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Porter & Moss *officially* being shopped (1 Viewer)

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It was a rumor before, at least with Moss. Now it's been confirmed, with Porter included.

But Oakland could be far from through dealing. Teams around the league have confirmed that Oakland is shopping its two high-profile receivers -- Randy Moss and Jerry Porter -- seeing what it can get in return.

Problem is, it's a buyer's market.

Neither player has much value around the league, plus Raiders owner Al Davis typically wants a ransom for his players. Just last year, he was asking for two first-round picks in return for Porter. But new coaching staffs like to start with their own players. Moss and Porter are leftovers from other regimes and darker times.

It would surprise nobody if neither receiver returns to Oakland this season, whether each is traded or even released. Should the Raiders release Moss, they would get the greatest return he could bring: Oakland would free up his $9.75 million base salary and save $7.75 million against its salary cap this season and another $9.25 million next season, space that could and would be used on other players.

Porter's contract voids after this season, so teams would be leery about trading for him. If Oakland cut him now, the Raiders would lose $4 million in salary-cap space this season, so it looks like, for now, Porter is back in Oakland.
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Wow. If this is true, and it looks like it may be, I wonder how this will change Porters attitude and outlook for the new staff in Oakland.

Not to long ago during a radio interview Porter sounded pretty excited about the new outlook in Oakland, but this could definitely change that...

The other interesting factor here is that if Oakland is willing to part with either, or both, does this show any indication that CJ will be the first name called on Saturday?

 
kaso said:
The other interesting factor here is that if Oakland is willing to part with either, or both, does this show any indication that CJ will be the first name called on Saturday?
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Seems pretty clear that if this is true, Calvin will be wearing silver & black.All we need is a decent QB in return.

 
I think that A Rogers for Moss deal would of been great the Raiders... You get a 1st round QB w/ experience and CJ2. Farve isn't ready to leave the game this year and I feel next yr either, so it doesn't make sense for GB to hold onto this kid.

Rogers is a tough kid; don't forget last yr against the Pats, he got his foot broke and stayed in the game because he wanted to play.

 
I'm so :banned: right now, actually.

Adam Schefter SWEARS that you can take it to Vegas and book it that the Raiders will take Russell, citing Al Davis comparing him to John Elway. Davis tried to trade for Elway after the Colts drafted him. Oakland needs a QB badly, and Russell throws the deep ball which Al loves, so why would they pass on JM?

Then you hear other reports that Davis is head-over-heels in love with Johnson, and the fact that Porter AND Moss are being shopped would seem to indicate that Johnson is the pick. :lmao:

I give the old man credit for one thing... he's not tipping his hand at all.

Either that or he is genuinely confused. (Shaddup!) :cry:

 
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Phurfur said:
RAIDERNATION said:
kaso said:
The other interesting factor here is that if Oakland is willing to part with either, or both, does this show any indication that CJ will be the first name called on Saturday?
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Seems pretty clear that if this is true, Calvin will be wearing silver & black.All we need is a decent QB in return.
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In return for what?
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Porter or Moss.What else would possibly be the play here???

 
RAIDERNATION said:
kaso said:
The other interesting factor here is that if Oakland is willing to part with either, or both, does this show any indication that CJ will be the first name called on Saturday?
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Seems pretty clear that if this is true, Calvin will be wearing silver & black.All we need is a decent QB in return.
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it certainly would seem that calvin would be their choice. as a new caoch, i wouldn't want to begin my tenure with 2 vocal, underachieving, and malcontent wideouts. curry and the other dude can't seem to stay healthy or consistent.maybe they'll add mclown from detriot. it's kind of like the chicken and egg type thing. which do you draft 1st. the QB or the WR?

 
kaso said:
Wow. If this is true, and it looks like it may be, I wonder how this will change Porters attitude and outlook for the new staff in Oakland.Not to long ago during a radio interview Porter sounded pretty excited about the new outlook in Oakland, but this could definitely change that...The other interesting factor here is that if Oakland is willing to part with either, or both, does this show any indication that CJ will be the first name called on Saturday?
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If he's still on the team in August, this will increase the likelyhood that Porter fakes another pre-season injury like he has the past 3 years.
 
If I'm an NFL GM I'm on Porter like white on rice. Still in his prime with a decent contract...white on rice.

 
It seems like it is a little late in the game for OAK to try and trade these guys for any real value. They are better off drafting Russell and letting it all hang out.

 
Has not Moss said he wants out? Is not the big reason he is hard to move in trade his contract? Have they gone to him and said 'look, if you want out fine- we will trade you. But teams dont want your contract, so you need to re-do it and then we will work very hard to move you to the team of your choice.' then they get something in return for Moss rather than just cutting him.

 
Chadstroma said:
Has not Moss said he wants out? Is not the big reason he is hard to move in trade his contract? Have they gone to him and said 'look, if you want out fine- we will trade you. But teams dont want your contract, so you need to re-do it and then we will work very hard to move you to the team of your choice.' then they get something in return for Moss rather than just cutting him.
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I'm guessing he's not interested in taking a pay cut or reworking his contract. But you are right, a more cap friendly contract would help a trade go through. Otherwise they would have done this already.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
I'm so :thumbup: right now, actually.

Adam Schefter SWEARS that you can take it to Vegas and book it that the Raiders will take Russell, citing Al Davis comparing him to John Elway. Davis tried to trade for Elway after the Colts drafted him. Oakland needs a QB badly, and Russell throws the deep ball which Al loves, so why would they pass on JM?

Then you hear other reports that Davis is head-over-heels in love with Johnson, and the fact that Porter AND Moss are being shopped would seem to indicate that Johnson is the pick. :hifive:



I give the old man credit for one thing... he's not tipping his hand at all.

Either that or he is genuinely confused. (Shaddup!) :thumbup:
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i think this is the key. the evil emperor wants a total cloud over his pick. this will fuel the cj trades big time. he wants to hear what everyone will offer for that 1st pick. write it down, moss is the only one of the 2 going anywhere, if that.
 
Routilla said:
Chadstroma said:
Has not Moss said he wants out? Is not the big reason he is hard to move in trade his contract? Have they gone to him and said 'look, if you want out fine- we will trade you. But teams dont want your contract, so you need to re-do it and then we will work very hard to move you to the team of your choice.' then they get something in return for Moss rather than just cutting him.
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I'm guessing he's not interested in taking a pay cut or reworking his contract. But you are right, a more cap friendly contract would help a trade go through. Otherwise they would have done this already.
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Yup- agreed. I just think you sit Moss down and say straight to his face. "if you want to make the money you are making then you are going to need to be a Raider and fulfill your contract. If you do not want to be a Raider, then you are going to have to show other teams you are willing to take a pay cut to play for them. What is your decision?" Really, the Raiders took the chance on him as their past is famous for doing with players and there is always going to be a team ready to take a chance on a talented players (Cowboys and T.O. for instance) but at some point a player has to realize, or an agent tell him, that he is in the end costing himself money. You think teams would balk at his contract if he was a perfect citizen, team player, and gave his all 100% of the time? Heck no! I dont understand these players sometimes. :thumbup:
 
Chadstroma said:
Has not Moss said he wants out? Is not the big reason he is hard to move in trade his contract? Have they gone to him and said 'look, if you want out fine- we will trade you. But teams dont want your contract, so you need to re-do it and then we will work very hard to move you to the team of your choice.' then they get something in return for Moss rather than just cutting him.
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I think moss would rather get cut than take a paycut and have the raiders get something for him. I think he gets cut.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
RAIDERNATION said:
I'm so :D right now, actually.

Adam Schefter SWEARS that you can take it to Vegas and book it that the Raiders will take Russell, citing Al Davis comparing him to John Elway. Davis tried to trade for Elway after the Colts drafted him. Oakland needs a QB badly, and Russell throws the deep ball which Al loves, so why would they pass on JM?

Then you hear other reports that Davis is head-over-heels in love with Johnson, and the fact that Porter AND Moss are being shopped would seem to indicate that Johnson is the pick. :thumbup:



I give the old man credit for one thing... he's not tipping his hand at all.

Either that or he is genuinely confused. (Shaddup!) :angry:
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i think this is the key. the evil emperor wants a total cloud over his pick. this will fuel the cj trades big time. he wants to hear what everyone will offer for that 1st pick. write it down, moss is the only one of the 2 going anywhere, if that.
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Good point... the 'Hello? Ravens? You guys want Moss? Howabout Porter? Curry? Any WR? Are you sure?' ok... call the Dolphins now..... 'Hey, you want Moss? Howabout Porter.......' may be a great way to get around the league that you are serious about picking CJ. Maybe they are... maybe they are looking to get a trade (PLEASE!)..... but it seems to me the best route to go. Cover your bases and try to create some movement.
 
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.

So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft.

I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.

 
We will see how things sort out draft day, but I would not be surprised if both are still Raiders for a while more. I think teams are going to balk at the high price and wait until it comes down.

 
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft. I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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:lmao:
 
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft. I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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Well thought out and I do not disagree with you but you also have to account for the maverick nature of Al Davis. I honestly would not be surprised if the Raiders stay put that they took CJ. I am not saying they will, but when it comes to Al, all things are possible.
 
RAIDERNATION said:
I'm so :ptts: right now, actually.

Adam Schefter SWEARS that you can take it to Vegas and book it that the Raiders will take Russell, citing Al Davis comparing him to John Elway. Davis tried to trade for Elway after the Colts drafted him. Oakland needs a QB badly, and Russell throws the deep ball which Al loves, so why would they pass on JM?

Then you hear other reports that Davis is head-over-heels in love with Johnson, and the fact that Porter AND Moss are being shopped would seem to indicate that Johnson is the pick. :shrug:

I give the old man credit for one thing... he's not tipping his hand at all.

Either that or he is genuinely confused. (Shaddup!) :boxing:
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if its insider info i side with schefter. he's the man.
 
chris1969 said:
Moss and Porter for Culpepper and a Pick? It would seem to solve problems on both teams.
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:thumbup: How about Culpepper for a official fleece Raider pullover?Everything that's come out of Al's mouth, from expressing regret at passing on Leinart, to comparing Russell to Elway, plus the fact that Porter is a Davis favorite, plus the feeling that Davis would rather not admit a mistake with Moss, and it all points to JRuss.If I had to guess, by Week 1, Moss is gone and Porter's still here.
 
Chadstroma said:
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft. I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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Well thought out and I do not disagree with you but you also have to account for the maverick nature of Al Davis. I honestly would not be surprised if the Raiders stay put that they took CJ. I am not saying they will, but when it comes to Al, all things are possible.
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I agree with Family Matters on this, add in the fact that Sheflter supports the selection of Russell and it really has some weight to it. The problem is exactly what Chadstroma pointed out, it's Al Davis... anything can happen. I think there is even a risk for Davis to take CJ out of spite if he doesn't get the trade down he is looking for!
 
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft. I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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so what you're saying is...exactly what i said 6 posts above yours. :lmao:
 
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massraider said:
chris1969 said:
Moss and Porter for Culpepper and a Pick? It would seem to solve problems on both teams.
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:shock: How about Culpepper for a official fleece Raider pullover?Everything that's come out of Al's mouth, from expressing regret at passing on Leinart, to comparing Russell to Elway, plus the fact that Porter is a Davis favorite, plus the feeling that Davis would rather not admit a mistake with Moss, and it all points to JRuss.If I had to guess, by Week 1, Moss is gone and Porter's still here.
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How about they trade pull-overs and cut all the players mentioned above. :rolleyes:
 
chris1969 said:
massraider said:
chris1969 said:
Moss and Porter for Culpepper and a Pick? It would seem to solve problems on both teams.
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:shock: How about Culpepper for a official fleece Raider pullover?Everything that's come out of Al's mouth, from expressing regret at passing on Leinart, to comparing Russell to Elway, plus the fact that Porter is a Davis favorite, plus the feeling that Davis would rather not admit a mistake with Moss, and it all points to JRuss.If I had to guess, by Week 1, Moss is gone and Porter's still here.
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How about they trade pull-overs and cut all the players mentioned above. :rolleyes:
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I'll be honest with you, I'd be fine with that. I don't care if we get anything for Moss, and while this seems to be a new and improved Porter, he can take his candybone ### on down the road as well.
 
Chadstroma said:
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.

So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft.

I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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Well thought out and I do not disagree with you but you also have to account for the maverick nature of Al Davis. I honestly would not be surprised if the Raiders stay put that they took CJ. I am not saying they will, but when it comes to Al, all things are possible.
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You are so right about that.
 
DA RAIDERS said:
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft. I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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so what you're saying is...exactly what i said 6 posts above yours. :goodposting:
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:wall:
 
massraider said:
chris1969 said:
Moss and Porter for Culpepper and a Pick? It would seem to solve problems on both teams.
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:thumbup: How about Culpepper for a official fleece Raider pullover?Everything that's come out of Al's mouth, from expressing regret at passing on Leinart, to comparing Russell to Elway, plus the fact that Porter is a Davis favorite, plus the feeling that Davis would rather not admit a mistake with Moss, and it all points to JRuss.If I had to guess, by Week 1, Moss is gone and Porter's still here.
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Great post!!! We will trade down to TB on draft day for draft picks, as TB wants CJ. In that pick, after acquiring 3-5 picks, we will draft Russel. In the meantime we will pick up McCowne or DPepeper......mark my words, this will happen and you can re-post.
 
jdraiders said:
massraider said:
chris1969 said:
Moss and Porter for Culpepper and a Pick? It would seem to solve problems on both teams.
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:thumbup: How about Culpepper for a official fleece Raider pullover?Everything that's come out of Al's mouth, from expressing regret at passing on Leinart, to comparing Russell to Elway, plus the fact that Porter is a Davis favorite, plus the feeling that Davis would rather not admit a mistake with Moss, and it all points to JRuss.If I had to guess, by Week 1, Moss is gone and Porter's still here.
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Great post!!! We will trade down to TB on draft day for draft picks, as TB wants CJ. In that pick, after acquiring 3-5 picks, we will draft Russel. In the meantime we will pick up McCowne or DPepeper......mark my words, this will happen and you can re-post.
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I think I read that if it happens the Raiders most likely could get all of Tampa's picks this year and possibly their 2008 1st too.. If that happened I would be estatic.
 
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I can actually buy into you guys saying that Al wants to "make everyone think I want to draft CJ by trying to trade Moss and/or Porter at this time (i.e. so close to the draft). It makes complete sense to me. It really does.

But what if...

Al really DOES want CJ, takes him #1, and then plans on trying to get Stanton in the 2nd (or 3rd)? He just lets everyone THINK he wants Russell. Al may be up there in years, but I think his mind is still as sharp as ever...

Curry and Gabriel are good (I like Gabriel better). IMO, Moss will be gone (maybe they can throw Whitted into the deal, sorry but I am not a fan of his... I can't imagine this ever happening, but who knows), but I do think Porter will still be there, tho. He has been pretty positive lately, kinda like he really wants to play there. IMO he wants to be there, and he's not BS-ing. Who would possibly try to *pretend* to want to play for the Raiders after these last few years??

JMO..... what do you all think?

 
Family Matters said:
Chadstroma said:
Family Matters said:
Here's my take. Davis knows that the only player the league views as trading up for to the #1 is Calvin Johnson. Davis also knows that it's the worst secret ever that he's taking Russell or possibly Quinn. He has to really because he has nothing else at QB and he blew it last year.

So how do you get teams to trade up to #1 to get Johnson? You make it seem like you really are interested in CJ by trying to show other owners you are interested in trading Moss and Porter. The thing is the asking price is too high and that's likely by design. What ADavis would like ius to trade down a couple of spots and still get Russell or maybe even Quinn. But with a trade he comes out better by dropping to a lower salary slot and gaining an extra pick or two later in the draft.

I think that's what this is really about. If he makes just 1 team think he's going after CJ then he's got a possible suitor. And with 1 possible suitor you have 2 or 3 potentially. Davis may be old and carzy but he's still wiley in some ways.
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Well thought out and I do not disagree with you but you also have to account for the maverick nature of Al Davis. I honestly would not be surprised if the Raiders stay put that they took CJ. I am not saying they will, but when it comes to Al, all things are possible.
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You are so right about that.
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Wouldn't it be so like Al Davis, if he surprised everyone and did something comepletely unexpected and drafts either Adrian Peterson, Joe Thomas, Gaines Adams or LaRon Landry? Nothing would surprise me on draft day from an owner who has drafted a punter AND a kicker in the 1st round in the past. I don't think it will happen, I'm just throwin it out there.
 
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