Player Spotlight: Carson Palmer (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Carson Palmer, QB, Cincinnati Bengals

Player Page Link: Carson Palmer Player Page

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[a_troll00]

ugh...

Carson Palmer is a special talent at QB. He has two special receivers with Chad Johnson and Houshmandzadeh. So, why am I down on Palmer? Character issues just seem to be imploding the Bengals organization. Buyer beware...

 

[rzrback77]

Carson Palmer is an elite NFL QB. He has finished 1st, 4th, and 9th in the most recent three seasons. His ints climbed last season and this year, there have been many discussions on the upcoming Bengal implosion. I don't think that will happen. I think that one of the two rookie WRs will fill in adequately for the loss of Chris Henry. I think that TJH and Chad will both have their typical stellar fantasy seasons. I also think that the OL will be improved from last year. Cincinatti will rebound offensively, but their defense will continue to struggle.

Carson Palmer has averaged right at 7.5 ypa over those same three seasons and his attempts have gone up each year. I think that the atttempts will drop slightly, but the effectiveness will improve.

Carson Palmer 368 comp 530 att 68% 4050 yds 7.5 ypa 28 TDs 14 ints 40 yds rush 0 TDs

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Two years ago Palmer entered the season a little dinged up, started off slow and ended the season better than how he started it. Heading into last season, I noted the slight improvement over the course of the season and figured he'd be in for a big season last year. Although his passing yardage was up, his Td's were down and his INT's were up.

I ask my why? Did his skills deteriorate? Was he possibly hurt, what was the difference?

The difference wasn't that he was hurt, but other key players on the Cincinnati team hurt their chances of being a better football team. For one, the loss of Rudi Johnson early on hurt the Bengals offense. Without the threat of Rudi, defenses didn't respect the running game of Cinci.

Further injuries to the Cinci defense, specifically the linebackers allowed teams to pick that defense apart. The Bengals found themselves in a lot of holes and although you'd think that could translate into a lot of high scoring games, it wasn't as high as you'd think for the amount of points they gave up. Palmer was forced into throwing interceptions as defenses could just rush the QB in most of their games.

I am finding myself less than confident with the Cinci coaching staff. It bothers me that he built his name on having one of the greatest defenses in Baltimore and all these years in Cinci he's got a defense that's less than average and last year downright poor. I expect a few more Td's this season but Palmer again may not live up to his usually high ADP.

4075 yards, 28 td's and 20 int's

 

[Tanner9919]

Stewie will show up with his 'Garrard is better than Palmer' rant in 3...2...1...

Palmer is an elite QB, he's consistently the 3rd/4th QB taken in every fantasy draft, intermingled with Manning/Brady/Romo..

you have to think that one of these seasons, Cincy is going to finally put it all together and win 10/11 games..Chad Johnson should be on fire , forging his way to a new contract or an off-season trade..either way, it could be a Pro Bowl season for CJ..TJ is probably the best #2 WR in the NFL, and there's no reason to think that will stop this season, esp if Cincy struggles to run the ball with their hodge-podge collection of RBs..

Palmer

560 att/4100 yards/33 TD/15 int

 

[Verbal Kint]

IMO, Chris Henry was the cog in the Bengal's offensive machine that made it so explosive. His speed, height and leaping ability compare favorably to anyone this side of Randy Moss. As a WR3, he was lethal. Without him in the lineup, the offense just wasn't the same. Then, with only Chad and TJ as weapons (Rudi was injured as well) defenses could just play Cover 2 and contain the offense. I don't see any other receiver on our roster that can do what Henry did.

On the contrary, I like the addition of a pass-catching TE like Utecht. And if Chris Perry can get on the field with the same explosiveness from a couple years ago, there are 2 playmakers that can open up this offense and get them back to a top 5 offensive season. If these don't pan out, then I think the offense peters out with Palmer's #s suffering.

 

[BigRed]

I think losing Rudi made more of a diff than losing a WR3, even a good one. CIN still has good weapons and I think (if they're smart anyway) they'll use Watson more, who IMO is extremely underrated and did VERY well when given the chance, running well and showing real receiving ability also. I like Palmer as a good "bargain" move this year - in auctions I'm seeing him go for low teens if that.

 

[Jon_Moore]

In terms of physical tools and passing ability Palmer is right on par with Peyton Manninig. He's got an elite receiver in Chad Johnson and another pro bowl calliber pass catcher in Houshmandzedah. The last 3 years, he's thrown at least 509 Passes, at least 3800 Yards and at least 26 TDs. He's averaged 4000 Yards, 28.7 TDs over that span. The opportunity is obviously going to be there, and he's delivered on it.

The running game can't be as bad as last year. Rudi's had the offseason to rest and recover. Perry will finally enter camp healthy, Watson and Dorsey provide some nice explosivness out of the backfield. The defense can't be as bad as last year either. At a point, they had no healthy linebackers on the team, this year they should have healthy ones that know their scheme. They won't have to pass as much, and defenses won't be able to key on the pass as they had been doing last year.

327/515

4018 Yards

30 TDs

13 INTs

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him exceed these numbers and end up as QB1.

 

[massraider]

IMO, Chris Henry was the cog in the Bengal's offensive machine that made it so explosive. His speed, height and leaping ability compare favorably to anyone this side of Randy Moss. As a WR3, he was lethal. Without him in the lineup, the offense just wasn't the same. Then, with only Chad and TJ as weapons (Rudi was injured as well) defenses could just play Cover 2 and contain the offense. I don't see any other receiver on our roster that can do what Henry did.

Their offense struggled for many reasons. Palmer faced more pressure, the running game was down, and Chad and Carson made more mistakes.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

IMO, Chris Henry was the cog in the Bengal's offensive machine that made it so explosive. His speed, height and leaping ability compare favorably to anyone this side of Randy Moss. As a WR3, he was lethal. Without him in the lineup, the offense just wasn't the same. Then, with only Chad and TJ as weapons (Rudi was injured as well) defenses could just play Cover 2 and contain the offense. I don't see any other receiver on our roster that can do what Henry did.

Their offense struggled for many reasons. Palmer faced more pressure, the running game was down, and Chad and Carson made more mistakes.

bump with the return of Chris Henry! hehe

 

[Verbal Kint]

IMO, Chris Henry was the cog in the Bengal's offensive machine that made it so explosive. His speed, height and leaping ability compare favorably to anyone this side of Randy Moss. As a WR3, he was lethal. Without him in the lineup, the offense just wasn't the same. Then, with only Chad and TJ as weapons (Rudi was injured as well) defenses could just play Cover 2 and contain the offense. I don't see any other receiver on our roster that can do what Henry did.

Their offense struggled for many reasons. Palmer faced more pressure, the running game was down, and Chad and Carson made more mistakes.

bump with the return of Chris Henry! hehe

I'm bumping him down for now. Chad and TJ officially have me worried, and I think re-signing Henry was a mistake (I'm in the camp that he'll get busted again). Caldwell is hurt, Maxwell is hurt. None of the other guys had even made an impression fighting for the WR3 spot, let alone filling in for CJ and TJ.