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Player Spotlight: Justin Fargas (1 Viewer)

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2008 Player Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Justin Fargas, RB, Oakland Raiders

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The Raiders will be a run heavy team and Fargas is going to get the lion's share of carries but very few receptions. Add to that a very real threat of a goal line vulture with 240 lb Michael Bush lurking and looking for a role.

250 carries x 4.3 ypc = 1075 ru yds

16 rec x 7.5 ypr = 120 re yds

4 total TDs

Unless DMAC or Bush is injured, Fargas' value will be severely limited this season.

 
I can see the Raiders leaning on the run and using Fargas/McFadden much like the Cowboys used JJ/Barber as a 1A and 1B tandem.

14 games - 210 carries for 893 yards (4.25 YPC), 6 TD, 16 catches for 117 yards (7.31 YPC), 0 TD.

 
I don't trust Justin Fargas. Guys like him who come out of nowhere (bench duty for 4 seasons) to put up 1 solid fantasy season usually wind up going back to nowhere soon after. If McFadden doesn't take the starting rb position from him pretty quickly I'm going to be disappointed.

 
I don't trust Justin Fargas. Guys like him who come out of nowhere (bench duty for 4 seasons) to put up 1 solid fantasy season usually wind up going back to nowhere soon after. If McFadden doesn't take the starting rb position from him pretty quickly I'm going to be disappointed.
:banned: But in Fargas' defense he's never had much of a chance because of his long history of injuries. However, I do agree with you.
 
Justin Fargas is entering his sixth season. Prior to last year, he had accumulated 258 carries in four seasons for just over 1,000 yards and just under 4.0 ypc and caught 27 passes for 170 yards and 2 TDs. Last year he got a chance and provided good production for the Raiders, averaging 4.5 ypc on 222 carries for 1,009 yards and 4 total TDs. I think that says a lot about the Raiders OL work for the running game because there was very little to fear in the passing game.

I think that the Raiders overall offense will be much improved, but Fargas will lose a lot of his carries to Darren McFadden. I see them both playing early on and McFadden gaining more momentum as the season progresses.

Justin Fargas 120 carries for 540 yards 4.5 ypc and 12 catches for 96 yards 8.0 ypc and 3 total TDs

 
Justin Fargas had a better year last year than I ever thought he'd do. The Raiders proved they are a decent running team early in the year with Lamont Jordan so the Raiders can do some damage on the ground. Fargas obviously has McFadden on his heals but RBBC may fit Fargas perfectly and keep him fresh for the season.

720 yards rushing, 5 td's with 25 receptions for 250 yards and 1 td

 
AL Davis will make sure that Kiffin runs McFadden into the ground, from Day 1.

Fargas put together a surprisingly good 2007 season,but there is no way the Raiders drafted McFadden at #4, just to keep him in a RBBC..

This is McFadden's job, plain and simple.

Fargas,2008

150/675/2

10/60/1

 
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Don't sleep on Justin Fargas! Lane Kiffin in his first year as head coach of the Oakland Raiders, discovered something. Justin Fargas fits his offense PERFECTLY. So why then do they draft McFadden? Chalk it up to yet another classic Al Davis move. Fargas appears to be entering 2008 as a casualty of war, but not so fast. With McFadden in the fold and Michael Bush on short yardage, where does Fargas fit in?

I see Fargas as THE starting Running Back on Day one with McFadden coming in to spell and showcase his talents. Look for the passing game to struggle, so Kiffin MUST committ to a run first philosophy. Another competition for carries is Michael Bush, who will also get the nod on tough yards and some third down and goal line situations but in the end, Justin Fargas should continue to have a few very nice games, and rack up 15-18 carry days when healthy, with an above average YPC (4.5) due to his elusiveness, but reduced TDs due to competition. 180 carries, 810 yards, 2 Touchdowns - 15 receptions 125 yards - Fargas makes for a great draft pick in best ball lineup leagues as it will be hard to predict which games he'll do well in.

 
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Just when you thought Fargas had had the best season he could....

The Raiders

Insert a big armed quarterback

Get a receiver with pro-bowl ability to stretch the field

Upgrade the 2ndary

Draft a talented back that'll keep him fresh.

I see Fargas as the work horse, and McFadden as the second back in this comittee. The main problem is he's a bit of a faster runner that breaks some long ones, not necessarily so great between the tackles---that can eventually lead to considerably less effectiveness this season if the long runs aren't there---that and the sporadic touchdowns get old. He's not a great goal-line back, so be prepared for several scoreless weeks.

272 Carries

1142 Yards

6 Touchdowns

14 Receptions

95 Yards

 
You know, I really think that Fargas has the opportunity to be a significant sleeper this year.

1) With Jamarcus Russell in the fold, I do not suspect the Raiders will stray much from their 50/50 run pass ratio they achieved last season. Before you say that was a function of subpar QB play, Greg Knapp is the OC in Oakland and one thing I remember from his days in Atlanta was his desire for a balanced offense. Simply put, he likes to evenly split his run pass distribution.

2) McFadden fumbled 23 times during his college career. 23 times! Mind you, these weren't all lost...but still, this equated to a fumble every 35 times he touched the ball. Usually, fumbling doesn't get cured until the coaching staff and the fan base stop sucking your....nevermind. Point is, I can easily see this bugaboo popping up for McFadden and it cutting into his PT. To what degree, we'll have to see.

So what does this mean? RB's accounted for 446 carries in 2007 for the Raiders. I think there is enough work for Fargas to secure as many as 250 carries. Will he get there...that's a top end projection, but I don't think there is anyway he comes in at less than 150.

Fact is, in the 7 games Fargas started in 2007, he put up these numbers:

164 Carries

676 Rushing Yards

4 TD's

4.12 YPC

15 Receptions

110 Receiving Yards

Projected over a 16 game season:

375 Carries

1545 Rushing Yards

9 TD's

34 receptions

251 Receiving Yards

I don't project these numbers out to indicate that this is what he can or will do, but it shows how productive he was during the second half of 2007. I also think that Lane Kiffin knows that the only way to keep a job in the NFL as a HC is to keep the one he has, and the only way he does that is to put the best players he has on the field, Al Davis be damned. If he wouldn't lliten to Al Davis when he told Kiffin to 'turn in his playbook', I suspect he'll not listen to him on matters on game day personnel.

All in all, I think Fargas could be a low end RB2, with some potential based on last years quasi-breakout.

Prediction: 228 Rushes, 1079 Rushing Yards, 6 TD's - 25 Receptions, 201 Receiving Yards

 
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Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.

 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
Al drafted McFadden. I doubt Kiffin had much say in the matter to be honest.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I think he may get some work early in the year, and then give way.If Bush shows anything, then Fargas is a forgotten man again. He cannot catch the rock very well, and if McFadden and Bush can be as decisive in the ZBS, he will have a bigger guy that catches the ball better in front of him (Bush) and a bigger, much faster guy that catvhes the ball better than him in front of him (DMC).I also think that we will find out if DMC can carry the ball a lot or not. I am not so sure they will run a RBBC because they are worried about DMC breaking down. he has been very durable up till now, I think Kiffin is gonna give him the ball 20 times, one way or another.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :thanks:
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :thanks:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :thumbdown:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
I certainly have no more insight into the situation than the next guy, but I know the following to be true:- Al Davis asks Kiffin to resign during the offseason. - Kiffin refuses, and Davis leaves him in place.- Kiffin goes on record saying that the Raiders don't need another tailback (smokescreen or not) - The Raiders draft the top tailback in the draft with a super high pick.- Kiffin says: "Oh wait, we needed a tailback all along"Put simply, I don't think Al Davis gave a darn who Kiffin wanted to draft, and picked the guy he (Davis) had wanted all along. What is Kiffin going to do, quit over it?Oh, and to the point of the thread: I like Fargas for 1200 combined yards and 5 TDs. I think he represents super value based on his ADP (91st overall compared to McFadden's 42nd).
 
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Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :confused:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden

 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
I certainly have no more insight into the situation than the next guy, but I know the following to be true:- Al Davis asks Kiffin to resign during the offseason. - Kiffin refuses, and Davis leaves him in place.- Kiffin goes on record saying that the Raiders don't need another tailback (smokescreen or not) - The Raiders draft the top tailback in the draft with a super high pick.- Kiffin says: "Oh wait, we needed a tailback all along"Put simply, I don't think Al Davis gave a darn who Kiffin wanted to draft, and picked the guy he (Davis) had wanted all along. What is Kiffin going to do, quit over it?
I certainly don't think Davis had no input in the pick, but Kiffin's comments post-draft were eye-opening. When Kiffin discussed the free agent moves, he was a LOT less enthusiastic than when they drafted DMC. He was pretty adamant that they wanted DMC since January. Kiffin hasn't really shown a propensity to toe the company line, he has been a pretty straight shooter. He convinced me that he wanted DMC, and I was the most anti-McFadden, let's-take-Dorsey guy you'd find.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
Yep, I remember them well. I also take pre-draft comments with a grain of salt.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
Yep, I remember them well. I also take pre-draft comments with a grain of salt.
You should probably take comments made after just committing the #4 pick on the player you just drafted with a grain of salt too...
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
I thought he meant the comments as to how he ddin't believe McFadden could have made it all the way to 4, how they had coveted him since before he was conceived, and how happy he was that Al completely forgot about asking him to resign.
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
Yep, I remember them well. I also take pre-draft comments with a grain of salt.
You should probably take comments made after just committing the #4 pick on the player you just drafted with a grain of salt too...
Really? And why are the pre-draft comments (when smokescreens make sense) more reliable?
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :yes:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
Yep, I remember them well. I also take pre-draft comments with a grain of salt.
You should probably take comments made after just committing the #4 pick on the player you just drafted with a grain of salt too...
Really? And why are the pre-draft comments (when smokescreens make sense) more reliable?
They may or may not be, but have you ever heard someone say what a mistake they just made with their first round pick?
 
Sigmund Bloom said:
Fargas is going to get at least 200 carries if he stays healthy. They may cut his workload down to 15-18 carries a game, but he is not going to be a backup or seldom-used RB just because they drafted McFadden. Think of him as Deuce to McFadden's Reggie Bush (or Fred Taylor to McFadden's MJD), with Michael Bush getting some 3rd down and short yardage work.
I dont see fargas getting this type of workload with the Raiders drafting mcfadden. I just dont see it.
Chester Taylor logged 157 carries with Adrian Peterson having a (rookie) season for the ages. One other thing to consider...Kiffin's relationship with Fargas spans back to his USC days. I think there is a fondness and a respect for his abilities that won't be pushed to the side.
Then they should have given fargas even more respect by not drafting a rb 4th over all.
I don't think he had much say in the pick. Kiffin watched the draft from his living room... :thumbup:
Didn't hear Kiffin's comments after the draft, huh?
Probably sounded alot different than his comments before the draft...Kiffin Not Hot On McFadden
Yep, I remember them well. I also take pre-draft comments with a grain of salt.
You should probably take comments made after just committing the #4 pick on the player you just drafted with a grain of salt too...
Really? And why are the pre-draft comments (when smokescreens make sense) more reliable?
Shouldn't they be considered as reliable? Meaning not reliable?
 
They may or may not be, but have you ever heard someone say what a mistake they just made with their first round pick?
No, I've not. And I have explained why I thought Kiffin was on board. And when the pick was made, I didn't think it was his first choice. Kiffin post-draft changed my mind.
 
Shouldn't they be considered as reliable? Meaning not reliable?
I admit it: You lost me. :confused:
Why would you place more merit in a pre-draft comment versus a post-draft comment?If Kiffin wasn't telling the truth pre-draft, why would he be doing so, right after they selected McFadden?You say smokescreens make sense prior to the draft. I say it makes sense after the draft to not alienate the guy your boss just selected with the #4 overall pick within hours of him becoming a Raider. The argument is that Kiffin has just as much reason to not tell the truth in both situations.My only point (delivered sarcastically) was that Kiffin had no say in what happened on draft day.
 
Shouldn't they be considered as reliable? Meaning not reliable?
I admit it: You lost me. :confused:
Why would you place more merit in a pre-draft comment versus a post-draft comment?If Kiffin wasn't telling the truth pre-draft, why would he be doing so, right after they selected McFadden?You say smokescreens make sense prior to the draft. I say it makes sense after the draft to not alienate the guy your boss just selected with the #4 overall pick within hours of him becoming a Raider. The argument is that Kiffin has just as much reason to not tell the truth in both situations.My only point (delivered sarcastically) was that Kiffin had no say in what happened on draft day.
Ah, now I get you.Well, I addressed this above. I was surprised by how forceful Kiff was after the draft. He's a low-key guy, and I expected more of the same from him. In other words, I felt he went above and beyond the usual hype, especially if it was a pick he didn't want.Not very scientific on my part, and he may very well hate the DMC pick, but my guess is that he's happy.
 
I sure hope Michael Bush does better in short yardage than he did as a junior at Louisville. He was still learning how to use his size to his advantage. I didn't see much different early in the year when he got hurt. Ron Dayne had this problem coming out of school and it really cost him a chance to be a starting RB.

 
I sure hope Michael Bush does better in short yardage than he did as a junior at Louisville. He was still learning how to use his size to his advantage. I didn't see much different early in the year when he got hurt. Ron Dayne had this problem coming out of school and it really cost him a chance to be a starting RB.
i hear ya.While I was fine with a 4th round flier on Bush, I wasn't real excited about a big guy who runs like a small back, which is the scouting reports I read after the draft.
 

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