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possible lengthy food, supply shortages coming to the US? Latest: start hiding Sriracha (1 Viewer)

On a scale of 1-10 how concerned are you about a food/supply shortage?

  • 1-Not concerned at all. Business as usual.

    Votes: 48 23.1%
  • 2

    Votes: 35 16.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 30 14.4%
  • 4

    Votes: 25 12.0%
  • 5-Mildly concerned, but not panicking. Stocking up on some non-perishable essentials.

    Votes: 45 21.6%
  • 6

    Votes: 8 3.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 9 4.3%
  • 8

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • 9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 10-Stocking up on everything.

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • Total voters
    208
Can someone explain why there are so many allergies and special diet needs as compared to the past?
Well, it might be true that there are more allergies, but it could just be better knowledge of what is happening to people on a physiological level. Perhaps science and medicine have advanced in such a way that one can more accurately pinpoint special dietary needs whereas in the past one might just not have had such knowledge.

 
 Because everyone is allergic to everything.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the biggest shortage is in the more specialty formulas area.

Can someone explain why there are so many allergies and special diet needs as compared to the past?
Because of the completely horrible American diet and preservatives/chemicals the whores at the FDA have allowed in our food supply. 

Cut out the massive amounts of sugar, give your family a variety of high fiber, whole foods, and these defense breakdowns and chronic internal issues would be massively mitigated. 

Everyone needs to fix their plumbing. Most of this country is constipated, carrying around pounds of waste in their body, which seeps into your body, causing all kind of damage. 

 
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Everyone needs to fix their plumbing. Most of this country is constipated, carrying around pounds of waste in their body, which seeps into your body, causing all kind of damage. 
I’m not exactly the example God had in mind when we were created, but I’ve found a couple of spoonfuls of Metamucil daily to be helpful in this regard. 

 
or breastfeed??


I think a good number of the formulas experiencing shortages are the more specialized ones for infants who can't tolerate regular formula. Also, not all women are able to breastfeed so... 
Was going to respond to @arrow1 but @Nathan R. Jessep covered it. My youngest was one allergic to breastmilk. It's not common but also not uncommon. Eventually they typically grow out of it but in her case we tried increasing levels of purified formula before we got to one that was like the second to last one we could get. Meaning there was one other formula available on the market that was 99% pure of any allergens. Forget the stuff we settled on but it was $700/month and insurance didn't cover it. Anything else and she was screaming 24/7 and projectile vomiting. I can't imagine having to deal with that today.

 
I’m not exactly the example God had in mind when we were created, but I’ve found a couple of spoonfuls of Metamucil daily to be helpful in this regard. 
I can send some links, but if you are eating a wide variety of fibrous foods, you don't need that. 

Or probiotics, or cleanses, or any other manufactured products to do the things we are stopping our bodies from doing. 

We shouldn't have a gout thread. 

 
I can send some links, but if you are eating a wide variety of fibrous foods, you don't need that. 

Or probiotics, or cleanses, or any other manufactured products to do the things we are stopping our bodies from doing. 

We shouldn't have a gout thread. 
I think my wife keeps my eating in a reasonably healthy manner but the doc said this can’t hurt. But sure, plz drop some links. 

 
 the doc said this can’t hurt. 
Heck no. Taking a probiotic either. 

These products exist as a need, tho, as a direct result of what Americans take in that gum up the works. 

There's a reason when we eat a fast food burger it feels like it re-forms to its original shape in our stomach. 

 
Heck no. Taking a probiotic either. 

These products exist as a need, tho, as a direct result of what Americans take in that gum up the works. 

There's a reason when we eat a fast food burger it feels like it re-forms to its original shape in our stomach. 
Agreed. Make a thread. :subscribe: 

 
Because of the completely horrible American diet and preservatives/chemicals the whores at the FDA have allowed in our food supply. 

Cut out the massive amounts of sugar, give your family a variety of high fiber, whole foods, and these defense breakdowns and chronic internal issues would be massively mitigated. 

Everyone needs to fix their plumbing. Most of this country is constipated, carrying around pounds of waste in their body, which seeps into your body, causing all kind of damage. 
I agree, but part of me thinks in is a psychological matter as well and also how we are raising our children and a .

My wife is the Food Service Director at a small university and some of the stories she tells about kids and "food allergies" are hilarious. Celiac was a big one for a while.  She said 1 in 3 students "had Celiac" and had to be gluten free on certain days.  Her dad had Celiac and had a special diet but the college kid's Celiac would come and go which of course is not possible.  

Sorry for the off topic.

 
I agree, but part of me thinks in is a psychological matter as well and also how we are raising our children and a .

My wife is the Food Service Director at a small university and some of the stories she tells about kids and "food allergies" are hilarious. Celiac was a big one for a while.  She said 1 in 3 students "had Celiac" and had to be gluten free on certain days.  Her dad had Celiac and had a special diet but the college kid's Celiac would come and go which of course is not possible.  

Sorry for the off topic.
I think both can be true. 

It cannot be a coincidence that every Celiac allergy I meet also happens to be the person chugging coconut water, candling their ear wax, and basically subscribing to every health trend that pops out of Gwyneth's vajayjay. 

 
 Because everyone is allergic to everything.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the biggest shortage is in the more specialty formulas area.

Can someone explain why there are so many allergies and special diet needs as compared to the past?
because most americans eat a diet of processed food.  our bodies aren't designed to digest it.  

 
World Has 10-Week Supply Of Wheat Remaining: 'This Is Seismic,' Expert Says

:unsure:  I don't know how much of that is political hoopla (probably a good bit of it) but it sure doesn't sound great. 

Russia and Ukraine supplied a combined 1/3 of the world's wheat exports and were among the top-5 exporters of corn prior to their ongoing conflict, which began in February.

Menker said that the invasion, along with previous issues such as widespread fertilizer shortages, supply chain problems and record droughts, has limited the earth's current wheat supply to last about 10 weeks unless significant changes are made.

 
World Has 10-Week Supply Of Wheat Remaining: 'This Is Seismic,' Expert Says

:unsure:  I don't know how much of that is political hoopla (probably a good bit of it) but it sure doesn't sound great. 

Russia and Ukraine supplied a combined 1/3 of the world's wheat exports and were among the top-5 exporters of corn prior to their ongoing conflict, which began in February.

Menker said that the invasion, along with previous issues such as widespread fertilizer shortages, supply chain problems and record droughts, has limited the earth's current wheat supply to last about 10 weeks unless significant changes are made.
buy wheat......................pennies?

 
Latest sign of the apocalypse? Even Costco isn't immune to all the corporate price gouging and inflationary packaging chicanery. Their store-made muffins are now somewhere between 50 and 67% of their former size. For the same price. Their packaging hasn't even caught up. It's the old packaging, which is now 50% air 

 
Latest sign of the apocalypse? Even Costco isn't immune to all the corporate price gouging and inflationary packaging chicanery. Their store-made muffins are now somewhere between 50 and 67% of their former size. For the same price. Their packaging hasn't even caught up. It's the old packaging, which is now 50% air 
I love Costco for the price, quality, and samples. And the deli at the checkout was popular with my family when the kids were young. But i think some of their products contribute to excess intake of calories. When someone brings the Costco muffins to the office, some people eat a whole muffin - the chocolate chip muffin has/had about 700 calories. While others cut the muffin into halves or quarters. I prefer keeping the same price and reducing the size, instead of increasing the price and keeping the size. My friend who used to deal with Keebler said this type of thing has happened in the past, but not to this extent.

 
I love Costco for the price, quality, and samples. And the deli at the checkout was popular with my family when the kids were young. But i think some of their products contribute to excess intake of calories. When someone brings the Costco muffins to the office, some people eat a whole muffin - the chocolate chip muffin has/had about 700 calories. While others cut the muffin into halves or quarters. I prefer keeping the same price and reducing the size, instead of increasing the price and keeping the size. My friend who used to deal with Keebler said this type of thing has happened in the past, but not to this extent.
Yeah, I still only eat half a muffin at a time even with the new smaller size.

 
I love Costco for the price, quality, and samples. And the deli at the checkout was popular with my family when the kids were young. But i think some of their products contribute to excess intake of calories. 
Long time ago, when I was in high school, the first big box store opened up in our town. People were excited. I remember comparing notes in class, as everyone discussed what their particular family purchased a LOT of. 

My best buddy, after school one day, we went to his house, and his mom was perched on the couch with a bag of popcorn as big as a 9 year old kid. 😄

I think the biggest trap is breakfast cereal. I think many parents love getting a massive amount of cereal for cheap, and pumping that sugar down their kids pieholes every morning. 

 
outside of the JFK deal, I'm not much of a conspiracy guy

though - the more we know, the information we get generally doesn't support that we can trust the information we receive from our government

related to this food scarcity thing - does anyone know what the normal historical rate of food factory fires are?

https://twitter.com/BeeMatney/status/1533077056208134147

could this be some kind of "enemy of the US" activity?  ...duh, of course it's possible - what I mean is - is this normal, a coincidence, or clear subversion from somewhere?

 
Binky The Doormat said:
outside of the JFK deal, I'm not much of a conspiracy guy

though - the more we know, the information we get generally doesn't support that we can trust the information we receive from our government

related to this food scarcity thing - does anyone know what the normal historical rate of food factory fires are?

https://twitter.com/BeeMatney/status/1533077056208134147

could this be some kind of "enemy of the US" activity?  ...duh, of course it's possible - what I mean is - is this normal, a coincidence, or clear subversion from somewhere?
I looked this up the other day.  On average there are over 5,000 fires at processing and manufacturing facilities each year.  I would think several of those would be at food facilities.  https://www.factcheck.org/2022/05/unfounded-claims-about-frequency-and-causes-of-food-plant-fires/

 
Binky The Doormat said:
outside of the JFK deal, I'm not much of a conspiracy guy

though - the more we know, the information we get generally doesn't support that we can trust the information we receive from our government

related to this food scarcity thing - does anyone know what the normal historical rate of food factory fires are?

https://twitter.com/BeeMatney/status/1533077056208134147

could this be some kind of "enemy of the US" activity?  ...duh, of course it's possible - what I mean is - is this normal, a coincidence, or clear subversion from somewhere?
Tell me more about your Netflix series

:popcorn:

 
I just asked the question to see what others thought or what they had read

appreciated @bcat01 response about the normal rate of food production facility fires ...

seemed worthy of discussion
One of the fires this year was a machine malfunctioning.   I would think there are easier ways to burn a place down than sabotaging a machine and counting on it to catch fire and cause major damage. 

 
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One of the fires this year was a machine malfunctioning.   I would think there are easier ways to burn a place down than sabotaging a machine and counting on it to catch fire and cause major damage. 


no doubt - my point was ...I have zero idea of, let's say the last 20-30 years, how many fires/explosions, etc. food plant incidents actually happen.

Some unscrupulous source out there throws out some numbers and then makes it seem like there is something there - when it's actually the norm.  

 
Don't we have someone in the trucking industry here, IIRC?

Nothing official, but I'm hearing some... not good... word of mouth noise coming from friends in the industry. Lots of shutdowns due to diesel prices, etc. I don't know how much truth there is to it (maybe none), but pretty gloomy forecasts for the upcoming months, that would definitely cause us consumers some pain. 

No out of stock issues really, but I know my weekly grocery bill (buying more or less the same stuff) is up about 25-30% on average as they pass along high fuel prices to us, and I expect that to continue to rise. 

 
Don't we have someone in the trucking industry here, IIRC?

Nothing official, but I'm hearing some... not good... word of mouth noise coming from friends in the industry. Lots of shutdowns due to diesel prices, etc. I don't know how much truth there is to it (maybe none), but pretty gloomy forecasts for the upcoming months, that would definitely cause us consumers some pain. 

No out of stock issues really, but I know my weekly grocery bill (buying more or less the same stuff) is up about 25-30% on average as they pass along high fuel prices to us, and I expect that to continue to rise. 
Supplier/Wholesaler here - There is a lot of truth in what you are hearing.  Independent truckers are getting forced out, cant make it on rising fuel costs.  We are raising our prices for the 4th time in 10 months,  didn’t raise for four years before last August.  In fact, I lost 2 25-year accounts this week over pricing.  The little guy is screwed in this.

 
Supplier/Wholesaler here - There is a lot of truth in what you are hearing.  Independent truckers are getting forced out, cant make it on rising fuel costs.  We are raising our prices for the 4th time in 10 months,  didn’t raise for four years before last August.  In fact, I lost 2 25-year accounts this week over pricing.  The little guy is screwed in this.
I'm seeing talk of empty shelves coming due to trucking companies shutting down.

 
Supplier/Wholesaler here - There is a lot of truth in what you are hearing.  Independent truckers are getting forced out, cant make it on rising fuel costs.  We are raising our prices for the 4th time in 10 months,  didn’t raise for four years before last August.  In fact, I lost 2 25-year accounts this week over pricing.  The little guy is screwed in this.
Thanks for the insight. Do you know what percentage of the industry is independent trucking lines?

 
Don't we have someone in the trucking industry here, IIRC?

Nothing official, but I'm hearing some... not good... word of mouth noise coming from friends in the industry. Lots of shutdowns due to diesel prices, etc. I don't know how much truth there is to it (maybe none), but pretty gloomy forecasts for the upcoming months, that would definitely cause us consumers some pain. 

No out of stock issues really, but I know my weekly grocery bill (buying more or less the same stuff) is up about 25-30% on average as they pass along high fuel prices to us, and I expect that to continue to rise. 
Shifting purchases over the last couple months. More crockpot meats and adding beans into the ground beef for taco casserole night.  
My total grocery/restaurant spend is still pretty even over 2019, but it is up 10-20% over Covid levels.  Eggs and milk dropped a bit this week - bread, chips, veggies went up. 

 
Wife works at a College that has an agricultural department.  Every year they send out an email for Cows to be butchered and beef orders.  We ordered a half of a cow last year and still have plenty of meat in the freezers (had to buy a 2nd deep freeze last year because of space).  The steaks are gone but still have roasts and plenty ground beef.  Ordered a 1/4 this year because of lack of space and the fact there are only 3 of us at home now because the other kids are out of the house.  Between the meat and processing comes down to approx $3 per pound and the meat tastes so much better.  If prices keep going up, may have to make a lot of meals with ground beef, but good to have piece of mind of plenty of meat in the freezer.

 
Wife works at a College that has an agricultural department. Every year they send out an email for Cows to be butchered and beef orders. We ordered a half of a cow last year and still have plenty of meat in the freezers (had to buy a 2nd deep freeze last year because of space). The steaks are gone but still have roasts and plenty ground beef. Ordered a 1/4 this year because of lack of space and the fact there are only 3 of us at home now because the other kids are out of the house. Between the meat and processing comes down to approx $3 per pound and the meat tastes so much better. If prices keep going up, may have to make a lot of meals with ground beef, but good to have piece of mind of plenty of meat in the freezer.
Soylent Green will be here before you know it.
 
Wife works at a College that has an agricultural department. Every year they send out an email for Cows to be butchered and beef orders. We ordered a half of a cow last year and still have plenty of meat in the freezers (had to buy a 2nd deep freeze last year because of space). The steaks are gone but still have roasts and plenty ground beef. Ordered a 1/4 this year because of lack of space and the fact there are only 3 of us at home now because the other kids are out of the house. Between the meat and processing comes down to approx $3 per pound and the meat tastes so much better. If prices keep going up, may have to make a lot of meals with ground beef, but good to have piece of mind of plenty of meat in the freezer.
Soylent Green will be here before you know it.
Soylent Green might still be an upgrade from whatever Taco Bell is using.
 
With the ongoing war in Ukraine and China trying to stick to a 0 covid policy, what items (food or otherwise) should we think about stocking up on now that may be in short supply come winter?
 
Wife works at a College that has an agricultural department. Every year they send out an email for Cows to be butchered and beef orders. We ordered a half of a cow last year and still have plenty of meat in the freezers (had to buy a 2nd deep freeze last year because of space). The steaks are gone but still have roasts and plenty ground beef. Ordered a 1/4 this year because of lack of space and the fact there are only 3 of us at home now because the other kids are out of the house. Between the meat and processing comes down to approx $3 per pound and the meat tastes so much better. If prices keep going up, may have to make a lot of meals with ground beef, but good to have piece of mind of plenty of meat in the freezer.
Soylent Green will be here before you know it.
Soylent Green might still be an upgrade from whatever Taco Bell is using.
Soylent Brown?
 

here's a summary of the above from a different source:

What a railroad strike would mean​

About 40% of long-distance shipping in the US is by train. Which is why a railroad strike that could begin as soon as Friday could have serious consequences across the country.
As of Monday, neither the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) nor the SMART Transportation Division (SMART TD), had reached an agreement with carriers, per CNBC.
They represent about half of railroad union workers.

What do they want?

What everyone wants: time off.
  • Some railroads use a points-based attendance system that labor reps say puts workers on call for 12 hours a day and penalizes them for sick or vacation days.
Railroad reps argue the system is necessary to combat staffing shortages, but labor reps counter that carriers have laid off workers to cut costs.
The US Surface Transportation Board notes that the largest carriers by revenue have reduced staff by 29% over the last six years.

What would happen?

A strike would:
  • Shut down ~7k daily trains
  • Cause shortages, shutdowns, and price hikes across sectors. That includes food: railroads transport 20% of all grain and half of fertilizer.
  • Cost the economy ~$2B per day
Trucks can’t help. It’d take an extra 460k+ of them a day, which the American Trucking Associations says is “not possible” — that industry is short ~80k drivers.

Federal officials…

… are holding emergency meetings to prepare, per The Washington Post, and there is precedence for government intervention.
Back in 1992, Congress passed a bill to end a railroad strike after just two days.
 

here's a summary of the above from a different source:

What a railroad strike would mean​

About 40% of long-distance shipping in the US is by train. Which is why a railroad strike that could begin as soon as Friday could have serious consequences across the country.
As of Monday, neither the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers and Trainmen (BLET) nor the SMART Transportation Division (SMART TD), had reached an agreement with carriers, per CNBC.
They represent about half of railroad union workers.

What do they want?

What everyone wants: time off.
  • Some railroads use a points-based attendance system that labor reps say puts workers on call for 12 hours a day and penalizes them for sick or vacation days.
Railroad reps argue the system is necessary to combat staffing shortages, but labor reps counter that carriers have laid off workers to cut costs.
The US Surface Transportation Board notes that the largest carriers by revenue have reduced staff by 29% over the last six years.

What would happen?

A strike would:
  • Shut down ~7k daily trains
  • Cause shortages, shutdowns, and price hikes across sectors. That includes food: railroads transport 20% of all grain and half of fertilizer.
  • Cost the economy ~$2B per day
Trucks can’t help. It’d take an extra 460k+ of them a day, which the American Trucking Associations says is “not possible” — that industry is short ~80k drivers.

Federal officials…

… are holding emergency meetings to prepare, per The Washington Post, and there is precedence for government intervention.
Back in 1992, Congress passed a bill to end a railroad strike after just two days.

Probably not a good idea .
 
A friend of mine's BIL works for a railroad, he's constantly griping about the vacation system. He's been screwed working a few times while the whole side of the family goes on vacation.
 

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