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Player Spotlight: Bobby Engram (1 Viewer)

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2008 Player Spotlight Series

One of Footballguys best assets is our message board community. The Shark Pool is, in our view, the best place on the internet to discuss, debate and analyze all things fantasy football. In what's become an annual tradition, the Player Spotlight series is a key part of the preseason efforts. As many of you know, we consider the Player Spotlight threads the permanent record for analyzing the fantasy prospects of the player in question. Last year, we published more than 140 offensive spotlights covering the vast majority of expected skill position starters. This year will be no different.

Each week we will post a list of players to be discussed. Those threads will remain open for the entire preseason, and should be a central point to discussion expectations for the player in question. Importantly, analysis done in the first week of posting will be part of the permanent record in two ways. 1) At the end of the week, we will tally the projections into a consensus. 2) We will select a number of pull quotes from forum contributors who make a compelling statement or observation. Both the projections and pull quotes will be part of a published article on the main website.

Thread Topic: Bobby Engram, WR, Seattle Seahawks

Player Page Link: Bobby Engram Player Page

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Engram is flying off the boards as a top30 WR...talk about an over reaction to 1 season. The guy has always been a nice 3rd down move the sticks type WR, but now he has been asked to shoulder the load. From the standpoint that DJ Hackett is gone and Deion Branch is likely to start the season on the PUP list, you have to look at Engram as a viable option in Seattle but I also think you don't want to reach for this guy. He's old, slow, and small.

64/800/6 TD

 
He's old, slow, and small.
He's also got great hands, is his quarterback's "girlfriend" when they need first downs, and is looking like he's going to be the starting Z receiver in Holmgren's offense.I'm seeing his ADP as WR33/34, not top 30. In a PPR league 64/800/6 would've made him WR36 a year ago. If that's what he'd project too it seems like he's going about where he should. Maybe that changes and he starts going earlier now that his "holdout" is over. We'll see. Regardless of current ADPs, given that he's likely going to be starting(at least for a while) I don't see any compelling reason he can't get 75-ish catches in that offense:77 catches, 925 yards, 5 TDs.I certainly wouldn't be reaching for him in the top 30, but if you're landing him as WR34 I think he actually has a little upside as long as he's running with the first team. I'm not convinced that Branch will be back anytime soon and Engram is probably unlikely to be asked to play SE that much. The Z in that offense gets flooded with targets.
 
BTW, anyone that was concerned of a lengthy Engram holdout should not be concerned, as he announced yesterday that he would be there for training camp and was ending his mini holdout.

 
If the Seahawks try to and are successful running the ball more Engram will likely see fewer targets than last season. If not then things just might stay the same. Either way I like him. Hasselbeck's a good qb and Engram's his go-to-guy. The age is a little concerning (35) but not too much so.

 
Engram is flying off the boards as a top30 WR...talk about an over reaction to 1 season. The guy has always been a nice 3rd down move the sticks type WR, but now he has been asked to shoulder the load. From the standpoint that DJ Hackett is gone and Deion Branch is likely to start the season on the PUP list, you have to look at Engram as a viable option in Seattle but I also think you don't want to reach for this guy. He's old, slow, and small. 64/800/6 TD
don't get me wrong, but in leagues that require 3 WRs and a flex......those old, slow and small WRs make great plays.....ie engram, mason and others.
 
Engram is flying off the boards as a top30 WR...talk about an over reaction to 1 season. The guy has always been a nice 3rd down move the sticks type WR, but now he has been asked to shoulder the load. From the standpoint that DJ Hackett is gone and Deion Branch is likely to start the season on the PUP list, you have to look at Engram as a viable option in Seattle but I also think you don't want to reach for this guy. He's old, slow, and small. 64/800/6 TD
don't get me wrong, but in leagues that require 3 WRs and a flex......those old, slow and small WRs make great plays.....ie engram, mason and others.
Bye week filler, but not much more.I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
 
Engram is flying off the boards as a top30 WR...talk about an over reaction to 1 season. The guy has always been a nice 3rd down move the sticks type WR, but now he has been asked to shoulder the load. From the standpoint that DJ Hackett is gone and Deion Branch is likely to start the season on the PUP list, you have to look at Engram as a viable option in Seattle but I also think you don't want to reach for this guy. He's old, slow, and small.

64/800/6 TD
don't get me wrong, but in leagues that require 3 WRs and a flex......those old, slow and small WRs make great plays.....ie engram, mason and others.
Bye week filler, but not much more.I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
Except for last year.
 
I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
I don't think anyone is putting him in that league. Right now he's being drafted, on average, 1.5-2 rounds later than those guys( and more like 5 later than Holt).
 
Bobby Engram's ADP is WR 32. He finished 15th last year but before that has struggled to stay healthy and finished well below that ADP. Seattle doesn't have the WR's they've had in years past, making Engram one of Seattle's top targets if not the top, so he has to be respected. Personally, I don't feel like there's a lot of upside drafting Engram and won't be aggressive in trying to acquire him. He had a career year last year, and we have a lot of years to look at. It's very unlikely that he repeats at that level whether it be an injury (he's missed a lot of time over different seasons for different reasons) or a better player at Wr emerges and he isn't targeted as much. I just don't like going after older players AFTER their career year trying to chase something that's already happened. It's possible that everything works out perfectly for him and he has the kind of season he did this year but to me it's not likely.

70 receptions for 780 yards and 5 td's

 
Engram is flying off the boards as a top30 WR...talk about an over reaction to 1 season. The guy has always been a nice 3rd down move the sticks type WR, but now he has been asked to shoulder the load. From the standpoint that DJ Hackett is gone and Deion Branch is likely to start the season on the PUP list, you have to look at Engram as a viable option in Seattle but I also think you don't want to reach for this guy. He's old, slow, and small.

64/800/6 TD
don't get me wrong, but in leagues that require 3 WRs and a flex......those old, slow and small WRs make great plays.....ie engram, mason and others.
Bye week filler, but not much more.I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
Except for last year.
What is the point? It's the 1st time in his career he posted numbers at that tier...and it was his 12th season...c'mon.
 
I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
I don't think anyone is putting him in that league. Right now he's being drafted, on average, 1.5-2 rounds later than those guys( and more like 5 later than Holt).
But Engram isn't going to come close to last year's numbers...this is why projections are so dangerous....a guy going into his 13th season?, and after posting his best numbers ever?, and we are just going to load in the same scroe from last season?Holt should be 5 rounds ahead of Engram...maybe 10. To even talk about Engram in the same post as guys like Driver, Galloway, Holt...who have all year in and year out posted really strong numbers...to me that is just foolish. I am not trying to flame away here 5-ish, you're good people, but this line of thinking I see that you and others are sort of projecting into this thread....makes me very uncomfortable.
 
MOP with Hackett gone, Branch sidelined for awhile maybe the whole year how can Engram not be productive again?

He only has to compete with Burleson and Benny Obo for catches

 
Engram is one of those guys who gets overlooked in a lot of drafts, especially dynasties, because of his age, and he isn't the flashy guy. so he ends up many times representing value because of where he falls.

82/1035/7

 
I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
I don't think anyone is putting him in that league. Right now he's being drafted, on average, 1.5-2 rounds later than those guys( and more like 5 later than Holt).
But Engram isn't going to come close to last year's numbers...this is why projections are so dangerous....a guy going into his 13th season?, and after posting his best numbers ever?, and we are just going to load in the same scroe from last season?Holt should be 5 rounds ahead of Engram...maybe 10. To even talk about Engram in the same post as guys like Driver, Galloway, Holt...who have all year in and year out posted really strong numbers...to me that is just foolish. I am not trying to flame away here 5-ish, you're good people, but this line of thinking I see that you and others are sort of projecting into this thread....makes me very uncomfortable.
MOP could that make Burleson a top 20 WR? Somebody out there has to catch all of those other passes from Hass.
 
By far the biggest value play in PPR right now on the WR board. Will be the main focus of a still pass happy O with a QB that most seem to have projected just under 4k yards. Are there age/durability concerns? No doubt. But he will be a PPR value play so long as he is on the field.

98/1156/8

 
MOP with Hackett gone, Branch sidelined for awhile maybe the whole year how can Engram not be productive again? He only has to compete with Burleson and Benny Obo for catches
This is true as someone will be catching balls in Seattle. Their passing game is above average and in the past, Darrel Jackson was the guy to put up the big numbers but they don't have a guy like that anymore, so somebody has to step him and have a decent season. Last year it was Engram and it could be again this year. He doesn't have a lot of 16 games seasons under his belt but if you were to tell me now he would play in all 16 games, I don't think I'd project him all the way to 15th like he finished last year but odds are he finish higher than his ADP of 32.
 
I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
I don't think anyone is putting him in that league. Right now he's being drafted, on average, 1.5-2 rounds later than those guys( and more like 5 later than Holt).
But Engram isn't going to come close to last year's numbers...this is why projections are so dangerous....a guy going into his 13th season?, and after posting his best numbers ever?, and we are just going to load in the same scroe from last season?Holt should be 5 rounds ahead of Engram...maybe 10. To even talk about Engram in the same post as guys like Driver, Galloway, Holt...who have all year in and year out posted really strong numbers...to me that is just foolish. I am not trying to flame away here 5-ish, you're good people, but this line of thinking I see that you and others are sort of projecting into this thread....makes me very uncomfortable.
MOP could that make Burleson a top 20 WR? Somebody out there has to catch all of those other passes from Hass.
Nevermind, I just saw your spotlight projection on Burleson. Your not high on him at all.
 
I agree that productive vets get overlooked....but I like guys Galloway, Driver, Holt...Engram is not in that league IMO
I don't think anyone is putting him in that league. Right now he's being drafted, on average, 1.5-2 rounds later than those guys( and more like 5 later than Holt).
But Engram isn't going to come close to last year's numbers...this is why projections are so dangerous....a guy going into his 13th season?, and after posting his best numbers ever?, and we are just going to load in the same scroe from last season?Holt should be 5 rounds ahead of Engram...maybe 10. To even talk about Engram in the same post as guys like Driver, Galloway, Holt...who have all year in and year out posted really strong numbers...to me that is just foolish. I am not trying to flame away here 5-ish, you're good people, but this line of thinking I see that you and others are sort of projecting into this thread....makes me very uncomfortable.
Did you even read my projections? I only think he's going to get around 100 more yards and ten more catches than you do. What line of thinking eaxctly am I projecting other than that I think he'll be a pretty good WR3 with a chance to be a low end WR2? If no one thinks he's got value as WR33+ just because "he's in his 13th year" they're ignoring him at their own risk. I have yet to see him being taken prior to WR30 in any of the mocks I've participated in or in the first "real" draft I've been paying attention to the past week. Somebody will be catching passes in Seattle. Why not the guy playing flanker(again)?
 
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As I said elsewhere, Engram isn't about to amaze anybody, but this whole "he didn't do this good before so won't now" is questionable logic, unless youre talking injury possibilities. Remember he spent his early career with the where-WRs-go-to-die Bears then played 2d/3d fiddle to a variety of other SEA receiving targets, most of who were as it turns out overrated but got the touches/looks.

No I don't expect better #s or even necessarily the same #s this year, but I think there's a good chance he could get close, and for a cheap/late draft pick that you hope to start infrequently, he's well worth a look IMO, esp in PPRs.

 
Hasselback had a huge season, so he has great QB play to look forward to, and the defenses in the NFC West aren't top notch. Branch will likely miss some time, and Branch has never been a 1,000 yard reciever. Burleson's not great

But...Engram is 35 now. Last year was the first time since 2004 that he played all 16 games. It was also the 1st time he broke 800 yards in Seattle, and only the 2nd time he'd broken the 700 yard mark. And, he's more suited for a slot role than a number 1 or number 2 guy. The running game is unproven, And...he's just not THAT good. I know many will disagree, but I like Burleson better.

68 Receptions

802 Yards

5 TDs

 
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I think either Taylor or Obomanu step up and put Bobby back to his WR3 role. Engram's age/contract squabble probably doesn't make him a priority for Seattle and their future. Add in Branch's eventual return and I think Bobby finishes in the 50's among WR's.

I think time & again Hass has proven he can make any WR relevant.. I expect next on the list is Taylor or Obomanu. Wouldn't be surprised if it were Kent/Payne either. Point being, I don't think the chips will break like they did last year for Bobby.

 
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Thoughts on Engram's value after he returns after the week 4 bye week?
I think the shark move here to avoid the whole situation or to get Engram, Obo and Taylor as late plays and feel out the situation on the fly. The Sea WR slot will have big value in PPR this year like other years. If you can get that production for three late picks I think it may be worth it.
 

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