Position Eligiblity (1 Viewer)

[TDorBust]

I played a little bit of IDP in the past and will be jumping into the pool again this next year and wonder why IDP does not take a page from MLB Fantasy where players can have multi-position eligibility?

I see some news around the players moving OLB -> DE and DE -> OLB and wondering why cant a player just qualify for both? This would be based on playing time and where they lineup. Once a player lines up for 20% of his snaps at a certain position he gains eligibility?

I know dumb question but just wondering.

 

[GridironMenace]

Each game is different. Shoot, each snap is different. A guy may line up with his hand in the dirt and rush the passer in games they are up and may be in a completely different alignment covering HB's/TE's/WR's the next game. Several DE's constantly shift to rush the passer from the interior on 3rd downs. Several safeties lineup up as an extra LB'er on certain downs. No baseball player is going to change from 3B to 2B within an inning or within a game based on game flow, unless there is an injury. Too many variables in football.

 

[jonboltz]

It would be much easier to just play in a league where rush LBs are as valuable as they are in the NFL. Tackle-heavy scoring is frankly terrible for IDP, IMHO. If Justin Houston wasn't a top 3-5 scorer in your format, it is wrong.

 

[Crippler]

It would be much easier to just play in a league where rush LBs are as valuable as they are in the NFL. Tackle-heavy scoring is frankly terrible for IDP, IMHO. If Justin Houston wasn't a top 3-5 scorer in your format, it is wrong.

Justin Houston was #1 in my home league by 3 pts over Deandre Levy and #2 in my other dynasty league at .5 pts behind DeAndre Levy.

The issue with Houston is what will you get every year. Rush LB's are inconsistent in scoring. Even week to week. Take away Houston week 17 which does not matter in most leagues and he drops to 4 and 5 overall which is still good. IN 2013 he was 45th but 21st in points per game because he missed time. So next year when he only has like a very nice 13 sacks where will he be. Probably overdrafted and why the guys like David and Kuechley that do everything are so much more valuable. And nothing you can do with scoring can change that except making big plays really huge. In the 2 leagues now, it is 1 per tackle and 4 per sack, and 1.5 per tackle, 5 per sack and .1 per sack yard. Are you really going to go for the 1 and 6 type of thing to make them all more valuable. Take a guy like Elvis Dumervil who was 28th in my home league last year. Rush guy who at DE was big time valuable but as LB drops. He moves up to about 10th with 1-6 ratio but Houston value really skyrockets over the next guy. Almost Watt to Quinn like from last year. And than does Watt become even more valuable commodity. Hard to say what is the best way to score these. I like the 1 to 4 ratio myself.

 

[Shane Falco]

It would be much easier to just play in a league where rush LBs are as valuable as they are in the NFL. Tackle-heavy scoring is frankly terrible for IDP, IMHO. If Justin Houston wasn't a top 3-5 scorer in your format, it is wrong.

blah blah blah. sack heavy is wildly inconsistent and some of us hate that. But we don't constantly all post how anything else is wrong. We get it, you like roulette and some of us like poker.

Your posts are as useful as the PPR or no PPR debate. Play what you like but quit #####ing about other ways.

As far as the point of this thread. It would be nice if there was some way to use rush guys, DEs and 3-4 OLBs interchangeably but really a line-up nightmare to figure out how to enter a line-up until sites further breakdown positions. Maybe eventually you could start DEs and/or RushOLB

 

[5-ish Finkle]

It would be nice if there was some way to use rush guys, DEs and 3-4 OLBs interchangeably but really a line-up nightmare to figure out how to enter a line-up until sites further breakdown positions.

This is basically the answer, but as you say it'd require sites like MFL to be classifying 3-4 OLBs and DEs as a unified position("Edge Rusher" or something) for it to be widely implemented. It wouldn't even work if they started splitting LBs out with Inside and Outside classifications, since the 4-3 outside guys aren't anywhere near as spiky/big play dependent as the guys in 30 fronts.

Until it's "easy" to do, the lion's share of leagues would never get on board with it. To much hand work for the commish/etc to make sure lineups were legit.

 

[12punch]

it depends on the site you use ---- yahoo has some players with dual designations, which can occasionally be pretty useful.

I think with edge guys you'd need to find a way to do a points per pressure thing to smooth out the variance, or you just have to live with the ups and downs.

personally, I prefer more consistent scoring in general

 

[Louche]

One thing is for certain; the current system for IDP is flawed and out of tune with the value and importance of pass-rushing linebackers in the NFL. Teams don't play traditional 4-3 or 3-4 any longer, they're all hybrid defenses where players move around so it's totally arbitrary when the value of players go up and down so drastically because of coaching/formation changes when they basically keep playing the same position in real life. It's just a base formation change, it's not like their assignments are drastically changed. A pass-rusher is still going to rush the passer, regardless of what his position is on a piece of paper.

To me the solution to this problem is obvious. FF sites like MFL needs to start giving more accurate descriptions of LBs; e.g. ILB, 4-3 OLB and 3-4 OLB. That way leagues could decide for themselves if they want to group 3-4 OLBs together with the other LBs or with DE or DL. Basically all the 3-4 OLBs primarily pass rush with the exception of Courtney Upshaw so it's not like it's super complicated with tons of 3-4 outside linebackers that doesn't fit the mold.

Or even better...I'd prefer if all pass-rushing LBs were designated as ELB (EDGE LB). That way pass-rushing 4-3 SLBs like Von Miller could also be grouped in with the other pass-rushers, or have position specific scoring for ELBs that balances their scoring versus DEs. And this would still give conservative leagues the ability to keep grouping all LBs together if that's what they want to keep doing.

The system is screwed up and needs to be changed, it's just that we're so used to this way of handling it that we don't see how dumb it is when we're chasing inside linebackers who stumble into volume instead of rewarding the elite pass-rushers. Good pass-rushers are known to play the second most important position after QB in real life football, but in IDP most of the top pass-rushers perform like LB3s.

Yes, you can tune things with big play heavy scoring, but that still doesn't solve the problem unless you go insanely sack heavy and at that point you'll start seeing some wild game to game fluctuations. Besides, Clay Matthews and these guys would have much more positional value if grouped together with DEs since the LB position doesn't drop off the same way it does at DE. And DEs already have inconsistent scoring which would match up well with the inconsistent scoring you'll see from 3-4 OLBs.

 

[Shane Falco]

One thing is for certain; the current system for IDP is flawed and out of tune with the value and importance of pass-rushing linebackers in the NFL. Teams don't play traditional 4-3 or 3-4 any longer, they're all hybrid defenses where players move around so it's totally arbitrary when the value of players go up and down so drastically because of coaching/formation changes when they basically keep playing the same position in real life. It's just a base formation change, it's not like their assignments are drastically changed. A pass-rusher is still going to rush the passer, regardless of what his position is on a piece of paper.

To me the solution to this problem is obvious. FF sites like MFL needs to start giving more accurate descriptions of LBs; e.g. ILB, 4-3 OLB and 3-4 OLB. That way leagues could decide for themselves if they want to group 3-4 OLBs together with the other LBs or with DE or DL. Basically all the 3-4 OLBs primarily pass rush with the exception of Courtney Upshaw so it's not like it's super complicated with tons of 3-4 outside linebackers that doesn't fit the mold.

Or even better...I'd prefer if all pass-rushing LBs were designated as ELB (EDGE LB). That way pass-rushing 4-3 SLBs like Von Miller could also be grouped in with the other pass-rushers, or have position specific scoring for ELBs that balances their scoring versus DEs. And this would still give conservative leagues the ability to keep grouping all LBs together if that's what they want to keep doing.

The system is screwed up and needs to be changed, it's just that we're so used to this way of handling it that we don't see how dumb it is when we're chasing inside linebackers who stumble into volume instead of rewarding the elite pass-rushers. Good pass-rushers are known to play the second most important position after QB in real life football, but in IDP most of the top pass-rushers perform like LB3s.

Yes, you can tune things with big play heavy scoring, but that still doesn't solve the problem unless you go insanely sack heavy and at that point you'll start seeing some wild game to game fluctuations. Besides, Clay Matthews and these guys would have much more positional value if grouped together with DEs since the LB position doesn't drop off the same way it does at DE. And DEs already have inconsistent scoring which would match up well with the inconsistent scoring you'll see from 3-4 OLBs.

well said