Point Bonuses (1 Viewer)

[Pitch12]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now

5 pts = 300 passing yards

5 pts = 140 rushing yards

5 pts = 120 receiving yards

Are these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

I have never liked bonuses like that. Why should 300 yards be worth 5 more points than 299?

 

[PsychoMan]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

I have never liked bonuses like that. Why should 300 yards be worth 5 more points than 299?

I don't like them either. Why exactly DO people use them?

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

 

[Mystery Achiever]

i think the argument for them is that it adds a little interest and may put a premium on certain players

on the other side, it increases the luck over skill factor

 

[AngryPatriot]

I like em, why not. I play in leagues with both.( I do dislike low scoring systems... like qb td for 4 pts, or final scores like 48-39: lame.) But we do 3 pts at 100 yards for wr/rb, I think they're staggered for qb but do start at 300 yds I believe that at 150 yds wr and rb get another 1 pt. Have fun.

 

[turnit643]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

Without knowing what the rest of your scoring system looks like or the nature of your league in general, it's tough to say.I know leagues that were basic TD-only scoring that have adopted a similar bonus system that works fine for them.I'd assume many typical performance leagues in which players are gathering points all the way up to the bonus mark would incorporate a much smaller bonus, if any. Possibly 1 point at 300/100/100. If you really want to get into it, run some tests on last year's stats using a few different set-ups, present the results to your league and see which they like best.

 

[John Mamula]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

I have never liked bonuses like that. Why should 300 yards be worth 5 more points than 299?

i refuse to play in leagues with ######ed scoring noted above.

 

[joey]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

I have never liked bonuses like that. Why should 300 yards be worth 5 more points than 299?

i refuse to play in leagues with ######ed scoring noted above.

agreed.I just left a league I joined only last year with a bunch of old friends because I couldn'tstand those arbitrary yardage bonuses. The simple example I presented to my leaguebefore this season started was:RB1 gets 1 TD and 99yds = 6 pts + 9.9 pts = 15.9 ptsRB2 gets 0 TD and 100 yds = 0 pts + 10 pts + 5 bonus points = 15 pts.Does that look fair at all?!?! The other owners said "we've been playing with theserules for years and we're not gonna change them". I said "buh bye".

 

[The Mechanic]

In our redraft league ...

Bonus pts. 5 pts for 300 yds passing & 1 pt for every 20 yards after that.

REC....5 pts for 100 yds and 1 pt for every 20 after that.

RB. 5 pts for 100 and 1 pt for every 20 afterwards.

The extra after 100 or 300 was new last year....made some diffence at RB.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Is there even one benefit to bonuses?

I can't think of any.

 

[The Mechanic]

Is there even one benefit to bonuses?I can't think of any.

I'm not quite sure yet.Hey if i have the RB that scires 2 td;s and rushes for 221 yds, I'm happy.We have a anual meet on a pontoon boat and discuss any rule changes...this may come up for a vote.

 

[AcerFC]

I have to say that I like them also. We do 3 points for RBs and WRs over 100, 5 pts over 200. 4 points for 300 yard games and 6 points for 400 yard games.

We have been doing this for 4 years and every year I ask if anyone wants to change anything and this never comes up.

To each his own. If you dont like it then dont play in a league that uses it. But dont call it lame or ****ed. That is why this game is so much fun. There are so many different formats to play in. Its just a matter of finding one you like

 

[tomarken]

To each his own. If you dont like it then dont play in a league that uses it. But dont call it lame or ****ed. That is why this game is so much fun. There are so many different formats to play in. Its just a matter of finding one you like

Personally, I hate bonuses, and it is my opinion that they are extremely lame and upset the delicate luck/skill balance of the game. But if you and your leaguemates like it, then go crazy.

 

[ShadowMaster]

agreed.I just left a league I joined only last year with a bunch of old friends because I couldn'tstand those arbitrary yardage bonuses. The simple example I presented to my leaguebefore this season started was:RB1 gets 1 TD and 99yds = 6 pts + 9.9 pts = 15.9 ptsRB2 gets 0 TD and 100 yds = 0 pts + 10 pts + 5 bonus points = 15 pts.Does that look fair at all?!?! The other owners said "we've been playing with theserules for years and we're not gonna change them". I said "buh bye".

PERFECT example of why this type of scoring system sucks. You want to tune the rules and scoring to eliminate luck and reward skill as much as possible IMO.Here is another where you ONLY get yardage bonus, but no yardage points.RB1 (Barry Sanders) gets 25 carries for 99 yards, 9 receptions for 80 yards and 0 TDs = 0 pointsRB2 (Tommy Vardel) gets 1 carry for 1 Yd and 1TD = 6 ptsHow fair is that?

 

[Bob Henry]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

Without knowing what the rest of your scoring system looks like or the nature of your league in general, it's tough to say.

I have to agree with this take. The bonuses might be overkill if the rest of the scoring system is not well aligned with these numbers. I use bonuses in the league I've run for 15 years. Some like them, some don't.Again, it depends on the rest of your scoring system.. If you use PPR, or other non-standard categories like completions and rushing attempts, then adding bonuses can be a way to separate the top players from those who statistically bubble up into top/2nd tiers due to high stats in any of those categories. We also use bonuses for long TDs.. this is another way to differentiate the big play makers from the plodders, work horses or even possession WRs.There's no "right" answer, but it's more of a feel thing.. how does your league's majority feel? Does it make sense within your league's scoring system? That's how I'd approach it.

 

[-OZ-]

agreed.I just left a league I joined only last year with a bunch of old friends because I couldn'tstand those arbitrary yardage bonuses. The simple example I presented to my leaguebefore this season started was:RB1 gets 1 TD and 99yds = 6 pts + 9.9 pts = 15.9 ptsRB2 gets 0 TD and 100 yds = 0 pts + 10 pts + 5 bonus points = 15 pts.Does that look fair at all?!?! The other owners said "we've been playing with theserules for years and we're not gonna change them". I said "buh bye".

PERFECT example of why this type of scoring system sucks. You want to tune the rules and scoring to eliminate luck and reward skill as much as possible IMO.Here is another where you ONLY get yardage bonus, but no yardage points.RB1 (Barry Sanders) gets 25 carries for 99 yards, 9 receptions for 80 yards and 0 TDs = 0 pointsRB2 (Tommy Vardel) gets 1 carry for 1 Yd and 1TD = 6 ptsHow fair is that?

Agreed, if the ONLY points for yardage are the century mark or other #'s, you're right, but that's not the way I've seen it.Is there any less luck involved with reaching the extra yard into the endzone than the 100 yard game? This year will be my first using the bonuses, I set them up just to try something new. We may or may not use them again, but it won't be simply due to "luck".

 

[turnit643]

PERFECT example of why this type of scoring system sucks. You want to tune the rules and scoring to eliminate luck and reward skill as much as possible IMO.

Here is another where you ONLY get yardage bonus, but no yardage points.

RB1 (Barry Sanders) gets 25 carries for 99 yards, 9 receptions for 80 yards and 0 TDs = 0 points

RB2 (Tommy Vardel) gets 1 carry for 1 Yd and 1TD = 6 pts

How fair is that?

I don’t think the “Luck vs. Skill” argument is a good fit here. It would be tough to say that, in that particular format, owning Barry Sanders was more “skillful” than owning Tommy Vardell.Acer’s previous comment was correct: “If you don’t like it then don’t play in a league that uses it.” Simple as that. If you take part and choose to complain about scoring inefficiencies rather than exploit them, then I’d guess that it’s also likely you are being out-skilled by owners in that particular league.

Bottom line about bonuses is that some people prefer them, some don't, but I think it's hard to say that they are inherently good or bad.

 

[mozzy84]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.

one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

 

[ShadowMaster]

Bottom line about bonuses is that some people prefer them, some don't, but I think it's hard to say that they are inherently good or bad.

I see a number of examples here outlining how a bonus system offers completely wacky results to the LUCKY owner that had his guy cross the extra magic yard stick that week. I don't see a single example of how a bonus system is a better or more fair system.I think that shows the bonus system is a bad way to go

 

[mozzy84]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

ummm how is it unfair? Thats the rule??? Its just bonus points, some of you guys make it sound like its this huge deal, its something to shoot/root for while watching the games, I love it when I see my qb has over 150 at halftime and I'll tune into that game a little closer maybe.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Bonus' are fun.. thats Y people implement them into the scoring.... if you don't like it; find a league with out them.

Now for my league... I work my bonus' a little different.

Offense Players

QB: Bonus of 3pts after 300 yds and each yd after is worth .05 instead of .04, extra 2 pts on the 25th comp

EX on the yardage bonuse: 25 yds prior to 300 yds = 1 pt; 25 yds after 300 yds = 1.25 pt

WR: Bonus of 2.5 pts on the 100th rec yd and each yd after is worth .125, extra 2 pts on 150 rec yds

TE: Bonus of 3 pts on the 75th rec yd and each yd after is worth .14, extra 1 pt on 100 rec yds

RB: Bonus of 2.5 pts on the 100th ru/rec yd and each yd after is worth .125, extra 2 pts on 25th ru attempt

IDPs: Bonus

DL additional 3 pts on the 4th solo and each solo is worth 2.5 afterwards, extra 1 pt on the 4th assist

LB/DB additional 3 pts on the 6th solo and each solo is worth 2.5 afterwards, extra 1 pt on the 6th assist

http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2007...=69276&O=09

 

[Anthony Borbely]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.

one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

ummm how is it unfair?

It is unfair when the rules give 1 point per 25 passing yards (or whatever), up to 299...and 5 points for ONE yard, but ONLY if it is the 300th yard. Why should you get 5 points for going from 299 to 300? That brings fluky luck into the equation and takes away from the game. You can't use your skills to determine who will get 299 and who will get 300....because research will lead you to the SAME PLAYER.

The fact is scoring like that is too gimmicky.

 

[mozzy84]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.

one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

ummm how is it unfair?

It is unfair when the rules give 1 point per 25 passing yards (or whatever), up to 299...and 5 points for ONE yard, but ONLY if it is the 300th yard. Why should you get 5 points for going from 299 to 300? That brings fluky luck into the equation and takes away from the game. You can't use your skills to determine who will get 299 and who will get 300....because research will lead you to the SAME PLAYER.

The fact is scoring like that is too gimmicky.

I guess I play fantasy football for fun and make a little money hopefully, you make it sound like this is an exact science.

 

[kensat30]

The oldest league that I am a part of, which I joined in 1998, used to have bonus points for yardage. The league started as a TD-only league, but then several owners realized that yards were important too. Now they didn't want to make yards worth a whole lot more than TDs, so they choose a bonus point only yardage system. Over the years the bonuses were phased out and replaced with traditional yardage scoring, but TDs were raised in value too.

That league wants to emphasis that the TD is sacred and SHOULD be worth a ton of points.

Peyton Manning has been drafted #1 overall 3 years running in that league.

 

[anguskahn]

I am tweaking my league's settings this season and decide to add bonuses for yardage per week. Here's what I have right now5 pts = 300 passing yards5 pts = 140 rushing yards5 pts = 120 receiving yardsAre these fair yardages for the bonuses? Should I decrease rushing yards, increasing receiving yards? Please help! Thanks

I have never liked bonuses like that. Why should 300 yards be worth 5 more points than 299?

I agree why should 300yds be worth 5 more points than 299.But think outside the box. Why not...1pt bonus for 220-239 yds2pt bonus for 240-259 yds3pt bonus for 260-279 yds4pt bonus for 280-299 yds5pt bonus for 300+ ydsWhy do bonuses have to be all or nothing?

 

[turnit643]

Bottom line about bonuses is that some people prefer them, some don't, but I think it's hard to say that they are inherently good or bad.

I see a number of examples here outlining how a bonus system offers completely wacky results to the LUCKY owner that had his guy cross the extra magic yard stick that week. I don't see a single example of how a bonus system is a better or more fair system.I think that shows the bonus system is a bad way to go

If you have convinced yourself that the skill of this game extends beyond the things that you can actually control (your draft strategy and execution to get the guys you want, your waiver bids, your trade negotiations, etc.), we’ll likely never agree on this bonus points thing.You are a LUCKY owner if your guy doesn’t get hurt. You are a LUCKY owner if your guy surpasses your projections for the year. You are a LUCKY owner if someone else’s player gets hurt and leaves your player in a more valuable position. You are a LUCKY owner if your fantasy opponent’s QB throws a pick when the catchable pass skips out of his receiver’s hands. You are a LUCKY owner if you start a player on a hunch and he has a career game or if your player fumbles and it’s recovered by a teammate or when your player’s team gets a takeaway at the 2 and you get a cheap TD late in the game. You are a LUCKY owner if your player happens to hit that "extra magic yard stick" just as you are a LUCKY owner if your guy scores a TD. None of these things have anything to do with your skill, should they all be outlawed?

You don’t like bonuses, other people do, I don't care much either way. No matter what the scoring system you can only so so much to put your fantasy team in position to win and beyond that, it all comes down to luck.

 

[turnit643]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.

one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

ummm how is it unfair?

It is unfair when the rules give 1 point per 25 passing yards (or whatever), up to 299...and 5 points for ONE yard, but ONLY if it is the 300th yard. Why should you get 5 points for going from 299 to 300? That brings fluky luck into the equation and takes away from the game. You can't use your skills to determine who will get 299 and who will get 300....because research will lead you to the SAME PLAYER.

The fact is scoring like that is too gimmicky.

It’s “fair” because the owners in that league have agreed to play their game using that as a rule. In your opinion, and probably in the opinion of many others, scoring like that is too gimmicky, but it’s far from a universal fact.

I don’t happen to think the 5 point bonus is the way to go if players are getting points for yardage all the way up to and past 300, but that’s because I think it’s just too much, not because I think bonus points have no place in fantasy football. I also have no problem with awarding bonus points for that other single magical yardline at the end of the field.

 

[-OZ-]

we do 5 point bonus for 300 yards passing and 2 points for 100 rushing or receiving. I've never heard anyone complain about it anyways, everyone drafts and plays by the same set of rules.

one other league we have double points for td's over 50 yards.

Again, I have to ask how is it fair to give 5 points for 1 passing yard (the difference between the 5 point bonus at 300 and nothing for 299)

ummm how is it unfair?

It is unfair when the rules give 1 point per 25 passing yards (or whatever), up to 299...and 5 points for ONE yard, but ONLY if it is the 300th yard. Why should you get 5 points for going from 299 to 300? That brings fluky luck into the equation and takes away from the game. You can't use your skills to determine who will get 299 and who will get 300....because research will lead you to the SAME PLAYER.

The fact is scoring like that is too gimmicky.

It’s “fair” because the owners in that league have agreed to play their game using that as a rule. In your opinion, and probably in the opinion of many others, scoring like that is too gimmicky, but it’s far from a universal fact.

I don’t happen to think the 5 point bonus is the way to go if players are getting points for yardage all the way up to and past 300, but that’s because I think it’s just too much, not because I think bonus points have no place in fantasy football. I also have no problem with awarding bonus points for that other single magical yardline at the end of the field.

"Unfair" would be if one team received bonus points and others didn't. Is it unfair if both of our WRs catch a pass in the end zone, but my WR got nullified by some assinine penalty? That my RB went off for a 65 yard TD, but that got nullified because a T gets called for holding, while your RB fumbled, but that got called back because of some other penalty?

If the rules are consistent and the league agrees to them, or doesn't complain before the season, they are fair.

 

[sizzer55]

first off, i really prefer yardage-heavy leagues. td's (obviously important for nfl teams to win games) can be very random and often not a good indication of a player's value to the team. sure, determining a player's value using yardage isn't perfect either but i generally think it is a much better indicator than td's. i'm sure many remember the extreme example of bettis a few years ago when he had five rushes for one yard and three touchdowns in a game. i don't like goal line backs that get very few carries and yards being more valuable in ff than a lot of backs that are many times more involved in their offenses but happen to not get td's.

of course, whatever the rules are in a particular league, they are the same for all and therefore fair. i know i'd never play in a td-only league though. i often hear people talking about wanting consistent performers and it seems that there is generally much more consistency in yardage than in td's.

now to the topic at hand. i don't think this has been stated in this thread yet but........yardage bonuses reward inconsistent players. period. i don't have a problem with bonuses as long as they are relatively small. it drove me crazy for years in my main league because our bonuses were too big and regular yardage was too small. we had 1 pt per 25 yds rush/rec and a 6 point bonus for 100 yard games of either. so 99 yards was 3 points and 100 yds was 10 pts. it was pretty much like you only cared if your guys got the bonus or not. i finally got them to change it to 1 pt per 20 yds a few years ago and this year we are going to 1 pt per 15 yds. so now it will be 6 pts for 99 yds and 12 pts for 100 yds. still too big of a bonus but atleast it's better than before.

as far as bonuses rewarding inconsistency. an example using my original scoring system: 1 per 25 and 6 pt bonus at 100. player A gets exactly 50 yards every week for the entire season and finishes the season with 800 yards and 32 ff points. player B alternates 0 yard games and 100 yard games for the entire season and finishes the season with 800 yards and 80 ff points. so these players have the same stats at the end of the season and player B has 250% more ff points than player A because he is inconsistent. sure player B gives you a big zero for eight of the weeks but is player A's 2 points per week going to win you many games?

again, i don't have a problem with bonuses. i just think they should be relatively small. maybe 2 or 3 points for my league's scoring system. maybe 3 points for leagues with 1 pt per 10 yds rush/rec.