offer whereas Thomas ran hard, ran fast and made plays as both a runner and receiver.
 
Didn't get to see the game tonight. What's the storyline on Deuce? Thomas had a ton more carries. Is Deuce banged up or did he just not play much because he missed practice this week? Or is this a performance thing? I'm out of the loop.
Deuce is slowing up. He had more talent than any back on our roster when he was in his prime but life in the NFL is shorter for some backs than others. Deuce having both those knee surgeries has hurt him amd I wonder if he is fully recovered when I see him run. The speed isnt there but the power is. This should be the last week that Reggie Bush isnt the main topic of discussion as far as Saints RB's are concerned but I do think Pierre will get some love as well. Deuce will not beat his suspension so its really pointless to argue his production going forward.
 
Too bad they dont move Bush to the slot, where hed be deadly in open space.

QB Brees

RB Thomas

WR Colston

WR Moore

WR Bush

 
Thomas will still have value, even more so if Deuce gets suspended where he can't vulture that short TD. If you watched the game, you could see the plays where Thomas did a little bit of what would usually be Bush plays, so obviously he wouldn't get those catches. I think he really showed a lot tonight. Definitely a RB3/Flex type guy, esp. if the match-up is right...obviously higher value if Bush continues to miss time.

 
that garbage gift to Deuce cost me the game, needed 2 more lousy points (or 13 yards) from Pierre. Deuce looked decrepid. Washed up. Thomas >Deuce and it's not close.

 
I sure hope Payton saw what I saw tonight! Thomas is a perfect blend of Duece and Bush. He can run between the tackles...ala Duce...and catch the ball out of the backfield...ala Bush. Now hes not as versital as Bush catching the ball...hence the perfect blend of both. Thomas should be on the field as much as possible...even when Bush is healthy.

 
I think that the Saints would be best served throwing Bush in the slot, and having Thomas as the HB. I think that Thomas is a better pure running back than Bush anyways, and we all know what sort of threat Bush is as a receiver. On top of that, there is no need for Bush to take the kind of punishment that he did carrying the ball so much, when Thomas is more effective as a running back anyways.

 
To be fair the Packers have made a few backs look better than they are recently.
This is true but as I posted earlier Thomas has produced whenever he's gotten the opportunity. So what happened last night wasn't just a case of the Packers making a RB look good. And even if that's the case, Deuce ran against the same defense last night and looked terrible. Here is what Thomas did earlier in the year when paired with Bush:Week 1: 10-52-0/2-11-0Week 2: 6-8-1/2-29-0Week 3: 6-15-2/3-8-0Those aren't gaudy numbers but the two keys are:1. He was getting double-digit touches2. He was scoringFrom a fantasy perspective, he was a solid RB3. In a PPR league, he had RB2 upside because he was involved in the passing game even with Bush healthy.
 
Tirico mentioned that Deuce had his knee drained this week and it was limiting him.
It's pretty obvious that Deuce re-injured the knee, or at the very least, tweaked it again. He was running much harder two weeks ago against the Panthers. Just one month ago Deuce averaged 5+ yards a carry in back to back games and looked like the stronger back. Something had to happen.
 
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Didn't get to see the game tonight. What's the storyline on Deuce? Thomas had a ton more carries. Is Deuce banged up or did he just not play much because he missed practice this week? Or is this a performance thing? I'm out of the loop.
Deuce=Bettis a few years ago. They love him in New Orleans and he has a limited role there.
 
Didn't get to see the game tonight. What's the storyline on Deuce? Thomas had a ton more carries. Is Deuce banged up or did he just not play much because he missed practice this week? Or is this a performance thing? I'm out of the loop.
Deuce=Bettis a few years ago. They love him in New Orleans and he has a limited role there.
I agree and hope Deuce will take a restructured contract where he can be paid like the role player he is now. If not I hope he retires a Saint after this year. The guy is a first class person and a warrior to fight back as far as he did from the ACL AND microfracture surgery he had this past offseason. He is my favorite all time Saints player but Drew Brees is catching up pretty quick.
 
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Tirico mentioned that Deuce had his knee drained this week and it was limiting him.
It's pretty obvious that Deuce re-injured the knee, or at the very least, tweaked it again. He was running much harder two weeks ago against the Panthers. Just one month ago Deuce averaged 5+ yards a carry in back to back games and looked like the stronger back. Something had to happen.
I think this is the key here, Thomas got his chances because Deuce was hurt. I'm not saying it makes sense because he looked pretty good since last year, and he looked good last night. But wasn't he fourth on the depth chart before Stecker got hurt. Is there just something that the staff doesn't like about him?
 
Tirico mentioned that Deuce had his knee drained this week and it was limiting him.
It's pretty obvious that Deuce re-injured the knee, or at the very least, tweaked it again. He was running much harder two weeks ago against the Panthers. Just one month ago Deuce averaged 5+ yards a carry in back to back games and looked like the stronger back. Something had to happen.
I think this is the key here, Thomas got his chances because Deuce was hurt. I'm not saying it makes sense because he looked pretty good since last year, and he looked good last night. But wasn't he fourth on the depth chart before Stecker got hurt. Is there just something that the staff doesn't like about him?
The Washington and Denver games that we lost were close and PT wasnt running as hard back then and couldn't get the yard needed to sustain the game wining drive so I think he took a back seat for a while because of those poor performances. Clearly he has moved up the depth chart now and especially after last nights performance. Lance Moore was also on the bubble to be cut earlier in the year. times change.
 
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Tirico mentioned that Deuce had his knee drained this week and it was limiting him.
It's pretty obvious that Deuce re-injured the knee, or at the very least, tweaked it again. He was running much harder two weeks ago against the Panthers. Just one month ago Deuce averaged 5+ yards a carry in back to back games and looked like the stronger back. Something had to happen.
I think this is the key here, Thomas got his chances because Deuce was hurt. I'm not saying it makes sense because he looked pretty good since last year, and he looked good last night. But wasn't he fourth on the depth chart before Stecker got hurt. Is there just something that the staff doesn't like about him?
There was a lot of talk about Thomas early in the season and there were stories posted saying the Saints liked him a lot and Deuce probably wouldn't have made the team this year if Stecker hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason. Frankly, I think Payton fell victim to sentiment in terms of playing Deuce as long as he did. Deuce hasn't looked very good all season long in my opinion. His power makes him a decent short-yardage RB but he's run slow and looked sluggish for most of the season. Thomas has looked better all year long in my opinion but I think Payton let sentiment cloud his judgment.I think Thomas has clearly shown again the past two weeks that he is the far superior RB. I'm not sure how anyone could objectively watch the last two games and come away with any other conclusion. What happens going forward remains to be seen. But what should happen in my opinion is Thomas should take on the "Deuce" role when Bush returns. That means 10-15 carries, 2-4 receptions a game and the goal-line looks. If Deuce is suspended then obviously Thomas gets that role regardless because it would just be Bush and Thomas to carry the load.Just my two cents.
 
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Tirico mentioned that Deuce had his knee drained this week and it was limiting him.
It's pretty obvious that Deuce re-injured the knee, or at the very least, tweaked it again. He was running much harder two weeks ago against the Panthers. Just one month ago Deuce averaged 5+ yards a carry in back to back games and looked like the stronger back. Something had to happen.
I think this is the key here, Thomas got his chances because Deuce was hurt. I'm not saying it makes sense because he looked pretty good since last year, and he looked good last night. But wasn't he fourth on the depth chart before Stecker got hurt. Is there just something that the staff doesn't like about him?
The Washington and Denver games that we lost were close and PT wasnt running as hard back then and couldn't get the yard needed to sustain the game wining drive so I think he took a back seat for a while because of those poor performances. Clearly he has moved up the depth chart now and especially after last nights performance. Lance Moore was also on the bubble to be cut earlier in the year. times change.
Those failed conversions were much more as a result of the poor run blocking by the Saints O-line than lack of effort/talent by Pierre. He was hit in the backfield in each of those situations.
 
There was a lot of talk about Thomas early in the season and there were stories posted saying the Saints liked him a lot and Deuce probably wouldn't have made the team this year if Stecker hadn't gotten hurt in the preseason

Never heard any talk of Deuce not making the team after he restructured his contract.

Frankly, I think Payton fell victim to sentiment in terms of playing Deuce as long as he did. Deuce hasn't looked very good all season long in my opinion.

Did Deuce look like his former self? No way so if you thought Deuce looked bad how can you watch the Washington and Denver games and honestly say Pierre Thomas ran well in those games? Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories. Here is a post I made about those early performances on the Saints board; http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=sounds7

His power makes him a decent short-yardage RB but he's run slow and looked sluggish for most of the season. agree for the most part but two weeks ago before he tweaked his knee I thought he ran well against the panthers

Thomas has looked better all year long in my opinion but I think Payton let sentiment cloud his judgment. Thomas looked better in many of the games, not all. If Payton did let sentiment cloud his Judgement regarding Deuce then why was Stecker ahead of Pierre before he got hurt? Pierre had to earn his spot back and the coaches confidence is why. If you look at the link to PT's stats you see he vanishes between week 4 and week 9. He was in the dog house, plain and simple. Now he is out of the dog house. http://30808240811.football.nfl.com/player...yerpage/1226369

I think Thomas has clearly shown again the past two weeks that he is the far superior RB. I'm not sure how anyone could objectively watch the last two games and come away with any other conclusion.

The Last two games there is no doubt, Thomas has been the better back for sure.

What happens going forward remains to be seen. But what should happen in my opinion is Thomas should take on the "Deuce" role when Bush returns. That means 10-15 carries, 2-4 receptions a game and the goal-line looks. I hope so and I hope he can take the pounding. He is a little guy but he runs hard.

If Deuce is suspended then obviously Thomas gets that role regardless because it would just be Bush and Thomas to carry the load. This year you are right but next year I dont think so. They need a bruiser to wear defenses down. Pierre is best suited in Reggie Bush's role that is his skill set and in some aspects he does things better than Reggie.

 
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Did Deuce look like his former self? No way so if you thought Deuce looked bad how can you watch the Washington and Denver games and honestly say Pierre Thomas ran well in those games? Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories. Here is a post I made about those early performances on the Saints board; http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=sounds7
P. Thomas cost New Orleans the game vs. Denver and Washington? Are you serious? First of all, against Washington, on the 1 yard line, it was P. Thomas who punched it in for the score to put New Orleans ahead. Secondly, the guy only had 6 carries in the game and 3 of those came in short yardage situations. 2 of them at the GL that he punched in and another on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left in the game. The O-line had NO PUSH on that play whatsoever and Thomas was lucky to even get back to the LOS. Not to mention it was obvious from the play-calling what the play was going to be. What cost the Saints that game? The very next drive giving up a 67 yd TD bomb to S. Moss on the very 1st play that put Washington ahead and the subsequent Brees INT on their next drive with over 3 minutes remaining. To top it off, Washington had a 4th and 2 with 2 minutes left and the Saints defense allowed Campbell to complete an 8 yd pass to Moss to seal the game. A defensive stop there and NO gets the ball back with just under 2 min left at their own 35.

So, while it would have been nice if P. Thomas could have converted that 3rd and 1 late in the game, he HARDLY cost the Saints that game. That blame would fall on the NO secondary, Payton's play calling, Brees on his late INT, and the entire NO defense in general. Blaming PT for that loss because he didn't convert ONE 3rd and short is ridiculous.

Now, let's go to the Denver game. This is a game where P. Thomas scored TWO touchdowns and you want to blame the loss on him? Yes, he also didn't convert a late 3rd and 1 where again the OL had no push whatsoever. However, Gramatica missing a very makeable 43 yd FG to take the lead is what cost the Saints the game, not PT's lack of a 3rd down conversion. Blaming PT for that loss is even worse than blaming him for the loss vs. Washington.

 
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There was a post in the RotoWorld Pierre Thomas thread from earlier in the season which linked to a story from Fox Sports saying Deuce was in danger of being cut in the preseason. Unfortunately, the link isn't working.

I think it's a major reach to say Thomas lost two games earlier in the season. The line blocked poorly, he didn't make the runs and Gramatica missed FGs. Plenty of reasons for those losses and it's inaccurate in my opinion to place the blame solely on Thomas.

As far as the depth chart pecking order, I've already stated I think Payton let sentiment cloud his judgment. Watching Thomas this season, the only RB who has looked better on the team is Bush. Thomas is clearly a better RB than Stecker and he's clearly better than Deuce. Perhaps the discussion should be centering on why Payton stopped using Thomas and whether that impacted the Saints' ability to win games. Just a thought. :goodposting:

And yes I'm a Thomas owner. But I'm a Thomas owner because I think he's the second-best RB on the team. I've watched the Saints' backfield closely because I have Bush and Deuce in a couple of minor leagues and Thomas in my main one. I've seen all three RBs (and Stecker) play and there's no question in my mind who the two best RBs on the team are and who the Saints should be using. And that's Bush (if healthy) and Thomas. Again, that's just my opinion and it doesn't mean squat compared to what Payton wants to do but that's my assessment.

ETA - great post gianmarco

 
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Did Deuce look like his former self? No way so if you thought Deuce looked bad how can you watch the Washington and Denver games and honestly say Pierre Thomas ran well in those games? Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories. Here is a post I made about those early performances on the Saints board; http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=sounds7
P. Thomas cost New Orleans the game vs. Denver and Washington? Are you serious? First of all, against Washington, on the 1 yard line, it was P. Thomas who punched it in for the score to put New Orleans ahead. Secondly, the guy only had 6 carries in the game and 3 of those came in short yardage situations. 2 of them at the GL that he punched in and another on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left in the game. The O-line had NO PUSH on that play whatsoever and Thomas was lucky to even get back to the LOS. Not to mention it was obvious from the play-calling what the play was going to be. What cost the Saints that game? The very next drive giving up a 67 yd TD bomb to S. Moss on the very 1st play that put Washington ahead and the subsequent Brees INT on their next drive with over 3 minutes remaining.

So, while it would have been nice if P. Thomas could have converted that 3rd and 1 late in the game, he HARDLY cost the Saints that game. That blame would fall on the NO secondary, Payton's play calling, and Brees on his late INT. Blaming PT for that loss is ridiculous.

Now, let's go to the Denver game. This is a game where P. Thomas scored TWO touchdowns and you want to blame the loss on him? Yes, he also didn't convert a late 3rd and 1 where again the OL had no push whatsoever. However, Gramatica missing a very makeable 43 yd FG to take the lead is what cost the Saints the game, not PT's lack of a 3rd down conversion. Blaming PT for that loss is even worse than blaming him for the loss vs. Washington.
He played respectable against the Denver Defense (who doesnt) But what stuck out in my mind where two things. The end of the first half on the one yard line and 4 straight attempts he could not get in for the Td. Later in the game with it tied and the Saints on a scoring drive he needed 1 yard again for the game wining drive to continue just like the week before at Washington and he failed. The next week PT vanishes until week 9 and the other backs get more looks why? because the coach saw the same thing I did. Fast forward to today PT has corrected this situation and has played his way back into the lineup. We will just have to agree to disagree on PT play earlier in the season but we agree that now he is the better back and thats the main topic of this discussion
 
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Did Deuce look like his former self? No way so if you thought Deuce looked bad how can you watch the Washington and Denver games and honestly say Pierre Thomas ran well in those games? Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories. Here is a post I made about those early performances on the Saints board; http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=sounds7
P. Thomas cost New Orleans the game vs. Denver and Washington? Are you serious? First of all, against Washington, on the 1 yard line, it was P. Thomas who punched it in for the score to put New Orleans ahead. Secondly, the guy only had 6 carries in the game and 3 of those came in short yardage situations. 2 of them at the GL that he punched in and another on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left in the game. The O-line had NO PUSH on that play whatsoever and Thomas was lucky to even get back to the LOS. Not to mention it was obvious from the play-calling what the play was going to be. What cost the Saints that game? The very next drive giving up a 67 yd TD bomb to S. Moss on the very 1st play that put Washington ahead and the subsequent Brees INT on their next drive with over 3 minutes remaining.

So, while it would have been nice if P. Thomas could have converted that 3rd and 1 late in the game, he HARDLY cost the Saints that game. That blame would fall on the NO secondary, Payton's play calling, and Brees on his late INT. Blaming PT for that loss is ridiculous.

Now, let's go to the Denver game. This is a game where P. Thomas scored TWO touchdowns and you want to blame the loss on him? Yes, he also didn't convert a late 3rd and 1 where again the OL had no push whatsoever. However, Gramatica missing a very makeable 43 yd FG to take the lead is what cost the Saints the game, not PT's lack of a 3rd down conversion. Blaming PT for that loss is even worse than blaming him for the loss vs. Washington.
He played respectable against the Denver Defense (who doesnt) But what stuck out in my mind where two things. The end of the first half on the one yard line and 4 straight attempts he could not get in for the Td. Later in the game with it tied and the Saints on a scoring drive he needed 1 yard again for the game wining drive to continue just like the week before at Washington and he failed. The next week PT vanishes until week 9 and the other backs get more looks why? because the coach saw the same thing I did. Fast forward to today PT has corrected this situation and has played his way back into the lineup.
Incorrect. You might want to go watch the game again or pull up the play-by-play. 1st down was a pass play to Patten from the 5 and he brought it to the 1. 2nd down was to P. Thomas and he didn't get in. 3rd down was a fumble by Brees and recovered by Karney. 4th down was another run attempt by P. Thomas and he failed to get in. I specifically remember that play as it was the EXACT same play they tried on 2nd down and they were waiting for it. So no, he did not fail on 4 straight attempts.Once again, the O-line's run blocking and Payton's play calling were just as much to blame for those lack of conversions as P. Thomas was. Could Deuce have punched it in? Maybe, maybe not. Is it possible that if PT converts either one the Saints win? Absolutely. Could the Saints have won if Payton had just kicked the FG there instead? Absolutely.

Again, there's no doubt he couldn't convert a couple key 3rd and short/4th and short down plays. It was extremely disappointing given how he was playing the rest of the game. However, the blame on those lack of conversions isn't solely on P. Thomas and I would argue was much more of a result of poor run blocking. And even more importantly, to blame those 2 losses on P. Thomas is absurd given the failure by the Saints in other more important areas that should never have happened. Thomas is the LAST person to blame for those 2 losses.

 
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I can understand the train of thought where Thomas was behind Deuce because the staff is loyal to Deuce. Don't necessarily think that is correct, but it may be.

What is the logic for why he was behind Stecker when Stecker was healthy?

 
Did Deuce look like his former self? No way so if you thought Deuce looked bad how can you watch the Washington and Denver games and honestly say Pierre Thomas ran well in those games? Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories. Here is a post I made about those early performances on the Saints board; http://www.saintsreport.com/forums/showthr...ghlight=sounds7
P. Thomas cost New Orleans the game vs. Denver and Washington? Are you serious? First of all, against Washington, on the 1 yard line, it was P. Thomas who punched it in for the score to put New Orleans ahead. Secondly, the guy only had 6 carries in the game and 3 of those came in short yardage situations. 2 of them at the GL that he punched in and another on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left in the game. The O-line had NO PUSH on that play whatsoever and Thomas was lucky to even get back to the LOS. Not to mention it was obvious from the play-calling what the play was going to be. What cost the Saints that game? The very next drive giving up a 67 yd TD bomb to S. Moss on the very 1st play that put Washington ahead and the subsequent Brees INT on their next drive with over 3 minutes remaining.

So, while it would have been nice if P. Thomas could have converted that 3rd and 1 late in the game, he HARDLY cost the Saints that game. That blame would fall on the NO secondary, Payton's play calling, and Brees on his late INT. Blaming PT for that loss is ridiculous.

Now, let's go to the Denver game. This is a game where P. Thomas scored TWO touchdowns and you want to blame the loss on him? Yes, he also didn't convert a late 3rd and 1 where again the OL had no push whatsoever. However, Gramatica missing a very makeable 43 yd FG to take the lead is what cost the Saints the game, not PT's lack of a 3rd down conversion. Blaming PT for that loss is even worse than blaming him for the loss vs. Washington.
He played respectable against the Denver Defense (who doesnt) But what stuck out in my mind where two things. The end of the first half on the one yard line and 4 straight attempts he could not get in for the Td. Later in the game with it tied and the Saints on a scoring drive he needed 1 yard again for the game wining drive to continue just like the week before at Washington and he failed. The next week PT vanishes until week 9 and the other backs get more looks why? because the coach saw the same thing I did. Fast forward to today PT has corrected this situation and has played his way back into the lineup.
Incorrect. You might want to go watch the game again or pull up the play-by-play. 1st down was a pass play to Patten from the 5 and he brought it to the 1. 2nd down was to P. Thomas and he didn't get in. 3rd down was a fumble by Brees and recovered by Karney. 4th down was another run attempt by P. Thomas and he failed to get in. I specifically remember that play as it was the EXACT same play they tried on 2nd down and they were waiting for it. So no, he did not fail on 4 straight attempts.Once again, the O-line's run blocking and Payton's play calling were just as much to blame for those lack of conversions as P. Thomas was. Could Deuce have punched it in? Maybe, maybe not. Is it possible that if PT converts either one the Saints win? Absolutely. Could the Saints have won if Payton had just kicked the FG there instead? Absolutely.

Again, there's no doubt he couldn't convert a couple key 3rd and short/4th and short down plays. It was extremely disappointing given how he was playing the rest of the game. However, the blame on those lack of conversions isn't solely on P. Thomas and I would argue was much more of a result of poor run blocking. And even more importantly, to blame those 2 losses on P. Thomas is absurd given the failure by the Saints in other more important areas that should never have happened. Thomas is the LAST person to blame for those 2 losses.
If it was the O line's fault entirely then just one week before in limited action Deuce got 5 ypc on his only two carries behind the same line in the same situation. Deuce wasnt even 100% and he got 5ypc on his only 2 carries at Washington. Ad that with PT failed 5 attempts at one yard and it equaled up to dog house for 5 games. And You are stuck on the two losses being blamed totally on PT. I wont give him the total credit for the loses but he was part of it. Any way lets move on.
 
I can understand the train of thought where Thomas was behind Deuce because the staff is loyal to Deuce. Don't necessarily think that is correct, but it may be.What is the logic for why he was behind Stecker when Stecker was healthy?
Dog house- he became the kick returner for 5 games
 
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I can understand the train of thought where Thomas was behind Deuce because the staff is loyal to Deuce. Don't necessarily think that is correct, but it may be.What is the logic for why he was behind Stecker when Stecker was healthy?
I'm sure someone knows the answer for sure, but my guess is that this was a special teams thing. When Bush was healthy so you had Bush, McAllister and then the 3rd RB had to be a special teams guy. Weeks 8 & 10, when Bush has been out and Deuce was used a lot, it's hard to tell who was behind who by the stats. They were both used sparingly and then Thomas has gotten the work lately.
 
I can understand the train of thought where Thomas was behind Deuce because the staff is loyal to Deuce. Don't necessarily think that is correct, but it may be.What is the logic for why he was behind Stecker when Stecker was healthy?
Dog house- he became the kick returner for 5 games
And this comes back to my question about whether Payton errored by putting his second-best RB in the dog house for so many games.
 
And You are stuck on the two losses being blamed totally on PT.
That might be because you previously said: "Frankly, he sucked and cost his team both victories."That statement strongly implies that you believe Thomas is the sole or leading reason why the Saints lost both games.
 
I can understand the train of thought where Thomas was behind Deuce because the staff is loyal to Deuce. Don't necessarily think that is correct, but it may be.What is the logic for why he was behind Stecker when Stecker was healthy?
Dog house- he became the kick returner for 5 games
And this comes back to my question about whether Payton errored by putting his second-best RB in the dog house for so many games.
In Hind sight maybe he errored but that wouldnt be the first time
 
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By the way Packersfan, being the all out Pierre Thomas owner that you are, how compromised were you last night with your team going against PT? There was a Saints fan in front of me in the Dome and every time Rogers would score he would cheer and then he turned right back around and pulled for the Saints when we had the ball. I guess his fantasy team made out alright but I wanted to smack him for cheering Rogers at a Saints game for his fantasy team.

 
By the way Packersfan, being the all out Pierre Thomas owner that you are, how compromised were you last night with your team going against PT? There was a Saints fan in front of me in the Dome and every time Rogers would score he would cheer and then he turned right back around and pulled for the Saints when we had the ball. I guess his fantasy team made out alright but I wanted to smack him for cheering Rogers at a Saints game for his fantasy team.
My hope was the same as it is whenever I have a player going against the Packers. I want the player to do well and the Packers to win. I expected plenty of points so I was confident Thomas would do well and he did. Unfortunately, the Packers didn't play as well as I expected and got blown out. The way I look at it is it's unlikely the Packers (or most teams) will pitch a shutout so if they're going to give up any TDs I hope it goes to my guy. Unfortunately, they gave it up to my guy and plenty more last night.
 
can I just mention my continued dislike of Emmitt Smith? in the pregame discussion, Stuart asks Emmitt what Deuce has meant to the city of New Orleans, or something like that. and Emmitt responds, "Deuce STALEY (blah blah blah)..." how dumb can you be?

 
something to think about:

Pierre Thomas

Last year week 17 -12/30/2007

against CHI @ CHI

20att 105yds 5.3ypc 13 long 0 TD

AND

12Rec 121yds 10.1avg 17long 1 TD

226 Total yards and a receiving TD against Chicago. Not Bad.

[No Deuce, No Bush, lots of Devin Hester]

 
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something to think about:

Pierre Thomas

Last year week 17 -12/30/2007

against CHI @ CHI

20att 105yds 5.3ypc 13 long 0 TD

AND

12Rec 121yds 10.1avg 17long 1 TD

226 Total yards and a receiving TD against Chicago. Not Bad.

[No Deuce, No Bush, lots of Devin Hester]
Good point. It may not be December 30th, 2007 today, but in a few years who knows?
 
If you're having trouble figuring out who to rank first among your waiver pickups this week, the answer is simple: Saints RB Pierre Thomas. That is, of course, if he's still available in your league.

It's been a strange season for Thomas. He started out with a bang (three TDs in the first three weeks), then took a backseat to Deuce McAllister for a long stretch, and now he's looking like a stud fantasy back again. Although anything is possible, I think Thomas' hot streak will continue for the rest of the year, as Deuce's days as an impact rusher appear to be over.

Even when Reggie Bush returns — whenever that may be — Thomas should still maintain lots of value. He is a hard-charging runner with a nose for the goal line, and his production lately has been superb. In his last two outings, the Illinois product has 31 carries for 175 yards and three TDs. That equates to a score about every 10 carries and a tremendous 5.6-yard average.

Thomas also has proven to be a skilled pass catcher. In the past three weeks, he has 12 catches for 124 yards. Now, his receiving stats are likely to take a hit once the versatile Bush is back on the field, but it really won't matter if he continues to run the ball well.

The bottom line is this: With your waiver wire probably bereft of talent by now, Thomas is a rare example of a late-season addition that could have a major impact in the fantasy playoffs. Hopefully you can pounce on him before your fellow owners try to do the same.

:rolleyes:

 
From fanball:

Saints: Thomas will still be involved

11/25/08 11:36 PM

Saints running back Pierre Thomas will be involved more heavily even when Reggie Bush returns to action, according to the Biloxi Sun-Hearld.

 
From fanball:Saints: Thomas will still be involved11/25/08 11:36 PMSaints running back Pierre Thomas will be involved more heavily even when Reggie Bush returns to action, according to the Biloxi Sun-Hearld.
He will obviously be involved some, but what degree will be interesting. With McAllister washed up and getting fluid drained out of his knee and Bush still recovering from knee surgery and getting constantly dinged up THomas is a great guy to hold onto to. He will still have some value and it may be more than you think.
 
protoslacker said:
something to think about:

Pierre Thomas

Last year week 17 -12/30/2007

against CHI @ CHI

20att 105yds 5.3ypc 13 long 0 TD

AND

12Rec 121yds 10.1avg 17long 1 TD

226 Total yards and a receiving TD against Chicago. Not Bad.

[No Deuce, No Bush, lots of Devin Hester]
Good point. It may not be December 30th, 2007 today, but in a few years who knows?
Came earlier than you thought?
Actually no. I started him with confidence last night.
 

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