"Pierre Thomas our number one back", Brees (1 Viewer)

[Rylenol]

I think this is the type of news we've been waiting for regarding the RB starter in NO.

Is this going to propel Thomas into the 2nd round instead of the later part of the 3rd, early 4th?

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2009/...ierre-thomas-is

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think this is about 2 dozen guys.

In a 12 team ppr, how many do you think pierre beats out in the draft -- not in production?

1 1.01 Adrian Peterson RB MIN 1.4 0.7 1.01 1.05 673

2 1.03 Matt Forte RB CHI 2.7 1.1 1.01 1.07 537

3 1.03 Michael Turner RB ATL 3.2 1.2 1.01 1.08 469

4 1.04 Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC 3.7 1.2 1.01 1.09 751

5 1.07 Steven Jackson RB STL 6.5 2.0 1.02 2.05 478

6 1.07 Chris Johnson RB TEN 7.1 2.2 1.01 2.04 697

7 1.07 Brian Westbrook RB PHI 7.4 2.5 1.01 2.06 506

8 1.08 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD 8.3 2.5 1.01 2.07 639

9 1.09 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 8.8 2.3 1.02 2.04 726

10 1.11 Deangelo Williams RB CAR 10.5 3.3 1.01 2.09 663

11 1.11 Andre Johnson WR HOU 11.2 2.5 1.04 2.09 751

12 1.12 Steve Slaton RB HOU 11.9 3.1 1.03 2.09 717

13 1.12 Randy Moss WR NE 12.3 2.9 1.04 2.11 762

14 2.02 Frank Gore RB SF 14.0 3.1 1.05 2.10 698

15 2.04 Calvin Johnson WR DET 15.7 2.7 1.08 3.07 801

16 2.05 Clinton Portis RB WAS 16.6 3.0 1.08 3.03 554

17 2.05 Drew Brees QB NO 16.8 4.8 1.04 3.06 537

18 2.06 Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 17.6 3.3 1.08 3.04 667

19 2.07 Reggie Wayne WR IND 18.9 3.0 1.11 3.05 747

20 2.07 Tom Brady QB NE 19.0 6.5 1.02 3.10 626

21 2.08 Marion Barber RB DAL 19.7 3.7 1.10 3.09 610

22 2.11 Roddy White WR ATL 22.6 3.2 2.02 3.11 596

23 2.11 Steve Smith WR CAR 22.8 3.0 2.02 3.09 667

here was the next bunch

24 3.01 Greg Jennings WR GB 24.7 3.9 2.02 4.05 765

25 3.01 Marques Colston WR NO 25.1 3.7 2.03 3.12 568

26 3.02 Anquan Boldin WR ARI 26.4 3.6 2.05 4.03 664

27 3.03 Peyton Manning QB IND 27.4 4.6 2.03 4.06 521

28 3.06 Ronnie Brown RB MIA 29.6 5.4 2.03 4.10 672

29 3.06 Dwayne Bowe WR KC 30.4 3.4 2.10 4.08 520

30 3.07 Ryan Grant RB GB 31.4 5.4 2.05 4.12 527

31 3.08 Terrell Owens WR BUF 31.6 4.1 2.09 5.03 609

32 3.10 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR SEA 33.8 4.2 2.11 4.12 589

33 3.10 Brandon Marshall WR DEN 33.9 5.0 2.08 5.03 512

34 3.11 Wes Welker WR NE 34.6 4.5 2.10 4.12 633

35 3.12 Kevin Smith RB DET 35.6 5.6 2.09 5.08 726

36 4.01 Reggie Bush RB NO 36.9 6.9 2.06 5.11 508

 

[Rylenol]

In 2008 the Saints attempted close to 400 rushes. In 2006, with Deuce as the clear cut 1st and 2nd down back they ran the ball 472 times. Given that Pierre has gained a bit of muscle and looks to be in line for the majority of the rushing carries, much like Deuce was, I don't think it's out of the question to see him carry a load in between 230-250 touches.

If it all pans out like this I envision him outproducing guys like K Smith, Grant and even Barber. Heck, with 230 + touches and goalline work for the Saints I think Thomas' stat line could look something like this: 245 carries (last year he got 129) for 1250 yds rush (rushed for 625 last year so this would be double his rushing total) 9 + TDs (had 9 TDs in 2008). Keep in mind that Thomas only started 5 games last year and managed to put up pretty spectacular numbers. With an increased workload I think 1400 + rushing yards and 12+ TDs isn't out of the question at all. Pierre had 31 receptions for 240 something receiving yards, not shabby for playing less than half the season. Obviously Reggie is the receiving threat our of the backfield but somewhere between 35-40 receptions seems realistic for Thomas.

What do you all think?

 

[Banger]

In 2008 the Saints attempted close to 400 rushes. In 2006, with Deuce as the clear cut 1st and 2nd down back they ran the ball 472 times. Given that Pierre has gained a bit of muscle and looks to be in line for the majority of the rushing carries, much like Deuce was, I don't think it's out of the question to see him carry a load in between 230-250 touches. If it all pans out like this I envision him outproducing guys like K Smith, Grant and even Barber. Heck, with 230 + touches and goalline work for the Saints I think Thomas' stat line could look something like this: 245 carries (last year he got 129) for 1250 yds rush (rushed for 625 last year so this would be double his rushing total) 9 + TDs (had 9 TDs in 2008). Keep in mind that Thomas only started 5 games last year and managed to put up pretty spectacular numbers. With an increased workload I think 1400 + rushing yards and 12+ TDs isn't out of the question at all. Pierre had 31 receptions for 240 something receiving yards, not shabby for playing less than half the season. Obviously Reggie is the receiving threat our of the backfield but somewhere between 35-40 receptions seems realistic for Thomas.What do you all think?

I think his ADP will steadily rise and we closer to the start of the season. On the Saints offense if he's getting the lionshare of the carries I don't see why he wouldn't be move productive than Ronnie Brown and you can get him a bit cheaper. He could be a real steal and is on my radar big time.

 

[doubletrouble]

I think this is the type of news we've been waiting for regarding the RB starter in NO.

Is this going to propel Thomas into the 2nd round instead of the later part of the 3rd, early 4th?

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2009/...ierre-thomas-is

Who else do they have

 

[Tanner9919]

I think this is about 2 dozen guys.

In a 12 team ppr, how many do you think pierre beats out in the draft -- not in production?

1 1.01 Adrian Peterson RB MIN 1.4 0.7 1.01 1.05 673

2 1.03 Matt Forte RB CHI 2.7 1.1 1.01 1.07 537

3 1.03 Michael Turner RB ATL 3.2 1.2 1.01 1.08 469

4 1.04 Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC 3.7 1.2 1.01 1.09 751

5 1.07 Steven Jackson RB STL 6.5 2.0 1.02 2.05 478

6 1.07 Chris Johnson RB TEN 7.1 2.2 1.01 2.04 697

7 1.07 Brian Westbrook RB PHI 7.4 2.5 1.01 2.06 506

8 1.08 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD 8.3 2.5 1.01 2.07 639

9 1.09 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 8.8 2.3 1.02 2.04 726

10 1.11 Deangelo Williams RB CAR 10.5 3.3 1.01 2.09 663

11 1.11 Andre Johnson WR HOU 11.2 2.5 1.04 2.09 751

12 1.12 Steve Slaton RB HOU 11.9 3.1 1.03 2.09 717

13 1.12 Randy Moss WR NE 12.3 2.9 1.04 2.11 762

14 2.02 Frank Gore RB SF 14.0 3.1 1.05 2.10 698

15 2.04 Calvin Johnson WR DET 15.7 2.7 1.08 3.07 801

16 2.05 Clinton Portis RB WAS 16.6 3.0 1.08 3.03 554

17 2.05 Drew Brees QB NO 16.8 4.8 1.04 3.06 537

18 2.06 Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 17.6 3.3 1.08 3.04 667

19 2.07 Reggie Wayne WR IND 18.9 3.0 1.11 3.05 747

20 2.07 Tom Brady QB NE 19.0 6.5 1.02 3.10 626

21 2.08 Marion Barber RB DAL 19.7 3.7 1.10 3.09 610

22 2.11 Roddy White WR ATL 22.6 3.2 2.02 3.11 596

23 2.11 Steve Smith WR CAR 22.8 3.0 2.02 3.09 667

here was the next bunch

24 3.01 Greg Jennings WR GB 24.7 3.9 2.02 4.05 765

25 3.01 Marques Colston WR NO 25.1 3.7 2.03 3.12 568

26 3.02 Anquan Boldin WR ARI 26.4 3.6 2.05 4.03 664

27 3.03 Peyton Manning QB IND 27.4 4.6 2.03 4.06 521

28 3.06 Ronnie Brown RB MIA 29.6 5.4 2.03 4.10 672

29 3.06 Dwayne Bowe WR KC 30.4 3.4 2.10 4.08 520

30 3.07 Ryan Grant RB GB 31.4 5.4 2.05 4.12 527

31 3.08 Terrell Owens WR BUF 31.6 4.1 2.09 5.03 609

32 3.10 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR SEA 33.8 4.2 2.11 4.12 589

33 3.10 Brandon Marshall WR DEN 33.9 5.0 2.08 5.03 512

34 3.11 Wes Welker WR NE 34.6 4.5 2.10 4.12 633

35 3.12 Kevin Smith RB DET 35.6 5.6 2.09 5.08 726

36 4.01 Reggie Bush RB NO 36.9 6.9 2.06 5.11 508

not sure what you're asking, do I think he'll go sooner in a draft than some of these players?yes..

I'll take him over T.O., Kevin Smith, Reggie Bush, Colston, Gore, Tomlinson, Westbrook,Steven Jackson, TJ Housh, Ryan Grant.

T.O. is too old,too slow, and plays for a lousy offensive team

Grant is a never-has-been-never-will-be

Kevin Smith is good, but the Lions are not going too win many games.

Bush is injury prone, so is Colston who is already dinged up..

Gore is injury prone and plays on a lousy offensive team..

Tomlinson is a shell of his former self, he's done.put a fork in him...Tomlinson is now what Edge was in Az..a decent RB but nothing great..

Steven Jackson barely scrapes 1000 yards each season,doesn't score many TDs either..misses a boatload of games, plays for a lousy team on both sides of the ball,with a first time OC , first time HC, and no talent on either side of the ball. Not many RB's have gone to the Pro Bowl while playing for a 5-11 ball club, and 5 wins might be too kind for the Rams..

TJ Housh is/was a good WR only b/c of Chad Johnson and Palmer..he's not a #1 WR..

Westbrook is already hurt..

Pierre Thomas plays in one of the most wide-opened offenses in the NFL...they have too many offensive targets to list...hard to stop the run when you're playing against top-notch talent at the other skill positions..

I'd be shocked if Thomas didn't rush for 1300+ yards, 13+ TDs..

he avg'd 4.8 per clip last season...scored 9 rush tds, 3 rec tds...N.O. finished 26th in att, 28th in rush yards, yet finished 5th in rush TDs. Deuece is gone. Bush has never had more than 157 carries in a single season. Thomas started only 5 games, and still recorded 625,9td,31 rec,3 rec tds, 4.8 avg..

last 3 seasons, N.O has recorded

472 rush attempts

392 rush attempts

398 rush attempts

avg=420.6

factoring in Bush's avg of 139.3 rushes per year along with this 420.6 avg att/yr,

that'll leave 281.3 carries to go to Thomas, et al.

I'll bet that Bush's rushing numbers go down even further than 139..they'll likely try him more at the WR/slot position...

I'll figure Thomas for at least 275 carries, if not more... 1320 yards/13 rush tds/40 rec, 4 rec tds..

this guy is going to be a beast this season..

 

[Crippler]

Pure Koolaid.

 

[Manster]

not too much of a surprise here. the saints need to officially call reggie a wr.

thomas could be an interesting prospect this yr. as some have said, his stock will steadily rise as the season nears. especially with statements like brees'.

 

[MAC_32]

I hope this is still the talk come August, I'd like to trade him at a premium price and he's not garnering it now because others seem skeptical whether the Aints are bringing someone else in or not. I liked what I've seen from him dating back to college and think he'll do well, but if you're rebuilding like I am selling him may be the best move. With all of this Beanie talk I think they're going to bring in another RB next offseason unless Bush stays healthy, which seems about as likely as the Browns making the playoffs.

 

[Warhogs]

In 2008 the Saints attempted close to 400 rushes. In 2006, with Deuce as the clear cut 1st and 2nd down back they ran the ball 472 times. Given that Pierre has gained a bit of muscle and looks to be in line for the majority of the rushing carries, much like Deuce was, I don't think it's out of the question to see him carry a load in between 230-250 touches. If it all pans out like this I envision him outproducing guys like K Smith, Grant and even Barber. Heck, with 230 + touches and goalline work for the Saints I think Thomas' stat line could look something like this: 245 carries (last year he got 129) for 1250 yds rush (rushed for 625 last year so this would be double his rushing total) 9 + TDs (had 9 TDs in 2008). Keep in mind that Thomas only started 5 games last year and managed to put up pretty spectacular numbers. With an increased workload I think 1400 + rushing yards and 12+ TDs isn't out of the question at all. Pierre had 31 receptions for 240 something receiving yards, not shabby for playing less than half the season. Obviously Reggie is the receiving threat our of the backfield but somewhere between 35-40 receptions seems realistic for Thomas.What do you all think?

245 carries for 1250 yards works out to 5.1 yards per carry. I'm not saying that is not possible but that is a pretty ambitious stat line. I think you may be using too high a YPC in your prognostications.

 

[Buffaloes]

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

 

[TaxMan]

I think this is about 2 dozen guys.

In a 12 team ppr, how many do you think pierre beats out in the draft -- not in production?

1 1.01 Adrian Peterson RB MIN 1.4 0.7 1.01 1.05 673

2 1.03 Matt Forte RB CHI 2.7 1.1 1.01 1.07 537

3 1.03 Michael Turner RB ATL 3.2 1.2 1.01 1.08 469

4 1.04 Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC 3.7 1.2 1.01 1.09 751

5 1.07 Steven Jackson RB STL 6.5 2.0 1.02 2.05 478

6 1.07 Chris Johnson RB TEN 7.1 2.2 1.01 2.04 697

7 1.07 Brian Westbrook RB PHI 7.4 2.5 1.01 2.06 506

8 1.08 LaDainian Tomlinson RB SD 8.3 2.5 1.01 2.07 639

9 1.09 Larry Fitzgerald WR ARI 8.8 2.3 1.02 2.04 726

10 1.11 Deangelo Williams RB CAR 10.5 3.3 1.01 2.09 663

11 1.11 Andre Johnson WR HOU 11.2 2.5 1.04 2.09 751

12 1.12 Steve Slaton RB HOU 11.9 3.1 1.03 2.09 717

13 1.12 Randy Moss WR NE 12.3 2.9 1.04 2.11 762

14 2.02 Frank Gore RB SF 14.0 3.1 1.05 2.10 698

15 2.04 Calvin Johnson WR DET 15.7 2.7 1.08 3.07 801

16 2.05 Clinton Portis RB WAS 16.6 3.0 1.08 3.03 554

17 2.05 Drew Brees QB NO 16.8 4.8 1.04 3.06 537

18 2.06 Brandon Jacobs RB NYG 17.6 3.3 1.08 3.04 667

19 2.07 Reggie Wayne WR IND 18.9 3.0 1.11 3.05 747

20 2.07 Tom Brady QB NE 19.0 6.5 1.02 3.10 626

21 2.08 Marion Barber RB DAL 19.7 3.7 1.10 3.09 610

22 2.11 Roddy White WR ATL 22.6 3.2 2.02 3.11 596

23 2.11 Steve Smith WR CAR 22.8 3.0 2.02 3.09 667

here was the next bunch

24 3.01 Greg Jennings WR GB 24.7 3.9 2.02 4.05 765

25 3.01 Marques Colston WR NO 25.1 3.7 2.03 3.12 568

26 3.02 Anquan Boldin WR ARI 26.4 3.6 2.05 4.03 664

27 3.03 Peyton Manning QB IND 27.4 4.6 2.03 4.06 521

28 3.06 Ronnie Brown RB MIA 29.6 5.4 2.03 4.10 672

29 3.06 Dwayne Bowe WR KC 30.4 3.4 2.10 4.08 520

30 3.07 Ryan Grant RB GB 31.4 5.4 2.05 4.12 527

31 3.08 Terrell Owens WR BUF 31.6 4.1 2.09 5.03 609

32 3.10 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR SEA 33.8 4.2 2.11 4.12 589

33 3.10 Brandon Marshall WR DEN 33.9 5.0 2.08 5.03 512

34 3.11 Wes Welker WR NE 34.6 4.5 2.10 4.12 633

35 3.12 Kevin Smith RB DET 35.6 5.6 2.09 5.08 726

36 4.01 Reggie Bush RB NO 36.9 6.9 2.06 5.11 508

not sure what you're asking, do I think he'll go sooner in a draft than some of these players?yes..

I'll take him over T.O., Kevin Smith, Reggie Bush, Colston, Gore, Tomlinson, Westbrook,Steven Jackson, TJ Housh, Ryan Grant.

T.O. is too old,too slow, and plays for a lousy offensive team

Grant is a never-has-been-never-will-be

Kevin Smith is good, but the Lions are not going too win many games.

Bush is injury prone, so is Colston who is already dinged up..

Gore is injury prone and plays on a lousy offensive team..

Tomlinson is a shell of his former self, he's done.put a fork in him...Tomlinson is now what Edge was in Az..a decent RB but nothing great..

Steven Jackson barely scrapes 1000 yards each season,doesn't score many TDs either..misses a boatload of games, plays for a lousy team on both sides of the ball,with a first time OC , first time HC, and no talent on either side of the ball. Not many RB's have gone to the Pro Bowl while playing for a 5-11 ball club, and 5 wins might be too kind for the Rams..

TJ Housh is/was a good WR only b/c of Chad Johnson and Palmer..he's not a #1 WR..

Westbrook is already hurt..

Pierre Thomas plays in one of the most wide-opened offenses in the NFL...they have too many offensive targets to list...hard to stop the run when you're playing against top-notch talent at the other skill positions..

I'd be shocked if Thomas didn't rush for 1300+ yards, 13+ TDs..

he avg'd 4.8 per clip last season...scored 9 rush tds, 3 rec tds...N.O. finished 26th in att, 28th in rush yards, yet finished 5th in rush TDs. Deuece is gone. Bush has never had more than 157 carries in a single season. Thomas started only 5 games, and still recorded 625,9td,31 rec,3 rec tds, 4.8 avg..

last 3 seasons, N.O has recorded

472 rush attempts

392 rush attempts

398 rush attempts

avg=420.6

factoring in Bush's avg of 139.3 rushes per year along with this 420.6 avg att/yr,

that'll leave 281.3 carries to go to Thomas, et al.

I'll bet that Bush's rushing numbers go down even further than 139..they'll likely try him more at the WR/slot position...

I'll figure Thomas for at least 275 carries, if not more... 1320 yards/13 rush tds/40 rec, 4 rec tds..

this guy is going to be a beast this season..

those rushing attempts include QB runs and other RBs on the roster.I think 400 rushes +/- 10 would be a reasonable expectation this year.

I give 40 rushes to Brees and other RBs. 360 to split up between Bush and PT. 165 to Bush, 195-200 for Pierre.

 

[Rylenol]

In 2008 the Saints attempted close to 400 rushes. In 2006, with Deuce as the clear cut 1st and 2nd down back they ran the ball 472 times. Given that Pierre has gained a bit of muscle and looks to be in line for the majority of the rushing carries, much like Deuce was, I don't think it's out of the question to see him carry a load in between 230-250 touches. If it all pans out like this I envision him outproducing guys like K Smith, Grant and even Barber. Heck, with 230 + touches and goalline work for the Saints I think Thomas' stat line could look something like this: 245 carries (last year he got 129) for 1250 yds rush (rushed for 625 last year so this would be double his rushing total) 9 + TDs (had 9 TDs in 2008). Keep in mind that Thomas only started 5 games last year and managed to put up pretty spectacular numbers. With an increased workload I think 1400 + rushing yards and 12+ TDs isn't out of the question at all. Pierre had 31 receptions for 240 something receiving yards, not shabby for playing less than half the season. Obviously Reggie is the receiving threat our of the backfield but somewhere between 35-40 receptions seems realistic for Thomas.What do you all think?

245 carries for 1250 yards works out to 5.1 yards per carry. I'm not saying that is not possible but that is a pretty ambitious stat line. I think you may be using too high a YPC in your prognostications.

I'm not saying anything that everyone else here doesn't already know but obviously 230-240 is on the lowside for an RB1. However, those carries have increased value as touches on the Saints have significantly more value than on most other teams (i.e. Joseph Addai's 2006 and 2007 season = In 2006, 226 carries for close to 1100 yds rushing 7 TDs , 40 receptions for 325 / In 2007, 261 carries for 1072 yds and 12 TDs, 41 rec for 364 yds) Crazy how he had about 30 less carries in 06 and managed to surpass his 07 yardage. I apologize for my laziness, I threw out 1250 because it was exactly double what he put up last year. My point is that he should easily break 1200 yds and more importantly put up the 10+ TDs to make up for his lack of touches and overall yardage (again, I think his yardage will be solid)

 

[george]

 

[mggoilers]

Previous poster said it, "Who else do they have?"

Pierre is healthy, and Bush is recovering.

Brees appreciates Thomas being there, and knows he might need him. Also, this might motivate Bush a bit.

NO is a pass first team, but Thomas and Bush have both proven to be effective in their roles when on the field.

 

[Bill S]

Thomas should see about 20 touches a game. He is the RB1 and Bush is unique player that I would classify as a hyrbrid WR/RB. Bush is still absolute gold in PPR formats and he is being undervalued this year.

I would classify both Thomas and Bush as avergae RB2s in a standard format and Bush as an RB1 in PPR.

 

[Truman]

Bush is apparently back to full health.

The Saints' nearly two hours of drills was highlighted by the return of running back Reggie Bush and receiver Marques Colston.

Bush and Colston had offseason knee surgery. Bush appeared to be fully recovered during practice, as he worked with the first-team offense and returned punts.

Colston did individual drills, but did not work in the full team portion of practice. Both players did take in extra work following the morning session, as Colston caught passes from quarterback Drew Brees and Bush caught punts.

http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/06/je...e_field_as.html

 

[jwb]

You look at his last half of 08, and you can't help but be awed by his numbers. He was absolutely studly. He's not a one or two game wonder - he's for real, and could have a monster year.

 

[two_dollars]

Count me as another who thinks Thomas will end up over rated and drafted too high.

 

[Adebisi]

Count me as another who thinks Thomas will end up over rated and drafted too high.

That's a pretty good synopsis of Reggie Bush's career right now.

 

[ratbast]

I drafted him last year and am keeping him in a 5 keeper. Im pretty pumped. He is either last year's Grant or last year's Thomas. Hopefully he holds up. I feel confident investing in the idea that Bush will get hurt.

 

[Blackjacks]

When Reggie has been healthy the Saints offense has looked great and he has put up serious #'s for fantasy owners.

As long as Reggie is healthy he will get more touches (maybe not carries) but touches than Pierre.

If Bush goes down due to injur, like he has in the past, Thomas will be a top 5 rb down the stretch.

I'd have to say he is a risky pick if you draft him int he first 2 rounds and infront of Jackson, Gore and Tomlinson is just silly

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

When Reggie has been healthy the Saints offense has looked great and he has put up serious #'s for fantasy owners.

As long as Reggie is healthy he will get more touches (maybe not carries) but touches than Pierre.

If Bush goes down due to injur, like he has in the past, Thomas will be a top 5 rb down the stretch.

I'd have to say he is a risky pick if you draft him int he first 2 rounds and infront of Jackson, Gore and Tomlinson is just silly

when bush was white hot he toched the ball 118x'(+ however many punt returns)s in the first 6games(got hurt in game 7). well since Pierre is gonna have a bigger role and Reggie cannot stay healthy(which u did state) there is ZERO chance he'll have more touches. reggie's injuries are no longer ifs but when now. what i don't get is that if Reggie is such a weapon in the passing game why does Pierre have a better yards per reception?i don't get why there would be any question on who to play more. Pierre is a better running RB, is a better blocking RB, is damn effective himself in the passing game. i won't say he's more of a threat but obviously he's effective. why not just find a way to have both on the field more and and limit Reggie's touches on offense to keep him healthy and explosive when needed on offense and punt returns. christ otherwise Reggie's knees will only last 2more seasons. no matter how hard u train and declare yourself 100% one's knee can only take so much punishment and surgery(especially of the major kind).

 

[two_dollars]

Count me as another who thinks Thomas will end up over rated and drafted too high.

That's a pretty good synopsis of Reggie Bush's career right now.

who woulda thought the texans knew what they were doing at 1.1??

 

[Mark Wimer]

I really see this situation as a 1A/1B type situation like what the Panthers managed to do last year with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. Bush = 1A and Thomas = 1B (Bush outproduces Thomas significantly in PPR leagues, IMO).

In the end, I think that Thomas has an outside shot at 1,100 yards (combined) with mid-to-high single digit TDs (800-900 yards rushing, 6-7 rushing TDs; ~200 yards receiving, 1-2 receiving TDs). His numbers will improve from 2008, but I think he's a borderline RB2 in most formats - a really solid RB3/flex option and great injury insurance for Bush, but not quite a RB2. I just don't see the Saints generating enough running back touches for 2 of their running backs to land in the top 24.

 

[tdmills]

I really see this situation as a 1A/1B type situation like what the Panthers managed to do last year with DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart. Bush = 1A and Thomas = 1B (Bush outproduces Thomas significantly in PPR leagues, IMO). In the end, I think that Thomas has an outside shot at 1,100 yards (combined) with mid-to-high single digit TDs (800-900 yards rushing, 6-7 rushing TDs; ~200 yards receiving, 1-2 receiving TDs). His numbers will improve from 2008, but I think he's a borderline RB2 in most formats - a really solid RB3/flex option and great injury insurance for Bush, but not quite a RB2. I just don't see the Saints generating enough running back touches for 2 of their running backs to land in the top 24.

How do his TD's go down without McAllister and having proved himself?

 

[lyon812]

I think the main thing that hurts Thomas with Bush around is that he'll get a smaller share of the passing game. If you take the latter half of 2008 and subtract his receptions, he basically puts up 15-80/td each week:

16-88-1

15-87-2

11-34

16-102-1

22-87-1

13-77-1

I don't think you can expect more than that, because the Saints offensive philosophy isn't going to change.

Thus, while I'm a big fan of Thomas, I think drafting him high and expecting more than that 15-80-1 is really setting yourself up for disappointment.

 

[brednbuddah]

nothing more than Brees trying to light a fire under Bush's ###.

 

[LTsharks]

I think the main thing that hurts Thomas with Bush around is that he'll get a smaller share of the passing game. If you take the latter half of 2008 and subtract his receptions, he basically puts up 15-80/td each week:16-88-115-87-211-3416-102-122-87-113-77-1I don't think you can expect more than that, because the Saints offensive philosophy isn't going to change. Thus, while I'm a big fan of Thomas, I think drafting him high and expecting more than that 15-80-1 is really setting yourself up for disappointment.

You realize that last year that would be RB6 overall and RB9 in ppg?I wouldn't be disappointed, I would be thrilled.

 

[Adebisi]

Count me as another who thinks Thomas will end up over rated and drafted too high.

That's a pretty good synopsis of Reggie Bush's career right now.

who woulda thought the texans knew what they were doing at 1.1??

Was an easy call if you graded out the DE as high as the RB, if not higher. Regardless of which NFL team had the pick. Too many people buy into hype. I've also been a believer in Thomas all along.

 

[stp-d]

I'll take him over T.O., Kevin Smith, Reggie Bush, Colston, Gore, Tomlinson, Westbrook,Steven Jackson, TJ Housh, Ryan Grant.

wow, i like Pierre alot, i think he's now worthy of a 3rd rd selection in most formats, but over Gore & SJAX (maybe Colston) in a Dynasty is a real statement, redraft most of the list is just crazy...

 

[Traders2001]

Well i am not so sure about that .

Thomas is the goal line and #1 RB ( Bush is nt a RB he is some kind of a hybrid player ) on the best offense in Football , he could easily give you top 3 scoring this season.

S Jax is injury prone on one of the worst offense in football and Gore is nt on a great offense either , i can see Thomas outperforming both of them .

 

[NFLFan80]

Not surprised. I have heard Thomas worked really hard over the off-season and has gotten a lot bigger and better. He was impressive last year when McAlister and Bush went down. Good to see he is getting another chance. Can we officially lable Reggie Bush a WR now?

 

[drfeelgood]

I think Thomas and Bush could both have nice seasons. It's hard to predict which one will be the most productive fantasy wise. I think Thomas is the safer bet as far as staying healthy all season goes, but if Bush stays healthy, he can thrive in that pass happy offense.

 

[buck naked]

nothing more than Brees trying to light a fire under Bush's ###.

So a fire under his ### will help Bush's knees heal more quickly?That will help Bush actually see and hit the hole more quickly?That will help Bush stay injury free?

 

[Traders2001]

nothing more than Brees trying to light a fire under Bush's ###.

So a fire under his ### will help Bush's knees heal more quickly?That will help Bush actually see and hit the hole more quickly?That will help Bush stay injury free?

Bush has nt really been a RB since he got into the league ( They had Deuce and now Thomas ) .So nothing will change , Pierre Thomas takes Deuce's role and since he is also a great receiver he will end up taking some third down away from Bush .To me Bush is worthless , unless he is a WR .

 

[Buffaloes]

nothing more than Brees trying to light a fire under Bush's ###.

So a fire under his ### will help Bush's knees heal more quickly?That will help Bush actually see and hit the hole more quickly?That will help Bush stay injury free?

Bush has nt really been a RB since he got into the league ( They had Deuce and now Thomas ) .So nothing will change , Pierre Thomas takes Deuce's role and since he is also a great receiver he will end up taking some third down away from Bush .To me Bush is worthless , unless he is a WR .

He's worth quite a bit in PPR leagues and leagues that reward points for KR/PR too.

 

[zed2283]

I think Thomas and Bush could both have nice seasons. It's hard to predict which one will be the most productive fantasy wise. I think Thomas is the safer bet as far as staying healthy all season goes, but if Bush stays healthy, he can thrive in that pass happy offense.

As of right now I plan to start both of them in my dynasty league, with Mr. Gore on the bench.

 

[Tigerbot Hesh]

I think the main thing that hurts Thomas with Bush around is that he'll get a smaller share of the passing game. If you take the latter half of 2008 and subtract his receptions, he basically puts up 15-80/td each week:16-88-115-87-211-3416-102-122-87-113-77-1I don't think you can expect more than that, because the Saints offensive philosophy isn't going to change. Thus, while I'm a big fan of Thomas, I think drafting him high and expecting more than that 15-80-1 is really setting yourself up for disappointment.

You realize that last year that would be RB6 overall and RB9 in ppg?I wouldn't be disappointed, I would be thrilled.

I'd be ga-ga to get 15-80-1 each week from Thomas.