Player Spotlight: Derek Anderson (1 Viewer)

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Derek Anderson, Cleveland QB:

Projection: 3650 26 Td's, 19 INT's 70 yards rushing and 1 TD

I love projecting and debating players like Derek Anderson. Forget the Peyton Manning's and the Tom Brady's..we know what they're going to do for the most part. It's guys like Derek Anderson where fantasy football players stake their claim.

Does this guy have the goods or doesn't he. With Derek Anderson, you actually have to look at more than does he have the goods, as the Browns drafted a promising QB in the 1st round last year who hasn't really received a shot to show what he can do.

After the start last season, most football gurus wrote the Browns off. However, little did anyone know that the young offensive line and QB would get it together with a talented WR out of Michigan in B. Edwards and a TE just waiting to break out in Winslow.

I truly believe Cleveland wins the division this year and Anderson has another solid year. I saw nothing that would lead me to believe that he would regress. I've never rooted for the Cleveland Browns in my life and I find myself slightly rooting for them in games normally I wouldn't care who won. You may ask where does that leave Quinn?? I say that's a topic for another Player Spotlight.

 

[Burning Sensation]

How many first year starters have had a season as good as Anderson's?

Kurt WarnerDaunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer

Ken O'Brien

Mark Rypien

Chad Pennington

Boomer Esiason

Joe Montana

Roger Staubach

Philip Rivers

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder

Jay Cutler

Greg Landry

Others:

Dan Marino

Tony Romo

Vince Ferragamo

James Harris

Pat Haden

Marc Bulger

Tony Eason

Ken Stabler

Ben Roethlisberger

Bob Lee

Other good season:

Trent Green

Jim Kelly

Brett Favre

Stan Humphries

Warren Moon

Jake Delhomme

Steve Beuerlein

Tom Brady

Randall Cunningham

Ty Detmer

Tommy Maddox

Dieter Brock

Jim Plunkett

Dennis Shaw

Jim Harbaugh

Brian Sipe

Rob Johnson

Charlie Batch

Ken Anderson

Bobby Hebert

Matt Schaub

Neil O'Donnell

Jeff Hostetler

Jeff Kemp

Eric Hipple

Steve Spurrier

Matt Robinson

Wade Wilson

Dave Krieg

I didnt ask how many first year starters had a decent season. I asked as good as Anderson's, which most of the players on the list do not qualify.

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

Derick Anderson - 3787 pass yards, 70 rush yards, 32 TD'sEveryone on the first line:

Kurt Warner

Daunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer - 3838 pass yards, 35 rush yards, 30 TD's

Ken O'Brien - 3888 pass yards, 58 rush yards, 25 TD's

Mark Rypien - 3768 pass yards, 56 rush yards, 23 TD's

Chad Pennington - 3120 pass yards, 29 rush yards, 24 TD's

Boomer Esiason - 3443 pass yards, 79 rush yards, 28 TD's

Joe Montana - 3565 pass yards, 95 rush yards, 21 TD's

Roger Staubach - 1882 pass yards, 343 rush yards, 17 TD's

Philip Rivers - 3388 pass yards, 49 rush yards, 22 TD's

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder - 4109 pass yards, 47 rush yards, 23 TD's

Jay Cutler - 3497 pass yards, 205 rush yards 21 TD's

Greg Landry - 2237 pass yards, 530 rush yards, 19 TD's

Well, if by everyone you mean 3 of the 14, then you are right. However, if you use the same definition of the word "everyone" as most people do, you would be horribly incorrect.

Yes, Anderson's season of zero interceptions was very impressive.

Did the guys on your list not throw any Ints? What exactly are you basing your thought that the first list of players is better anyway? Anderson had more FF points than all but three of the players you listed.

 

[Chase Stuart]

How many first year starters have had a season as good as Anderson's?

Kurt WarnerDaunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer

Ken O'Brien

Mark Rypien

Chad Pennington

Boomer Esiason

Joe Montana

Roger Staubach

Philip Rivers

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder

Jay Cutler

Greg Landry

Others:

Dan Marino

Tony Romo

Vince Ferragamo

James Harris

Pat Haden

Marc Bulger

Tony Eason

Ken Stabler

Ben Roethlisberger

Bob Lee

Other good season:

Trent Green

Jim Kelly

Brett Favre

Stan Humphries

Warren Moon

Jake Delhomme

Steve Beuerlein

Tom Brady

Randall Cunningham

Ty Detmer

Tommy Maddox

Dieter Brock

Jim Plunkett

Dennis Shaw

Jim Harbaugh

Brian Sipe

Rob Johnson

Charlie Batch

Ken Anderson

Bobby Hebert

Matt Schaub

Neil O'Donnell

Jeff Hostetler

Jeff Kemp

Eric Hipple

Steve Spurrier

Matt Robinson

Wade Wilson

Dave Krieg

I didnt ask how many first year starters had a decent season. I asked as good as Anderson's, which most of the players on the list do not qualify.

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

Derick Anderson - 3787 pass yards, 70 rush yards, 32 TD'sEveryone on the first line:

Kurt Warner

Daunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer - 3838 pass yards, 35 rush yards, 30 TD's

Ken O'Brien - 3888 pass yards, 58 rush yards, 25 TD's

Mark Rypien - 3768 pass yards, 56 rush yards, 23 TD's

Chad Pennington - 3120 pass yards, 29 rush yards, 24 TD's

Boomer Esiason - 3443 pass yards, 79 rush yards, 28 TD's

Joe Montana - 3565 pass yards, 95 rush yards, 21 TD's

Roger Staubach - 1882 pass yards, 343 rush yards, 17 TD's

Philip Rivers - 3388 pass yards, 49 rush yards, 22 TD's

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder - 4109 pass yards, 47 rush yards, 23 TD's

Jay Cutler - 3497 pass yards, 205 rush yards 21 TD's

Greg Landry - 2237 pass yards, 530 rush yards, 19 TD's

Well, if by everyone you mean 3 of the 14, then you are right. However, if you use the same definition of the word "everyone" as most people do, you would be horribly incorrect.

Yes, Anderson's season of zero interceptions was very impressive.

Did the guys on your list not throw any Ints? What exactly are you basing your thought that the first list of players is better anyway? Anderson had more FF points than all but three of the players you listed.

I don't think FF points is the be-all, end-all stat for judging QBs.My point was the other guys on that list -- with their combination of passing yards, touchdowns, interceptions, attempts and era -- were more impressive or equally impressive as Derek Anderson. If don't think it's arguable that Joe Montana's 7.3 yards per attempt, and 2.5% interception rate in an era where the league averaged about fewer yards per pass and about 25% more INTs wasn't more impressive than Anderson's 7.2 yards per attempt and 3.6% interception rate in a much friendlier era, regardless of how many more FP Anderson scored.

Anderson's stats were nice, but recognize that he still only had an 82 QB Rating. He averaged just 6.1 adjusted yards per attempt, which is only a little bit better than league average. Anderson's gaudy TD totals were nice, and he led the league in yards per completion. But he throw a lot of INTs and incompletions, too. And when you compare his numbers to his peers, it really wasn't that amazing. There are lots of first year starters that have been top 10 QBs in the league that year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

How many first year starters have had a season as good as Anderson's?

Kurt WarnerDaunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer

Ken O'Brien

Mark Rypien

Chad Pennington

Boomer Esiason

Joe Montana

Roger Staubach

Philip Rivers

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder

Jay Cutler

Greg Landry

Others:

Dan Marino

Tony Romo

Vince Ferragamo

James Harris

Pat Haden

Marc Bulger

Tony Eason

Ken Stabler

Ben Roethlisberger

Bob Lee

Other good season:

Trent Green

Jim Kelly

Brett Favre

Stan Humphries

Warren Moon

Jake Delhomme

Steve Beuerlein

Tom Brady

Randall Cunningham

Ty Detmer

Tommy Maddox

Dieter Brock

Jim Plunkett

Dennis Shaw

Jim Harbaugh

Brian Sipe

Rob Johnson

Charlie Batch

Ken Anderson

Bobby Hebert

Matt Schaub

Neil O'Donnell

Jeff Hostetler

Jeff Kemp

Eric Hipple

Steve Spurrier

Matt Robinson

Wade Wilson

Dave Krieg

I didnt ask how many first year starters had a decent season. I asked as good as Anderson's, which most of the players on the list do not qualify.

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

Derick Anderson - 3787 pass yards, 70 rush yards, 32 TD'sEveryone on the first line:

Kurt Warner

Daunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer - 3838 pass yards, 35 rush yards, 30 TD's

Ken O'Brien - 3888 pass yards, 58 rush yards, 25 TD's

Mark Rypien - 3768 pass yards, 56 rush yards, 23 TD's

Chad Pennington - 3120 pass yards, 29 rush yards, 24 TD's

Boomer Esiason - 3443 pass yards, 79 rush yards, 28 TD's

Joe Montana - 3565 pass yards, 95 rush yards, 21 TD's

Roger Staubach - 1882 pass yards, 343 rush yards, 17 TD's

Philip Rivers - 3388 pass yards, 49 rush yards, 22 TD's

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder - 4109 pass yards, 47 rush yards, 23 TD's

Jay Cutler - 3497 pass yards, 205 rush yards 21 TD's

Greg Landry - 2237 pass yards, 530 rush yards, 19 TD's

Well, if by everyone you mean 3 of the 14, then you are right. However, if you use the same definition of the word "everyone" as most people do, you would be horribly incorrect.

Yes, Anderson's season of zero interceptions was very impressive.

Did the guys on your list not throw any Ints? What exactly are you basing your thought that the first list of players is better anyway? Anderson had more FF points than all but three of the players you listed.

I don't think FF points is the be-all, end-all stat for judging QBs.My point was the other guys on that list -- with their combination of passing yards, touchdowns, interceptions, attempts and era -- were more impressive or equally impressive as Derek Anderson. If don't think it's arguable that Joe Montana's 7.3 yards per attempt, and 2.5% interception rate in an era where the league averaged about fewer yards per pass and about 25% more INTs wasn't more impressive than Anderson's 7.2 yards per attempt and 3.6% interception rate in a much friendlier era, regardless of how many more FP Anderson scored.

Anderson's stats were nice, but recognize that he still only had an 82 QB Rating. He averaged just 6.1 adjusted yards per attempt, which is only a little bit better than league average. Anderson's gaudy TD totals were nice, and he led the league in yards per completion. But he throw a lot of INTs and incompletions, too. And when you compare his numbers to his peers, it really wasn't that amazing. There are lots of first year starters that have been top 10 QBs in the league that year.

Lets us not forget W/L record. Anderson was 10-5 as the starter, i think that should count for something as well.Also, you said this:

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

You stated it is as if it were fact. Not only is it not true, but i dont even see an argument for some of those players, even if based on your own criteria.I know this thread and web site is not just for FF, but most people using the info here are using it for exactly that. So using FF production is probably a good way to measure who is better than who.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I will say though that given Anderson's new contract, he's very entrenched this year. He would have to be downright awful for the Browns to make a change to Quinn IMHO. And by awful I mean a lot worse than 56.5% completion rates and 3.8% interception rates IMHO.

Boy I wonder how patient the Browns will be if Anderson struggles. This is a franchise that benched and then traded its' starter in 2007 after a bad half of football in its' first game. I think the expectations in Cleveland this year are off the charts. The Browns traded their future (2008 draft picks & Leigh Bodden) for the here and now (D-linemen). There will be tremendous pressure on Crennel and DA to live up to these new expectations coming off a 10-6 season...and they have Dallas and Pittsburgh at home to open the season.

It's worth pointing out, I think, that four times in NFL history a team drafted a QB in the first round, another QB on the roster made the Pro Bowl that coming season, and the rookie QB and the Pro Bowler were both on the roster the next year (I'm including Rivers in this study, even though technically he wasn't drafted by the Chargers).None of the four QBs lost their job; only one of the sophomore QBs played for any significant amount of time at all, and that was due to injury. Pro Bowl QBs just aren't benched for unproven QBs.

Also worth mentioning (and perhaps more relevant) that the Browns have had 6 different QBs lead them in passing over the past 6 seasons.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

The Browns will likely put up very nice passing numbers as a team in 2008/moving forward. They have too many offensive weapons not to. I definitely think that Derek Anderson will have a short leash, however. The Browns traded up to get Brady Quinn in the 1st round, he is Savage and Crennel's hand-picked guy, he is a hometown hero in OH, and I personally think that he (Quinn) has the tools to be a darn good NFL QB. Anderson will have to be lights-out to hold him off this year, IMO, and I don't know that Derek Anderson is anything more than a decent player in a great situation.

I'm not going to post projections for Anderson, because I think that he'll have trouble holding on to his job, but think that Cleveland as a team will throw for close to 4000/30 in 2008. If you draft Anderson, I think that Quinn is a must-have handcuff.

 

[T Bell]

I will say though that given Anderson's new contract, he's very entrenched this year. He would have to be downright awful for the Browns to make a change to Quinn IMHO. And by awful I mean a lot worse than 56.5% completion rates and 3.8% interception rates IMHO.

Boy I wonder how patient the Browns will be if Anderson struggles. This is a franchise that benched and then traded its' starter in 2007 after a bad half of football in its' first game. I think the expectations in Cleveland this year are off the charts. The Browns traded their future (2008 draft picks & Leigh Bodden) for the here and now (D-linemen). There will be tremendous pressure on Crennel and DA to live up to these new expectations coming off a 10-6 season...and they have Dallas and Pittsburgh at home to open the season.

It's worth pointing out, I think, that four times in NFL history a team drafted a QB in the first round, another QB on the roster made the Pro Bowl that coming season, and the rookie QB and the Pro Bowler were both on the roster the next year (I'm including Rivers in this study, even though technically he wasn't drafted by the Chargers).None of the four QBs lost their job; only one of the sophomore QBs played for any significant amount of time at all, and that was due to injury. Pro Bowl QBs just aren't benched for unproven QBs.

Also worth mentioning (and perhaps more relevant) that the Browns have had 6 different QBs lead them in passing over the past 6 seasons.

That's amazing, and it shows how stiff the competition has been in Cleveland for the QB job.

 

[Lord Lucan]

There was one thing I noticed watching Anderson; however, it needs to be taken with a big pinch of salt as it was when he was playing in the Pro Bowl. But he seemed to have serious accuracy issues throwing to his right hand side. Several plays called for short-range passes to the right, sometimes very shallow patterns, and he was missing the receiver by yards time after time I went and checked out his spilts via ESPN and this is what his record was last year:

left side - 69.2% completions, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, passer rating 102.7

left sideline - 55.4% completion rate, 10 TDs, 1 Int, passer rating 109.3

right side - 57% completion rate, 4 TDs, 3 Ints, passer rating 71.8

right sideline - 50.4% completion rate, 4 TDs, 7 Ints, passer rating 57.0

I know Braylon Edwards tends to line up on the left which would explain those statistics to a degree - but if I can find these stats out just after watching a few minutes of an exhibition game I reckon defensive scouts across the league will be making the most of them too.

 

[Fallerjw]

How many first year starters have had a season as good as Anderson's?

Kurt WarnerDaunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer

Ken O'Brien

Mark Rypien

Chad Pennington

Boomer Esiason

Joe Montana

Roger Staubach

Philip Rivers

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder

Jay Cutler

Greg Landry

Others:

Dan Marino

Tony Romo

Vince Ferragamo

James Harris

Pat Haden

Marc Bulger

Tony Eason

Ken Stabler

Ben Roethlisberger

Bob Lee

Other good season:

Trent Green

Jim Kelly

Brett Favre

Stan Humphries

Warren Moon

Jake Delhomme

Steve Beuerlein

Tom Brady

Randall Cunningham

Ty Detmer

Tommy Maddox

Dieter Brock

Jim Plunkett

Dennis Shaw

Jim Harbaugh

Brian Sipe

Rob Johnson

Charlie Batch

Ken Anderson

Bobby Hebert

Matt Schaub

Neil O'Donnell

Jeff Hostetler

Jeff Kemp

Eric Hipple

Steve Spurrier

Matt Robinson

Wade Wilson

Dave Krieg

I didnt ask how many first year starters had a decent season. I asked as good as Anderson's, which most of the players on the list do not qualify.

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

Derick Anderson - 3787 pass yards, 70 rush yards, 32 TD'sEveryone on the first line:

Kurt Warner

Daunte Culpepper

Erik Kramer - 3838 pass yards, 35 rush yards, 30 TD's

Ken O'Brien - 3888 pass yards, 58 rush yards, 25 TD's

Mark Rypien - 3768 pass yards, 56 rush yards, 23 TD's

Chad Pennington - 3120 pass yards, 29 rush yards, 24 TD's

Boomer Esiason - 3443 pass yards, 79 rush yards, 28 TD's

Joe Montana - 3565 pass yards, 95 rush yards, 21 TD's

Roger Staubach - 1882 pass yards, 343 rush yards, 17 TD's

Philip Rivers - 3388 pass yards, 49 rush yards, 22 TD's

Michael Vick

Jay Schroeder - 4109 pass yards, 47 rush yards, 23 TD's

Jay Cutler - 3497 pass yards, 205 rush yards 21 TD's

Greg Landry - 2237 pass yards, 530 rush yards, 19 TD's

Well, if by everyone you mean 3 of the 14, then you are right. However, if you use the same definition of the word "everyone" as most people do, you would be horribly incorrect.

Yes, Anderson's season of zero interceptions was very impressive.

Did the guys on your list not throw any Ints? What exactly are you basing your thought that the first list of players is better anyway? Anderson had more FF points than all but three of the players you listed.

I don't think FF points is the be-all, end-all stat for judging QBs.My point was the other guys on that list -- with their combination of passing yards, touchdowns, interceptions, attempts and era -- were more impressive or equally impressive as Derek Anderson. If don't think it's arguable that Joe Montana's 7.3 yards per attempt, and 2.5% interception rate in an era where the league averaged about fewer yards per pass and about 25% more INTs wasn't more impressive than Anderson's 7.2 yards per attempt and 3.6% interception rate in a much friendlier era, regardless of how many more FP Anderson scored.

Anderson's stats were nice, but recognize that he still only had an 82 QB Rating. He averaged just 6.1 adjusted yards per attempt, which is only a little bit better than league average. Anderson's gaudy TD totals were nice, and he led the league in yards per completion. But he throw a lot of INTs and incompletions, too. And when you compare his numbers to his peers, it really wasn't that amazing. There are lots of first year starters that have been top 10 QBs in the league that year.

Lets us not forget W/L record. Anderson was 10-5 as the starter, i think that should count for something as well.Also, you said this:

Everyone on the first line had a better season.

You stated it is as if it were fact. Not only is it not true, but i dont even see an argument for some of those players, even if based on your own criteria.I know this thread and web site is not just for FF, but most people using the info here are using it for exactly that. So using FF production is probably a good way to measure who is better than who.

Is this the right place to use this? :X

 

[DawnBTVS]

I think he'll manage to hold onto the job and improve on last season. He's still young (25 IIRC) and has added Donte Stallworth as yet another weapon to go with: Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow Jr., and Jamal Lewis. Granted, he does have a hard SOS but we've seen time and time again that SOS can be just as fluctuating during the season.

As QB 11 on my board...

305/512 (59.57%) for 3635 yards and 24 TD vs. 17 INT. 24 carries for 41 yards (1.71) and 1 TD.

FP Total: 265.50

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think he'll manage to hold onto the job and improve on last season. He's still young (25 IIRC) and has added Donte Stallworth as yet another weapon to go with: Braylon Edwards, Kellen Winslow Jr., and Jamal Lewis. Granted, he does have a hard SOS but we've seen time and time again that SOS can be just as fluctuating during the season.

As QB 11 on my board...

305/512 (59.57%) for 3635 yards and 24 TD vs. 17 INT. 24 carries for 41 yards (1.71) and 1 TD.

FP Total: 265.50

Reasonable projections, but that is not an improvement on last season. Its almost 20% less than last year.

 

[Tau837]

There was one thing I noticed watching Anderson; however, it needs to be taken with a big pinch of salt as it was when he was playing in the Pro Bowl. But he seemed to have serious accuracy issues throwing to his right hand side. Several plays called for short-range passes to the right, sometimes very shallow patterns, and he was missing the receiver by yards time after time I went and checked out his spilts via ESPN and this is what his record was last year:left side - 69.2% completions, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, passer rating 102.7left sideline - 55.4% completion rate, 10 TDs, 1 Int, passer rating 109.3right side - 57% completion rate, 4 TDs, 3 Ints, passer rating 71.8right sideline - 50.4% completion rate, 4 TDs, 7 Ints, passer rating 57.0I know Braylon Edwards tends to line up on the left which would explain those statistics to a degree - but if I can find these stats out just after watching a few minutes of an exhibition game I reckon defensive scouts across the league will be making the most of them too.

Interesting info. Of course, the flip side to you last statement is that the Browns will make the most of this information as well, by helping Anderson to work on whatever his problem is throwing to the right (e.g., footwork?).

 

[Verbal Kint]

Fact is he doesn't have great accuracy...only 56.5% completions. I think he will lose his job to Brady Quinn and to project an entire year out for him is just simply foolish. He will get drafted too high. The Shark move is to draft Brady Quinn late and 1 spot ahead of whoever takes Anderson. Stats: Incomplete

Totally agree. Last year he had surprise and a cake schedule on his side. He won't have either this year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

There was one thing I noticed watching Anderson; however, it needs to be taken with a big pinch of salt as it was when he was playing in the Pro Bowl. But he seemed to have serious accuracy issues throwing to his right hand side. Several plays called for short-range passes to the right, sometimes very shallow patterns, and he was missing the receiver by yards time after time I went and checked out his spilts via ESPN and this is what his record was last year:left side - 69.2% completions, 9 TDs, 6 Ints, passer rating 102.7left sideline - 55.4% completion rate, 10 TDs, 1 Int, passer rating 109.3right side - 57% completion rate, 4 TDs, 3 Ints, passer rating 71.8right sideline - 50.4% completion rate, 4 TDs, 7 Ints, passer rating 57.0I know Braylon Edwards tends to line up on the left which would explain those statistics to a degree - but if I can find these stats out just after watching a few minutes of an exhibition game I reckon defensive scouts across the league will be making the most of them too.

Interesting info. Of course, the flip side to you last statement is that the Browns will make the most of this information as well, by helping Anderson to work on whatever his problem is throwing to the right (e.g., footwork?).

I wonder if this is the case, even if not as drastic, for most right handed QB's.

 

[Tau837]

The Browns will likely put up very nice passing numbers as a team in 2008/moving forward. They have too many offensive weapons not to. I definitely think that Derek Anderson will have a short leash, however. The Browns traded up to get Brady Quinn in the 1st round, he is Savage and Crennel's hand-picked guy, he is a hometown hero in OH, and I personally think that he (Quinn) has the tools to be a darn good NFL QB. Anderson will have to be lights-out to hold him off this year, IMO, and I don't know that Derek Anderson is anything more than a decent player in a great situation.

I disagree with this, for these reasons:1. Things are different today than when Savage and Crennel traded up to get Quinn. Good GMs and coaches adapt. Bad GMs and coaches use reasons like "I hand picked this guy, so he's going to play". I think they will adapt.

2. Anderson is now just as much a player hand-picked by Savage and Crennel as Quinn - they just signed him to a contract paying him $8M this year. They could have let him walk in favor of the "hometown hero," especially if they were going to put Anderson on an extremely short leash, used some of the $8M to sign a veteran backup QB, and had money leftover for something else... but they didn't.

3. Savage said this on April 2:

Browns GM Phil Savage reiterated at the owners' meetings that Brady Quinn "would really have to play lights out" to overtake Derek Anderson in camp.

"You don't give a guy $8 million and expect him to be in an open competition," Savage said of Anderson. "(Anderson) would have to play really poorly."

Also, at the same link, from May 18:

Derek Anderson has reportedly been impressive at Browns OTAs.

GM Phil Savage says Donte' Stallworth has been working out with Anderson for a few weeks and the duo showed chemistry on the practice field. Brady Quinn has also worked with Stallworth and reportedly "looked solid" at the voluntary sessions. Quinn was reported to have struggled at OTAs last year.

 

[Tau837]

Also worth mentioning (and perhaps more relevant) that the Browns have had 6 different QBs lead them in passing over the past 6 seasons.

Why is this relevant?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Also worth mentioning (and perhaps more relevant) that the Browns have had 6 different QBs lead them in passing over the past 6 seasons.

Why is this relevant?

I'd say a pattern is developing.

 

[Tau837]

Also worth mentioning (and perhaps more relevant) that the Browns have had 6 different QBs lead them in passing over the past 6 seasons.

Why is this relevant?

I'd say a pattern is developing.

Without having looked at those 6 years, my immediate reaction is to ask: How many times in that stretch was a QB who led one year injured or no longer with the team the next year? How many times in that stretch did a QB perform like Anderson did last year and then fail to repeat?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Another interesting stat on Derek Anderson from 2007, among the QBs I checked on STATS Inc. Anderson has the highest percentage of "Poor Throws" and by a wide margin. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...389&team=05

This info meshes well with YPA. So the higher the YPA I'd expect to see more "poor throws".

Here is how Anderson compares with some of the other top ranked QBs

NFL Leaders: Passing Yds/Attempt (Thru Dec. 30, 2007)

(14 Att/Game)

Rank Player Team YPA (Poor Throw %)

1 Tom Brady NE 8.31 (12.6%)

2 Tony Romo Dal 8.10 (14.6%)

3 Peyton Manning Ind 7.84 (11.7%)

4 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 7.81 (15.1%)

5 Brett Favre GB 7.77 (11.6%)

6 Matt Schaub Hou 7.75 (11.8%)

7 David Garrard Jac 7.72 (12.6%)

8 Kurt Warner Ari 7.58 (11.5%)

9 Jay Cutler Den 7.49 (14.1%)

10 Jeff Garcia TB 7.46 (12.5%)

11 Jon Kitna Det 7.25 (14.6%)

12 Derek Anderson Cle 7.19 (17.6%)

13 Carson Palmer Cin 7.18 (14.8%)

14 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 7.06 (14.2%)

15 Donovan McNabb Phi 7.03 (13.7%)

16 Sage Rosenfels Hou 7.02 (9.6%)

17 Brian Griese Chi 6.88 (11.5%)

18 Philip Rivers SD 6.85 (15.0%)

19 Damon Huard KC 6.80 (13.3%)

20 Chad Pennington NYJ 6.79 (9.6%)

Poor throws can be caused by a number of things I suppose...poor pass protection, poor route running by WRs...but both of these areas are strengths of the Browns.

 

[Tau837]

Another interesting stat on Derek Anderson from 2007, among the QBs I checked on STATS Inc. Anderson has the highest percentage of "Poor Throws" and by a wide margin. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...389&team=05

This info meshes well with YPA. So the higher the YPA I'd expect to see more "poor throws".

Here is how Anderson compares with some of the other top ranked QBs

NFL Leaders: Passing Yds/Attempt (Thru Dec. 30, 2007)

(14 Att/Game)

Rank Player Team YPA (Poor Throw %)

1 Tom Brady NE 8.31 (12.6%)

2 Tony Romo Dal 8.10 (14.6%)

3 Peyton Manning Ind 7.84 (11.7%)

4 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 7.81 (15.1%)

5 Brett Favre GB 7.77 (11.6%)

6 Matt Schaub Hou 7.75 (11.8%)

7 David Garrard Jac 7.72 (12.6%)

8 Kurt Warner Ari 7.58 (11.5%)

9 Jay Cutler Den 7.49 (14.1%)

10 Jeff Garcia TB 7.46 (12.5%)

11 Jon Kitna Det 7.25 (14.6%)

12 Derek Anderson Cle 7.19 (17.6%)

13 Carson Palmer Cin 7.18 (14.8%)

14 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 7.06 (14.2%)

15 Donovan McNabb Phi 7.03 (13.7%)

16 Sage Rosenfels Hou 7.02 (9.6%)

17 Brian Griese Chi 6.88 (11.5%)

18 Philip Rivers SD 6.85 (15.0%)

19 Damon Huard KC 6.80 (13.3%)

20 Chad Pennington NYJ 6.79 (9.6%)

Poor throws can be caused by a number of things I suppose...poor pass protection, poor route running by WRs...but both of these areas are strengths of the Browns.

Interesting info, which does not look good for Anderson.I assume weather can also be a factor in poor throws. As can inexperience - without looking it up, it looks like Anderson is the youngest QB on that list, and had the least amount of game experience entering last season. Of course, Anderson will continue to be exposed to poor weather games, but at least with experience he should be able to cut down on the poor throws.

Just to put this in perspective, it appears from this that Peyton Manning, one of the best in this metric, threw 60 poor throws in 515 passing attempts, and Anderson, the worst shown in this metric, threw 92 poor throws in 527 passing attempts. So, on average, Anderson threw about 2 more poor throws per game than Manning. And it wouldn't surprise me if he had a large number of poor throws in the couple of late season bad weather games he played, meaning it was normally a closer margin than that. Doesn't really sound all that bad looking at it that way.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Projects out at QB 10, but I would take 5 guys I have projected lower before I would take him, because of the downside.

3363 passing

25 TD

18 picks

52 yards

0 TD

 

[rzrback77]

There are prospects for optimism in Cleveland. They had a successful offense in 07 and added Stallworth in the off-season. I doubt however that Derek Anderson will end up on my fantasy teams in 08 because he is simply being drafted too early.

He wound up as the QB7 in FBG scoring last year, but a closer look at the numbers reveals a tale of two halves.

First half 148 comp in 257 attempts (57.6%) for 2,108 yards (8.2 ypa) with 17 TDs and 9 ints

Second half 150 comp in 270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints

The completion percentage overall is troubling, but the fall off in the second half is downright scary for somebody being drafted around QB 10. Add the TD/int ratio and the fact that Brady Quinn is lurking and this is not someone to stake an early pick on.

Assuming that Cleveland wins with a strong rsuhing attack and he does enough to not lose games and keeps his staring job all year, I'll go with

D Anderson 280 comp in 490 attempts (57.1%) for 3,350 yards (6.8 ypa) with 22 TDs and 15 ints

 

[gianmarco]

There are prospects for optimism in Cleveland. They had a successful offense in 07 and added Stallworth in the off-season. I doubt however that Derek Anderson will end up on my fantasy teams in 08 because he is simply being drafted too early.

He wound up as the QB7 in FBG scoring last year, but a closer look at the numbers reveals a tale of two halves.

First half 148 comp in 257 attempts (57.6%) for 2,108 yards (8.2 ypa) with 17 TDs and 9 ints

Second half 150 comp in 270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints

The completion percentage overall is troubling, but the fall off in the second half is downright scaryfor somebody being drafted around QB 10 . Add the TD/int ratio and the fact that Brady Quinn is lurking and this is not someone to stake an early pick on.

Assuming that Cleveland wins with a strong rsuhing attack and he does enough to not lose games and keeps his staring job all year, I'll go with

D Anderson 280 comp in 490 attempts (57.1%) for 3,350 yards (6.8 ypa) with 22 TDs and 15 ints

270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints x 2 = 3362 yds/24 TDs/20 INTs = 244.1 FP = 15th last year (ahead of Rivers).Yes, it's a difference from what he put up in the 1st half, but if his "bad half" is good enough for 15th and it's still unclear if the real DA is more like the 1st half or the 2nd half, then how is his being drafted around QB 10 scary? And again, he was a FIRST YEAR STARTER AND ONLY 24.

It's amazing to me when people talk about his 2nd half splits as if they were atrocious. They weren't. 3400/24/20 is a solid year (which is what he gets if you double his "scary" 2nd half).

 

[Tau837]

There are prospects for optimism in Cleveland. They had a successful offense in 07 and added Stallworth in the off-season. I doubt however that Derek Anderson will end up on my fantasy teams in 08 because he is simply being drafted too early.

He wound up as the QB7 in FBG scoring last year, but a closer look at the numbers reveals a tale of two halves.

First half 148 comp in 257 attempts (57.6%) for 2,108 yards (8.2 ypa) with 17 TDs and 9 ints

Second half 150 comp in 270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints

The completion percentage overall is troubling, but the fall off in the second half is downright scaryfor somebody being drafted around QB 10 . Add the TD/int ratio and the fact that Brady Quinn is lurking and this is not someone to stake an early pick on.

Assuming that Cleveland wins with a strong rsuhing attack and he does enough to not lose games and keeps his staring job all year, I'll go with

D Anderson 280 comp in 490 attempts (57.1%) for 3,350 yards (6.8 ypa) with 22 TDs and 15 ints

270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints x 2 = 3362 yds/24 TDs/20 INTs = 244.1 FP = 15th last year (ahead of Rivers).Yes, it's a difference from what he put up in the 1st half, but if his "bad half" is good enough for 15th and it's still unclear if the real DA is more like the 1st half or the 2nd half, then how is his being drafted around QB 10 scary? And again, he was a FIRST YEAR STARTER AND ONLY 24.

It's amazing to me when people talk about his 2nd half splits as if they were atrocious. They weren't. 3400/24/20 is a solid year (which is what he gets if you double his "scary" 2nd half).

Like I posted earlier, Anderson was QB3 through week 8 (7 games for him) and QB10 from week 9 through the rest of the season (9 games for him).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The drop in completion percentage during the 2nd half of the season is almost entirely accounted for by the Buffalo game. Take that out and you've got 57.3% vs 57.6%. Whether or not you think a QB should be held accountable for blizzard conditions is a personal choice I guess. Me? Not so much.

As for splits, it's a terrible idea to use them most of the time. Why cut your sample size in half?

3800/31/17

 

[rzrback77]

There are prospects for optimism in Cleveland. They had a successful offense in 07 and added Stallworth in the off-season. I doubt however that Derek Anderson will end up on my fantasy teams in 08 because he is simply being drafted too early.

He wound up as the QB7 in FBG scoring last year, but a closer look at the numbers reveals a tale of two halves.

First half 148 comp in 257 attempts (57.6%) for 2,108 yards (8.2 ypa) with 17 TDs and 9 ints

Second half 150 comp in 270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints

The completion percentage overall is troubling, but the fall off in the second half is downright scaryfor somebody being drafted around QB 10 . Add the TD/int ratio and the fact that Brady Quinn is lurking and this is not someone to stake an early pick on.

Assuming that Cleveland wins with a strong rsuhing attack and he does enough to not lose games and keeps his staring job all year, I'll go with

D Anderson 280 comp in 490 attempts (57.1%) for 3,350 yards (6.8 ypa) with 22 TDs and 15 ints

270 attts (55.6%) for 1,681 yards (6.2 ypa) with 12 TDs and 10 ints x 2 = 3362 yds/24 TDs/20 INTs = 244.1 FP = 15th last year (ahead of Rivers).Yes, it's a difference from what he put up in the 1st half, but if his "bad half" is good enough for 15th and it's still unclear if the real DA is more like the 1st half or the 2nd half, then how is his being drafted around QB 10 scary? And again, he was a FIRST YEAR STARTER AND ONLY 24.

It's amazing to me when people talk about his 2nd half splits as if they were atrocious. They weren't. 3400/24/20 is a solid year (which is what he gets if you double his "scary" 2nd half).

Because of the drop-off at around QB7, you can expect similar results even picking as low as QB18 to QB20. I think those selecting Anderson at QB10 are expecting better than 3362, but that's just me.

 

[Irish]

Another interesting stat on Derek Anderson from 2007, among the QBs I checked on STATS Inc. Anderson has the highest percentage of "Poor Throws" and by a wide margin. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...389&team=05

This info meshes well with YPA. So the higher the YPA I'd expect to see more "poor throws".

Here is how Anderson compares with some of the other top ranked QBs

NFL Leaders: Passing Yds/Attempt (Thru Dec. 30, 2007)

(14 Att/Game)

Rank Player Team YPA (Poor Throw %)

1 Tom Brady NE 8.31 (12.6%)

2 Tony Romo Dal 8.10 (14.6%)

3 Peyton Manning Ind 7.84 (11.7%)

4 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 7.81 (15.1%)

5 Brett Favre GB 7.77 (11.6%)

6 Matt Schaub Hou 7.75 (11.8%)

7 David Garrard Jac 7.72 (12.6%)

8 Kurt Warner Ari 7.58 (11.5%)

9 Jay Cutler Den 7.49 (14.1%)

10 Jeff Garcia TB 7.46 (12.5%)

11 Jon Kitna Det 7.25 (14.6%)

12 Derek Anderson Cle 7.19 (17.6%)

13 Carson Palmer Cin 7.18 (14.8%)

14 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 7.06 (14.2%)

15 Donovan McNabb Phi 7.03 (13.7%)

16 Sage Rosenfels Hou 7.02 (9.6%)

17 Brian Griese Chi 6.88 (11.5%)

18 Philip Rivers SD 6.85 (15.0%)

19 Damon Huard KC 6.80 (13.3%)

20 Chad Pennington NYJ 6.79 (9.6%)

Poor throws can be caused by a number of things I suppose...poor pass protection, poor route running by WRs...but both of these areas are strengths of the Browns.

Interesting info, which does not look good for Anderson.I assume weather can also be a factor in poor throws. As can inexperience - without looking it up, it looks like Anderson is the youngest QB on that list, and had the least amount of game experience entering last season. Of course, Anderson will continue to be exposed to poor weather games, but at least with experience he should be able to cut down on the poor throws.

Just to put this in perspective, it appears from this that Peyton Manning, one of the best in this metric, threw 60 poor throws in 515 passing attempts, and Anderson, the worst shown in this metric, threw 92 poor throws in 527 passing attempts. So, on average, Anderson threw about 2 more poor throws per game than Manning. And it wouldn't surprise me if he had a large number of poor throws in the couple of late season bad weather games he played, meaning it was normally a closer margin than that. Doesn't really sound all that bad looking at it that way.

Anyone who has actually watched Anderson extensively knows that he is not a franchise qb. He is a very inaccurate passer who's pct would have been worse if not for some great catches by his receivers. I've seen plays where his receivers were wide open and they had to adjust to a very poor thrown ball and make a great catch. He has trouble even completing swing passes out to the flat to his rbs. He does throw a very good deep ball, but good DC realized this and started playing safeties over the top and make him complete the underneath routes and he struggled. He does have a very good OL and good weapons. They had a cupcake schedule last yr and this year's schedule is tough. Expectations are very high this yr in Cleveland and for their fans, I forsee them falling short of their expectations and Anderson getting pulled at some point during the season and sometimes during the games to see if Quinn can give them a boost. 2700 yds 18 TD 16 Int

 

[T Bell]

The analysis of Anderson has, IMHO, missed the mark because the wrong criteria is being used to evaluate him. While everyone is talking here about completion percentage, that's the wrong metric to use. He's an old style QB, with a big arm to throw deep. He's not going to look very good using metrics developed to evaluate WCO QB's, where if you're not completing 60% of your passes you're "innaccurate". Instead, he's a higher risk, higher reward QB who will complete relatively fewer passes, but will hit bigger plays.

The metrics to use to evaluate him before looking at completion percentage and yards per attempt are TD/INT ratio, and yards per completion. The TD/INT ratio measures his ability to take the risks that go with his risk-taking style without making major mistakes, while the yards per completion tell you whether or not he's is indeed hitting those big plays.

I haven't yet been able to find a site that sorts individual players in this regard, however I note that Cleveland led the league in yards per completion at 12.2. Dallas was second at 11.9, followed by Jax at 11.6 and Indy at 11.4. Arizona, San Diego, Green Bay and New England follow. Aside from Arizona, that's pretty much a list of the top passing teams in the league.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The analysis of Anderson has, IMHO, missed the mark because the wrong criteria is being used to evaluate him. While everyone is talking here about completion percentage, that's the wrong metric to use. He's an old style QB, with a big arm to throw deep. He's not going to look very good using metrics developed to evaluate WCO QB's, where if you're not completing 60% of your passes you're "innaccurate". Instead, he's a higher risk, higher reward QB who will complete relatively fewer passes, but will hit bigger plays.

The metrics to use to evaluate him before looking at completion percentage and yards per attempt are TD/INT ratio, and yards per completion. The TD/INT ratio measures his ability to take the risks that go with his risk-taking style without making major mistakes, while the yards per completion tell you whether or not he's is indeed hitting those big plays.

I haven't yet been able to find a site that sorts individual players in this regard, however I note that Cleveland led the league in yards per completion at 12.2. Dallas was second at 11.9, followed by Jax at 11.6 and Indy at 11.4. Arizona, San Diego, Green Bay and New England follow. Aside from Arizona, that's pretty much a list of the top passing teams in the league.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/leaders.htm

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Some other interesting DA stats...

QB Rating at home: 93.5 (8th in AFC)

QB Rating on the road: 73.9 (18th in AFC)

Completion % inside Opponents 20: 45.5% (16th in AFC)

 

[T Bell]

The analysis of Anderson has, IMHO, missed the mark because the wrong criteria is being used to evaluate him. While everyone is talking here about completion percentage, that's the wrong metric to use. He's an old style QB, with a big arm to throw deep. He's not going to look very good using metrics developed to evaluate WCO QB's, where if you're not completing 60% of your passes you're "innaccurate". Instead, he's a higher risk, higher reward QB who will complete relatively fewer passes, but will hit bigger plays.

The metrics to use to evaluate him before looking at completion percentage and yards per attempt are TD/INT ratio, and yards per completion. The TD/INT ratio measures his ability to take the risks that go with his risk-taking style without making major mistakes, while the yards per completion tell you whether or not he's is indeed hitting those big plays.

I haven't yet been able to find a site that sorts individual players in this regard, however I note that Cleveland led the league in yards per completion at 12.2. Dallas was second at 11.9, followed by Jax at 11.6 and Indy at 11.4. Arizona, San Diego, Green Bay and New England follow. Aside from Arizona, that's pretty much a list of the top passing teams in the league.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2007/leaders.htm

And I even looked at p-f-r.com for that info.

 

[twr]

Another interesting stat on Derek Anderson from 2007, among the QBs I checked on STATS Inc. Anderson has the highest percentage of "Poor Throws" and by a wide margin. http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playerstats.asp...389&team=05

This info meshes well with YPA. So the higher the YPA I'd expect to see more "poor throws".

Here is how Anderson compares with some of the other top ranked QBs

NFL Leaders: Passing Yds/Attempt (Thru Dec. 30, 2007)

(14 Att/Game)

Rank Player Team YPA (Poor Throw %)

1 Tom Brady NE 8.31 (12.6%)

2 Tony Romo Dal 8.10 (14.6%)

3 Peyton Manning Ind 7.84 (11.7%)

4 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 7.81 (15.1%)

5 Brett Favre GB 7.77 (11.6%)

6 Matt Schaub Hou 7.75 (11.8%)

7 David Garrard Jac 7.72 (12.6%)

8 Kurt Warner Ari 7.58 (11.5%)

9 Jay Cutler Den 7.49 (14.1%)

10 Jeff Garcia TB 7.46 (12.5%)

11 Jon Kitna Det 7.25 (14.6%)

12 Derek Anderson Cle 7.19 (17.6%)

13 Carson Palmer Cin 7.18 (14.8%)

14 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 7.06 (14.2%)

15 Donovan McNabb Phi 7.03 (13.7%)

16 Sage Rosenfels Hou 7.02 (9.6%)

17 Brian Griese Chi 6.88 (11.5%)

18 Philip Rivers SD 6.85 (15.0%)

19 Damon Huard KC 6.80 (13.3%)

20 Chad Pennington NYJ 6.79 (9.6%)

Poor throws can be caused by a number of things I suppose...poor pass protection, poor route running by WRs...but both of these areas are strengths of the Browns.

Interesting info, which does not look good for Anderson.I assume weather can also be a factor in poor throws. As can inexperience - without looking it up, it looks like Anderson is the youngest QB on that list, and had the least amount of game experience entering last season. Of course, Anderson will continue to be exposed to poor weather games, but at least with experience he should be able to cut down on the poor throws.

Just to put this in perspective, it appears from this that Peyton Manning, one of the best in this metric, threw 60 poor throws in 515 passing attempts, and Anderson, the worst shown in this metric, threw 92 poor throws in 527 passing attempts. So, on average, Anderson threw about 2 more poor throws per game than Manning. And it wouldn't surprise me if he had a large number of poor throws in the couple of late season bad weather games he played, meaning it was normally a closer margin than that. Doesn't really sound all that bad looking at it that way.

stats are like polls, the creator or supporter can bend the answer anyway they want.we could compair mannings first starting year(rookie) to andersons to see who threw the most poor balls, we could also compair them both at the age of 25, polls and numbers mean nothing if they are apples vs oranges. if you really want to get into it, no poll or numbers will ever be the same due to situational factors... anderson had a good year last year... and personally i expect another one... when he preforms the browns will trade quinn, in the next offseason.

 

[Coach Pantusso]

Anderson's INT ratio is a concern, but it places him amongst some other QBs who are considered fantasy studs and are very secure in their jobs including guys named Romo, Manning(E) and Palmer...so this is of little concern. However, of those other QBs, his pass completion percentage (56%) is only approximate to the stats of Eli, while Romo and Palmer are both well over 60%. Meanwhile, as stated earlier, his Adj. Yd/Att is avg amongst NFL starters. With those numbers in mind...

...One would imagine that the primary question that needs to be answered in deciding where to rank Anderson is determining if the Browns will be winning or losing. So long as they aren't losing too many games early, you can fully expect Anderson to play as many games as his health will allow. Before the bye (week 5) they start tough with DAL and PIT, but they face both of them at home. They then travel on the road to face BAL and CIN. At worst, this team should be 2-2 and will have had 2 of their most difficult opponents for the season behind them. So long as they aren't winless and Anderson has an atrocious TD/INT ratio, the job should be his for the season.

It is unfair to expect Edwards to catch as many TDs (16) in 2008 as 2007, but Stallworth should provide the downfield threat on the opposite side of the field to make up for the loss of a few big plays provided by Edwards last season...this should help keep Anderson's TD totals close to where they were last season. If Jurevicius is moved into the 3rd WR/slot (and can remain healthy) this the this team has a tremendous number of weapons that Anderson should be able to take advantage of. That being said, I suspect last season was likely close to Anderson's ceiling.

I am projecting a small downtick in attempts for this passing offense (but nothing too significant) due to leaning a little more heavily on the run, coupled with a few more INTs.

299/518- 3635-26/21

 

[BigRed]

yknow if Anderson had been a high draft pick, almost everyone would be raving about what a huge year he's going to have.

Obviously one year doesn't make a career and I admit I probably won't go for him as my QB, but the guy had a very fine year for first year starting and has a great supporting cast, so I don't get the worries about him suddenly having this big digression or being on a short leash.

 

[Burning Sensation]

yknow if Anderson had been a high draft pick, almost everyone would be raving about what a huge year he's going to have. Obviously one year doesn't make a career and I admit I probably won't go for him as my QB, but the guy had a very fine year for first year starting and has a great supporting cast, so I don't get the worries about him suddenly having this big digression or being on a short leash.

I agree, if Quinn came in and did the EXACT same thing Anderson did last year, people would be calling him a surefire top 5 QB.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Keep in mind that was year 1 of the new offensive scheme, most new schemes take two years to fully develop so upside is definitely apparent. How much? Depends how much you believe in the team. I think this team has 30+ TD passes in them.

How long does it take opposing D's to break new offensive schemes down?I say it's a wash at best

 

[SteelerMurf]

yknow if Anderson had been a high draft pick, almost everyone would be raving about what a huge year he's going to have. Obviously one year doesn't make a career and I admit I probably won't go for him as my QB, but the guy had a very fine year for first year starting and has a great supporting cast, so I don't get the worries about him suddenly having this big digression or being on a short leash.

His short leash just got longer when it has become painfully obvious Brady Quinn is not ready for prime time. Almost all of his passes are checkdowns. You can't move the chains passing like Quinn does. He is a lot less NFL ready than anyone could have thought which is probably why he slipped so far.

 

[Irish]

yknow if Anderson had been a high draft pick, almost everyone would be raving about what a huge year he's going to have. Obviously one year doesn't make a career and I admit I probably won't go for him as my QB, but the guy had a very fine year for first year starting and has a great supporting cast, so I don't get the worries about him suddenly having this big digression or being on a short leash.

His short leash just got longer when it has become painfully obvious Brady Quinn is not ready for prime time. Almost all of his passes are checkdowns. You can't move the chains passing like Quinn does. He is a lot less NFL ready than anyone could have thought which is probably why he slipped so far.

According to Browns fans on these forums, Quinn is better than any qb in next year's draft and they will be able to trade him for 2 1st rd picks. He is awesome.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

It will be an interesting week for Anderson and Crennel. After 2 home games DA is:

0-2

29-56 for 280 yards, 1 TD 2 INT

57.1 QB Rating

Now comes Baltimore on the road...the clock is ticking for Crennel and DA...

 

[Tau837]

It will be an interesting week for Anderson and Crennel. After 2 home games DA is:0-229-56 for 280 yards, 1 TD 2 INT57.1 QB RatingNow comes Baltimore on the road...the clock is ticking for Crennel and DA...

The first week, his receivers dropped several passes and they were playing possibly the best team in the NFL on the road. Today, they played in severe weather conditions and barely lost to another contender. It's not as bad as you have made it out to be.

 

[Burning Sensation]

It will be an interesting week for Anderson and Crennel. After 2 home games DA is:0-229-56 for 280 yards, 1 TD 2 INT57.1 QB RatingNow comes Baltimore on the road...the clock is ticking for Crennel and DA...

A tough schedule and dropped passes is hurting DA right now. I did think he would be better, although he is still far better than Quinn.

 

[[scooter]]

Every quarterback has to deal with dropped passes, bad weather, bad coaching, tough defenses, etc. Good quarterbacks make the best of bad situations. So far, Derek Anderson hasn't.

 

[Tau837]

Every quarterback has to deal with dropped passes, bad weather, bad coaching, tough defenses, etc. Good quarterbacks make the best of bad situations. So far, Derek Anderson hasn't.

Meaning what? You think they should go to Quinn?

 

[Giantseasonticketholder]

While Braylon Edwards is doing his best to sabotage the Browns season, I think they have to go with Quinn sooner than later.

Anderson throws a real nice deep ball...and that's about it.

 

[rockalum]

why are people shocked when a one-season wonder fails? instead, everyone is making excuses for the guy now. how many of you are making those same excuses for david garrard? or is garrard being labled a one-year wonder?

 

[Burning Sensation]

why are people shocked when a one-season wonder fails? instead, everyone is making excuses for the guy now. how many of you are making those same excuses for david garrard? or is garrard being labled a one-year wonder?

When your best WR has dropped 7 passes in two games, thats not an excuse, it is a fact.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

BAD D.A.:

The pick-prone Anderson reared his ugly head in the first half with two costly interceptions..

Anderson's first interception came on the first play of the second quarter when McFadden, subbing for DeShea Townsend, picked off a deep pass for Edwards that was short. The second was just before the half.

The picks were reminiscent of Anderson's performance against Cincinnati last season with the playoffs on the line. In that game, he threw four picks.

Heading into Sunday's game, coach Romeo Crennel said "the jury's still out" on whether or not Anderson can win a big game.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale...&thispage=3

 

[Tau837]

BAD D.A.:

The pick-prone Anderson reared his ugly head in the first half with two costly interceptions..

Anderson's first interception came on the first play of the second quarter when McFadden, subbing for DeShea Townsend, picked off a deep pass for Edwards that was short. The second was just before the half.

The picks were reminiscent of Anderson's performance against Cincinnati last season with the playoffs on the line. In that game, he threw four picks.

Heading into Sunday's game, coach Romeo Crennel said "the jury's still out" on whether or not Anderson can win a big game.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindeale...&thispage=3

The second interception was definitely bad, though it was set up by awful clock management in that two minute drive. The first one just hung up in the wind. Madden commented on that. It happens when you are playing in heavy wind. Anderson definitely needs to play better, but he's not the only one. I think he has at least a few more games before they would consider pulling him, and only then if those few games are awful.

 

[T Bell]

While Braylon Edwards is doing his best to sabotage the Browns season, I think they have to go with Quinn sooner than later.

Help me understand the logic of this sentence because it's just not apparent to me.