Player Spotlight: Jake Delhomme (1 Viewer)

[Jason Wood]

2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Jake Delhomme, QB, Carolina Panthers

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[rzrback77]

Jake Delhomme could be setting up for a nice season that greatly outproduces in his draft position. He is coming off Tommy John surgery in the off-season and with his lack of production over the previous two seasons being combined with the surgery, he has fallen way down the draft lists. His current ADP is QB 15 and 102 overall.

He has excellent weapons for a change. He has thrived with Steve Smith, but off season additions of D.J. Hackett and Muhammad, the WRs look the best that Carolina has had in a while. Jake will be on the must watch preseason list to confirm that he has recovered, but if he has, he will offer value. Also in his favor and on the side of waiting late for a QB, there are several being drafted in that QB 15 to QB 20 range that have very solid potential for 08.

This estimate assumes that Jake is the starter from the get-go and recovered from his surgery.

Jake Delhomme 290 comp 490 att 59% 3577 yds 7.3 ypa 25 TDs 17 ints 40 yds rush 0 TDs

 

[a_troll00]

He is supposedly looking fully recovered from Tommy John's surgery and has a stronger arm than ever. However, you can label me a "Doubting Thomas". I want to see him throwing the ball in the preseason before I jump on board the FBG Jake Delhomme man-love bandwagon.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I can't tell you how surprised I was last season to see how bad the Panther passing game was after Delhomme was lost for the season. I expected a dip, but I didn't think it would basically make Steve Smith virtually unstartable. It's apparent to me the Panthers need to keep this guy healthy, if they do they're an above average fantasy team, without him they're at the bottom of the page.

3400 yards passing, 27 td's and 15 int's

 

[Jon_Moore]

They drafted a lineman and a running back, which screams they want to run more. This if nothing else will command defenses attention.

Before going down in week 3, he had already thrown 8 tds in roughly 3 games. That paces out to...40ish TDs, and he had a 64% completion rate. He looked like a special QB through that point.

Steve Smith is about as good as they come, the offense will go through Smith 1st, and Delhomme will be the biggest benefactor of that. If he is 100% back from the elbow surgery, he can have a good year.

For now, I'll keep projections to be what I consider modest since he's coming off surgery.

276/440

3124 Yards

23 TDs

15 INTs

 

[Max Power]

They drafted a lineman and a running back, which screams they want to run more. This if nothing else will command defenses attention.

Before going down in week 3, he had already thrown 8 tds in roughly 3 games. That paces out to...40ish TDs, and he had a 64% completion rate. He looked like a special QB through that point.

Steve Smith is about as good as they come, the offense will go through Smith 1st, and Delhomme will be the biggest benefactor of that. If he is 100% back from the elbow surgery, he can have a good year.

For now, I'll keep projections to be what I consider modest since he's coming off surgery.

276/440

3124 Yards

23 TDs

15 INTs

They did also bring in Hackett and Moose. This is the best WR corps the team has had in years.

 

[BassNBrew]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

2005 CAR 16 262 435 3421 7.9 24 16 24 31 1.3 1

If he plays 16 games then this [2005] is his floor. I don't think the Carolina defense is anything special and expect the Cats to be playing from behind in many games. The o-line has been totally revamped and the run game will take time to gell. Delhomme does one thing better than anyone else, he finds a way to get Steve Smith the ball.

3520-24-13 passing and 40-1 rush.

 

[FUBAR]

They drafted a lineman and a running back, which screams they want to run more. This if nothing else will command defenses attention.

Before going down in week 3, he had already thrown 8 tds in roughly 3 games. That paces out to...40ish TDs, and he had a 64% completion rate. He looked like a special QB through that point.

Steve Smith is about as good as they come, the offense will go through Smith 1st, and Delhomme will be the biggest benefactor of that. If he is 100% back from the elbow surgery, he can have a good year.

For now, I'll keep projections to be what I consider modest since he's coming off surgery.

276/440

3124 Yards

23 TDs

15 INTs

They did also bring in Hackett and Moose. This is the best WR corps the team has had in years.

Which, IMO, is more indicative of how bad it was before (aside from Smith of course). I wouldn't mind drafting Delhomme as my QB2 if I take a guy like Garrard as my #1, but I'm targeting Moore in deeper leagues.

 

[bostonfred]

Carolina has officially transitioned from a defensive team to an offensive team. I love the new receivers, and I love the fact that they got a physical running back, who will force teams to keep eight in the box if he's any good. The biggest problem I have with this team is that the entire passing offense is fragile. Much has been made of the fact that Delhomme played three games last year, and 13 the prior year. But Hackett played in just six games last year, and has missed time in each of his three years in the NFL. Muhammad has played well, but he's slowed down, and at 35, can't have a lot of time left playing at a top level. And Steve Smith has missed time in three of his last four seasons. I don't think it's realistic to predict injury for any specific player on this offense, but it's aggressive to predict everyone to stay healthy for a full season, too. I like Delhomme a lot at his current value, but I'd need another good option to feel comfortable. If he starts sliding up the ADP rankings, I'll pass on him, but I like his value a lot as one of the last QB1s/first QB2s.

 

[BassNBrew]

They drafted a lineman and a running back, which screams they want to run more. This if nothing else will command defenses attention.

Before going down in week 3, he had already thrown 8 tds in roughly 3 games. That paces out to...40ish TDs, and he had a 64% completion rate. He looked like a special QB through that point.

Steve Smith is about as good as they come, the offense will go through Smith 1st, and Delhomme will be the biggest benefactor of that. If he is 100% back from the elbow surgery, he can have a good year.

For now, I'll keep projections to be what I consider modest since he's coming off surgery.

276/440

3124 Yards

23 TDs

15 INTs

They did also bring in Hackett and Moose. This is the best WR corps the team has had in years.

Which, IMO, is more indicative of how bad it was before (aside from Smith of course). I wouldn't mind drafting Delhomme as my QB2 if I take a guy like Garrard as my #1, but I'm targeting Moore in deeper leagues.

Delhomme will out produce Garrard.

 

[BigRed]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

 

[FUBAR]

They drafted a lineman and a running back, which screams they want to run more. This if nothing else will command defenses attention.

Before going down in week 3, he had already thrown 8 tds in roughly 3 games. That paces out to...40ish TDs, and he had a 64% completion rate. He looked like a special QB through that point.

Steve Smith is about as good as they come, the offense will go through Smith 1st, and Delhomme will be the biggest benefactor of that. If he is 100% back from the elbow surgery, he can have a good year.

For now, I'll keep projections to be what I consider modest since he's coming off surgery.

276/440

3124 Yards

23 TDs

15 INTs

They did also bring in Hackett and Moose. This is the best WR corps the team has had in years.

Which, IMO, is more indicative of how bad it was before (aside from Smith of course). I wouldn't mind drafting Delhomme as my QB2 if I take a guy like Garrard as my #1, but I'm targeting Moore in deeper leagues.

Delhomme will out produce Garrard.

He could, but Garrard is a safer bet, which is pretty much my point. If I'm the last guy to take a QB, I can see going Garrard / Delhomme, 1a/1b, but I like Garrard just a little more.

 

[Hue G]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

I agree, that whole Tommy John surgory scares me, I can't think of any baseball pitchers that have successfully come back from that in only one year.

 

[FavreCo]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

 

[David Yudkin]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

 

[IM666]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

David, what does this mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Delhomme's career as a whole indicates a sub-par year?

 

[David Yudkin]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

David, what does this mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Delhomme's career as a whole indicates a sub-par year?

Only that IMO there are other factors that should be considered before a 3-game stretch against some very weak opponents when JD has health issues, the team has already said they want to go back to running the ball, and JD's peripheral averages don't mesh with some predictions.So long story short, the 8 TD in 3 games should be ignored and the rest of his career numbers considered in evaluating Delhomme. Just the year before there was talk of ditching JD for someone else, so I personally would not run out and grab him.

 

[IM666]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

David, what does this mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Delhomme's career as a whole indicates a sub-par year?

Only that IMO there are other factors that should be considered before a 3-game stretch against some very weak opponents when JD has health issues, the team has already said they want to go back to running the ball, and JD's peripheral averages don't mesh with some predictions.So long story short, the 8 TD in 3 games should be ignored and the rest of his career numbers considered in evaluating Delhomme. Just the year before there was talk of ditching JD for someone else, so I personally would not run out and grab him.

Thank you for the response. He was cut late last year in my dynasty league and I was strongly considering taking him in the second round. Thanks again for the clarification; I am going to rethink my strategy.

 

[BigRed]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

Need you even ask?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Haven't read the responses as I don't want to be influenced.

How do you not like Jake D here?

All reports have him healthy

Steve Smith

Reunited with Muhsin Muhammad

A TD magnet in DJ Hackett

A capable group of TEs that are TE2 en masse if not better (Jeff King, Rosario)

Two RBs who can catch out of the backfield

I see 3200 yards and 25 TDs against about 14 INTs. Minimal rushing (20-75) and 0 TDs on the ground.

Give him a YPA of about 7, which means about 450 attempts. he should complete around 250, or 5 of 9 (55.6%).

 

[5-ish Finkle]

How do you not like Jake D here?

I don't understand it either. Even if he only winds up QB10, you probably got him as QB15. That allowed you to potentially get stronger at RB2, WR3 or TE. The only way I think you "fail" with Jake would be expecting him to give you a top 5 finish and by not backing him up quickly enough. That's the only real "rub" I see with him. If you wait on him as your first QB you need to be the first owner grabbing their 2nd. I've been seeing a lot of 12 team mocks where folks wait til round 8 or so and grab both Manning The Lesser and Jake with consecutive picks. Or Cutler and Jake/Jake and Schaub.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How do you not like Jake D here?

I don't understand it either. Even if he only winds up QB10, you probably got him as QB15. That allowed you to potentially get stronger at RB2, WR3 or TE. The only way I think you "fail" with Jake would be expecting him to give you a top 5 finish and by not backing him up quickly enough. That's the only real "rub" I see with him. If you wait on him as your first QB you need to be the first owner grabbing their 2nd. I've been seeing a lot of 12 team mocks where folks wait til round 8 or so and grab both Manning The Lesser and Jake with consecutive picks. Or Cutler and Jake/Jake and Schaub.

Haven't done it, but I should.....Find a complimentary QB to pair with Jake with a QBBC plan.I'd have to map out some schedules.

 

[moose162]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

David, what does this mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Delhomme's career as a whole indicates a sub-par year?

So long story short, the 8 TD in 3 games should be ignored and the rest of his career numbers considered in evaluating Delhomme. Just the year before there was talk of ditching JD for someone else, so I personally would not run out and grab him.

Yes, but last year the Panthers saw just how valuable he is.

 

[David Yudkin]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

David, what does this mean exactly? Are you suggesting that Delhomme's career as a whole indicates a sub-par year?

So long story short, the 8 TD in 3 games should be ignored and the rest of his career numbers considered in evaluating Delhomme. Just the year before there was talk of ditching JD for someone else, so I personally would not run out and grab him.

Yes, but last year the Panthers saw just how valuable he is.

This helps us in fantasy how exactly? If he's an average fantasy option and the Panthers found out that their other options were far below average, does having him back turn him into a good fantasy option?I don't think he's a terrible option, but I don't see him more than being a fantasy backup. He's had one good fantasy year (VBD 54). I suppose if he's healthy he would make for a reliable backup, but even then you are still looking at being down scoring wise against the rest of your league at the QB spot.

 

[Jayrod]

I like Delhomme's chances this year and I recently won him in a dynasty startup auction. That said, I'm a little more hesitant than some seem to be about him. TD's in the 25 range and 3,500 passing yards would be his ceiling in my opinion.

Don't forget he has been out of the game for several months, has never been a consistant fantasy starter, is 33 years old...and....oh yeah, just had a major reconstructive surgery on his throwing arm. How someone can expect anything but rust from him is beyond me. Even if he played all four quarters in all four preason games, I still don't think he'd be back to last year's early season form by week 1.

I think he'll be a very solid backup with lower top 12 potential, but I wouldn't trust him except as a spot starter when he has a favorable matchup and my QB1 has a poor one.

My projections are:

245/430 (57.0%) for 3,100 yds, 22 TD's, 16 Int's, 35 yds rush, no rush TD's.

 

[BigRed]

If injury risks scare you, that's what's not to like. Again as a cheap backup and if you feel lucky, yeah worth a shot......that's all though. Delhomme, Smith, Hackett...all are not exactly known for being ironmen.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

While you're presumably shoring up other positions you get "one of the worst starting QB's" at QB15 or so. How far is QB10-12 from QB7?

 

[David Yudkin]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

While you're presumably shoring up other positions you get "one of the worst starting QB's" at QB15 or so. How far is QB10-12 from QB7?

The difference from 7 to 12 last year was 50 points. Delhomme has an ADP of 14 this year. If he ends up where Dodds has him projected (20th), based on last year's totals, the difference between 7 and 20 would have been 160 points.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

How do you not like Jake D here?

I don't understand it either. Even if he only winds up QB10, you probably got him as QB15. That allowed you to potentially get stronger at RB2, WR3 or TE. The only way I think you "fail" with Jake would be expecting him to give you a top 5 finish and by not backing him up quickly enough. That's the only real "rub" I see with him. If you wait on him as your first QB you need to be the first owner grabbing their 2nd. I've been seeing a lot of 12 team mocks where folks wait til round 8 or so and grab both Manning The Lesser and Jake with consecutive picks. Or Cutler and Jake/Jake and Schaub.

Haven't done it, but I should.....Find a complimentary QB to pair with Jake with a QBBC plan.

I'd have to map out some schedules.

Cutler's schedule, at first glance, appears to go pretty nicely with Delhomme's:CAR ------DEN

@ SDG (8) ------@OAK (29)

CHI (26) -------SDG (8)

@ MIN (16) ------ NOR (32)

ATL (20) ------- KAN (20)

KAN (20) ------ TAM (3)

@ TAM (3) ------- JAC (9)

NOR (32) ------- NWE (6)

ARI (14) ------- Bye

Bye ------- MIA (31)

@ OAK (29) ------- CLE (9)

DET (26) ------- @ ATL (20)

@ GB (9) ------- @ NYJ (24)

TAM (3) ------- KAN (20)

DEN (24) ------- @ CAR (9)

@ NYG (16) ------- BUF (16)

@ NOR (32) ------- SDG (8)

The numbers in parentheses are the team's 2007 defensive rank in yards per attempt. Week 6 is a tough combo as Carolina faces Tampa and Denver gets the Jaguars, and Week 16 could also be problematic, as each team has a cold weather game that could impact the passing game. Aside from that, I think these two go together pretty well at first glance, especially if your league's Super Bowl is in Week 17 (as mine is). In only 3 weeks (6, 8 , 16) would you have to start either QB against a team that ranked in the top half of the league last year in yards per attempt, and in Week 8 you would be starting against Arizona which was 14th, and in Week 16 both the Bills and Giants were 16th. Provided these two stay healthy, the Cutler-Delhomme pair could be pretty good.

Sorry about the format - couldn't figure out how to get it to look nicer.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

While you're presumably shoring up other positions you get "one of the worst starting QB's" at QB15 or so. How far is QB10-12 from QB7?

The difference from 7 to 12 last year was 50 points. Delhomme has an ADP of 14 this year. If he ends up where Dodds has him projected (20th), based on last year's totals, the difference between 7 and 20 would have been 160 points.

Not disputing his projection David or your argument against it, but if you believe you are getting QB10-12 at the price of QB15 or worse then he makes a decent play.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How do you not like Jake D here?

I don't understand it either. Even if he only winds up QB10, you probably got him as QB15. That allowed you to potentially get stronger at RB2, WR3 or TE. The only way I think you "fail" with Jake would be expecting him to give you a top 5 finish and by not backing him up quickly enough. That's the only real "rub" I see with him. If you wait on him as your first QB you need to be the first owner grabbing their 2nd. I've been seeing a lot of 12 team mocks where folks wait til round 8 or so and grab both Manning The Lesser and Jake with consecutive picks. Or Cutler and Jake/Jake and Schaub.

Haven't done it, but I should.....Find a complimentary QB to pair with Jake with a QBBC plan.

I'd have to map out some schedules.

Cutler's schedule, at first glance, appears to go pretty nicely with Delhomme's:CAR ------DEN

@ SDG (8) ------@OAK (29)

CHI (26) -------SDG (8)

@ MIN (16) ------ NOR (32)

ATL (20) ------- KAN (20)

KAN (20) ------ TAM (3)

@ TAM (3) ------- JAC (9)

NOR (32) ------- NWE (6)

ARI (14) ------- Bye

Bye ------- MIA (31)

@ OAK (29) ------- CLE (9)

DET (26) ------- @ ATL (20)

@ GB (9) ------- @ NYJ (24)

TAM (3) ------- KAN (20)

DEN (24) ------- @ CAR (9)

@ NYG (16) ------- BUF (16)

@ NOR (32) ------- SDG (8)

The numbers in parentheses are the team's 2007 defensive rank in yards per attempt. Week 6 is a tough combo as Carolina faces Tampa and Denver gets the Jaguars, and Week 16 could also be problematic, as each team has a cold weather game that could impact the passing game. Aside from that, I think these two go together pretty well at first glance, especially if your league's Super Bowl is in Week 17 (as mine is). In only 3 weeks (6, 8 , 16) would you have to start either QB against a team that ranked in the top half of the league last year in yards per attempt, and in Week 8 you would be starting against Arizona which was 14th, and in Week 16 both the Bills and Giants were 16th. Provided these two stay healthy, the Cutler-Delhomme pair could be pretty good.

Sorry about the format - couldn't figure out how to get it to look nicer.

Based on what I saw, Garrard / Delhomme looks like a nice pairing.

 

[BigRed]

Then get your eyes checked.

Honestly if you could somehow physically combine the 2, yeah........but Garrard is the efficient, don't-lose-the-game-for-you type, plus weak WRs and a run-first team = about low 20s on TDs and fairly low yds, and I wouldn't count on such a low INT output again (not saying it'll be bad).

Then you have high upside, high-risk Delhomme......these are my choices at QB? No thank you.

 

[FavreCo]

If Favre doesn't come back to a great gig, I am all over this guy. 8 TD's in the 1st 3 games is enough for me to grab him as my #2.

Have people not learned that blips on the radar (a hot 3 games) do not trump a career worth of numbers and baselines.

So I should go get some loser like whoever sucks in Baltimore or Minnesota or Chicago then I guess. Sounds like a better idea. Fact is, Delhomme is the best QB avaiable in our dynasty draft. Maybe I should have spelled that out.Did I mention he would be my #2? Yeah, I did. In a 14 team dynasty, that's better than just about every other team in the league as far as a #2.

 

[BigRed]

Thanks we are all wondering.

 

[FavreCo]

Thanks we are all wondering.

I figured that I had to set you straight.

 

[Max Power]

Delhomme is the best value among the QBs this year. He'll finish in the 10-12 range which will make him a viable starter in most leagues.

If he is a QB10-12 that probably makes him one of the worst starting QBs in your league. He's worth a look if you have a very "sure" QB starter and can get him fairly cheaply later. Sure as hell wouldn't want to count on him as my go-to QB.

While you're presumably shoring up other positions you get "one of the worst starting QB's" at QB15 or so. How far is QB10-12 from QB7?

The difference from 7 to 12 last year was 50 points. Delhomme has an ADP of 14 this year. If he ends up where Dodds has him projected (20th), based on last year's totals, the difference between 7 and 20 would have been 160 points.

David, I think your numbers are misleading. QB 7 probably played all 16 games last season, I don't think QB 20 did. Now if you wanted to break down the PPG difference between 7 and 20, you might have a case.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Then get your eyes checked.

Honestly if you could somehow physically combine the 2, yeah........but Garrard is the efficient, don't-lose-the-game-for-you type, plus weak WRs and a run-first team = about low 20s on TDs and fairly low yds, and I wouldn't count on such a low INT output again (not saying it'll be bad).

Then you have high upside, high-risk Delhomme......these are my choices at QB? No thank you.

You might want to go back and read what I said.... the pair looks good based on SOS.Here - take a look: QB SOS

Carolina has 5 easy games vs. 3 tough.

Jax has 6 and 3.

Only once do the easy games overlap, so now you have 10 easy games vs. 6 tough ones.

Each tough one is covered by an average or easy game on the other side.

Combining the two schedules and you get 10 easy and 7 average matchups - never a tough one.

Add in that if you spin it for most fantasy leagues you can drop Week 17 (average matchup) and (hopefully) drop Week 14 if you get a Bye in your playoffs (average matchup). That would mean that in 15 meaningful games, there are 10 easy and 5 average matchups - including 5 to close the year, which also include the two playoff weeks of 15 and 16.

 

[BigRed]

Thanks we are all wondering.

I figured that I had to set you straight.

lost cause, just ask my girlfriendAnyway Delhomme really does seem like a boom/bust kinda guy; great if he can just stay upright.

 

[cha-ching]

I had a really tough time in 2006 with Jake Delhomme. I was getting beat every week with this guy as my starting QB. I paired him with Mcnair that year and I could not buy a win between the two. The rest of my team looked good but the QB position kept me out of the playoffs.

I realize that the new additions to the team can change the tempo for the club but I am not going to draft Delhomme again. My projections for 2008 will be similiar to his 2006 numbers where he put up 2800 passing yards 17 Td's and 11 Int's. This puts him around QB# 20. I'd rather draft Cutler or Rivers over Delhomme.

 

[aburt19]

How do you not like Jake D here?

I don't understand it either. Even if he only winds up QB10, you probably got him as QB15. That allowed you to potentially get stronger at RB2, WR3 or TE. The only way I think you "fail" with Jake would be expecting him to give you a top 5 finish and by not backing him up quickly enough. That's the only real "rub" I see with him. If you wait on him as your first QB you need to be the first owner grabbing their 2nd. I've been seeing a lot of 12 team mocks where folks wait til round 8 or so and grab both Manning The Lesser and Jake with consecutive picks. Or Cutler and Jake/Jake and Schaub.

Haven't done it, but I should.....Find a complimentary QB to pair with Jake with a QBBC plan.I'd have to map out some schedules.

Garrard and Delhomme have a pretty good combined schedule, but it might require two draft picks in the 7-10th round to get them.

 

[gbill2004]

So what is everyone's projections after seeing Delhomme in two pre-season games? He hasen't thrown deep much, but his elbow seems to be fine. With the addition of Muhammad and Hackett, along with Smith, I'd project something around 25 TDs and 15 INT's from Delhomme this year. I think 1.5 TDs a game is reasonable.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Then get your eyes checked.

Honestly if you could somehow physically combine the 2, yeah........but Garrard is the efficient, don't-lose-the-game-for-you type, plus weak WRs and a run-first team = about low 20s on TDs and fairly low yds, and I wouldn't count on such a low INT output again (not saying it'll be bad).

Then you have high upside, high-risk Delhomme......these are my choices at QB? No thank you.

You might want to go back and read what I said.... the pair looks good based on SOS.Here - take a look: QB SOS

Carolina has 5 easy games vs. 3 tough.

Jax has 6 and 3.

Only once do the easy games overlap, so now you have 10 easy games vs. 6 tough ones.

Each tough one is covered by an average or easy game on the other side.

Combining the two schedules and you get 10 easy and 7 average matchups - never a tough one.

Add in that if you spin it for most fantasy leagues you can drop Week 17 (average matchup) and (hopefully) drop Week 14 if you get a Bye in your playoffs (average matchup). That would mean that in 15 meaningful games, there are 10 easy and 5 average matchups - including 5 to close the year, which also include the two playoff weeks of 15 and 16.

I'd love to see somebody statisically prove that prior year SOS has any predictive power for the subsequent year's SOS. My rudimentary analysis last year showed close to zero predictive power - but I'm also not the quant jock that Chase is....