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Don't think this has been posted yet. This is obviously bad news for the Colts. Either Ugoh or a 6th rounder last year would probably replace him. Note that this is not official at this time.

Glenn Story

 
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link doesn't work

Last I heard here in Indy was ther was talk of a long term contract with Glenn. No link to verify what I am saying because I don't feel like looking for it.

 
Well crap.

I just went to Indy Star before the link was fixed and just read that. I honostly can't believe that.

Glenn was a solid LT, but I always thought he false started more than anyone else on the Colts line by far.

 
That's kind of big news right before camp starts. Somehow I think the press and his teammates won't call him a quitter and vilify him the way they did Rickey Williams.

 
Wow...that is big news. People underestimate the fact Manning basically never gets pressured, and Glenn has been an enormous part of that equation.

 
I doubt he is retiring, but if he is, it definitely hurts the Colts. However, I would be willing to bet he had the most false starts of any OL in the league the last two years.

 
This just came from the fbg RSS feed.....they made it sound like a definate thing but I can't find confirmation anywhere else.From the RSS:

Huge news in Indianapolis as the Colts starting left tackle Tarik Glenn has decided to retire. Barring a change of heart by Glenn, , the Colts will report to training camp on July 29 without their star lineman who has appeared in the past three Pro Bowls. The Colts' options at replacing him include Charlie Johnson, a sixth-round pick in 2006 who primarily saw action at right tackle as a rookie, and Tony Ugoh, their second-round pick in the April draft. They traded their 2008 first-round pick in order to get into position to select Ugoh, then indicated he might be Glenn's eventual successor.
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edit: nevermind, the link in the OP works. I thought we didn't have confirmation but the story is right there.IF this is true, what a #### move by Glenn. way to leave your team out to dry.
 
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The Colts did trade up and grab Tony Ugoh with the 42nd pick.

Glenn was a URFA next year and Im sure the Colts had some idea about the possibility.

Even Dungy is quoted in that article: Colts coach Tony Dungy said earlier this week he recently talked with Glenn, but would not divulge the nature of the discussions. "Probably the best person to speak to on that is him,'' Dungy said.

I doubt it was a big secret or an "all of a sudden" situation like Chiefs had.

Having said that, it certainly will have at least some effect. We will have to see just how much, if it happens.

 
If this is true this is going to be one of those situations where everybody says it's no big deal until it's too late. A high powered offense losing their best offensive lineman and the left tackle all in one? This is a huge problem for the Colts.

Addai, Manning, Wayne, and Harrison all suffer because of this.

 
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If he does retire that's a real tough loss for Indy. Glenn's a big time player who plays an incredibly important position. He does a real good job and is one of the big reasons Manning doesn't get sacked too often as well being stout in the run game. If the Colts have issues at this position it could really turn into a headache for them.

Have their been any rumors about Glenn this offseason? This is the first I heard about something like this and it does seeem a little odd coming in mid-July. He's only 31 and looks to have a lot left in the gas tank. Maybe there was something going on in the background which would mean the Ugoh trade makes even more sense. Regardless, this will have a major impact should he retire. He's one of the key cogs in the Indy machine.

 
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I think many take the greatness of the Colts offensive line for granted. Manning would not be near the QB he is without having all day to throw. This is a potentially huge loss for the Colts if true.

 
Huge news. I'm disappointed. The only way this can be a little bit salvaged is if there is some salary cap relief based on this and the Colts use this to re-sign Bob Sanders and Dallas Clark. Charlie Johnson is meant to be a RT, not a LT - and Ugoh isn't supposed to be ready yet.

This loss is greater than all of the other "big off-season losses" combined. Seriously.

 
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Anthony Borbely said:
I think many take the greatness of the Colts offensive line for granted. Manning would not be near the QB he is without having all day to throw. This is a potentially huge loss for the Colts if true.
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Manning has excellent anticipation and a well above average quick release, so he also helps himself as well as the OL. I think the Colts protection has worked very well in concert (OL, Manning and scheme). I think T. Glenn has been the best part of that OL, which has consistently performed better than the individual pieces. Except for Glenn the colts have not spent a ton of high draft picks and/or money at the position.
 
No question in my mind that if this is true, Glenn's retirement is the single biggest offseason loss for the Colts. I thought they could manage with the losses of Haper, June, Rhodes, et. al, but the timing and impact of this loss is very big....very big indeed.

 
Why do players wait this long before retiring? It seems to screw over their team and is a sign of selfishness. Maybe he discussed this with the management before the draft and FA, but if so, they didn't prepare for it.

Colts are still a team to beat (probably just behind San Diego now), but Glenn was a key part of that offense.

 
It does make me wonder if he is just doing this so he can skip two a days. Many vets talk of holdouts and retiring, but it is just to get out of camp.

 
Balco said:
It does make me wonder if he is just doing this so he can skip two a days. Many vets talk of holdouts and retiring, but it is just to get out of camp.
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I was just typing the same thing...don't several 300lb tackles "retire" until the last week of training camp? We've seen this before...I would guess he's not going anywhere.
 
As a Colts fan. Yes I am stunned by this. I also have to question any player who retires at this point in the year as a someone who is using timing for selfes purposes. Unless a injury is the reason. I mean give me a break. Players who retire, especially early retirement, right before training or camp during it want something. What do they want, $$$$$$! And who is in the last year of his contract?

There were rumors here in Indy a long term contract was being talked about with Glenn. I guess either he didn't like those numbers or it wasn't true.

Is there a website that tracks false starts?

Reason is, those of you who watch every Colts games know Glenn is a false starting machine. It is nothing for that guy to false start two times in a row. In other words, I believe he is overrated and I would not want to sink a bunch of money into him.

Now the Colts line gets all kinds of recognition as a group. We spent a 1st round pick on Glenn and I don't believe we ever spent another 1st or 2nd round pick on our line. Most of these guys were drafted late or not drafted at all. Actually, I think we spent a 2nd round draft pick on some guy names Bullsworth RG/LG (Nebraska?) who died in a car crash before training camp.

So my personal opinion, the sucess of the group goes to the offensive line coach, Howard Mudd. Not Glenn as some great anchor to this line. He has turned late round picks or undrafted guys into consistently the best offensive line the last 8 or 9 years. Sure Glenn will be missed, but I think the Colts will adjust to that change and be fine. The loss of Glenn will not hinder this offense at all.

Just my opinion.

 
flyingsushi said:
As a Colts fan. Yes I am stunned by this. I also have to question any player who retires at this point in the year as a someone who is using timing for selfes purposes. Unless a injury is the reason. I mean give me a break. Players who retire, especially early retirement, right before training or camp during it want something. What do they want, $$$$$$! And who is in the last year of his contract? There were rumors here in Indy a long term contract was being talked about with Glenn. I guess either he didn't like those numbers or it wasn't true.Is there a website that tracks false starts?Reason is, those of you who watch every Colts games know Glenn is a false starting machine. It is nothing for that guy to false start two times in a row. In other words, I believe he is overrated and I would not want to sink a bunch of money into him. Now the Colts line gets all kinds of recognition as a group. We spent a 1st round pick on Glenn and I don't believe we ever spent another 1st or 2nd round pick on our line. Most of these guys were drafted late or not drafted at all. Actually, I think we spent a 2nd round draft pick on some guy names Bullsworth RG/LG (Nebraska?) who died in a car crash before training camp. So my personal opinion, the sucess of the group goes to the offensive line coach, Howard Mudd. Not Glenn as some great anchor to this line. He has turned late round picks or undrafted guys into consistently the best offensive line the last 8 or 9 years. Sure Glenn will be missed, but I think the Colts will adjust to that change and be fine. The loss of Glenn will not hinder this offense at all. Just my opinion.
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Yes, Glenn may get a few more false start penalties than other linemen. Yes, the line coach is good. But to say that the loss of an all pro tackle will not hinder the offense is incorrect. The blind side tackle is the most important position on the team and all pro left tackles don't grow on trees. This is a significant loss for the Colts, don't kid yourself. They now will be entrusting Manning's blind side to an inexperienced player, and there is no way that this will not hurt the offense. Glenn rarely gave up any sacks.
 
-OZ- said:
Why do players wait this long before retiring? It seems to screw over their team and is a sign of selfishness. Maybe he discussed this with the management before the draft and FA, but if so, they didn't prepare for it.
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because he knows based on
the money they just sunk into freeney, leaving little else in the vaults
Giving up a first moving up to draft Ugoh,
the fact that (IIRC) they've already said they envision Ugoh as his successor
I'm guessing probably the numbers they've floated him in contract extension talksthat he is not part of this team's plans beyond this year. He feels used and either he honestly doesn't feel it's worth putting himself through the pain of camp and a season when he's so easily tossed aside and he figures he may as well screw them since they're already planning to do the same to him, or more likely he's using this as some sort of leverage in negotiations while he's still got some chips to play with.

 
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Mungo Burrows said:
-OZ- said:
Why do players wait this long before retiring? It seems to screw over their team and is a sign of selfishness. Maybe he discussed this with the management before the draft and FA, but if so, they didn't prepare for it.
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because he knows based on
the money they just sunk into freeney, leaving little else in the vaults
Giving up a first moving up to draft Ugoh,
the fact that (IIRC) they've already said they envision Ugoh as his successor
I'm guessing probably the numbers they've floated him in contract extension talksthat he is not part of this team's plans beyond this year. He feels used and either he honestly doesn't feel it's worth putting himself through the pain of camp and a season when he's so easily tossed aside and he figures he may as well screw them since they're already planning to do the same to him, or more likely he's using this as some sort of leverage in negotiations while he's still got some chips to play with.
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Just because it was announced yesterday doesn't mean the Colts haven't known about it for lot longer. You don't know when Glenn notified the Colts about his pending retirement.
 
Anthony Borbely said:
flyingsushi said:
As a Colts fan. Yes I am stunned by this. I also have to question any player who retires at this point in the year as a someone who is using timing for selfes purposes. Unless a injury is the reason. I mean give me a break. Players who retire, especially early retirement, right before training or camp during it want something. What do they want, $$$$$$! And who is in the last year of his contract? There were rumors here in Indy a long term contract was being talked about with Glenn. I guess either he didn't like those numbers or it wasn't true.Is there a website that tracks false starts?Reason is, those of you who watch every Colts games know Glenn is a false starting machine. It is nothing for that guy to false start two times in a row. In other words, I believe he is overrated and I would not want to sink a bunch of money into him. Now the Colts line gets all kinds of recognition as a group. We spent a 1st round pick on Glenn and I don't believe we ever spent another 1st or 2nd round pick on our line. Most of these guys were drafted late or not drafted at all. Actually, I think we spent a 2nd round draft pick on some guy names Bullsworth RG/LG (Nebraska?) who died in a car crash before training camp. So my personal opinion, the sucess of the group goes to the offensive line coach, Howard Mudd. Not Glenn as some great anchor to this line. He has turned late round picks or undrafted guys into consistently the best offensive line the last 8 or 9 years. Sure Glenn will be missed, but I think the Colts will adjust to that change and be fine. The loss of Glenn will not hinder this offense at all. Just my opinion.
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Yes, Glenn may get a few more false start penalties than other linemen. Yes, the line coach is good. But to say that the loss of an all pro tackle will not hinder the offense is incorrect. The blind side tackle is the most important position on the team and all pro left tackles don't grow on trees. This is a significant loss for the Colts, don't kid yourself. They now will be entrusting Manning's blind side to an inexperienced player, and there is no way that this will not hurt the offense. Glenn rarely gave up any sacks.
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His opinion isn't incorrect, it's his opinion. The way this will not hurt the offense is if the rook plays well and the line coach coaches him well which is what he stated. disagree/=telling someone they're incorrect
 
Geaux Cowboys said:
Balco said:
It does make me wonder if he is just doing this so he can skip two a days. Many vets talk of holdouts and retiring, but it is just to get out of camp.
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I was just typing the same thing...don't several 300lb tackles "retire" until the last week of training camp? We've seen this before...I would guess he's not going anywhere.
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Even if this later is revealed to be the truth, until Glenn shows up, operating under the assumption the Colts OL has new, unproven LT is the only option.
 
from profootballtalk.com

GLENN REALLY IS DONE, FOR NOWA source close to Colts left tackle Tarik Glenn tells us that the veteran lineman, who is 31 years old and only one season away from hitting the free-agent market, where so-so players are getting seven-year, $49 million deals, indeed plans to walk away from the game of football.The source says that the decision has nothing to do with any desire by Glenn to pressure the team to give him more money, or to extend his contract."He wants to live in Indy and do this the right way," the source said, "evening inquiring and researching what he would have to pay back. He told [coach Tony] Dungy and [G.M. Bill] Polian and all was positive."So is the retirement decision permanent? Says the source, "Players can change their minds at will but the delay here with a formal announcement has to do more with the Colts wanting him to delay. If a change occurs it is because he misses football or some other reason but there is no sign of that now and there is not a hidden agenda."With all that said, an offer of a short-term raise or a long-term deal could, in our estimation, be something that makes Glenn miss football.
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The Man with the Plan said:
If this is true this is going to be one of those situations where everybody says it's no big deal until it's too late. A high powered offense losing their best offensive lineman and the left tackle all in one? This is a huge problem for the Colts.

Addai, Manning, Wayne, and Harrison all suffer because of this.
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Think of Seattle without Walter Jones.
 
I posted this in the other thread as well...

As a Colts fan and season ticket holder I am scared to death! Glenn was more than the LT for the Colts. He was the anchor that kept Manning on his feet.

The Colts will now be likely starting Charlie Johnson or Tony Ugoh. This likely means that the Colts offense will be changed to a degree. Ican tell you that Manning will be looking to get rid of the ball even sooner than he did before.

Who does this benefit? I think Joe Addai, Anthony Gonzalez, and Dallas Clark will benefit most. I think Wayne and especially Harrison's #s will come down slightly due to the time it normally takes for WRs to get separation at the LOS.

I think the Colts will do less of the Stretch plays they like to do. Manning has previously sprinted right and either handed off or faked and pulled up to pass. Will he really do this early in the season when he knows there is a greater chance someone is coming from behind with a full head of steam?

That is how I see it affecting the Colts this season.

Move Manning's #s down slightly.

Move Addai up slightly.

Move Gonzo and Clark up a tad.

Move Harrison's #s down 5%.

Wayne will be less affected, I might leave his #s alone.

 
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