Possible Day One Trades? (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

FYI, I have heard rumors that Tampa won't be staying at #4. Whether it's up or down, who knows.-Also, I think we can add Atl. to the list of possible teams moving up.

If ATL and TB weren't in the same division, I'd say they swap picks if Joe Thomas is available at #4. Falcons get the LT they covet for their power running game and TB gets to move back to target either Quinn if he falls or Amobi Okoye.As it is, there could be a Miami/TB swap if Thomas is there.

The Bucs love Thomas. I've heard it with my own ears from Bucs Player Eval personnel. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucs sit back, watch Atlanta sell the farm to get CJ, then pounce on the guy they wanted just as much.

Was that before or after they signed Petitgout?

 

[Obie Wan]

I'm sorry I missed this thread. Here's my wacko scenario for the top 12 picks:Since trading up to the top three spots is so expensive, the teams stay put and Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams, and Jamarcus Russell go 1, 2, 3. (Raiders cut Moss loose.)1.Oakland - Calvin Johnson2.Detroit - Gaines Adams3.Cleveland - Jamarcus Russell-----------------------------------------------------------------------Miami trades with Tampa to get Joe Thomas.Arizona, miffed at losing out on Thomas, goes defense.4.Miami - Thomas5.Arizona - Anderson-----------------------------------------------------------------------Atlanta, scared that either Minnesota or Buffalo (in a trade with either Minnesota or Washington) will take Adrian Peterson, move up to Washington’s spot.6. Atlanta - AdrianPeterson------------------------------------------------------------------------ Buffalo, afraid Houston may take Marshawn Lynch, moves up to Minnesota’s spot.- Tampa Bay wins a bidding war with Houston in a battle to get Okoye.- Houston shores up a suspect secondary.- San Francisco takes the same guy I've had them taking.- Minnesota gets the position they need at a more reasonable spot.7. Buffalo - Marshawn Lynch8. Tampa Bay - Amobi Okoye9. Washington - Alan Branch10. Houston - Leon Hall11. San Francisco - Adam Carriker12. Minnesota - Dwayne Bowe

Buffalo will not trade up for Lynch. They can get a RB in round 3 to forma committe with similary produciton. However, what they really need is MLB to replace the gaping hole when Fletcher left. They need Patrick Willis to do for their cover-2 what Urlacher does in Chicago.My guess is they will move up if it looks like the defenders will off be off the board by #12.Most likely is if Willis is at #10, Bills will trade with Houston to leapfrog SF.Not sure how much higher they will go for him, though.If

 

[gump]

FYI, I have heard rumors that Tampa won't be staying at #4. Whether it's up or down, who knows.-Also, I think we can add Atl. to the list of possible teams moving up.

If ATL and TB weren't in the same division, I'd say they swap picks if Joe Thomas is available at #4. Falcons get the LT they covet for their power running game and TB gets to move back to target either Quinn if he falls or Amobi Okoye.As it is, there could be a Miami/TB swap if Thomas is there.

The Bucs love Thomas. I've heard it with my own ears from Bucs Player Eval personnel. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucs sit back, watch Atlanta sell the farm to get CJ, then pounce on the guy they wanted just as much.

Was that before or after they signed Petitgout?

Good question...it was before. But the guy had a few drinks and was almost drooling over JT. Couldn't stop talking about his feet, size, etc. And clearly didn't think WR was that big of a need.He did also talk highly of Adams.I just can't imagine them passing on Thomas. Gruden loves the OL...he considers his mentor to be Bob McKissick...the great 49ers OL coach. I just don't see it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Good question...it was before. But the guy had a few drinks and was almost drooling over JT. Couldn't stop talking about his feet, size, etc. And clearly didn't think WR was that big of a need.

Wasn't Paul McGuire, was it?"Look at his feet!"

He did also talk highly of Adams.

I just can't imagine them passing on Thomas. Gruden loves the OL...he considers his mentor to be Bob McKissick...the great 49ers OL coach. I just don't see it.

Tough call for these teams at the top. If Tampa's not careful, they could fall into a 5 year abyss with as old as that defense is getting. The offense is a house of cards too.

 

[Foosball God]

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<snip>I see Detroit trying to sell a trade (where Quinn could be the target) making Cleveland nervous so Cleveland pays a pick to move up. THen I see Detroit letting everyone know that CJ can be had -- and sells the possibility that ATL may move up. So TB pays a pick to move up one spot.I then see Houston (with many needs) trying to recoup some picks. So with Peterson on the board, they reach a deal with Buffalo. (Kubiak thinks he is Shannahan and can make do with a RB selected later in day one.)1. Oakland -- Jamarcus.2. Cleveland -- Brady Quinn (after a trade with Det.) (Romeo gets good reviews from Weiss)3. TB -- Calvin Johnson (after a trade with Det.)4. Detroit -- Joe Thomas5. Arizona -- Adams6. Washington -- J. Anderson7. Minnesota -- P. Willis8. Atlanta-- Landry9. Miami -- Levi Brown10. Buffalo -- Adrian Peterson (after trade with Houston)11. San Fran -- Alan Branch12. Houston -- Leon Hall

As a Detroit fan I would absolutely love this, as it would mean some nice picks added, but I can't really see Cleveland and Tampa doing this, one of them sure, but not both of them.

 

[gump]

He did also talk highly of Adams.I just can't imagine them passing on Thomas. Gruden loves the OL...he considers his mentor to be Bob McKissick...the great 49ers OL coach. I just don't see it.

Tough call for these teams at the top. If Tampa's not careful, they could fall into a 5 year abyss with as old as that defense is getting. The offense is a house of cards too.

If there was a DL that was as highly regarded as Thomas, I agree they might go defense. And believe me I wish there were, as a Buc fan.Now if they think Thomas is gone also...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He did also talk highly of Adams.I just can't imagine them passing on Thomas. Gruden loves the OL...he considers his mentor to be Bob McKissick...the great 49ers OL coach. I just don't see it.

Tough call for these teams at the top. If Tampa's not careful, they could fall into a 5 year abyss with as old as that defense is getting. The offense is a house of cards too.

If there was a DL that was as highly regarded as Thomas, I agree they might go defense. And believe me I wish there were, as a Buc fan.Now if they think Thomas is gone also...

I've heard they love Okoye, so if they trade down to #8, he should still be there.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think the most likely scenario is that there are a lot less trades than what everyone expects. I think that the switch of Cleveland and Detroit is possible but also not likely. Detroit isn't going to want to move down too much further from that position so I don't think that they have much leverage against the Browns. I'm also not convinced that the Browns are locked into one specific player. I think that they'd be happy with Thomas, Quinn or Russell. So they would have little reason to try to move up one pick.

I think that we'll see a lot of clocks ticking down to the last second while GMs work the phones but with little to show for it. My bet is that there will be two trades made in the first round. One will involve somebody moving up to the 8-10 area and the other one will involve a pick in the lower third of the first round.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think the most likely scenario is that there are a lot less trades than what everyone expects. I think that the switch of Cleveland and Detroit is possible but also not likely. Detroit isn't going to want to move down too much further from that position so I don't think that they have much leverage against the Browns. I'm also not convinced that the Browns are locked into one specific player. I think that they'd be happy with Thomas, Quinn or Russell. So they would have little reason to try to move up one pick.I think that we'll see a lot of clocks ticking down to the last second while GMs work the phones but with little to show for it. My bet is that there will be two trades made in the first round. One will involve somebody moving up to the 8-10 area and the other one will involve a pick in the lower third of the first round.

I think so too. Trades into the first three picks are almost prohibitively expensive, unless a player is involved. Moving up to the 4/5 spot is expensive, but for the right guy, sometimes worth it.There is a lot of potential in the 6-10 spots, especially with Atlanta having extra picks and Washington needing picks. Also, Denver and New England both have extra picks, which allows them the option to move up to the 10-15 spot.

 

[massraider]

I think the most likely scenario is that there are a lot less trades than what everyone expects. I think that the switch of Cleveland and Detroit is possible but also not likely. Detroit isn't going to want to move down too much further from that position so I don't think that they have much leverage against the Browns. I'm also not convinced that the Browns are locked into one specific player. I think that they'd be happy with Thomas, Quinn or Russell.

I don't think team think like that. I think that by the time draft day comes, they have the guy they want. If a team is looking for a franchise QB this year, I think they have 'their guy'. I really don't believe they are just happy to get the guy that falls to them. One of those QB's ia above the other one on the list.Now, whether or not they move for thier guy is another story.

 

[GroveDiesel]

I think the most likely scenario is that there are a lot less trades than what everyone expects. I think that the switch of Cleveland and Detroit is possible but also not likely. Detroit isn't going to want to move down too much further from that position so I don't think that they have much leverage against the Browns. I'm also not convinced that the Browns are locked into one specific player. I think that they'd be happy with Thomas, Quinn or Russell.

I don't think team think like that. I think that by the time draft day comes, they have the guy they want. If a team is looking for a franchise QB this year, I think they have 'their guy'. I really don't believe they are just happy to get the guy that falls to them. One of those QB's ia above the other one on the list.Now, whether or not they move for thier guy is another story.

IMO, any GM that has a team drafting in the top 5 that goes in locked into one player should be fired (outside of the #1 pick of course). If your team is drafting in the top 5, you have a terrible team. You have more than one hole to fill. Unless you have a guy rated MUCH higher than everyone else on your board, it's absolutely crazy to give up a ton to get one particular player.If the Lions want a 2nd round pick to trade spots with the Browns I'd tell them to go fly a kite. If they wanted a 3rd I'd think about it. A 4th and I'd do it.

 

[redman]

I think this is going to be the most active draft day in years in terms of trades during the first half of the first round. There are a lot of players who seem to be rising into that part of the draft as workouts progress, and not nearly as many who are falling. Carriker, Willis, Olsen, Landry, Brown and Okoye are all examples of guys who have started to be considered top 10-15 talents just in the last 4-6 weeks.

In addition, there are also a lot of teams now with multiple picks in the first day draft rounds that could trade up, and the teams occupying the top 6 spots almost all have good reasons to trade down. There are many willing trade partners in other words.

 

[massraider]

I think the most likely scenario is that there are a lot less trades than what everyone expects. I think that the switch of Cleveland and Detroit is possible but also not likely. Detroit isn't going to want to move down too much further from that position so I don't think that they have much leverage against the Browns. I'm also not convinced that the Browns are locked into one specific player. I think that they'd be happy with Thomas, Quinn or Russell.

I don't think team think like that. I think that by the time draft day comes, they have the guy they want. If a team is looking for a franchise QB this year, I think they have 'their guy'. I really don't believe they are just happy to get the guy that falls to them. One of those QB's ia above the other one on the list.Now, whether or not they move for thier guy is another story.

IMO, any GM that has a team drafting in the top 5 that goes in locked into one player should be fired (outside of the #1 pick of course). If your team is drafting in the top 5, you have a terrible team. You have more than one hole to fill. Unless you have a guy rated MUCH higher than everyone else on your board, it's absolutely crazy to give up a ton to get one particular player.If the Lions want a 2nd round pick to trade spots with the Browns I'd tell them to go fly a kite. If they wanted a 3rd I'd think about it. A 4th and I'd do it.

Honestly, if I owned the Browns, and I went down to Phil Savage's office, and asked him which QB he wanted, and he said, "Oh, whoever falls to us...", I'd fire him on the spot. And if the Browns think that CJ and Russell are the two top players in this draft, and they can secure one of them by giving the Lions a 2nd, it's a small price to pay.

 

[Foosball God]

If the Lions want a 2nd round pick to trade spots with the Browns I'd tell them to go fly a kite. If they wanted a 3rd I'd think about it. A 4th and I'd do it.

They got a second round pick out of Cleveland when Cleveland was locked onto Kellen Winslow, so it most definitely does happen.

 

[chris1969]

The Browns want to trade down and Detroit threatening to draft Quinn is the best scenario for that. that would leave the Browns with Peterson, Thomas and CJ at pick #3 and alot of teams wanting at least one of them.

 

[GroveDiesel]

If the Lions want a 2nd round pick to trade spots with the Browns I'd tell them to go fly a kite. If they wanted a 3rd I'd think about it. A 4th and I'd do it.

They got a second round pick out of Cleveland when Cleveland was locked onto Kellen Winslow, so it most definitely does happen.

That's true. I guess I just sometimes underestimate the stupidity of NFL front offices. If I recall correctly, the Browns were roundly criticized and laughed at for making that deal.

 

[QUEZILLA]

FWIW, some yahoo posted "Buc's trade Rice & #4 to Detroit for Rogers & #2 overall." Thread was shortly locked because he had no source, and as of right now it's bogus. His name was broncos something, and I am sure it was just a troll.

It isn't really that far fetched, and I have been saying Rice to Detroit for months. Here is what I think will happen.

Cleveland swaps picks with Detroit to get Brady Quinn. Detroit then swaps picks & the above mentioned D-linemen. IMHO, it's a 4 player draft. JR, BQ, JT, CJ.