pantherclub
Footballguy
Fox is pretty much giving the franchise and the fans the finger with this move. Why not see what you have on your roster?
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Pike....errrrr......St.Pierre has to be a upgrade for Steve Smith (1 Viewer)
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phillyphan07
Footballguy
It goes to show you how important the backup QB is. The Panthers were 12-4 in 2008 before Delhomme just imploded in the playoffs against Arizona and he was never the same. Clearly the GM and HC were caught off-guard with no real backup plan and thats going to cost them their jobs. Anyway, I dropped smith in a 15-man roster TD heavy league too.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I'm really hoping Edwards gets some time. A crappy qb with wr eligibility would be awesome.
pantherclub
Footballguy
I am hoping the Panthers just lose out. This season has been a total cluster****. From free agency, to the draft and now the regular season its been one of the worst seasons to date. I am just praying we are in position to get Luck and then be done with the qb position for 10 years.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I'm guessing he'd rather try to win games then see what the Panthers 2011/2012 coach is going to have to work with..And I think the franchise has already given him the finger based on how the team has been managed this season.. He really hasn't had much to work with. Every move they've made (or lack of move made) has been a move to save money..
pantherclub
Footballguy
Good point, but I dont see how a journeyman qb that has been on the roster for 6 days is a better chance then someone who has been with the team since training camp. Dont get me wrong I hope they lose out but I think it is obvious what Fox is trying to do.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
I agree with you. Jerry Richardson basically set Fox up to fail this season, and hasn't let him manage his players like he wants to.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
He is trying to win games.
The_Man
Footballguy
You think starting a QB who was literally a stay-at-home dad 10 days ago is trying to win games? To me, it looks like he's flipping the bird to the front office who will be showing him the door 6 weeks from now.
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
I wouldn't have said it if I didn't think it.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I don't know if Pike is ready for the job.. At least from what I hear, he isn't.... I'd think a guy who has been in the NFL a while is going to better understand the game (at NFL level) then a rookie.. Maybe Fox is just looking for a game manager so he can get back to running the ball.. I would think Pike is more apt to make mistakes then Pierre.. Based on experience..
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I'm thinking Fox is trying to bring down GM Hurney with him 
Andrew Garda
Moderator
SCORCHED EARTH BABY! BURN IT DOWN!I'm thinking Fox is trying to bring down GM Hurney with him
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
For his opponents.meanjoegreen said:
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Lot of silly things in this thread.
You guys really think Fox is entering Sunday trying to lose the game? If he is upset about the way things are going on behind the scenes then I am guessing he could just go and tell them with a few choice words what he really thinks.
It is ridiculous to think that starting St. Pierre over Pike is some sneaky move by Fox to stick it to the organization.
You guys really think Fox is entering Sunday trying to lose the game? If he is upset about the way things are going on behind the scenes then I am guessing he could just go and tell them with a few choice words what he really thinks.
It is ridiculous to think that starting St. Pierre over Pike is some sneaky move by Fox to stick it to the organization.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
The Hurney comment was pure sarcasm. Of course Fox isn't trying to lose the game intentionally.
The argument that Fox is starting St.Pierre over Pike to stick it to the organization makes no sense. The organization is doing everything in its power to tank this season and get the first pick so if Fox was starting St.Pierre out of spite it would actually work right into their plans.
I think the problem with Pike is that he ran a spread offense in college and I don't think the Panthers want to go spread so the adjustment for him would be big. St.Pierre's talent is a unknown but appearently he is a smart guy who proabably has already picked up the Panthers less than extensive play book and he has been in the league for years so mentally he shouldn't get as flustered as Pike.
Remember the Jaguars used Todd Bouman off the streets a a few weeks ago and while he wasn't great he wasn't horrible either. Granted he had more NFL experience than St.Pierre but he had to learn the offense quickly as well.
I think the problem with Pike is that he ran a spread offense in college and I don't think the Panthers want to go spread so the adjustment for him would be big. St.Pierre's talent is a unknown but appearently he is a smart guy who proabably has already picked up the Panthers less than extensive play book and he has been in the league for years so mentally he shouldn't get as flustered as Pike.
Remember the Jaguars used Todd Bouman off the streets a a few weeks ago and while he wasn't great he wasn't horrible either. Granted he had more NFL experience than St.Pierre but he had to learn the offense quickly as well.
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
Bouman had been with the Jaguars in 2007-2009.
Dexter Manley
Footballguy
Exactly. It makes no sense for Fox to do this move out of spite when he wants another HC job. What owner is going to want to hire a coach that intentionally torpedos his own team when things aren't going his way?
pantherclub
Footballguy
Apparently Tony Pike would have been worse.I have a feeling Panther fans will be thinking Fox indirectly this time next year for finally allowing us to draft a franchise qb. I think with Luck the Panthers can win 8-9 games next year. The defense will still be solid, the running game will be good and the line should be full strength.
Choke
Footballguy
Nope.It doesnt get worse then St Pierre. It may get "more likely to get hurt" or even "needs more time to learn the game and get up to speed"... but it doesnt get worse. Not as a QB in the NFL. St Pierre doesnt belong on that field.
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TommyGilmore
Footballguy
I am too lazy to look it up but I would hardly be shocked if Panther fans said the same thing about Clausen last year.
Football Jones
Footballguy
They're not going to draft a QB (unless it's in the middle-to-late rounds to develop a backup). The Panthers already have their QB of the future in Clausen. You can tell he's just at the beginning stages of getting his feet wet & relaxing a little bit. Clausen made tremendous strides last week & made some beautiful throws. Only the kind of throws a QB with his talent can make.
Just give the kid some time. Let him grow. At the end of next season, Carolina fans will be anxiously awaiting the 2012 season. Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB.
Just give the kid some time. Let him grow. At the end of next season, Carolina fans will be anxiously awaiting the 2012 season. Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB.
delusional
Footballguy
Uh.i dont tink the eagles are going to let vick gobut back on topic.....ravens -11? yes please lol
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Nope, not even close. Most Panther fans were not really thrilled to get Jimmy. I thought we could win 8-9 games with Moore but not too many fans I know were on cloud 9 to get Clausen. He only had one good year at ND and when you watch him play something just seems off. Plus the fact that every team passed on him once, some twice and he is/was injured. Luck and Clausen are not even in the same stratosphere.
pantherclub
Footballguy
That line doesnt even make sense. I know the bookies know more about this then we do but I think the Ravens easily score 30 on the Cats and I really cannot see the Panthers scoring more then 10.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
Footballguy
I just dumped him for Jimmy Graham. FWIW.
I think he may go off for one or two games based on talent alone, but the opportunity/floor is so bad/low it's ridiculous. It's like Lee Evans on steroids, but with 1/2 the ceiling.
I think he may go off for one or two games based on talent alone, but the opportunity/floor is so bad/low it's ridiculous. It's like Lee Evans on steroids, but with 1/2 the ceiling.
pantherclub
Footballguy
oof what a game yesterday.
My diabolical plan of the Panthers losing out and selecting Luck is coming together nicely. I cannot imagine Tony Pike being any worse the St Pierre was. There was a reason he only threw 5 passes in his career before yesterday. I dont see the panthers winning another one. Maybe the Cardinals at home,maybe.
Isnt Luck graded out as the highest prospect in like 20 years?
My diabolical plan of the Panthers losing out and selecting Luck is coming together nicely. I cannot imagine Tony Pike being any worse the St Pierre was. There was a reason he only threw 5 passes in his career before yesterday. I dont see the panthers winning another one. Maybe the Cardinals at home,maybe.
Isnt Luck graded out as the highest prospect in like 20 years?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I dont think the Panthers will pay Cowher
pantherclub
Footballguy
No way. The local beat writers seem to think it is going to be Brian SChtoemier(sp?) or Leslie Frazier. But it most certainly will be an assistant. Cowhers tag probably starts around 7 million. Way too high, he is not worth that.
lucky if he's better than the top rookie QB last year.No way the Panthers take another QB after taking three in 2010 draft
alot of monday morning QBs calling for Armanti in their blogs.
pantherclub
Footballguy
They really only drafted 2 starters. Clausen and Pike. If Pike couldnt play yesterday that is not a good sign. I have heard from multiple people that Pike has no business being on a NFL roster. Clausen just doesnt have "it". Plus if what everyone is saying about Luck, being the best qb prospect since Elway, I dont see how they can pass on a franchise qb. Clausen just isnt very good. He had one above average year out of 3 at ND and most observers can watch him and see he is not a good qb. If what everyone is saying about Luck then they will draft him going away. Watching Luck play it is obvious he is light years ahead of Clausen. Just smoother, better arm, bigger size and just seems to have more control.
pantherclub
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Panthers have now signed Keith Null as a QB and depending on St. Pierre (sore arm) and Clausen (Concussion) he may be starting on Sunday. Pick up all defenses vs the Panthers because this is about to get uglier.
Why even draft Pike and keep him on the roster if you are picking up guys on Tuesday that could potentially start over him on the following Sunday?
On the positive side we are the lead horse in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
NFC South would be amazing if the Panthers got Luck. That would be Luck, Brees, Ryan and Freeman all in the same division.
Why even draft Pike and keep him on the roster if you are picking up guys on Tuesday that could potentially start over him on the following Sunday?
On the positive side we are the lead horse in the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
NFC South would be amazing if the Panthers got Luck. That would be Luck, Brees, Ryan and Freeman all in the same division.
I think he means that Luck will be Lucky if he is better than Sam Bradford.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Who knows but I am convinced he is better then anything we have on the roster as it stands. The talk radio guys are in love with Luck. I have watched him and he is good, but I also think Mallet and Locker are quite talented as well. Cowherd said today a package deal of Harbough and Luck will be going to the Panthers next year. That would be my ultimate football fantasy.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Any way Smith is startable this week vs. the 31st-ranked pass D (in fantasy points)?
rick6668
Footballguy
I may actually start him in 2 leagues. 1st League
Start 3WR and a flex, have to choose from R. White, M. Thomas, S. Smith, Ford, Obomanu, Gibson and Bennett. (Bolded the 2 I'm starting for sure.)
2nd League
Start 3 WR, have to choose from Knox, Ford, S. Smith, Obomanu and B, White (This is a bad WR core)
I'm not looking for opinions, just listing who I'm likely starting Smith over.
