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Pierre Thomas vs Sammy Morris (1 Viewer)

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ANyone have any comments on who holds better value this year? Seems like Deuce is done, and Pierre is the #2 (AT LEAST FOR NOW). Sammy had more carries than Maroney in week 1, but who knows what Belichek will do each week. Maroney could have 25 carries.

I think both of these guys are interesting waiver wire pickups. Who should owners grab in your opinion?

 
I really like Sammy Morris, I had him last year until his sternum injury and I drafted him this year in the 14th round. All this guy does is get double digits every time I insert him in the lineup. It's not flashy, but at the end of the day I love his stat line.

 
I just picked up Pierre in two leagues. He was a solid performer when he got the rock last year. With Colston out the Saints might have to look for a little more balance. Their remaining wideouts are average at best even with Brees. It will be interesting to see if the Pats run more now and if they do what the split between Maroni and Sammy will be. The Pats still have a very favorable schedule but I think Maroni will be the man. As long as Maroni is on the field and Deuce is on the sidelines I vote for Pierre.

 
fly19382 said:
I just picked up Pierre in two leagues. He was a solid performer when he got the rock last year. With Colston out the Saints might have to look for a little more balance. Their remaining wideouts are average at best even with Brees. It will be interesting to see if the Pats run more now and if they do what the split between Maroni and Sammy will be. The Pats still have a very favorable schedule but I think Maroni will be the man. As long as Maroni is on the field and Deuce is on the sidelines I vote for Pierre.
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yummm, Maroni and cheese.......
 
wasn't last week about the upside for thomas unless bush goes down? maybe a bit more with colston out? deuce didn't play last weekend and thomas lead the team in rushing. and it all added up to a respectable but unspectacular statline. i ask this as a thomas owner.

 
Lot of good talk here.

I agree that the NE run game is very unpredictable. And, Faulk and Jordan may be worked into the mix more and more.

All that is hard to predict about NO is Deuce. His coach called him after the game and assured him he will be involved in the offense.

I'm looking at having to drop either Andre Hall or Tim Hightower to pick up one of these guys. Worth it or not?

 
Here's a wirite up from Fantasy Sharks....

Running Backs, New England

This seems like as good a place to discuss this situation as any. Simply put, there are too many guys in the mix here for anyone to put up enough fantasy numbers to warrant consideration for your starting lineup, and that includes Laurence Maroney. Sammy Morris and Maroney got equal time on the ground (10 carries), with Morris also catching five passes. LaMont Jordan was on the field quite a bit, and with Kevin Faulk back in week two from suspension, that muddles things even more. Yes, the Patriots will be more conservative, and they will be running the ball more. Unfortunately, Bill Belichick has shown in the past that he'll rotate as many guys as possible through the position, virtually ruining the fantasy value of all of them. Forced to choose, I'd stash Sammy Morris since he's more established in the system and is involved in the passing game, but if possible, look elsewhere and save yourself the frustration.

 
Deuce said:
Lot of good talk here.

I agree that the NE run game is very unpredictable. And, Faulk and Jordan may be worked into the mix more and more.

All that is hard to predict about NO is Deuce. His coach called him after the game and assured him he will be involved in the offense.

I'm looking at having to drop either Andre Hall or Tim Hightower to pick up one of these guys. Worth it or not?
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Assistant Coach Forum perhaps??
 
As of today, neither Thomas nor Morris are backups. They are primary committee members.

Which is better is a function of what you think will happen to each of those committees.

So take a guess on how much McAllister is going to be able to contribute, and take a guess at how much Belichick will involve Jordan.

Good luck with that.

My guesses are that both will perform at a pace about 80-85% of last year's pre-injury Morris numbers.

 
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From KFFL.com...

Saints | McAllister practices Thursday

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:29:24 -0700

Larry Holder, of the Biloxi Sun-Herald, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister (knee) fully participated in practice Thursday, Sept. 11.

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Saints | McAllister still has role with team

Tue, 9 Sep 2008 07:56:16 -0700

Mike Triplett, of The Times-Picayune, reports New Orleans Saints RB Deuce McAllister remains in the team's plans, even though he did not play a snap in Week 1. "I called (McAllister) last night at about nine o'clock and said, 'Just make sure and understand that you're in the plans here,' " head coach Sean Payton said. "I think that any time you have a serious injury like he's had and (cornerback) Mike (McKenzie) has had, it's ongoing, slow improvement. So we'll measure that each week, and we'll know when the time's right."

 
Morris get a steady diet of carries last year in Belichek's offense last year until the injury. he gets decent opportunities with the receptions as well. last year it was about 20 touches a game. i think maroney will average about 20 touches, too, but exclusively as rushing attempts. so if your RBs get PPR then Morris makes sense. i think jordan is strictly insurance for morris should he fall to injury.

pierre's situation is too muddled this season.

i look at it like this: re-draft? morris. dynasty? thomas.

 
I have been wondering now that Colston is out, if Reggie plays even more of a hybrid WR type role leaving Thomas with more opportunites to carry.

 
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Well, Pierre got dropped for Sammy Morris in one of my leagues.

I was all over dropping Kenny Watson for Morris... but I didn't have a high enough waiver priority to land him.

Pierre cleared waivers and I begrudgingly dropped Watson for him after listening to some prognosticators prognosticate on this weeks games.

I don't think Deuce has enough in the tank to relegate Thomas to the bench... but I think he could get GL touches.... although the Saints will probably pass down there to Shockey or someone anyway.

 
My league has tight roster limits so I dropped Maurice Morris for Thomas. Just thought there was more upside with Thomas as long as Deuce was out. Our league has a WW order and a team ahead of me picked up Sammy Morris so I never had a shot at him. I had him and Thomas ranked pretty equally but if push came to shove I would've given Thomas a very slight edge because I think he has more upside in a more potent offense.

 
Deuce said:
ANyone have any comments on who holds better value this year? Seems like Deuce is done, and Pierre is the #2 (AT LEAST FOR NOW). Sammy had more carries than Maroney in week 1, but who knows what Belichek will do each week. Maroney could have 25 carries.I think both of these guys are interesting waiver wire pickups. Who should owners grab in your opinion?
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I've never seen these guys on a waiver wire. What kind of leagues do you guys play in?
 
bcr8f said:
Deuce said:
ANyone have any comments on who holds better value this year? Seems like Deuce is done, and Pierre is the #2 (AT LEAST FOR NOW). Sammy had more carries than Maroney in week 1, but who knows what Belichek will do each week. Maroney could have 25 carries.I think both of these guys are interesting waiver wire pickups. Who should owners grab in your opinion?
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I've never seen these guys on a waiver wire. What kind of leagues do you guys play in?
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Don't start. It's a worthwhile discussion.
 
Deuce said:
I decided to drop Hightower for Morris, after racking my brain about it for hours.
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I think you made the right call. Hightower is a goalline back with upside, but Morris is involved in his offense more. You might lose on TDs, but Morris will rack up some decent yards and catches that Hightower won't...
 
i have the same exact question:

there are rumors now that mcallister may slowly get worked back into the offense. i think the steckler injury is forcing payton to take a second look at what he's got on the sideline. i'm leaning more to morris because of the consistency thing (10-15 touches per game) and the likelihood that the pats will run a more conservative offense with cassel at QB. thomas looks like the goalline guy, but that can change with mcallister in the mix and the fact that he couldn't convert a critical 3rd and 1 last week.

 
Although I enjoy the upside of Thomas I like the consistency of Morris when he is healthy if you are trying to win right now. If you know Morris will be in the game at this point I would lean to Morris. He always seems to find the end zone some how or some way every other game he plays in. I think his average is 50 to 75 yards rushing and receiving in any given game with the potential for at least 1 touchdown.

If you are looking at a bye week filler I go with Sammy Morris if you are trying to win right now. If you already have your bye week covered go for the homerun and hope that Thomas fills the void McAllister has created. I say this with the caveat that Mendenhall, R never saw the light of day behind Thomas in Illinois while riding the pine. Mendenhall in college was a benchwarmer when Thomas was there.

Problem is scenario dictates this one versus talent and age, unless you are building a team now for a dynasty format.

 
Johnny Ice said:
I really like Sammy Morris, I had him last year until his sternum injury and I drafted him this year in the 14th round. All this guy does is get double digits every time I insert him in the lineup. It's not flashy, but at the end of the day I love his stat line.
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I do too and he's more a Belichick kind of player. If he can stay healthy he may be a little better than Thomas but they are close.
 
Thomas should have more consistent playing time. I'd stick with the kid.

I don't like the NE running game for fantasy purposes. Too many moving parts and guessing which guy gets the carries and GL touches is a bit beyond my prognostication skills.

 
Picked up Pierre last week. Just dropped him for Morris today. I may very well end up grabbing Pierre again in a week or two. But, Morris is a viable starter this week. Pierre is not. Just thinking short term here.

 
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HoTnickZ said:
I think it will be Pierre, and it won't be close.
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You think Pierre can be Deuce from 2-3 years ago?
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I think he can, but it's a question of whether the Saints give him the reigns.I also think Sammy is in a mess of a situation and there's already been whispers of lessening his role. NE might as well be Denver but with less offensive firepower which isn't exactly a good thing for RBBC.
 
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How do you guys think a guy like A. Hall (DEN) compares to a guy like P. Thomas? Both in RBBC situations. who has more upside in your opinion?

 
koreansteve said:
How do you guys think a guy like A. Hall (DEN) compares to a guy like P. Thomas? Both in RBBC situations. who has more upside in your opinion?
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Torain will be back in the equation... and Pittman is currently getting the goalline looks. Thats not good for Hall or Young. Thomas is the goalline option, currently, and seems to have more fantasy potential. This year and next.
 
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