Player Spotlight: Edgerrin James (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Edgerrin James, RB, Arizona Cardinals

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[Ministry of Pain]

He's going to be 30 when the season starts...

He has over 2,840 carries over his career...that's a ton.

He has avg about 3.6 ypc since coming over to AZ.

His receptions have dropped from 61...51...51...44...38...24...can they get any lower?

He has avg only 6.5 TD per season since coming to AZ

Here we go...

240 carries, 899 yds, 5 TD

20 recptions 160 yds

1,059 of the most painful yds you will see all year and 5 TD.

Stay thristy my friends

 

[footballman_696969]

He's going to be 30 when the season starts...He has over 2,840 carries over his career...that's a ton.He has avg about 3.6 ypc since coming over to AZ.His receptions have dropped from 61...51...51...44...38...24...can they get any lower?He has avg only 6.5 TD per season since coming to AZHere we go...240 carries, 899 yds, 5 TD20 recptions 160 yds1,059 of the most painful yds you will see all year and 5 TD.Stay thristy my friends

Edge has never carried the ball less than 324 times when starting 16 games. Are you predicting him to get injured this year?Although he is turning 30 years old, he should still be the primary ball carrier for this team as they have no one else.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He's going to be 30 when the season starts...He has over 2,840 carries over his career...that's a ton.He has avg about 3.6 ypc since coming over to AZ.His receptions have dropped from 61...51...51...44...38...24...can they get any lower?He has avg only 6.5 TD per season since coming to AZHere we go...240 carries, 899 yds, 5 TD20 recptions 160 yds1,059 of the most painful yds you will see all year and 5 TD.Stay thristy my friends

Edge has never carried the ball less than 324 times when starting 16 games. Are you predicting him to get injured this year?Although he is turning 30 years old, he should still be the primary ball carrier for this team as they have no one else.

Nature finds a way

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

Edge in 2008

 

[Todem]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.I wouldn't worry about that at all.300/1200/730/200/0Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

And the OL is improving. Edge is the undisputed #1 on a team that has 2 great WR's and a young QB we hope is on the rise.310/1245/935/225/0Super solid RB2 numbers

 

[finito]

1180 yds, 5 TDs, 250 yds recieving, 1 TD.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Age is nothing but a number.

Uhhh no, it's not.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Age is nothing but a number.

Uhhh no, it's not.

Fine. Age is little more than a number. I'm just not going to give up on good players in good situations because they reach some magical age where their fantasy value is suddenly supposed to evaporate. Many people think this way however so you can take advantage and get a pretty good player.Edge is going to be 30 when the season starts. Not 32. Not 35. Not 40. Just 30. I'm not worried about his age.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Age is nothing but a number.

Uhhh no, it's not.

Fine. Age is little more than a number. I'm just not going to give up on good players in good situations because they reach some magical age where their fantasy value is suddenly supposed to evaporate. Many people think this way however so you can take advantage and get a pretty good player.Edge is going to be 30 when the season starts. Not 32. Not 35. Not 40. Just 30. I'm not worried about his age.

Oh he's not 40? Thanks.Nobody said to "give up" on Edge - but to do so would be no more foolish than to completely ignore age and career workload as a factor, as you seem determined to do for some reason.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Age is nothing but a number.

Uhhh no, it's not.

Fine. Age is little more than a number. I'm just not going to give up on good players in good situations because they reach some magical age where their fantasy value is suddenly supposed to evaporate. Many people think this way however so you can take advantage and get a pretty good player.Edge is going to be 30 when the season starts. Not 32. Not 35. Not 40. Just 30. I'm not worried about his age.

Oh he's not 40? Thanks.Nobody said to "give up" on Edge - but to do so would be no more foolish than to completely ignore age and career workload as a factor, as you seem determined to do for some reason.

If by some reason you mean that the player is still playing well and is in a good situation then yeah age and career workload aren't going to factor as much into my decision on a player's value. There's no magic number for when these players break down. Some guys are more durable than others and play well even at an advanced age so it really doesn't make sense to worry about it too much. If a player is undervalued for mainly that reason I'll take my chances on drafting them pretty much everytime. More often then not it'll pan out pretty well.

 

[MAC_32]

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I'm not so sure about that. Fred Taylor is one example of a running back maintaining a high level of play past age 30. It seems like for every example of a player breaking down at 30 (Eric Dickerson, Corey Dillon,) I can find an example of a running back still playing well at or past the age of 30 (Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton). It all seems pretty random to me. I'd have to look into it more but even recently with players like guys like Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, and Fred Taylor the age 30 is not nearly the death sentence for a running back that it used to be.

 

[Fighting Noles]

Fred Taylor has had MJD though to keep him "fresh". This has benefited him tremendously IMO (along with a good run blocking line & scheme)....Tiki was a totally different type of runner and started his career later (plus was in a RBBC for parts of it) and CMART was a warrior with a coach determined to run the ball at all costs (& nowhere near the WR weapons that Ariz has)....3.6 YPC is NOT still running VERY well. It's grinding out a decent amount of yards from a good amount of carries. If you want to "bank" on someone getting that many carries and staying healthy at that age with that many touches each year so be it. But the same "argument" was being made in favor of Rudi & Shaun last year (they'll keep doing it every year) and we all know how that ended. Will Edge have the same fate in '08? NOBODY knows, but the ceiling is very limited IMO & the floor will be low when that "year" does come (especially for those expecting RB2 #'s)....He just doesn't pass the eyeball test anymore IMO.

 

[footballman_696969]

....3.6 YPC is NOT still running VERY well. It's grinding out a decent amount of yards from a good amount of carries. If you want to "bank" on someone getting that many carries and staying healthy at that age with that many touches each year so be it. But the same "argument" was being made in favor of Rudi & Shaun last year (they'll keep doing it every year) and we all know how that ended. Will Edge have the same fate in '08? NOBODY knows, but the ceiling is very limited IMO & the floor will be low when that "year" does come (especially for those expecting RB2 #'s)....He just doesn't pass the eyeball test anymore IMO.

I have Edge projected to be a top 20 RB this season, but I agree that his age and yards per rush are something to worry about. I would be too scared to rely on this guy as my RB2. I also agree about the eyeball test... he has definitely lost some speed. He could easily be this years Shaun Alexander.312/1123/7 32/250/0

 

[Jedimaster21]

Although Edge isn't dynamic anymore, he is still going to get more carries than a lot of runners next season. His workload alone will make him a solid #2 RB in many formats. The fact that they didn't bring in anyone significant to steal carries helps Edge's value this year. Tim Hightower may turn into a good player, but he looks more like a bruiser that can take a few carries and play on special teams. Edge won't break too many runs over 10 yards, but has a great passing game to keep 8 out of the box, and also has an improving offensive line.

325 carries for 1250 yards and 8 scores

25 catches for 200 yards and 1 score

 

[Jon_Moore]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

And the OL is improving. Edge is the undisputed #1 on a team that has 2 great WR's and a young QB we hope is on the rise.

310/1245/9

35/225/0

Super solid RB2 numbers

This made me laugh. We hope is on the rise isn't a factor, is it?I LOVED Leinart coming into the league, but he looked attrocious last season. James has had Boldin and Fitzgerald the last 2 years, and a low yards per carry the last 2 years. Still, the Cardinals have proved time and time again they're fine giving him a very heavy load, and he's proven he can keep taking it. I see no reason he doesn't get 20 carries a game again.

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I disagree. RBS tend to break down around a certain carry # as opposed to an age. Edge is probably 32-33 in NFL RB age. His body has taken quit the # of hits. Still, just I don't agree with turning 30 making you slow--it's the workload most rbs see by that age. All of this said, James will get his carries, and his yards. If the offense accidentally clicks, he may have his tds

325 carries

1268 yards

5 rushing tds

27 receptions

192 yards

0 receiving tds.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

And the OL is improving. Edge is the undisputed #1 on a team that has 2 great WR's and a young QB we hope is on the rise.

310/1245/9

35/225/0

Super solid RB2 numbers

This made me laugh. We hope is on the rise isn't a factor, is it?I LOVED Leinart coming into the league, but he looked attrocious last season. James has had Boldin and Fitzgerald the last 2 years, and a low yards per carry the last 2 years. Still, the Cardinals have proved time and time again they're fine giving him a very heavy load, and he's proven he can keep taking it. I see no reason he doesn't get 20 carries a game again.

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I disagree. RBS tend to break down around a certain carry # as opposed to an age. Edge is probably 32-33 in NFL RB age. His body has taken quit the # of hits. Still, just I don't agree with turning 30 making you slow--it's the workload most rbs see by that age. All of this said, James will get his carries, and his yards. If the offense accidentally clicks, he may have his tds

325 carries

1268 yards

5 rushing tds

27 receptions

192 yards

0 receiving tds.

Did you miss post #2?

 

[Jon_Moore]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

And the OL is improving. Edge is the undisputed #1 on a team that has 2 great WR's and a young QB we hope is on the rise.

310/1245/9

35/225/0

Super solid RB2 numbers

This made me laugh. We hope is on the rise isn't a factor, is it?I LOVED Leinart coming into the league, but he looked attrocious last season. James has had Boldin and Fitzgerald the last 2 years, and a low yards per carry the last 2 years. Still, the Cardinals have proved time and time again they're fine giving him a very heavy load, and he's proven he can keep taking it. I see no reason he doesn't get 20 carries a game again.

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I disagree. RBS tend to break down around a certain carry # as opposed to an age. Edge is probably 32-33 in NFL RB age. His body has taken quit the # of hits. Still, just I don't agree with turning 30 making you slow--it's the workload most rbs see by that age. All of this said, James will get his carries, and his yards. If the offense accidentally clicks, he may have his tds

325 carries

1268 yards

5 rushing tds

27 receptions

192 yards

0 receiving tds.

Did you miss post #2?

Not sure what you mean. I acknowlledge the high workload. I just hate hearing so and so is 30 so they're done, because '79 instead of '78 isn't affecting anyone's game.The old magic carry # was 2,000, I don't know what's considered the break down # now a days. Edge has really had a good trip in the desert considering the ridiculous work load he's seen all of his career.

 

[Scooby1974]

There are many factors that can go into someone lasting longer than the next guy. The NFL RB culture has changed to more of an RBBC format with certain guys (Tiki, Bush) getting the yards between the 20 yard lines and then handing the ball over to their counterparts (Jacobs/Deuce) to get the ball into the endzone.

How well has Edge taken care of himself over his career? Does he eat right? How does he exercise in a way that he isn't destroying his body just to build up some more muscle? Edge has taken quite a bit of hits, but he has also been pretty good at avoiding those "tough hits" due to his style of play.

There are probably a lot more factors we could throw into this argument but I'll stop here and see what you guys think. To me this is a case of comparing Apples to Oranges to Grapefruit to... The guy/the team/ the style of offense/ the injuries/ etc all have to be factored in.

It's a crapshoot people...get him if you can, just don't pay quite as much as you did last year.

 

[css2373]

I see Edge finishing between RB15 and RB20 which over the last 3 years pays out at about 175 FFPts. I'll say he gets 21 pts from the passing game, score about 6 TDs which put him at about 1180 yards and 300 carries at a robust 3.9 ypc.

302 carries 1180 yards 6 TDs

30 recs 210 yards 0 TDs

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

In 2007 E. James PPG had him at 19th. A servicable RB 2.

In 2006 his PPG had him at 26th. One of the better RB 3's.

James has very low upside entering the 2008 season. His line will roughly be the same. He is not going to regain his burst and quickness of his earlier years.

If you draft James as a lower end RB 2 at a lower end RB 2 price I think it is a safe play. I know I won't have James on my teams this year as he will be taken before I would draft him. I see him as nothing more then a RB 3 guy.

I like drafting a solid RB 1 and I much perfer drafting a RB 2 with a lot more upside than James. If my RB 2 does not pan out, I have still have a solid RB and hopefully my RB 3, 4's pan out a little.

 

[Todem]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.

Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.

I wouldn't worry about that at all.

300/1200/7

30/200/0

Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

And the OL is improving. Edge is the undisputed #1 on a team that has 2 great WR's and a young QB we hope is on the rise.

310/1245/9

35/225/0

Super solid RB2 numbers

This made me laugh. We hope is on the rise isn't a factor, is it?I LOVED Leinart coming into the league, but he looked attrocious last season. James has had Boldin and Fitzgerald the last 2 years, and a low yards per carry the last 2 years. Still, the Cardinals have proved time and time again they're fine giving him a very heavy load, and he's proven he can keep taking it. I see no reason he doesn't get 20 carries a game again.

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I disagree. RBS tend to break down around a certain carry # as opposed to an age. Edge is probably 32-33 in NFL RB age. His body has taken quit the # of hits. Still, just I don't agree with turning 30 making you slow--it's the workload most rbs see by that age. All of this said, James will get his carries, and his yards. If the offense accidentally clicks, he may have his tds

325 carries

1268 yards

5 rushing tds

27 receptions

192 yards

0 receiving tds.

Of course it is a factor that is why I stated it. I think Lienart does improve ( that is my hope) so that will effect Edge. Last season Edge was a pretty decent RB2. I think he will better this year with the overall team improving.

 

[Kiddnets]

Wasnt he being pulled at the GL last year for a while? Not too many undisputed primary carriers anymore - I could live with him a a low #2 but I am targeting him as my #3 - would be thrilled with that and the way people are off his wagon in my leaue I may have a chance.

 

[TheFanatic]

Unlike the breakout 3rd year WR myth, the RB's break down at age 30 one is very true. The risk is not worth the reward. Whether he gets injured or just isn't as effective I'm not expecting anything special. If Hightower has a good camp I believe he will have a role in this offense. I'm surprised AZ hasn't called KJ yet.

I'm not so sure about that. Fred Taylor is one example of a running back maintaining a high level of play past age 30. It seems like for every example of a player breaking down at 30 (Eric Dickerson, Corey Dillon,) I can find an example of a running back still playing well at or past the age of 30 (Emmitt Smith, Walter Payton). It all seems pretty random to me. I'd have to look into it more but even recently with players like guys like Tiki Barber, Curtis Martin, and Fred Taylor the age 30 is not nearly the death sentence for a running back that it used to be.

This used to be the case. But modern medicine has extended that. CMart, Tiki, Fred Taylor, Dillon, Emmitt Smith, Priest Holmes, Garrison Hearst, Ricky Watters and Barry Sanders all have good seasons after turning 30.

 

[Verbal Kint]

Age is nothing but a number.

Uhhh no, it's not.

Fine. Age is little more than a number. I'm just not going to give up on good players in good situations because they reach some magical age where their fantasy value is suddenly supposed to evaporate. Many people think this way however so you can take advantage and get a pretty good player.Edge is going to be 30 when the season starts. Not 32. Not 35. Not 40. Just 30. I'm not worried about his age.

In 2006 I started a thread about the RBs most likely to have their wheels come off. Here were the likely candidates.

Name / age / Rushes / rush yds / Recs / rec yds

1. Curtis Martin 33 / 3,518 / 14,101 / 484 / 3,329

age, mileage issues. No suprises here

2. Corey Dillon 32 / 2,419 / 10,429 / 229 / 1,766

has been a workhorse his whole career. Catches up to him.

3. Ahman Green 29 / 1,605 / 7,432 / 304 / 2,337

Suprising here, alot less mileage than some of the others, but consensus is he is more likely to be done.

4. Fred Taylor 30 / 1,831 / 8,367 / 238 / 1,463

After shaking the injury bug for a few years, he's clearly in decline.

5. Mike Anderson 33 / 865 / 3,822 / 79 / 647

Very little mileage, but is one of the oldest starters in the league

6. Edgerrin James 28 / 2,188 / 9,226 / 356 / 2,839

The youngest of the group, but piling on yds fast. Potentially disconcerting for a projected top 5 RB - at least for keeper leagues

7. Tiki Barber 31 / 1,889 / 8,786 / 528 / 4,718

Converse of Ahman Green. Popular opinion is that he's got some gas left, even though he is older and has more yards than Green. Lots of rec yds too.

8. Warrick Dunn 31 / 1,970 / 8,321 / 404 / 3,601

See T. Barber

Among that group, Edge, Taylor and Ahman are the only ones still producing in this league, with Edge having the most carries and yards of those 3. Updating those stats through 2007 season:

1. Edge 30 / 2849 / 11617 / 419 / 3252

2. Taylor 32 / 2285 / 10715 / 270 / 2263

3. Green 31 / 1941 / 8751 / 364 / 2833

Yudkin had a very nice summary in that thread of RBs with over 2,500 carries. Of the only 20 in history to ever do it, only 3 were able to continue to produce consistently for 2 years after hitting that mark. Essentially, only if Edge is one of the true greats of all time, 2008 can be the last season of high production. To me it more likely that his production will diminish from the prior couple years at ARZ.

rush 285 / yards 1026 / Avg 3.6 /TDs 6 / Rec 25 / Rec Yds 200 / Avg 8.0 / Rec TDs 1

 

[T Bell]

312/1123/7 32/250/0

This seems about right to me. His best fantasy attributes are the lack of RB competition in AZ, and what I believe will be an improved offense under Whisenhunt and Grimm in year 2.

 

[Yitbos69]

300/1250/8 30/300/1

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think that he has one more year left, even if by default. There is no one else to carry the ball in Arizona. His diminishing use in the passing game concerns me a bit, though.

315 carries for 1200 yards, 20 catches for 150 yards, 7 total TDs

 

[Pickle Rody]

I am one of those that think Edge will have somewhat of a bounce-back year in '08. I believe that the continuity of the coaching regime will help....both for him and the O-line. He is healthy and "chomping-at-the-bit" to show the league that he is not washed up. I, for one, believe he will be able to pull it off.

Prediction: 362 rushes, 1520 yds (4.2), 12 TD's, 45 rec., 319 yds (7.0), 2 TD's

These totals equal a top 10 finish in most standard scoring leagues and surely top 10 in PPR leagues.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I am one of those that think Edge will have somewhat of a bounce-back year in '08. I believe that the continuity of the coaching regime will help....both for him and the O-line. He is healthy and "chomping-at-the-bit" to show the league that he is not washed up. I, for one, believe he will be able to pull it off.Prediction: 362 rushes, 1520 yds (4.2), 12 TD's, 45 rec., 319 yds (7.0), 2 TD'sThese totals equal a top 10 finish in most standard scoring leagues and surely top 10 in PPR leagues.

Forget about top-10 if he puts up those numbers he'll be a top-5 running back. I think that's a little high but you never know it could happen.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Edgerrin James isn't the back he was in Indianapolis, but the Cardinals aren't the team Indy is either. Edge has probably outperformed what I thought he'd do in Arizona since he's been there, so I'm mildly impressed. I think the offense is better with Kurt Warner leading the team, but either way Edge should have another solid year.

1100 yards, 6 Td's, 25 receptions for 200 yards

 

[rzrback77]

There are several factors that contribute to Edgerrin James producing value for those that draft him in 08:

1) Despite the awesome WRs that the Cardinals have, their coaches will provide a heavy dose of rushing attempts

2) He had ten games with over 20 carries in 07 and only one under ten (nine in game 9)

3) Edge is without a doubt the best RB that they have

4) He will ne 30 entering the season and lots of folks frop him down their lists

5) With all the RBBC perspective, WRs will go a little earlier further valuing the lower ranked RBs

6) With all the SA comparisons, he will drop even further

Edge James 301 carries 1174 yards 3.9 ypc 30 receptions 255 yards 8.5 ypc and 9 total TDs

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Edgerrin James is going to get nearly every carry for the Cardinals. He still runs behind a bad offensive line but in the end he'll still put up numbers just from the sheer amount of opportunity available to him.Age is nothing but a number. There have been plenty of running backs to have quality seasons at or past the age of 30.I wouldn't worry about that at all.300/1200/730/200/0Edge is a good #2 running back who appears to be incredibly undervalued right now.

1262 yards7 TD25 catches188 yards0 TDIf his ADP stays even close to where it is at now, I will expect to have him on all of my teams.

 

[Franknbeans]

Good value

 

[Grahamburn]

I am one of those that think Edge will have somewhat of a bounce-back year in '08. I believe that the continuity of the coaching regime will help....both for him and the O-line. He is healthy and "chomping-at-the-bit" to show the league that he is not washed up. I, for one, believe he will be able to pull it off.Prediction: 362 rushes, 1520 yds (4.2), 12 TD's, 45 rec., 319 yds (7.0), 2 TD'sThese totals equal a top 10 finish in most standard scoring leagues and surely top 10 in PPR leagues.

I would love to see some more discussion on this guy. These numbers might be a little lofty, but are they really too out of line? It looks like Edge is going to be getting the majority of the carries in Arizona, and the "fluff" pieces are starting to come out about how hard he's working. We know Arizona can throw it, so does that open it up for Edge?His current ADP is at 5.5. That seems to be pretty good value if you go RB in the first and then WR/WR/QB or something similar and snag Edge in the fifth as a RB2. It seems like the makings of a solid team with championship potential if Edge can come anywhere near those numbers. He's only thirty and had a fairly productive season in 2007.I'd put him more at 320 carries for 1145 yards and 35 catches for 290 yards, 9 total TD's. Similar numbers to what first/second round picks like Marshawn Lynch, Ryan Grant, and Willis McGahee are going to produce. Value.

 

[BigRed]

A little lofty? They're laughable. He'll be lucky to match last year's numbers.

I don't think there's much to say that hasn't been said above - gettin old, lotta mileage, declining numbers, but good passing O and little competition. Passable RB2 at best.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

I am one of those that think Edge will have somewhat of a bounce-back year in '08. I believe that the continuity of the coaching regime will help....both for him and the O-line. He is healthy and "chomping-at-the-bit" to show the league that he is not washed up. I, for one, believe he will be able to pull it off.

Prediction: 362 rushes, 1520 yds (4.2), 12 TD's, 45 rec., 319 yds (7.0), 2 TD's

These totals equal a top 10 finish in most standard scoring leagues and surely top 10 in PPR leagues.

I would love to see some more discussion on this guy. These numbers might be a little lofty, but are they really too out of line? It looks like Edge is going to be getting the majority of the carries in Arizona, and the "fluff" pieces are starting to come out about how hard he's working. We know Arizona can throw it, so does that open it up for Edge?His current ADP is at 5.5. That seems to be pretty good value if you go RB in the first and then WR/WR/QB or something similar and snag Edge in the fifth as a RB2. It seems like the makings of a solid team with championship potential if Edge can come anywhere near those numbers. He's only thirty and had a fairly productive season in 2007.

I'd put him more at 320 carries for 1145 yards and 35 catches for 290 yards, 9 total TD's. Similar numbers to what first/second round picks like Marshawn Lynch, Ryan Grant, and Willis McGahee are going to produce.

Value.

Trust me you don't. You want people to think that he's washed up and not worth mentioning at all as anything less than a 4th-round pick.

 

[MCguidance]

Article on Edge's Conditioning

FLAGSTAFF - With his 30th birthday coming Friday, Cardinals running back Edgerrin James saw the question coming, read his keys and answered it before it was completely asked.

"That's like a cliche now," James said of the idea that running backs begin to fade at 30. "I don't think that applies to me, because after all I've done and the way I take care of my body, I'm not even concerned with that. I see some guys who haven't even played as long as I've played, they're missing practices and not able to play every game."

James takes pride in his durability. In two years with the Cardinals, he has taken a pounding yet never missed a game or practice. Last year, he set an Arizona Cardinals record by rushing for 1,222 yards.

This is just a snippet, but a decent homer read.

 

[TheFanatic]

Article on Edge's Conditioning

FLAGSTAFF - With his 30th birthday coming Friday, Cardinals running back Edgerrin James saw the question coming, read his keys and answered it before it was completely asked.

"That's like a cliche now," James said of the idea that running backs begin to fade at 30. "I don't think that applies to me, because after all I've done and the way I take care of my body, I'm not even concerned with that. I see some guys who haven't even played as long as I've played, they're missing practices and not able to play every game."

James takes pride in his durability. In two years with the Cardinals, he has taken a pounding yet never missed a game or practice. Last year, he set an Arizona Cardinals record by rushing for 1,222 yards.

This is just a snippet, but a decent homer read.

This is one of those things were I defer to the coaches and the front office. They didn't address RB in FA. They drafted a guy in the 5th. So a 5th rounder, JJ Arrington and Shipp? They obviously feel the guy has another year in him if not a partial year after that. I think they will see what Hightower has. But my money is on them drafting a RB in 2009 for Edge to teach for part of a season in 09. But this year the guy isn't going to be shoved aside by anyone other than Hightower but that's a long shot. So for all the people writing him off, I just don't see who would get the carries or take carries away from edge other than edge himself with a serious injury....

 

[AnonymousBob]

32 is closer to the age rb's drop off, not 30.

 

[NajehHejan]

Article on Edge's Conditioning

FLAGSTAFF - With his 30th birthday coming Friday, Cardinals running back Edgerrin James saw the question coming, read his keys and answered it before it was completely asked.

"That's like a cliche now," James said of the idea that running backs begin to fade at 30. "I don't think that applies to me, because after all I've done and the way I take care of my body, I'm not even concerned with that. I see some guys who haven't even played as long as I've played, they're missing practices and not able to play every game."

James takes pride in his durability. In two years with the Cardinals, he has taken a pounding yet never missed a game or practice. Last year, he set an Arizona Cardinals record by rushing for 1,222 yards.

This is just a snippet, but a decent homer read.

This is one of those things were I defer to the coaches and the front office. They didn't address RB in FA. They drafted a guy in the 5th. So a 5th rounder, JJ Arrington and Shipp? They obviously feel the guy has another year in him if not a partial year after that. I think they will see what Hightower has. But my money is on them drafting a RB in 2009 for Edge to teach for part of a season in 09. But this year the guy isn't going to be shoved aside by anyone other than Hightower but that's a long shot. So for all the people writing him off, I just don't see who would get the carries or take carries away from edge other than edge himself with a serious injury....

I think the above post sums it up for Edge. He could be a nice value pick for RB2 this year. I have not seen Hightower play but have read positive reviews of him thus far. Does anyone think Edge will still be a lock for 300 carries, and hence produce ok RB2 numbers just based on workload?