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Portis A Horrible Start In Week 2? (1 Viewer)

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FBG's has Portis ranked out of the top 25 this week in his start against the Eagles. I thought Portis looked solid in week 1 & should get more carries as he gets back into football playing condition. He was clearly the better back comparative to Betts. Is it a fear of continued 50/50 split with Betts that has some people ranked him so low? What are your thoughts on the issue?

 
Even if Portis only gets 50% of the carries he's still going to be a beast. If you have him on your roster, you start him.

 
FBG's has Portis ranked out of the top 25 this week in his start against the Eagles. I thought Portis looked solid in week 1 & should get more carries as he gets back into football playing condition. He was clearly the better back comparative to Betts. Is it a fear of continued 50/50 split with Betts that has some people ranked him so low? What are your thoughts on the issue?
Pretty sure this will be revised.
 
i heard something about portis getting bruised ribs in week one. it didn't sound too serious but could be a factor in the low ranking.

 
I think he's a great start, could put up top 5-8 numbers the rest of the way if he remains healthy.

 
I wouldn't hesitate to start him this week at all. That ranking will also likely be updated before the end of the week.

 
I have full confidence Joe and david correct oversights like this after the injury reports come out.

I don't even look at our Tuesday night/Wed. morning preliminary cheatsheets. I check on Thursday forward because that gives the boys some time for tweaks and oversights.

 
Having a tough time again deciding between Portis and MJD...

For what it's worth, Betts ran for 182 against Philly at the end of last season... and so I'm leaning towards Portis at the moment...

 
richn said:
Philly run D looked good last week, I know it was GB. How is The eagles run "D"??
They have not been good the last few years against the run. As you say, they were statistically good against GB. But, Washington's ground game is light years better than GB's.
 
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Having a tough time again deciding between Portis and MJD... For what it's worth, Betts ran for 182 against Philly at the end of last season... and so I'm leaning towards Portis at the moment...
I found this which might help you decide Portis had Philly's number in 2005, totaling 179 rush yards and three rush TDs in two games, IMO not to bad?
 
richn said:
Philly run D looked good last week, I know it was GB. How is The eagles run "D"??
I think that the low rating for Portis is an over reaction to how well the Eagles stuffed GB's running game last week. That was more a testament of GB's poor run offense than a stout Eagles run defense. IMHO - the Eagles won't be any better vs the run than they have been in the past. Why would they? Two out of 3 LB's are new at their positions and Spikes is new to the Eagles. Yes - Bunkley is another year older but so is Dawkins. Trotter is gone and I think Gaither is too light to play the middle. In the opinion of one Eagles fan - I think the Eagles run D will rank somewhere in the middle of the pack - at best.
 
richn said:
Philly run D looked good last week, I know it was GB. How is The eagles run "D"??
I think that the low rating for Portis is an over reaction to how well the Eagles stuffed GB's running game last week. That was more a testament of GB's poor run offense than a stout Eagles run defense. IMHO - the Eagles won't be any better vs the run than they have been in the past. Why would they? Two out of 3 LB's are new at their positions and Spikes is new to the Eagles. Yes - Bunkley is another year older but so is Dawkins. Trotter is gone and I think Gaither is too light to play the middle. In the opinion of one Eagles fan - I think the Eagles run D will rank somewhere in the middle of the pack - at best.
:goodposting: I think this is a fair assessment.

Also, week 1 showed us that the 'Skins will allow Campbell to take shots deep, and with Shepherd out that may mean that they connect on a few, which can only help Portis.

 
I imagine Portis will be up to the 15-20 range by Saturday in Dodds rankings if Portis practices fully this week.
The guy who was RB11 in week one on only 17 touches against a good D should rank pretty well against a team that has been fairly bad against the run the last few years.
 
Having a tough time again deciding between Portis and MJD... For what it's worth, Betts ran for 182 against Philly at the end of last season... and so I'm leaning towards Portis at the moment...
In that spot I like Portis. I have Edge as #2...tougher choice, Edge or Portis
 
Tough call for me this week. My options are him, Ward against GB, or Evans @ Pitt. I'll have to wait and see how Portis is in practice this week and how the breakdown is supposed to be in NYGs run game this week.

 
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the eagles run d is much better this year... bunkley held out last year and his season was a waste... he learned from it, came back in great shape and has looked very good... only 1 tackle but he forced his way into the backfield a lot... because of bunkley's improvennt, mike patterson looked better

lb we can't be any worse than last year... trotter couldn't run and dhani was horrible... spikes is back from his injury and played very good lasy week... gocong and gaither will take their lumps as new starters but they are a big upgrade....

the whole philosophy of jj's d is a good d line and good secondary... having lbs who can make plays is a nice bonus

de is better too... kearse isn't what he was.... bur cole is excellent and victor a(cant spell his name) is a good prospect

so they are not as bad as last year... they aren't the bears but they can be upper teens at worst this year......

 
i heard something about portis getting bruised ribs in week one. it didn't sound too serious but could be a factor in the low ranking.
Yup...believe this is the reason for that ranking as of today.
Bruised ribs were reported as happening in the first quarter, since it didnt seem to worry Portis I wouldnt let it worry you. Im personally trying to pick two out of AP, Portis and MJD. MJD and Peterson both going against soft run defense, but I like Portis alot and I dont see Philly as a strong run stopper
 
Eagles D is legit this year. If anything starting a WR for the redskins might be a good move with Lite Shep. being out

 
FWP vs. Bills, Portis vs. Eagles, AD vs. Lions...

An embarrassment of riches. For now, based on FBG help, I'm starting Willie and Adrian. But it's tough for me to sit Portis knowing his success last week and last year vs. the Eagles.

 
Eagles D is legit this year. If anything starting a WR for the redskins might be a good move with Lite Shep. being out
Well, I would suggest you give a good look at Moss if that's the way you want to play this, as Moss figures to have a chip on his shoulder after dropping three passes last week.
 
Sep 12 Portis was not limited in Wednesday's practice, according to the Redskins' official site.

Recommendation: He battled knee and rib injuries last week, but should be close to 100 percent in Week 2. Portis will still yield some carries to Ladell Betts, but he made a strong showing in Week 1 and could gain a greater share of the carries with improved health.

 
Carter_Can_Fly said:
Sep 12 Portis was not limited in Wednesday's practice, according to the Redskins' official site.
They didn't practice yesterday. It was a day off since they don't play until Monday night.
 
FWP vs. Bills, Portis vs. Eagles, AD vs. Lions...An embarrassment of riches. For now, based on FBG help, I'm starting Willie and Adrian. But it's tough for me to sit Portis knowing his success last week and last year vs. the Eagles.
Why would you ever base who you are going to start on the rankings and/or opinions of those on a ff web site? The skins are a running team. They will be a running team all year long. You go Portis and you don't look back. He'll score monday night and will likely crack the 100 yard barrier.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I agree after Jansen's knee injury against Denver in the preseason he has never really been dominant. I can recall several times last year that he was just getting bull rushed and pushed back into Brunell. When Wade started in the New Orleans game I saw none of that, may have just been one game, but all I can say is thank god we got Pete Kendall. I would hate to see Stephon Heyer and Todd Wade starting.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
He's been solid his whole career(especially when you consider that he's played hurt serveral times). I just haven't heard anybody say that Jansen and Wade are equal or better. Normally I'd say that the Skins would have wade playing if he was better but this is the Skins organization we're talking about. They have been known to bench their better players for not taking pay cuts or because Snyder doesn't like them(usually for not taking a pay cut). Last week it was Springs. I suppose as long as the suckers are going to keep going to the stadium and lining the boy owner's pockets, things will remain as they are. I agree on Cooley. He was extremely limited in the passing game once Jansen went out. Had Wade been active, they wouldn't have had to play the rookie.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
He's been solid his whole career(especially when you consider that he's played hurt serveral times). I just haven't heard anybody say that Jansen and Wade are equal or better. Normally I'd say that the Skins would have wade playing if he was better but this is the Skins organization we're talking about. They have been known to bench their better players for not taking pay cuts or because Snyder doesn't like them(usually for not taking a pay cut). Last week it was Springs. I suppose as long as the suckers are going to keep going to the stadium and lining the boy owner's pockets, things will remain as they are. I agree on Cooley. He was extremely limited in the passing game once Jansen went out. Had Wade been active, they wouldn't have had to play the rookie.
Yeah I hear you, I really hope this whole Springs benching (which I have heard he will be the #1 this week) really was due to his hammy needing taped rather than the petty money issue. I also heard via extremeskins that the Dolphins had a man both underneath and over the top of Cooley all game. All I know is on 3rd and 7 Captain Chaos saved the day.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
He's been solid his whole career(especially when you consider that he's played hurt serveral times). I just haven't heard anybody say that Jansen and Wade are equal or better. Normally I'd say that the Skins would have wade playing if he was better but this is the Skins organization we're talking about. They have been known to bench their better players for not taking pay cuts or because Snyder doesn't like them(usually for not taking a pay cut). Last week it was Springs. I suppose as long as the suckers are going to keep going to the stadium and lining the boy owner's pockets, things will remain as they are. I agree on Cooley. He was extremely limited in the passing game once Jansen went out. Had Wade been active, they wouldn't have had to play the rookie.
Yeah I hear you, I really hope this whole Springs benching (which I have heard he will be the #1 this week) really was due to his hammy needing taped rather than the petty money issue. I also heard via extremeskins that the Dolphins had a man both underneath and over the top of Cooley all game. All I know is on 3rd and 7 Captain Chaos saved the day.
He sure did. And yes, they had him wrapped up most of the game when he attempted to go out. With El coming on, maybe teams won't be so quick to clamp down on Cooley. Miami did what I would have done. Prior to that game, all they know was what we all knew: Cooley and Moss are their best wr's and you don't have to worry about anyody else. That's still true of that bum Lloyd. Man, Riggo was right about that guy. He's worthless and lazy. Check the replay of the endzone pick that Campbell tossed. Lloyd made no effort to go after the guy. NONE. He just stood there looking on as if he were a fan with a good seat. man that guy is pathetic. I don't blame guys like Springs for not taking a pay cut. They play their butt's off as starters and then a bum like Lloyd gets the big bucks. Then, the Skins have the nerve to ask those who are producing to take pay cuts. All they are doing by agreeing to take the cuts is enabling Snyder(and Gibbs. If nothing else he's responsible for not demanding that Snyder hire a top notch GM) to continue to mismanage this team.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
Pretty much what I would have written. Jansen is universally respected on that team - I'm certainly not bashing him BTW, I love the guy! Nobody's going to say it publicly, but Wade has shown in the last year he's better. I think injuries, age and time have caught up with Jansen. Wade happens to be in a position to take advantage, and in a strange sort of way the team may benefit though the last thing I wanted was an injury to Jansen. Jansen should have gone to one or two Pro Bowls IMHO. The switching of coaches, the awful Spurrier experiment, and then the two season-ending and other nagging injuries he's had in the past four seasons have hurt his chances of being remembered as an excellent RT, but that's what he's been. In his first few years he routinely shut down Strahan in his prime. Not many RT's can claim that.
 
I also heard via extremeskins that the Dolphins had a man both underneath and over the top of Cooley all game. All I know is on 3rd and 7 Captain Chaos saved the day.
He sure did. And yes, they had him wrapped up most of the game when he attempted to go out. With El coming on, maybe teams won't be so quick to clamp down on Cooley. Miami did what I would have done. Prior to that game, all they know was what we all knew: Cooley and Moss are their best wr's and you don't have to worry about anyody else. That's still true of that bum Lloyd. Man, Riggo was right about that guy. He's worthless and lazy. Check the replay of the endzone pick that Campbell tossed. Lloyd made no effort to go after the guy. NONE. He just stood there looking on as if he were a fan with a good seat. man that guy is pathetic. I don't blame guys like Springs for not taking a pay cut. They play their butt's off as starters and then a bum like Lloyd gets the big bucks. Then, the Skins have the nerve to ask those who are producing to take pay cuts. All they are doing by agreeing to take the cuts is enabling Snyder(and Gibbs. If nothing else he's responsible for not demanding that Snyder hire a top notch GM) to continue to mismanage this team.
That audible by Campbell to Cooley on the hot route made my day. That was a sign that Campbell is maturing and chemistry is developing with his receivers.
 
Umm hey thought Jansen was hurt, who did they plug in there?
Todd Wade. = to or better than Jansen the last couple of years.
Not from what I've seen but he's not bad. Certainly a better tackle than he is a guard. I'd take Jansen any day of the week though.
There are a lot of Redskins players who disagree with you. Mind you, that's the current state of affairs; four years ago I'm sure it was a different story.
I have yet to hear any of them say that Wade is a better right tackle. Show me the quotes. I'd be interested to see them. I know that Randy Thomas was picking up quite a bit of slack when Jansen was out last year. Last week there was a rookie playing that spot. An undrafted rookie at that. He needed help too.
I don't think anyone would quote that considering Jansen wasn't hurt, who would honestly say that? I'm not saying I think he's better than Jansen but Jansen never really got great. He was very very good his first couple of years but he seemed to plateau, JMO. I think the person this is going to effect the most is Cooley who is going to have to chip the DE before going out on routes, which sucks.
Pretty much what I would have written. Jansen is universally respected on that team - I'm certainly not bashing him BTW, I love the guy! Nobody's going to say it publicly, but Wade has shown in the last year he's better. I think injuries, age and time have caught up with Jansen. Wade happens to be in a position to take advantage, and in a strange sort of way the team may benefit though the last thing I wanted was an injury to Jansen. Jansen should have gone to one or two Pro Bowls IMHO. The switching of coaches, the awful Spurrier experiment, and then the two season-ending and other nagging injuries he's had in the past four seasons have hurt his chances of being remembered as an excellent RT, but that's what he's been. In his first few years he routinely shut down Strahan in his prime. Not many RT's can claim that.
I suppose we'll have to disagree. Wade hasn't played enough here to show me that he's better than anybody. And I don't think any team ever benefits by losing a starter even if, as you say, the backup is better. Skins aren't the kind of team that can afford to lose a starting player in the first week. It's not as if they are deep at any one position. There may benefits but overall this was not good at all. What happens when Wade or one of the others goes down(and you know that one of them will)?
 
I also heard via extremeskins that the Dolphins had a man both underneath and over the top of Cooley all game. All I know is on 3rd and 7 Captain Chaos saved the day.
He sure did. And yes, they had him wrapped up most of the game when he attempted to go out. With El coming on, maybe teams won't be so quick to clamp down on Cooley. Miami did what I would have done. Prior to that game, all they know was what we all knew: Cooley and Moss are their best wr's and you don't have to worry about anyody else. That's still true of that bum Lloyd. Man, Riggo was right about that guy. He's worthless and lazy. Check the replay of the endzone pick that Campbell tossed. Lloyd made no effort to go after the guy. NONE. He just stood there looking on as if he were a fan with a good seat. man that guy is pathetic. I don't blame guys like Springs for not taking a pay cut. They play their butt's off as starters and then a bum like Lloyd gets the big bucks. Then, the Skins have the nerve to ask those who are producing to take pay cuts. All they are doing by agreeing to take the cuts is enabling Snyder(and Gibbs. If nothing else he's responsible for not demanding that Snyder hire a top notch GM) to continue to mismanage this team.
That audible by Campbell to Cooley on the hot route made my day. That was a sign that Campbell is maturing and chemistry is developing with his receivers.
Sure enough. But, he's got no touch on the short passes. Moss was said to have dropped 3 passes but I only counted 2. The other one was uncatchable(at least for Santan Moss. Randy Moss perhaps could have made that grab). Overall he's playing like I expected he would. Nice long ball but slow release and not much good(yet) in the short-medium range. Running game and strong d will be what makes them a success(if, indeed, they have success) this year. And the D needs work. Still no pass rush to speak of and the coverage was piss poor. Had they been playing a good team with quality wr's, they would have lost that game easily. Neither Smoot nor Rodgers should be on the field as anything more than nicke backs. Unfortunately, the Skins stuck with having to start at least one of them.
 

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