Pirates select Donnie Veal in the rule 5 draft
Can he last the year?
Can he last the year?
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Pirates off season thread (1 Viewer)
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Rule 5 picks have to stay with the club all year or they go back to their previous team.
Now we sign Ramon Vazquez as a free agent. I don't understand why the team every year signs players like this. They cost more than they are worth and stop youbg players from getting more playing time.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Steve Pearce hit four bombs in a whiffleball game we played on Saturday in Lakeland, Fl. So, I guess things are looking up a bit.
His knuckler was pretty nasty too. Maybe you can get some innings out of him.
His knuckler was pretty nasty too. Maybe you can get some innings out of him.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
He sort of reminds me of Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams. He could come in and strike out the side with noone touching a pitch. Or he could come in walk 2 and hit 3 batters in a loss. Go get 'em Bucs!
Black&Gold
Footballguy
I'm predicting a new 5-year, 5 million/year deal for new World Series champ....Jamie Moyer. He'll be the anchor of the staff for years to come. He can come in a take over where Matt Morris left off.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I don't have a problem with what the Pirates front office is doing.
Locking up Doumit was a solid move.
In the outfield, building around McLouth or eventually dealing him isn't a bad thing, and with solid talent like McCutchen and Tabata on the way in the next couple years, there's some guys to build with. I think Brandon Moss could end up being a very useful platoon player, and I'd like to see Steve Pearce get an extended look because he finished strong in 2008. I also think Robbie Grossman could turn out to be a 6th round steal.
I believe in Andy Laroche. His minor league track record is too strong for him to NOT figure things out. And if Alvarez is as can't-miss as a lot of people think, we should be relatively set at the corner spots. I'm not sure where Neil Walker fits in, but if he figures out how to hit like he's supposed to, he might figure into the outfield.
The middle infield is a problem that I hope is addressed through future trades, but I think it's a bit too early to write off Bixler. I think he can be the type of player Jack Wilson has been if he's given the chance, not that it's saying much.
The rotation is a bit of an eyesore, but we have to hope Gorzelanny and Snell revert back to something close to 2007 form. They have plenty of 3rd through 5th starters and a couple of high-upside guys working their way up through the minors. Brad Lincoln seemed to turn a corner over the final month or two of last season after recovering from TJ surgery, and Bryan Morris might end up being the most valuable piece the Bucs got in the Bay trade. Again, I'm sure they'll be looking at pitching in deals in the future.
After years and years of neglecting the minor league system, there's finally a reason to believe the new group is headed in the right direction. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Locking up Doumit was a solid move.
In the outfield, building around McLouth or eventually dealing him isn't a bad thing, and with solid talent like McCutchen and Tabata on the way in the next couple years, there's some guys to build with. I think Brandon Moss could end up being a very useful platoon player, and I'd like to see Steve Pearce get an extended look because he finished strong in 2008. I also think Robbie Grossman could turn out to be a 6th round steal.
I believe in Andy Laroche. His minor league track record is too strong for him to NOT figure things out. And if Alvarez is as can't-miss as a lot of people think, we should be relatively set at the corner spots. I'm not sure where Neil Walker fits in, but if he figures out how to hit like he's supposed to, he might figure into the outfield.
The middle infield is a problem that I hope is addressed through future trades, but I think it's a bit too early to write off Bixler. I think he can be the type of player Jack Wilson has been if he's given the chance, not that it's saying much.
The rotation is a bit of an eyesore, but we have to hope Gorzelanny and Snell revert back to something close to 2007 form. They have plenty of 3rd through 5th starters and a couple of high-upside guys working their way up through the minors. Brad Lincoln seemed to turn a corner over the final month or two of last season after recovering from TJ surgery, and Bryan Morris might end up being the most valuable piece the Bucs got in the Bay trade. Again, I'm sure they'll be looking at pitching in deals in the future.
After years and years of neglecting the minor league system, there's finally a reason to believe the new group is headed in the right direction. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
monessen
Footballguy
MLB.com is reporting that Turnbow signed with Texas due to his relationship with Mike Maddux, now with the Rangers. Doggone it. Well, he can take his 7.50 ERA to the American League, then. Let them contend with a reclamation project.Well, speaking of comeback players, the Bucs announced last week that Rocco Baldelli is "on their radar." The Bucs don't have radar. They have a 4 AA battery-powered junior walkie-talkie set from Walmart. What would Baldelli bring to the team except a record amount of time on the DL?I also read in today's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette where Ian Snell believes his spiritual conversion will help him as a pitcher in 2009. Maybe so, but what if he'll want religious holidays off? Just joking about Snell. No need for moderator intervention or anyone to get bent out of shape. Besides, Sid Bream became a model of devotion and faith. That paid off . . .just not for the Pirates.He sort of reminds me of Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams. He could come in and strike out the side with noone touching a pitch. Or he could come in walk 2 and hit 3 batters in a loss. Go get 'em Bucs!
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monessen
Footballguy
I like your points. You make a persuasive case.However, I can't give them the benefit of the doubt. You're a good person to be charitable. After all, Frank Coonelly responded (by e-mail, no less) in an arrogant manner to Jack Wilson's remarks about upgrading the roster. Coonelly said the Pirates need stability whereas a team like Boston had constant turnover between championship seasons. What nonsense! Given the choice between stability and losing seasons vs turnover and winning the World Series, who would opt for the same lame roster of stable defeat?
Polecat
Footballguy
Sounds like my son. Overpowering stuff. When he's on, he's unhittable. If something freaks him out, typically the catcher, the batter and the umpire are all begging us to take him out. Danger.He sort of reminds me of Mitch "Wild Thing" Williams. He could come in and strike out the side with noone touching a pitch. Or he could come in walk 2 and hit 3 batters in a loss. Go get 'em Bucs!
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
The Pirates refusal to trade Jack Wilson blows my mind. The tigers iirc, were willing to take on his entire salary and the pirates balked. Same with the Dodgers. The guy is something awful with the bat and has a ridiculous deal and yet they hesitate? I know their OLD gm would offer him around for guys like Matt Cain - LOFL.
They don't have anybody else to play short.
monessen
Footballguy
Frank Coonelly has come out in favor of a salary cap. We're all stunned. 
Coonelly worked under Bud Selig in the Commissioner's office for 10 years. This is the same office and tenure in which it went "unknown" for years that MLB players were using performance enhancing drugs. Barry Bonds literally became a Giant. So, when Coonelly publicly says the Bucs are doing everything possible to make the club a winner, why should he have any credibility?
Coonelly worked under Bud Selig in the Commissioner's office for 10 years. This is the same office and tenure in which it went "unknown" for years that MLB players were using performance enhancing drugs. Barry Bonds literally became a Giant. So, when Coonelly publicly says the Bucs are doing everything possible to make the club a winner, why should he have any credibility?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Really? His last 5 seasons are .272, .296, .273, .257, .308. Those aren't HOF numbers, but for a guy with as good a glove as Wilson, that's pretty respectable.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Craig Monroe will make the difference. 
RnR
Footballguy
Tigers are 94-103 since trading Monroe. You connect the dots...Craig Monroe will make the difference.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I've already done the math, I'm pretty sure he's the reason the Tigers were so bad last year.Tigers are 94-103 since trading Monroe. You connect the dots...Craig Monroe will make the difference.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Not quite as respectable when consider his OBP's.303, .335, .299, .316, .350
One OK year, one half decent year, and 3 terrible ones. If you aren't going to hit for power and you aren't going to maintain a high average, at least have some patience at the plate and get on base via walks.
And in only 2 of the years did he even slug over .370.
He's a nice guy and he plays hard. He plays a good shortstop. He's a role player on a decent team, a starter on the Bucs, but the Pirates definitely overvalue him because of a lack of other options. I'd rather they get what they can for him and give Bixler an extended look.
eagles2007
Footballguy
hey, we're making a run at pedro martinez ... lol.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
OK, approximately 15K people showed up over 3 days at Piratefest (probably the same 5K 3 times). The paper mentioned that this year broke the Piratefest record by a few hundred.
The question I have is how many other teams do this and what kind of response do they get? 15K over 3 days doesn't seem like something to get too excited about.
The question I have is how many other teams do this and what kind of response do they get? 15K over 3 days doesn't seem like something to get too excited about.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Bixler is terrible. I mean just unreal bad.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
The pieces are finally coming together............
Black&Gold
Footballguy
Hinske is a signing I could get excited about. Big left-handed bat in PNC!
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
6-1
Not certain, but would be really surprised if he doesn't. He has tons of tealent, but he isn't really ready yet.
Eephus
Footballguy
I don't like him in redrafts. He has some tools but unless he's taken a big leap, he doesn't look ready. At this stage in his development, he won't do anything to help a fantasy league team: no power, poor SB%, minus average. But if he and Alvarez make it to the big leagues in 2010, the Bucs could be a .500 team......if their pitching doesn't suck
snitwitch
Footballguy
I have him in a long term keeper league (24 owners), so I can afford to be a little patient. After reading around a bit it seems he's not quite ready, although he's turning heads this spring with his natural ability.
The Hank
Footballguy
He won't be with the team on Opening Day, but could be up as early as May depending on how Nyjer/Hinske/Monroe work out. They dont want his "Major League Service" clock to start tickingAt the very latest, he should be the very first call up June 1st.By next year, the starting OF should be: LF - Nate McClouth, CF - Andrew McCutchen, RF - Jose Tabata (who should be another guy to keep tabs on, even though he prob. wont be up until September call-ups).Other Pirates to keep track of: 2B Shelby Ford, 3B/UTIL Neil Walker, SP Daniel McCutchen. SP Bryan Morris, SP Brad Lincoln, 3B/SS/2B J. Negrych, RP Danny Moskos, OF Robbie Grossman and obviously 3B Pedro Alvarez (who may be up in September he progresses fast enough)
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Black&Gold
Footballguy
Another winner for the Buccos....
Jose Tabata's wife was questioned Tuesday on charges of taking an infant and could be charged with false imprisonment.
Amalia Tabata Pereira, 43, allegedly abducted the infant Monday afternoon and reportedly turned the child, who was safe, in to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office on Tuesday afternoon. "I was shocked to be told today that my wife has been arrested for kidnapping," Tabata said in a statement. "I am hurt, frustrated and confused by her actions. I have and will continue to cooperate with law enforcement officials in any way that I can. Until I have all of the facts, I cannot comment any further." That the 20-year-old Tabata is married to a 43-year-old is one of the oddities that has led baseball personel to question his makeup. However, this borders on the unbelievable. Plant City police Capt. Darrell Wilson indicated that Pereira has a criminal record that includes theft and fraud convictions and that police did not have a hometown for her because she has several aliases.
Source: Pirates.mlb.com
Jose Tabata's wife was questioned Tuesday on charges of taking an infant and could be charged with false imprisonment.
Amalia Tabata Pereira, 43, allegedly abducted the infant Monday afternoon and reportedly turned the child, who was safe, in to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office on Tuesday afternoon. "I was shocked to be told today that my wife has been arrested for kidnapping," Tabata said in a statement. "I am hurt, frustrated and confused by her actions. I have and will continue to cooperate with law enforcement officials in any way that I can. Until I have all of the facts, I cannot comment any further." That the 20-year-old Tabata is married to a 43-year-old is one of the oddities that has led baseball personel to question his makeup. However, this borders on the unbelievable. Plant City police Capt. Darrell Wilson indicated that Pereira has a criminal record that includes theft and fraud convictions and that police did not have a hometown for her because she has several aliases.
Source: Pirates.mlb.com
s_ezy
Footballguy
just saw this one
http://rotosynthesis.rotowire.com/The-Pira...apon-BBD821.htm
While the Pirates didn't make any front pages with their offseason acquisitions, one signing could end up having a big impact on the fantasy fortunes of their pitchers: first base coach and 'unofficial' infield coach Perry Hill.
Hill has a reputation as something of a miracle worker, and the reputation is deserved. With the Expos, he helped Orlando Cabrera win a Gold Glove at shortstop. After he moved on to the Marlins, their air-tight infield defense helped propel them to a World Series win, as well as more Gold Gloves for Derrek Lee, Mike Lowell and Luis Castillo. He took a couple of years off after 2006 due to some family issues, and the Marlins team defense subsequently took a nosedive.
Now he's in Pittsburgh, and he's already making his mark. “I’ve already learned more from Perry Hill in a month than I’ve learned from anybody in baseball,” Freddy Sanchez gushed earlier in camp. While most fantasy leagues don't use defensive stats, they do use ERA and WHIP, and the Pirates pitchers are going to love what they're seeing happening behind them on balls in play, just as Josh Beckett and Brad Penny and AJ Burnett did earlier in the decade.
If you're trying to decide between, say, Paul Maholm and Joe Saunders at the draft table, or whether to throw an endgame buck at Zach Duke, remember who has the best infield defense coach in the game on their side.
http://rotosynthesis.rotowire.com/The-Pira...apon-BBD821.htm
While the Pirates didn't make any front pages with their offseason acquisitions, one signing could end up having a big impact on the fantasy fortunes of their pitchers: first base coach and 'unofficial' infield coach Perry Hill.
Hill has a reputation as something of a miracle worker, and the reputation is deserved. With the Expos, he helped Orlando Cabrera win a Gold Glove at shortstop. After he moved on to the Marlins, their air-tight infield defense helped propel them to a World Series win, as well as more Gold Gloves for Derrek Lee, Mike Lowell and Luis Castillo. He took a couple of years off after 2006 due to some family issues, and the Marlins team defense subsequently took a nosedive.
Now he's in Pittsburgh, and he's already making his mark. “I’ve already learned more from Perry Hill in a month than I’ve learned from anybody in baseball,” Freddy Sanchez gushed earlier in camp. While most fantasy leagues don't use defensive stats, they do use ERA and WHIP, and the Pirates pitchers are going to love what they're seeing happening behind them on balls in play, just as Josh Beckett and Brad Penny and AJ Burnett did earlier in the decade.
If you're trying to decide between, say, Paul Maholm and Joe Saunders at the draft table, or whether to throw an endgame buck at Zach Duke, remember who has the best infield defense coach in the game on their side.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
12 games in and this team is sitting at .500. It could certainly be a lot worse so I'll take it. Such pathetic times for us Bucco fans............ 
