Players with 15,000 YFS and the HOF (1 Viewer)

[Anarchy99]

[SIZE=10pt]To date, there have been 21 players to reach 15,000 yards from scrimmage. With Brown and Bettis selected in the most recent [/SIZE]HOF class, 12 of the 21 have been inducted into the HOF. Of the others, some will be considered HOF locks, but what about the others?

[SIZE=10pt]01 - Jerry Rice - 23,450 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]02 - Emmitt Smith - 21,579 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]03 - Walter Payton - 21,264 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]04 - Marshall Faulk - 19,154 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]05 - LaDainian Tomlinson - 18,456 - NOT IN YET[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]06 - Barry Sanders - 18,190 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]07 - Marcus Allen - 17,654 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]08 - Curtis Martin - 17,430 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]09 - Thurman Thomas - 16,532 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]10 - Tony Dorsett - 16,293 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]11 - Terrell Owens - 16,185 - NOT IN YET[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]12 - Tiki Barber - 15,562 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]13 - Edgerrin James - 15,610 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]14 - Randy Moss - 15,451 - NOT IN YET[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]15 - Eric Dickerson - 15,396 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]16 - Isaac Bruce - 15,347 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]17 - Warrick Dunn - 15,306 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]18 - Tony Gonzalez - 15,141 - NOT IN YET[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]19 - Tim Brown - 15,124 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]20 - Jerome Bettis - 15,111 - IN[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]21 - Steven Jackson (31) - 15,051 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Besides Steven Jackson, here are the other active players with at least 13,000 yards from scrimmage . . .[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]26 - Reggie Wayne (36) - 14,435 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]29 - Frank Gore (31) - 13,956 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]33 - Andre Johnson (33) - 13,651 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]34 - Steve Smith (35) - 13,649 - ???[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]It's a pretty safe bet that Tomlinson, Owens, Moss, and Gonzalez are getting in. But what about the other guys?[/SIZE]

 

[moleculo]

Nope. Brown & Bettis were mistakes and shouldn't be in. I don't think anyone above with a ??? above had a meaningful enough career.

BTW: tiki barber, edge, and dunn ahead of Bettis illustrates how terrible of a selection Bettis is.

 

[Tau837]

IMO:

1. All who are in deserve it.

2. Tomlinson, Moss, Owens, and Gonzalez are locks and deservedly so.

3. Bruce will make it and deservedly so.

4. None of the others deserve to make it, and I doubt any of them will. Wayne probably has the best chance from that group.

 

[ShamrockPride]

Bruce is a lock.

Dunn, Jackson, Edge, and Tiki are all solid no's.

 

[The Man With No Name]

You left off Herschel Walker and his 20,130 yards from scrimmage.

It is The Pro Football Hall Of Fame, not The NFL Hall Of Fame

 

[Tau837]

You left off Herschel Walker and his 20,130 yards from scrimmage.

It is The Pro Football Hall Of Fame, not The NFL Hall Of Fame

It is the Hall of Fame for the NFL and all leagues directly connected to its history. That includes the AFL and AAFC. It does not include the USFL or CFL. Walker was correctly omitted from the list.

 

[dickey moe]

SJax shouldn't get in.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Nope. Brown & Bettis were mistakes and shouldn't be in. I don't think anyone above with a ??? above had a meaningful enough career.

BTW: tiki barber, edge, and dunn ahead of Bettis illustrates how terrible of a selection Bettis is.

Lt2 and gonzo should and will definitely get in. TO and Moss are borderline to me, though I'm not opposed. The rest fall short for me.

 

[Riversco]

Nope. Brown & Bettis were mistakes and shouldn't be in. I don't think anyone above with a ??? above had a meaningful enough career.

BTW: tiki barber, edge, and dunn ahead of Bettis illustrates how terrible of a selection Bettis is.

Why shouldn't Bettis be in? He's a case of who cares about stats, he was an unstoppable truck in short yardage. Completely unique guy.

 

[Hang 10]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

 

[Not Sleeping]

TO and Moss are borderline to me, though I'm not opposed. The rest fall short for me.

Wait, wait, wait. Seriously. Let's catch our breath here. On what planet are TO and Randy ####### Moss borderline Hall of Famers?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Nope. Brown & Bettis were mistakes and shouldn't be in. I don't think anyone above with a ??? above had a meaningful enough career.

BTW: tiki barber, edge, and dunn ahead of Bettis illustrates how terrible of a selection Bettis is.

Why shouldn't Bettis be in? He's a case of who cares about stats, he was an unstoppable truck in short yardage. Completely unique guy.

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[SproutDaddy]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

 

[ZWK]

Nope. Brown & Bettis were mistakes and shouldn't be in. I don't think anyone above with a ??? above had a meaningful enough career.

BTW: tiki barber, edge, and dunn ahead of Bettis illustrates how terrible of a selection Bettis is.

Why shouldn't Bettis be in? He's a case of who cares about stats, he was an unstoppable truck in short yardage. Completely unique guy.

There are stats for that too. From 1998 (the earliest year that PFR's game finder has) through the end of his career (2005), Bettis had 126 carries on 3rd or 4th down with 2 yards or less to go. He converted 88 of those 126 attempts - 69.8% of them.

How does that compare to other runners? There are 24 other players with 100+ short yardage attempts - here's how they rank:

91.3% Tom Brady

76.2% Ahman Green

75.2% LeSean McCoy

73.2% Adrian Peterson

71.3% Zack Crockett

70.9% Stephen Davis

70.4% Edgerrin James

70.3% Priest Holmes

69.8% Jerome Bettis

69.2% Corey Dillon

68.5% Curtis Martin

68.3% Shaun Alexander

67.6% Marshall Faulk

67.3% LaDainian Tomlinson

67.2% Clinton Portis

65.2% Steven Jackson

65.1% Eddie George

64.8% Marion Barber

64.6% Willis McGahee

63.0% Ricky Williams

62.9% Mike Alstott

61.6% Maurice Jones-Drew

58.8% Marshawn Lynch

57.5% Thomas Jones

57.0% Frank Gore

Good numbers for Bettis - 9th out of 25 among a pretty strong group of RBs (and 7th out of 22 if you throw out Brady, Crockett, and Alstott). Although his lead over someone like Steven Jackson only amounts to 6 additional first downs over 8 seasons.

 

[Bri]

Not looking up stats...edge seems like he might be special for too short of time. He is possibly the best receiving back ever and his rushing stats were strong.

Tiki is from NY and their popularity, he was just a 3rd down back and overcame that and won a supe and...I never thought of him as HOF type. He did break records for one of the oldest franchises and records of HOFers. I thought team HOF with him

 

[Sweet Love]

Not looking up stats...edge seems like he might be special for too short of time. He is possibly the best receiving back ever and his rushing stats were strong.

Tiki is from NY and their popularity, he was just a 3rd down back and overcame that and won a supe and...I never thought of him as HOF type. He did break records for one of the oldest franchises and records of HOFers. I thought team HOF with him

Thing with Tiki is that in addition to what you mentioned, he alienated himself from his club for a period of time, and had that car wreck of a career post playing days in the media (the same people who will vote for him). Maybe it does not hold weight, but any borderline guy needs to be well-liked in order to get over the hump. Also, to rub salt in the "womb", he did not win a SB...the team won it the following year after he retired. Does not seem like he could have been THAT valuable

 

[moleculo]

Not looking up stats...edge seems like he might be special for too short of time. He is possibly the best receiving back ever and his rushing stats were strong.

Tiki is from NY and their popularity, he was just a 3rd down back and overcame that and won a supe and...I never thought of him as HOF type. He did break records for one of the oldest franchises and records of HOFers. I thought team HOF with him

Thing with Tiki is that in addition to what you mentioned, he alienated himself from his club for a period of time, and had that car wreck of a career post playing days in the media (the same people who will vote for him). Maybe it does not hold weight, but any borderline guy needs to be well-liked in order to get over the hump. Also, to rub salt in the "womb", he did not win a SB...the team won it the following year after he retired. Does not seem like he could have been THAT valuable

yeah, I think that's a BIG problem for Tiki.

 

[Hang 10]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

 

[Bri]

Not looking up stats...edge seems like he might be special for too short of time. He is possibly the best receiving back ever and his rushing stats were strong.

Tiki is from NY and their popularity, he was just a 3rd down back and overcame that and won a supe and...I never thought of him as HOF type. He did break records for one of the oldest franchises and records of HOFers. I thought team HOF with him

Thing with Tiki is that in addition to what you mentioned, he alienated himself from his club for a period of time, and had that car wreck of a career post playing days in the media (the same people who will vote for him). Maybe it does not hold weight, but any borderline guy needs to be well-liked in order to get over the hump. Also, to rub salt in the "womb", he did not win a SB...the team won it the following year after he retired. Does not seem like he could have been THAT valuable

Lost to Ravens...yep, you're right

Fassell is the only coach I can think of to have success and not really get another job offer. I thought he was blamed ultimately for the blowups. It's interesting as time passed this goes against Tiki and not Strahan. IIRC they were both vocal.

I'll tell ya that 2000 team was not that good, the coaching really was super.

I miss Ernie Accorsi and the way he talked to fans. Any old Giants fans want to read greatness look at the old newsgroup and search for him. And the fact that even once in long while he'd take some calls from fans on a radio show....wish today's GMs learned this from him.

 

[Bri]

I thought Steven Jackson was best when he was young and that Marshall Faulk was eons better.

I hadn't seen him in college and was fascinated with the idea of he and Marion in the same backfield. I liked their tough style of running and wished I could go back in time and see that before they entered the pros.

I'd watch Marshall get old and Marion do well. Even sharing with Jones, Barber got it done when Jones didn't. We had these shared backfield debates here and...anyhow for me, personally, Jackson was only wow for one season.

I think if he got better than when he was beastly and young, then he'd be in the HOF but I think his play regressed rather than improved as his career went along. He peaked in like year 3 or 4 and not with like a slow decline as many RBs have. He really dropped. Maybe it was injuries or the offensive style to blame, but his awesome year is like Ricky's awesome year. I'd argue each of those young players were about to be one of the best ever and...totally weren't. They had me hooked though. Jackson just became a good hard runner and wasn't half as exciting anymore.

 

[Tau837]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

 

[lod01]

Tim Brown should most definitely be in. His numbers are superior to Michael Irvin and Andre Reed. He played with mostly garbage QBs while they played with HOF QBs.

 

[matuski]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

I had no idea people held Bettis in this esteem.I don't see Sjax as HOF... But better than the Bus by a long shot.

 

[Hang 10]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

You are really stuck on titles like all pro, aren't you? Jackson's 2006 season is far and away better than Bettis' best season by a long shot. They also have the same amount of 1000 yard rushing seasons but Jackson has better per carry average and was/is 100x the receiver Bettis ever was. But their careers are not comparable?

 

[moleculo]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

You are really stuck on titles like all pro, aren't you? Jackson's 2006 season is far and away better than Bettis' best season by a long shot. They also have the same amount of 1000 yard rushing seasons but Jackson has better per carry average and was/is 100x the receiver Bettis ever was. But their careers are not comparable?

Jackson was never the most popular player on a team as popular as the steelers. Therefore, he has no shot.

HoF is nothing more than a popularity contest. Bettis being inducted is proof of that.

 

[JaxBill]

Another guy falling just short is Fred Taylor at 14,076 and a career 4.6 YPA behind some pretty bad lines.

Not saying he belongs, but he belongs in over Tiki.

 

[ShamrockPride]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

You are really stuck on titles like all pro, aren't you? Jackson's 2006 season is far and away better than Bettis' best season by a long shot. They also have the same amount of 1000 yard rushing seasons but Jackson has better per carry average and was/is 100x the receiver Bettis ever was. But their careers are not comparable?

68 rush TDs.....to Bettis 91 rush TDs. Not really comparable.

 

[Hang 10]

SJax shouldn't get in.

Agreed and he was much better player than Bettis.

Hell no he wasn't. Not only that he's made of glass.

Same amount of yards in 2 less seasons and a much more complete player.

Jackson has almost the same YFS. But he is far lower in rushing yards and rushing TDs. He was never 1st team All Pro and has no rings. He won no significant awards. His career doesn't compare to Bettis's career.

You are really stuck on titles like all pro, aren't you? Jackson's 2006 season is far and away better than Bettis' best season by a long shot. They also have the same amount of 1000 yard rushing seasons but Jackson has better per carry average and was/is 100x the receiver Bettis ever was. But their careers are not comparable?

68 rush TDs.....to Bettis 91 rush TDs. Not really comparable.

Neither is 200 receptions to 460. Also, 77 to 94 total TD's is pretty close for someone playing 2 less seasons.

 

[ZWK]

Per season averages (across 13 seasons for Bettis, 11 for Jackson):

Bettis: 14.8 games, 268/1051/7.0 rushing, 3.93 ypc, 15/111/0.2 receiving, 7.25 ypr, 1162 yfs, 7.2 TDs, 3.2 fumbles

S Jax: 14.4 games, 249/1035/6.2 rushing, 4.15 ypc, 42/333/0.8 receiving, 7.96 ypr, 1368 yfs, 7.0 TDs, 2.1 fumbles

 

[moleculo]

Per season averages (across 13 seasons for Bettis, 11 for Jackson):

Bettis: 14.8 games, 268/1051/7.0 rushing, 3.93 ypc, 15/111/0.2 receiving, 7.25 ypr, 1162 yfs, 7.2 TDs, 3.2 fumbles

S Jax: 14.4 games, 249/1035/6.2 rushing, 4.15 ypc, 42/333/0.8 receiving, 7.96 ypr, 1368 yfs, 7.0 TDs, 2.1 fumbles

Well, technically Bettis was in a timeshare with guys like Fast Willie Parker, Famous Amos Zereoue, and Deuce Staley, so that's going to impact Bettis' stats compilation. also, Bettis was used mostly as a short-yardage guy, so that will hurt his YPC.

also, they just elected a guy into the HoF who wasn't a clear starter over Fast Willie Parker, Famous Amos Zereoue, and Deuce Staley, so there is that.

eta: Deuce Staley.