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Player Spotlight: Chester Taylor (1 Viewer)

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2006 Player Spotlight Series

Over the course of the offseason, we will be evaluating a multitude of players at every fantasy position. One such way we go about that is through the Player Spotlight series. Think of the Spotlights as a permanent record on some of the more intriguing players for the upcoming season. Each Spotlight will be featured in an article on the main website.

Thread Topic: Chester Taylor, RB, Minnesota Vikings

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I really liked Chester coming out of college, and i still think he's talented, but I'm also a big fan of Mewelde Moore. He produces every time he gets on the field. Chester's gonna start and get the majority of the work, but he's not good enough to completely keep MoMo off the field.

210/886/5 rushing

38/307/1 receiving

 
This could get interesting. Early reports from Minnesota indicate that Taylor is not in the shape the team expected him to be in and is not aggressively attacking the job. Mewelde Moore has his work cut out for him to take carries (or possibly the job from Taylor), but don't expect the coaching staff to hand the job to Taylor if they don't think he has earned it. This would set a terrible precident for the new coaching staff.

Expect the back that does the most in the offseason and preseason to earn the job. Keeping the job will be another story.

 
BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..

150-600-3

25-200-2, receiving

Moore or Fason seem like better fits for the type of WCO that Childress is bringing over from Philly..Both are clones of Brian Westbrook, i.e., great hands, smalish RBs with good vision and quick feet..

Taylor couldn't even beat out Jamal Lewis, for Pete's sake! 3.4 per carry Jamal Lewis..

 
BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..
I don't know how much we can use the Philly offense as an indication which way the Vikings are going. If we go back to the Wisconsin days, Childress\Bevell leaned on Ron Dayne an awful lot.
 
IMO Childress had to be in the loop during the acquisition of Taylor. Taylor will get his chance to be the man and, if motivated, has tremendous potential.

With the return of the leader of the O-line C Matt Birk (Harvard) - I do expect to see smarter, better offensive line play from the Vikings. Teamed with Bryant McKinnie and suddenly the Vikings aren't the offensive blocking sieve they were last year - IMO why they imploded - they become what they were 2 years ago when they ran the ball well (over 2000 yards as a team if I remember right).

The schedule looks favorable with 2 games against air-martz, 2 games against air Farve, and games against Seattle, Arizona, SF and NE at Home.

But I too think MM will vulture some carries.

202/957/5 rushing

44/437/2 receiving

 
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Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD

 
The Vikes ran right out and got Taylor as soon as free-agency started, and I hardly think Childress was out of the loop for that decision. He shoud do fine. MM couldn't even beat out the rag-### RB's the vikes had last year so no way he'll beat out Taylor.

I say 1,300 total yds and 10 TD's.

 
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I have said all off-season that Taylor has a good chance to be this year's Lamont Jordan, and even with the bad press coming out about Taylor's conditioning, I still think that there's still a decent chance for that to happen.

Rather than try to remember everything I've had to say about him, I will just cut and paste snipets that I've posted from many other threads . . .

Where is all the Mewelde Moore love coming from? Sure, he's done well when he's had the chance . . . but the team seems instistent on him NOT getting the chance. I recall that he will be the return back this season.

I know that there have been some concerns about Taylor's physical conditioning so far in OTAs, but remember that he will be running behind Pro Bowlers Birk, Hutchinson, and Richardson.

What I find interesting in some of these threads is that people want to knock Larry Johnson down a notch for losing Richardson and Shaun Alexander down some for losing Hutchinson . . . yet NO ONE wants to bump Taylor up for GAINING these guys. IMO, Taylor has realistic Top 10 potential this year if he decides he wants to be a starting NFL RB.

For those poo-pooing the Taylor has Top 10 potential comment, here are the players that have run behind a combination of 3 Pro Bowlers in the past 15 years(looking at OL and FB):

2005 SEA Shaun Alexander

OL Steve Hutchinson, OL Walter Jones, OL Walter Tobek

2004 PIT Jerome Bettis/Duce Staley

OL Alan Faneca, OL Jeff Hartings, OL Marvel Smith

2004 KC Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson

OL William Roaf, OL Will Shields, OL Brian Waters

2003 KC Priest Holmes

OL William Roaf, OL Will Shields, FB Tony Richardson

1996 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Larry Allen, OL Erik Williams, OL Nate Newton

1995 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Larry Allen, OL Ray Donaldson, OL Nate Newton

1994 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Nate Newton, OL Mark Stepnoski, OL Mark Tuinei

1993 DAL Emmitt Smith

FB Daryl Johnson, OL Erik Williams, OL Nate Newton, OL Mark Stepnoski

Now, the Vikings have not had a season with 3 Pro Bowlers yet, but if Birk, Hutchinson, and Richardson perform as they have done in the past I think that bodes well for the Vikings' rushing game. Certainly, it does not appear that the Vikings are going to become the 90s Cowboys or 00s Chiefs in terms of running production, but they should be a lot better than they have been.

I've said it at least a dozen times this off-season. Taylor will be this year's version of Lamont Jordan. In many leagues Jordan slipped into the 3rd round and was taken after at least 20 other RB were selected. that's basically the same situation that Taylor will be in this year.

People keep pointing to Childress as a RBBC coach. In 7 years with the Eagles, he had only 2 years with a healthy RB1. Both years it was Duce Staley, and in those years Duce had almost 1600 total yards and 6-8 TD. (He ranked 10th and 15th in those seasons.)

Darrell Bevell takes over at OC coming over from the Packers. Green Bay semeed to have gotten Ahman Green some decent years the past few seasons. Granted, he was not OC at Green Bay but one would think that he still was part of a system that helped Green rank as a Top 5 RB.

Why is it a 3-headed hyrda in PHI when by your own recounting Staley, Buckhalter, and Westbrook all missed significant time with injuries across multiple seasons?

Again, using the Lamont Jordan comparison, OAK still ranked a paltry 31st in rushing attempts and 29th in rushing yards, yet he still ranked 9th last year.

The Vikings seemed to have TRIED to not give Moore the starting job and have done seemingly everything in their power to keep him from having a featured role. Maybe they will change their collective minds over him, but it sure doesn't look like that's in the immediate future.

I'm not suggesting that Taylor turns into Holmes, Emmitt, or Alexander. I am saying that if things work out, Taylor could be a Top 10 RB this season. Compared to the guys listed, Taylor's fantasy production could be 30-40% LESS than the uber studs and still be Top 10 (maybe even up to half the production depending upon the year). Teams would love to add a Pro Bowl linemen or fullback--let alnoe both in the same season. I doubt anyone would say that the Vikings rushing game got WORSE by adding Hutchinson and Richardson.

I explained this once already. Childress would have preferred to use a featured back. In his two healthy seasons in PHI, Duce Staley have about 1600 total yards and 6-8 total TD.

In the other seasons that Childress was OC in PHI, he had no choice but to use a variety of backs.

1999

Healthy Staley = 366 touches

2000

Injured Staley = 6 RB with at least 10 touches

2001

Banged up Staley = 229 touches with Correll Buckhalter filling in getting 142 touches

2002

Healthy Staley = 320 touches

2003

Staley holds out and is not 100%. Buckhalter fills in on occasion for 136 touches. Westbrook also gets 154 touches.

2004

Staley gone. Buckhalter blows an ACL. Westbrook default RB but limited to 12-13 carries. Dorsey Levens picked up off waivers as there are no other viable RB options.

2005

Buckhalter again blows an ACL and misses the season. Westbrook misses the end of the season. Moats plays the last few games.

Nowhere in here do I see a track record for a COMMITTEE approach to the running backs. The only varation on that is Westbrook. It's clear to me that the Eagles did not (and likely still do not) want Westbrook to be a workhorse back and prefer to use him as a 12-13 carry back with a ton of receptions.

Now jump to Minnesota. The team already said it hoped to get Taylor the ball 20-30 times a game. I would ignore the talk of 30 touches a game as that's just crazy talk, but 20 touches is not that out of the realm of possibility. 17 carries and 3 receptions seems attainable. That's 272 rushes and another 48 receptions--about what Staley was getting in his healthy seasons.

272 x 4.0 = 1,088 rushing yards

48 x 7.5 = 360 receiving yards

8 total TD

About 193 fantasy points. Last year that would have ranked 12th for RB. A few more yards or another 1-2 TD and he would have ranked in the Top 10 (would have been #9 with 10 more fantasy points).

That's what I see in my crystal ball for Taylor this year . . . IF HE WAKES UP AND DECIDES HE WANTS TO BE THE #1 RB IN MINNESOTA. If he wants to just phone it in and be lazy, that's another story.

Minnesota has given Moore 10 or more carries 11 times in 26 games played. In those games, he averaged 16.6 carries a game. But in his other 15 games, he only averaged 2.5 carries a game. Clearly if he is not filling in as the starter, he is an afterthought.

1) HC and OC: True, we don't know what the Vikes will do, but they have already said they hope to get Taylor the ball 20-30 times a game. I never buy into the 30 touches tlak, but 20 seems reasonable to me. Also, IMO the WR corps is somewhat run of the mill, and they certainly at this point don't appear to have a receiver that is in line for 100 receptions. They have 4 decent options but no one great. While others may argue otherwise, I think this improves the chances Taylor gets a steady diet of carrying the ball.

2) Most teams would be in trouble if the main QB went down to injury. At 38, Johnson will not beat Michael Vick in the 40 yard dash, but until he gets injured this is pure conjecture. Even if Johnson were to get hurt, that many times gives the RB more work, so that might not be the worst thing for Taylor.

3) From what I've seen, Moore is projected to be a special teamer and change of pace back. There has been some debate as to whether Fason is the #2 in MIN. If the team really wanted Moore to be the starter, they have had plenty of opportunity to do so in the pst and really have not embraced him as a featured back. I personally thought Moore was a decent option, but then they went out and gleefully signed Taylor.

4) "Reports of" and "whispers" are not the same. No one has come out and actually said "Taylor is not in shape." IIRC, there was an article saying that some people felt the team may have been disappointed in Taylor's conditioning upon arriving. This has been covered in several articles. Taylor himself has said the number of practices and pace in Minnesota is much more rigorous than it was in Baltimore. There are still many months until opening day. If he still is winded come September, then we can revisit this issue.

5) Unproven and can he last: This can be said of any rookie or any new starter, and while a valid concern, one that many RB have faced. In 11 games in BAL with 10 or more carries, Taylor averaged 17 carries, 67 rushing yards, and 20 receiving yards per game. If nothing changed at all (clearly that won't happen), he would get 1400 total yards over a full season--and remember, that was when he was not fully the go-to back. Certainly not apples to apples, but worth noting none the less.

IMO, Taylor should see the ball 18 times rushing and another 3 receiving per game. Split the difference and call it 21 times per game. If he were to play in all 16 games, that would be 336 touches.

He's currently going as the #21 RB off the board. Are there really 20 other RB that will see that many touches with a real chance to get even more? His ADP is 3.09 in 12-team leagues (at least for now).

IMO, this is Lamont Jordan revisited. People last year were saying the same things and Jordan was a 3rd round pick in many leagues.

I am in the huge minority here in that I have Taylor in my Top 10 for 2006. The team seems intent on getting him 20-30 touches a game. I doubt he sees many weeks with 30, but he shoud get 22-23 on average.

He's running behind 4-time Pro Bowler Matt Birk, 3-time Pro Bowler Steve Hutchinson, and 2-time Pro Bowler Tony Richardson. And TE Jim Kleinsasser is one of the better blocking tight ends around.

Add in that Whizzinator is gone, Michael Bennett is gone, and Moe Williams retired. That leaves Mewelde Moore (who has trouble staying healthy) and Ciatrick Fason (who basically is their shor yardage back).

I also don't see the WR corps as being the force to be reckoned with like former Minnesota teams. The Robinsons, Taylor, and Williamson are all ok but not awe inspiring. Taylor should see plenty of swing passes.

I've said it all off-season that Chester Taylor 2006 = Lamont Jordan 2005.

Unless Childress is completely blowing smoke, IMO the Vikes plan on using Taylor as their go to guy. Taylor inked a four-year, $14.1 million contract, with $5.6 million in guaranteed money. IMO, he's too costly to have as merely a backup.

Here were Taylor's stats from game with at least 10 carries over the span of his career . . .

Rushes, Rushing Yards, Receiving Yards, Total TD

10-45-25-0 vs ARI 2003

21-89-11-0 vs BUF 2004

18-78-18-0 vs PHI 2004

15-33-18-1 vs DAL 2004

16-61-24-0 vs NE 2004

23-139-25-1 vs CIN 2004

25-104-27-0 vs NYG 2004

11-32-24-0 vs NYJ 2005

19-59-26-0 vs PIT 2005

11-40-6-0 vs HOU 2005

20-59-14-0 vs DEN 2005

AVG: 17-67-20-0.18

Of interest is that the Vikings have said they think Taylor could get 25 touches a game. I doubt that will happen, but that is the story they are telling at this point.

 
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1150 Yrds rushing/ 7 TD's

350 Yrds receiving/ 2 TD's

If Chester does manage to hold onto the job all season, during most leagues playoffs he gets to play:

Week 14: @ Detroit

Week 15: Vs. Jets

Week 16: @ Green Bay

 
Solid running back with decent receiving skills, they added some nice pieces to aid the running game.

I'm not sure he'll be given the 300 touches he needs to be an elite back. I'm not sold on most of the team.

Brad Johnson is solid, but unspectacular. The recievers, Robinson, Williamson, Taylor, Robinson and Williamson have very nice potential, but are very unproven, and the P word is running out on Robinson.

The offensive line looks decent, they got the best fullback in the game.

If the defense can keep them in games, Chestor could see the 300 touches, but I'm unsold that they will.

Mewelde Moore also concerns me. He's shown the ability to produce well when given the opportunity. He could take some touches away.

There have been grumblings of Fason finding a niche, possibly as a goal line back, that could hurt Taylors value, but the low tds i'm predicting moreso reflects my lack of trust in the offense as a whole.

240 Rushes

1032 yards

6 rushing Tds

38 receptions

266 receiving yards

2 receiving tds

 
Holy #### Yudkin, you sure you don't want to add anything else? :P

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I haven't seen much on MM offseason wrist surgery...i assume its because there is nothing to report? I think it is worth noting that the guy is consistently banged up...

 
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Holy #### Yudkin, you sure you don't want to add anything else? :P

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I haven't seen much on MM offseason wrist surgery...i assume its because there is nothing to report? I think it is worth noting that the guy is consistently banged up...
Didn't have time to write up new comments so just cut and pasted the old ones. Didn't realize it was so long . . .
 
Holy #### Yudkin, you sure you don't want to add anything else? :P

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I haven't seen much on MM offseason wrist surgery...i assume its because there is nothing to report? I think it is worth noting that the guy is consistently banged up...
Didn't have time to write up new comments so just cut and pasted the old ones. Didn't realize it was so long . . .
I wasn't complaining, it just reinforced my decision to keep Chester in my keeper league
 
Holy #### Yudkin, you sure you don't want to add anything else? :P

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I haven't seen much on MM offseason wrist surgery...i assume its because there is nothing to report? I think it is worth noting that the guy is consistently banged up...
Didn't have time to write up new comments so just cut and pasted the old ones. Didn't realize it was so long . . .
I just assumed it was Magaw-inspired
 
I have said all off-season that Taylor has a good chance to be this year's Lamont Jordan, and even with the bad press coming out about Taylor's conditioning, I still think that there's still a decent chance for that to happen.

Rather than try to remember everything I've had to say about him, I will just cut and paste snipets that I've posted from many other threads . . .

Where is all the Mewelde Moore love coming from? Sure, he's done well when he's had the chance . . . but the team seems instistent on him NOT getting the chance. I recall that he will be the return back this season.

I know that there have been some concerns about Taylor's physical conditioning so far in OTAs, but remember that he will be running behind Pro Bowlers Birk, Hutchinson, and Richardson.

What I find interesting in some of these threads is that people want to knock Larry Johnson down a notch for losing Richardson and Shaun Alexander down some for losing Hutchinson . . . yet NO ONE wants to bump Taylor up for GAINING these guys. IMO, Taylor has realistic Top 10 potential this year if he decides he wants to be a starting NFL RB.

For those poo-pooing the Taylor has Top 10 potential comment, here are the players that have run behind a combination of 3 Pro Bowlers in the past 15 years(looking at OL and FB):

2005 SEA Shaun Alexander

OL Steve Hutchinson, OL Walter Jones, OL Walter Tobek

2004 PIT Jerome Bettis/Duce Staley

OL Alan Faneca, OL Jeff Hartings, OL Marvel Smith

2004 KC Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson

OL William Roaf, OL Will Shields, OL Brian Waters

2003 KC Priest Holmes

OL William Roaf, OL Will Shields, FB Tony Richardson

1996 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Larry Allen, OL Erik Williams, OL Nate Newton

1995 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Larry Allen, OL Ray Donaldson, OL Nate Newton

1994 DAL Emmitt Smith

OL Nate Newton, OL Mark Stepnoski, OL Mark Tuinei

1993 DAL Emmitt Smith

FB Daryl Johnson, OL Erik Williams, OL Nate Newton, OL Mark Stepnoski

Now, the Vikings have not had a season with 3 Pro Bowlers yet, but if Birk, Hutchinson, and Richardson perform as they have done in the past I think that bodes well for the Vikings' rushing game. Certainly, it does not appear that the Vikings are going to become the 90s Cowboys or 00s Chiefs in terms of running production, but they should be a lot better than they have been.

I've said it at least a dozen times this off-season. Taylor will be this year's version of Lamont Jordan. In many leagues Jordan slipped into the 3rd round and was taken after at least 20 other RB were selected. that's basically the same situation that Taylor will be in this year.

People keep pointing to Childress as a RBBC coach. In 7 years with the Eagles, he had only 2 years with a healthy RB1. Both years it was Duce Staley, and in those years Duce had almost 1600 total yards and 6-8 TD. (He ranked 10th and 15th in those seasons.)

Darrell Bevell takes over at OC coming over from the Packers. Green Bay semeed to have gotten Ahman Green some decent years the past few seasons. Granted, he was not OC at Green Bay but one would think that he still was part of a system that helped Green rank as a Top 5 RB.

Why is it a 3-headed hyrda in PHI when by your own recounting Staley, Buckhalter, and Westbrook all missed significant time with injuries across multiple seasons?

Again, using the Lamont Jordan comparison, OAK still ranked a paltry 31st in rushing attempts and 29th in rushing yards, yet he still ranked 9th last year.

The Vikings seemed to have TRIED to not give Moore the starting job and have done seemingly everything in their power to keep him from having a featured role. Maybe they will change their collective minds over him, but it sure doesn't look like that's in the immediate future.

I'm not suggesting that Taylor turns into Holmes, Emmitt, or Alexander. I am saying that if things work out, Taylor could be a Top 10 RB this season. Compared to the guys listed, Taylor's fantasy production could be 30-40% LESS than the uber studs and still be Top 10 (maybe even up to half the production depending upon the year). Teams would love to add a Pro Bowl linemen or fullback--let alnoe both in the same season. I doubt anyone would say that the Vikings rushing game got WORSE by adding Hutchinson and Richardson.

I explained this once already. Childress would have preferred to use a featured back. In his two healthy seasons in PHI, Duce Staley have about 1600 total yards and 6-8 total TD.

In the other seasons that Childress was OC in PHI, he had no choice but to use a variety of backs.

1999

Healthy Staley = 366 touches

2000

Injured Staley = 6 RB with at least 10 touches

2001

Banged up Staley = 229 touches with Correll Buckhalter filling in getting 142 touches

2002

Healthy Staley = 320 touches

2003

Staley holds out and is not 100%. Buckhalter fills in on occasion for 136 touches. Westbrook also gets 154 touches.

2004

Staley gone. Buckhalter blows an ACL. Westbrook default RB but limited to 12-13 carries. Dorsey Levens picked up off waivers as there are no other viable RB options.

2005

Buckhalter again blows an ACL and misses the season. Westbrook misses the end of the season. Moats plays the last few games.

Nowhere in here do I see a track record for a COMMITTEE approach to the running backs. The only varation on that is Westbrook. It's clear to me that the Eagles did not (and likely still do not) want Westbrook to be a workhorse back and prefer to use him as a 12-13 carry back with a ton of receptions.

Now jump to Minnesota. The team already said it hoped to get Taylor the ball 20-30 times a game. I would ignore the talk of 30 touches a game as that's just crazy talk, but 20 touches is not that out of the realm of possibility. 17 carries and 3 receptions seems attainable. That's 272 rushes and another 48 receptions--about what Staley was getting in his healthy seasons.

272 x 4.0 = 1,088 rushing yards

48 x 7.5 = 360 receiving yards

8 total TD

About 193 fantasy points. Last year that would have ranked 12th for RB. A few more yards or another 1-2 TD and he would have ranked in the Top 10 (would have been #9 with 10 more fantasy points).

That's what I see in my crystal ball for Taylor this year . . . IF HE WAKES UP AND DECIDES HE WANTS TO BE THE #1 RB IN MINNESOTA. If he wants to just phone it in and be lazy, that's another story.

Minnesota has given Moore 10 or more carries 11 times in 26 games played. In those games, he averaged 16.6 carries a game. But in his other 15 games, he only averaged 2.5 carries a game. Clearly if he is not filling in as the starter, he is an afterthought.

1) HC and OC: True, we don't know what the Vikes will do, but they have already said they hope to get Taylor the ball 20-30 times a game. I never buy into the 30 touches tlak, but 20 seems reasonable to me. Also, IMO the WR corps is somewhat run of the mill, and they certainly at this point don't appear to have a receiver that is in line for 100 receptions. They have 4 decent options but no one great. While others may argue otherwise, I think this improves the chances Taylor gets a steady diet of carrying the ball.

2) Most teams would be in trouble if the main QB went down to injury. At 38, Johnson will not beat Michael Vick in the 40 yard dash, but until he gets injured this is pure conjecture. Even if Johnson were to get hurt, that many times gives the RB more work, so that might not be the worst thing for Taylor.

3) From what I've seen, Moore is projected to be a special teamer and change of pace back. There has been some debate as to whether Fason is the #2 in MIN. If the team really wanted Moore to be the starter, they have had plenty of opportunity to do so in the pst and really have not embraced him as a featured back. I personally thought Moore was a decent option, but then they went out and gleefully signed Taylor.

4) "Reports of" and "whispers" are not the same. No one has come out and actually said "Taylor is not in shape." IIRC, there was an article saying that some people felt the team may have been disappointed in Taylor's conditioning upon arriving. This has been covered in several articles. Taylor himself has said the number of practices and pace in Minnesota is much more rigorous than it was in Baltimore. There are still many months until opening day. If he still is winded come September, then we can revisit this issue.

5) Unproven and can he last: This can be said of any rookie or any new starter, and while a valid concern, one that many RB have faced. In 11 games in BAL with 10 or more carries, Taylor averaged 17 carries, 67 rushing yards, and 20 receiving yards per game. If nothing changed at all (clearly that won't happen), he would get 1400 total yards over a full season--and remember, that was when he was not fully the go-to back. Certainly not apples to apples, but worth noting none the less.

IMO, Taylor should see the ball 18 times rushing and another 3 receiving per game. Split the difference and call it 21 times per game. If he were to play in all 16 games, that would be 336 touches.

He's currently going as the #21 RB off the board. Are there really 20 other RB that will see that many touches with a real chance to get even more? His ADP is 3.09 in 12-team leagues (at least for now).

IMO, this is Lamont Jordan revisited. People last year were saying the same things and Jordan was a 3rd round pick in many leagues.

I am in the huge minority here in that I have Taylor in my Top 10 for 2006. The team seems intent on getting him 20-30 touches a game. I doubt he sees many weeks with 30, but he shoud get 22-23 on average.

He's running behind 4-time Pro Bowler Matt Birk, 3-time Pro Bowler Steve Hutchinson, and 2-time Pro Bowler Tony Richardson. And TE Jim Kleinsasser is one of the better blocking tight ends around.

Add in that Whizzinator is gone, Michael Bennett is gone, and Moe Williams retired. That leaves Mewelde Moore (who has trouble staying healthy) and Ciatrick Fason (who basically is their shor yardage back).

I also don't see the WR corps as being the force to be reckoned with like former Minnesota teams. The Robinsons, Taylor, and Williamson are all ok but not awe inspiring. Taylor should see plenty of swing passes.

I've said it all off-season that Chester Taylor 2006 = Lamont Jordan 2005.

Unless Childress is completely blowing smoke, IMO the Vikes plan on using Taylor as their go to guy. Taylor inked a four-year, $14.1 million contract, with $5.6 million in guaranteed money. IMO, he's too costly to have as merely a backup.

Here were Taylor's stats from game with at least 10 carries over the span of his career . . .

Rushes, Rushing Yards, Receiving Yards, Total TD

10-45-25-0 vs ARI 2003

21-89-11-0 vs BUF 2004

18-78-18-0 vs PHI 2004

15-33-18-1 vs DAL 2004

16-61-24-0 vs NE 2004

23-139-25-1 vs CIN 2004

25-104-27-0 vs NYG 2004

11-32-24-0 vs NYJ 2005

19-59-26-0 vs PIT 2005

11-40-6-0 vs HOU 2005

20-59-14-0 vs DEN 2005

AVG: 17-67-20-0.18

Of interest is that the Vikings have said they think Taylor could get 25 touches a game. I doubt that will happen, but that is the story they are telling at this point.
Sold! Where do I need to go to get on the bandwagon? ;) Seriously, I think you have made some very great points and even if he's not top 10, I don't think he falls any lower than 15.

 
Yudkin said everything that I would say and a lot more, great post.

A few things that I would add though...a lot of people seems to be worried about a RBBC and I think people are confusing last year with this year. One has nothing to do with the other IMO. This is a new regime that went out and got their starter, have stated that he is their starter, stated that they want him to get the ball 20-30 times a game. I've seen nothing at all to indicate that the team has any plans for an RBBC or any kind of RB open competition and yet I see it posted time after time in Chester Taylor threads. He may not succeed but he will certainly have the opportunity and based on where he is going in drafts, he certainly has a chance to be a great find.

Also, according to the Ultimate SOS Minn has 8 "easy" games and 3 "hard" ones so this is another reason to like him.

Another thing no one has mentioned is that Minn plays indoors on turf and Chester is a quick back with good speed and should thrive indoors.

So let's recap.....

-starting rb

-top 5 line

-easy schedule

-coach that has indicated that he plans on running the ball

-skill set that matches with home stadium

He's seen as either feast or famine and I think he'll feast. He's screaming value.

1225-10

 
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Holy #### Yudkin, you sure you don't want to add anything else? :P

edit to add:

I haven't seen much on MM offseason wrist surgery...i assume its because there is nothing to report? I think it is worth noting that the guy is consistently banged up...
Didn't have time to write up new comments so just cut and pasted the old ones. Didn't realize it was so long . . .
I wasn't complaining, it just reinforced my decision to keep Chester in my keeper league
Keeping him, too... :yes: ...and at the minimum possible salary of $4 in my 12 team, 15 pos $200 auction cap keeper league. Now if I really had balls I would run with CT and LJ($11 ;) ) and draft #1 players at all the other positions.

Come ooon training camp! :banned:

 
Yudkin said everything that I would say and a lot more, great post.

A few things that I would add though...a lot of people seems to be worried about a RBBC and I think people are confusing last year with this year. One has nothing to do with the other IMO. This is a new regime that went out and got their starter, have stated that he is their starter, stated that they want him to get the ball 20-30 times a game. I've seen nothing at all to indicate that the team has any plans for an RBBC or any kind of RB open competition and yet I see it posted time after time in Chester Taylor threads. He may not succeed but he will certainly have the opportunity and based on where he is going in drafts, he certainly has a chance to be a great find.

Also, according to the Ultimate SOS Minn has 8 "easy" games and 3 "hard" ones so this is another reason to like him.

Another thing no one has mentioned is that Minn plays indoors on turf and Chester is a quick back with good speed and should thrive indoors.

So let's recap.....

-starting rb

-top 5 line

-easy schedule

-coach that has indicated that he plans on running the ball

-skill set that matches with home stadium

He's seen as either feast or famine and I think he'll feast. He's screaming value.

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:lmao: Is that funny to just me?
 
Yudkin said everything that I would say and a lot more, great post. 

A few things that I would add though...a lot of people seems to be worried about a RBBC and I think people are confusing last year with this year.  One has nothing to do with the other IMO.  This is a new regime that went out and got their starter, have stated that he is their starter, stated that they want him to get the ball 20-30 times a game.  I've seen nothing at all to indicate that the team has any plans for an RBBC or any kind of RB open competition and yet I see it posted time after time in Chester Taylor threads.  He may not succeed but he will certainly have the opportunity and based on where he is going in drafts, he certainly has a chance to be a great find.

Also, according to the Ultimate SOS Minn has 8 "easy" games and 3 "hard" ones so this is another reason to like him. 

Another thing no one has mentioned is that Minn plays indoors on turf and Chester is a quick back with good speed and should thrive indoors. 

So let's recap.....

-starting rb

-top 5 line

-easy schedule

-coach that has indicated that he plans on running the ball

-skill set that matches with home stadium

He's seen as either feast or famine and I think he'll feast.  He's screaming value.

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:lmao: Is that funny to just me?
:lmao: should have said nearly ;)
 
I am curious about the pre-season work-outs for Chester Taylor. The stories have almost all been negative, but the fact that Minnesota has improved their OL is undeniable. All the negative discussions could lead to some serious value.

It is definitely a situation that I will watch closely. For now, I am going to assume that Taylor keeps the starting gig and keeps Moore in a supporting role...

Taylor 280 carries 1120 yards 8 TDs with 35 catches for 280 yards and 2 TDs.

 
I fail to see why Chester Taylor is rated so highly. He is entering unknown territory and has only started eight games over the last four years. During that time he has scored four rushing TDs on 373 carries. This is a team that averaged 3.85 yards per carry last year, with eight rushing TDs. The addition of Steve Hutchinson should help somewhat, but I still don't see a big season for Taylor.

The team was reportedly unhappy with Taylor's conditioning when he reported to training camp. That has to be a warning sign considering Taylor's status as the starter is not absolutely assured at this point.

Brad Johnson and the passing game does not inspire me very much either. I think the Vikings could struggle in all areas of the game. We don't even know where Mewelde Moore fits into the picture, and Ciatrick Fason could easily be the goal line back.

There are too many doubts for me to consider Taylor at his current ADP of 33. I might upgrade him when I see how they intend to use him, but the Ravens let him go, and I think they did that for a reason.

Prediction

200 carries 850 yards 4 TDs

40 receptions 280 yards 0 TDs

 
That's what I see in my crystal ball for Taylor this year . . . IF HE WAKES UP AND DECIDES HE WANTS TO BE THE #1 RB IN MINNESOTA. If he wants to just phone it in and be lazy, that's another story.
There's your deal breaker. Not to try and defecate on your essay, but that and Moore being on the same roster about sum up his problem.I personally find his stats difficult to predict, because it's not a question of whether he'll be effective, but rather how ineffective he will be.

I already feel like Childress is going to bomb in MIN. I additionally feel that Taylor is ill-suited for a feature back role.

He could have the job for a few weeks, or he could get ring-around-the-rosied all season when Moore takes over and then gets hurt while the Vikings are 2-7 and looking at the NFC North cellar.

I'm still not sure what everyone sees in this guy.

If I was running behind five pro bowlers with Peyton Manning as my QB, would that make me 1000 yard back?

Too much focus here is on the factors around him, which are important, but they deterr from the fact that Taylor just isn't that great of a football player. He's got good hands, and he's got an okay set of moves.

132-523-2, (4.0ypc)

35-240-1, (6.9ypr)

These numbers obviously aren't feature back numbers. I give him a few games to start, and a perhaps a few more late in the season while this team is in disarray. The rest of the time he'll just be working in with Moore/Fason and whoever else Childress feels like handing the ball to.

 
It's difficult to look at Taylor's stats and try to extrapolate them because to date he has mostly been used situationally. While still flawed, I think another way to gauge how he may do is to look at the games where he was the featured back.

2004

He had 6 games where he had the majority of the carries

1. Vs. Buf: 21 carries/89 yards, 2 receptions/9 yards - 10 FP

2. Vs. Phi: 18/78, 4/18 - 9.6 FP

3. Vs. Dal: 15/33 (1TD), 4/18 - 11.1 FP

4. Vs. NE: 16/62, 5/24 - 8.5 FP

5. Vs. CIN: 23/139 (1TD), 4/18 - 22.4 FP

6. Vs. NYG: 25/104, 4/27 - 13.1 FP

2005

He had 2 games where he had the majority of the carries

1. Vs. PIT: 19/59, 4/26 - 8.5 FP (Jamal had 17 carries for 61 yards, so this really wasn't a "featured" role).

2. Vs. DEN: 20/59, 3/14 - 7.3 FP

So really he's had 7 games where he was featured. Over those games he averaged 11.7 FP's. While it's hard to draw any conclusions from such a small sample, I think I can reason that at least he didn't suck. And if he isn't sucking while starting for the Vikings, I think he keeps the job and puts up similar or better numbers.

 
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Mewelde Moore is going to outproduce Chester.

Taylor - 158/560/1 with 25/230/0

Moore - 178/830/4 with 45/350/2

Fason - 82/510/6 with 7/30/1

+ a running back controversy over whether Fason or Moore should start the next season.

 
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BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..
I don't know how much we can use the Philly offense as an indication which way the Vikings are going. If we go back to the Wisconsin days, Childress\Bevell leaned on Ron Dayne an awful lot.
True...Taylor has talent no doubt..but, there are so many rb's on that minnesota roster you have to wonder just HOW Taylor is going to get anywhere near 250 carries..Yudkin makes some GREAT points suppporting Taylor!

that line in Minnesota is one of the best in the league, and the Vikes have a fairly easy schedule, at least early on.

two things worry me about Taylor, however.

1. Taylor couldn't beat out a guy with chronic foot problems in Baltimore ( Jamal Lewis) , a guy who's YPC avg dropped to 3.4 last year, which begs the question: with all the negativity surrounding Jamal Lewis, why didn't Baltimore re-sign Taylor to a long term deal, instead of letting him walk? Clearly, Jamal is NOT what he used to be, and Mike Anderson isn't the answer..so why would they let a young guy like Taylor, walk?! I'm sure it wasn't a matter of the Ravens being salary cap strung and couldn't afford him. They saw Cleveland offer him a huge deal last year which they matched, but must've seen enough of him to know he is not in their long term plans..

The second thing would be: what happens to Taylor should Brad Johnson go down with injury and miss substantial amounts of playing time? Who's the backup to Johnson? Tavaris Jackson?! Remember, BJ has a long history of injuries, and was once considered

as fragile as Robert Smith..so , if Johnson , who is 38 on Sept 13th, does sustain an injury, Taylor is likely to see nothing but 8-man fronts.

there is some risk involved with drafting Chester Taylor

 
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BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..
I don't know how much we can use the Philly offense as an indication which way the Vikings are going. If we go back to the Wisconsin days, Childress\Bevell leaned on Ron Dayne an awful lot.
True...Taylor has talent no doubt..but, there are so many rb's on that minnesota roster you have to wonder just HOW Taylor is going to get anywhere near 250 carries..
So many RB? There's Taylor, Moore, and Fason. Bennett, Williams, and Smith are all out of the picture.
 
BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..
I don't know how much we can use the Philly offense as an indication which way the Vikings are going. If we go back to the Wisconsin days, Childress\Bevell leaned on Ron Dayne an awful lot.
True...Taylor has talent no doubt..but, there are so many rb's on that minnesota roster you have to wonder just HOW Taylor is going to get anywhere near 250 carries..
So many RB? There's Taylor, Moore, and Fason. Bennett, Williams, and Smith are all out of the picture.
understood..but even just Moore and Fason could steal some carries..Moore is a terrific receiver, which is what Childress LOVES to see with his RB's...you're posts about Taylor are good, I think he could be a top 15 guy without question..but there is a gamble involved, as always with taking a guy who has never been an NFL starter..Jordan did well, perhaps Taylor will too..

 
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BUST..

also, he plays for a coach who's done nothing but utilize the RBBC, HC Childress, and that strategy will continue in Minnesota this year, what with the 3,500 RB's they have on their roster..
I don't know how much we can use the Philly offense as an indication which way the Vikings are going. If we go back to the Wisconsin days, Childress\Bevell leaned on Ron Dayne an awful lot.
True...Taylor has talent no doubt..but, there are so many rb's on that minnesota roster you have to wonder just HOW Taylor is going to get anywhere near 250 carries..
So many RB? There's Taylor, Moore, and Fason. Bennett, Williams, and Smith are all out of the picture.
understood..but even just Moore and Fason could steal some carries..Moore is a terrific receiver, which is what Childress LOVES to see with is RB"s...you're posts about Taylor are good, I think he could be a top 15 guy without question..but there is a gamble involved, as always with taking a guy who has never been an NFL starter..Jordan did well, perhaps Taylor will too..
My concern with Moore is that the team could have stuck with Moore but went out and gobbled up Taylor almost as soon as he hit the open market.It doesn't make much sense to snag Taylor, pimp him as a 20-30 touch back, and send Moore to special teams if you really had aspirations of Moore playing a bigger role in the offense. IMO, if they really had an eye on Moore being the guy, they would have pimped him as the starter and gone out and got a cheap free agent as a safety net (like an A-Train or Antowain Smith). But they didn't.

Maybe Taylor turns into the next Trung Canidate, who knows. But he will have to earn every yard to start the season, starting off with games against WAS, CAR, and CHI.

 
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Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD
Amen to that, brother H.K. !I was poo-pooed when trying to tell everyone that Taylor isn't a Top 10 back this year....no how, no way

...many of the same folks poo-pooed me last year around this time when I authored "Jamal Lewis....Buyer beware" thread

I layed out 10 months worth of observation that had me believe Lewis would struggle last season, and most thought I was nuts for suggesting anything lower than RB10 or 12 for Lewis

while there isn't quite the drama and physical problems surrounding CT this offseason, again my observations go back ~10 months on this guy, to where he skipped practice (does he think he's AI? :P ), #####ed about playing time, etc--you know the drill

I think there will be more of a RBBC approach in Minny this year, as Taylor just doesn't seem to be a 400 touch guy to me

hell....I think 300 will be 50-50, at best for him

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49-445-2

while 1500 combined might be in the cards for Taylor, I certainly don't see a TD every other week for him

the 175 FF points....I must be crazy :loco:

 
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Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD
Amen to that, brother H.K. !I was poo-pooed when trying to tell everyone that Taylor isn't a Top 10 back this year....no how, no way

...many of the same folks poo-pooed me last year around this time when I authored "Jamal Lewis....Buyer beware" thread

I layed out 10 months worth of observation that had me believe Lewis would struggle last season, and most thought I was nuts for suggesting anything lower than RB10 or 12 for Lewis

while there isn't quite the drama and physical problems surrounding CT this offseason, again my observations go back ~10 months on this guy, to where he skipped practice (does he think he's AI? :P ), #####ed about playing time, etc--you know the drill

I think there will be more of a RBBC approach in Minny this year, as Taylor just doesn't seem to be a 400 touch guy to me

hell....I think 300 will be 50-50, at best for him

245-1005-4

49-445-2

while 1500 combined might be in the cards for Taylor, I certainly don't see a TD every other week for him
Using your math, that's 181 fantasy points. That would have ranked 13th last year. Still not bad for a guy getting drafted in the RB 20s.
 
Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD
Amen to that, brother H.K. !I was poo-pooed when trying to tell everyone that Taylor isn't a Top 10 back this year....no how, no way

...many of the same folks poo-pooed me last year around this time when I authored "Jamal Lewis....Buyer beware" thread

I layed out 10 months worth of observation that had me believe Lewis would struggle last season, and most thought I was nuts for suggesting anything lower than RB10 or 12 for Lewis

while there isn't quite the drama and physical problems surrounding CT this offseason, again my observations go back ~10 months on this guy, to where he skipped practice (does he think he's AI? :P ), #####ed about playing time, etc--you know the drill

I think there will be more of a RBBC approach in Minny this year, as Taylor just doesn't seem to be a 400 touch guy to me

hell....I think 300 will be 50-50, at best for him

245-1005-4

49-445-2

while 1500 combined might be in the cards for Taylor, I certainly don't see a TD every other week for him
Using your math, that's 181 fantasy points. That would have ranked 13th last year. Still not bad for a guy getting drafted in the RB 20s.
as you very well know David, there are usually many things that influence the final totals for the year as compared to the projections....many "projected" super numbers for the Padre last year, and little for LJmy Holmes numbers were tempered as compared to the projections of most, while I had a little higher number than most on LJ---backed up by my actions in drafting Johnson 1.12 in a startup dynasty league last year, BTW

true, that the projected numbers for Taylor, if everything falls his way, would total 181 and place him @RB13 at years end, '05 season

:inmybestLeeCorso:

not so fast, my friend!

in order:

WMcGahee

WParker

RDroughns

CDillon

DDavis

BWestbrook

CWilliams

CBrown

JJones

TBell

RBrown

DFoster

JLewis

RB's 13-25

I'll take 85% of those guys over Taylor...probably Dillon, Brown and possibly Brown get passed over, but I'd certainly rate the other backs higher---and have projected more for them also

when we project players, we assume "best case senario" for the guy...as I have for Taylor

ask me to start assigning a weighted % on each guys numbers as to "how sure I am" they'll hit them, then a more "probable" actual fantasy total can be attained

I don't go into this in my projections---I still use my highest rated players while drafting, which is prudent

totally errouneous of you to take my CT "best case senario projection" and say "see, using your numbers he's RB13...I'm right!"

I have 20 other guys rated and projected ahead of him--I don't have to try to please the masses w/my projections, I only use them to measure top end potential of 1 player to another, for VBD purposes

not impossible for CT to get the 181 points---but EVERYTHING has to break right for him, and I have a bunch of other guys I'd rather put my RB2 hopes on

...for him to crack the top 12 (therefore be deemed RB1 material) is very unlikely, IMO

 
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Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD
Amen to that, brother H.K. !I was poo-pooed when trying to tell everyone that Taylor isn't a Top 10 back this year....no how, no way

...many of the same folks poo-pooed me last year around this time when I authored "Jamal Lewis....Buyer beware" thread

I layed out 10 months worth of observation that had me believe Lewis would struggle last season, and most thought I was nuts for suggesting anything lower than RB10 or 12 for Lewis

while there isn't quite the drama and physical problems surrounding CT this offseason, again my observations go back ~10 months on this guy, to where he skipped practice (does he think he's AI? :P ), #####ed about playing time, etc--you know the drill

I think there will be more of a RBBC approach in Minny this year, as Taylor just doesn't seem to be a 400 touch guy to me

hell....I think 300 will be 50-50, at best for him

245-1005-4

49-445-2

while 1500 combined might be in the cards for Taylor, I certainly don't see a TD every other week for him
Using your math, that's 181 fantasy points. That would have ranked 13th last year. Still not bad for a guy getting drafted in the RB 20s.
as you very well know David, there are usually many things that influence the final totals for the year as compared to the projections....many "projected" super numbers for the Padre last year, and little for LJmy Holmes numbers were tempered as compared to the projections of most, while I had a little higher number than most on LJ---backed up by my actions in drafting Johnson 1.12 in a startup dynasty league last year, BTW

true, that the projected numbers for Taylor, if everything falls his way, would total 181 and place him @RB13 at years end, '05 season

:inmybestLeeCorso:

not so fast, my friend!

in order:

WMcGahee

WParker

RDroughns

CDillon

DDavis

BWestbrook

CWilliams

CBrown

JJones

TBell

RBrown

DFoster

JLewis

RB's 13-25

I'll take 85% of those guys over Taylor...probably Dillon, Brown and possibly Brown get passed over, but I'd certainly rate the other backs higher---and have projected more for them also

when we project players, we assume "best case senario" for the guy...as I have for Taylor

ask me to start assigning a weighted % on each guys numbers as to "how sure I am" they'll hit them, then a more "probable" actual fantasy total can be attained

I don't go into this in my projections---I still use my highest rated players while drafting, which is prudent

totally errouneous of you to take my CT "best case senario projection" and say "see, using your numbers he's RB13...I'm right!"

I have 20 other guys rated and projected ahead of him--I don't have to try to please the masses w/my projections, I only use them to measure top end potential of 1 player to another, for VBD purposes

not impossible for CT to get the 181 points---but EVERYTHING has to break right for him, and I have a bunch of other guys I'd rather put my RB2 hopes on

...for him to crack the top 12 (therefore be deemed RB1 material) is very unlikely, IMO
This is part of the problems I have with projections. Many people use high side numbers but never state that in their posts, so if Taylor is really a RB20+ (as in your case), your projections pose a potential problem for using an averge of projections posted. I'm not knocking your opinion or your projections, but if you have almost 20 guys getting 200 points a year, we all know that that won't happen.I tend touse more "real world" numbers in projections (ie only so many backs get 300 points, 250, 200, etc. in line with a typical year).

So if I project Taylor at 180 points, there will not be 20 guys higher than that. Maybe that's just how I do it, so that's where we're off by so much.

 
Initially it looked like Taylor was in a great situation when he first landed in Minnesota. However, his attitude looks like it will destroy his opportunity.

When in Baltimore, Taylor was a malcontent who skipped a few practices toward the end of the season. Then Chester received a $5 Million dollar lottery ticket in the form of a signing bonus from the Vikings as a free agent over the winter. Since that time the team has questioned his dedication, motivation and physical preparation.

On the flip side, Mewelde Moore has done nothing but produce when given the chance.

More than likely we'll see RBBC to start the year in a last ditch attempt to motivate CT, but eventually Moore will win the job and get the bulk of the work.

126 carries

478 yards

2 TD

17 rec

124 yards

0 TD
Amen to that, brother H.K. !I was poo-pooed when trying to tell everyone that Taylor isn't a Top 10 back this year....no how, no way

...many of the same folks poo-pooed me last year around this time when I authored "Jamal Lewis....Buyer beware" thread

I layed out 10 months worth of observation that had me believe Lewis would struggle last season, and most thought I was nuts for suggesting anything lower than RB10 or 12 for Lewis

while there isn't quite the drama and physical problems surrounding CT this offseason, again my observations go back ~10 months on this guy, to where he skipped practice (does he think he's AI? :P ), #####ed about playing time, etc--you know the drill

I think there will be more of a RBBC approach in Minny this year, as Taylor just doesn't seem to be a 400 touch guy to me

hell....I think 300 will be 50-50, at best for him

245-1005-4

49-445-2

while 1500 combined might be in the cards for Taylor, I certainly don't see a TD every other week for him
Using your math, that's 181 fantasy points. That would have ranked 13th last year. Still not bad for a guy getting drafted in the RB 20s.
as you very well know David, there are usually many things that influence the final totals for the year as compared to the projections....many "projected" super numbers for the Padre last year, and little for LJmy Holmes numbers were tempered as compared to the projections of most, while I had a little higher number than most on LJ---backed up by my actions in drafting Johnson 1.12 in a startup dynasty league last year, BTW

true, that the projected numbers for Taylor, if everything falls his way, would total 181 and place him @RB13 at years end, '05 season

:inmybestLeeCorso:

not so fast, my friend!

in order:

WMcGahee

WParker

RDroughns

CDillon

DDavis

BWestbrook

CWilliams

CBrown

JJones

TBell

RBrown

DFoster

JLewis

RB's 13-25

I'll take 85% of those guys over Taylor...probably Dillon, Brown and possibly Brown get passed over, but I'd certainly rate the other backs higher---and have projected more for them also

when we project players, we assume "best case senario" for the guy...as I have for Taylor

ask me to start assigning a weighted % on each guys numbers as to "how sure I am" they'll hit them, then a more "probable" actual fantasy total can be attained

I don't go into this in my projections---I still use my highest rated players while drafting, which is prudent

totally errouneous of you to take my CT "best case senario projection" and say "see, using your numbers he's RB13...I'm right!"

I have 20 other guys rated and projected ahead of him--I don't have to try to please the masses w/my projections, I only use them to measure top end potential of 1 player to another, for VBD purposes

not impossible for CT to get the 181 points---but EVERYTHING has to break right for him, and I have a bunch of other guys I'd rather put my RB2 hopes on

...for him to crack the top 12 (therefore be deemed RB1 material) is very unlikely, IMO
This is part of the problems I have with projections. Many people use high side numbers but never state that in their posts, so if Taylor is really a RB20+ (as in your case), your projections pose a potential problem for using an averge of projections posted. I'm not knocking your opinion or your projections, but if you have almost 20 guys getting 200 points a year, we all know that that won't happen.I tend touse more "real world" numbers in projections (ie only so many backs get 300 points, 250, 200, etc. in line with a typical year).

So if I project Taylor at 180 points, there will not be 20 guys higher than that. Maybe that's just how I do it, so that's where we're off by so much.
Good post.Personally I never use high side numbers as it is unrealistic.

 

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