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possible lengthy food, supply shortages coming to the US? Latest: start hiding Sriracha (1 Viewer)

On a scale of 1-10 how concerned are you about a food/supply shortage?

  • 1-Not concerned at all. Business as usual.

    Votes: 48 23.1%

  • 2

    Votes: 35 16.8%

  • 3

    Votes: 30 14.4%

  • 4

    Votes: 25 12.0%

  • 5-Mildly concerned, but not panicking. Stocking up on some non-perishable essentials.

    Votes: 45 21.6%

  • 6

    Votes: 8 3.8%

  • 7

    Votes: 9 4.3%

  • 8

    Votes: 4 1.9%

  • 9

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 10-Stocking up on everything.

    Votes: 4 1.9%
  • Total voters
    208
At my local Publix in FL yesterday they were totally out of plain salt. First I've seen of this. I had to buy some fancy fine sea salt.

I also felt like a hoarder when I grabbed the last cat litter bag.

And the last two bottles of Old Fashioned Mix...

 
FBG26 said:
Dino nuggets? We haven't been able to find them at Target either. Tried the regular shaped nuggets and he screamed bloody murder; you'd think I murdered all of the dinos. 
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Nope Tyson like these ... I guess, from my Google search to get the image, that they're available at Wal-Mart too, but I let my wife brave that hellhole.  :lol:  

 
FBG26 said:
Dino nuggets? We haven't been able to find them at Target either. Tried the regular shaped nuggets and he screamed bloody murder; you'd think I murdered all of the dinos. 
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I'm with you on this. My almost 6 year old, who is on the Autism spectrum, won't eat any other brand or shape. They have to be Tyson Dino Nuggets. We've been to 4 grocery stores in our area as well as Target and no luck. It's awful. 

 
Also hearing a little noise that the farming industry may be in for some pain in the coming months due to a variety of factors including weather ruining crops/fields, worker shortages and supply chain issues (fertilizer, parts, etc.) from overseas.  Will try to find the most recent piece that I read and link it up. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Also hearing a little noise that the farming industry may be in for some pain in the coming months due to a variety of factors including weather ruining crops/fields, worker shortages and supply chain issues (fertilizer, parts, etc.) from overseas.  Will try to find the most recent piece that I read and link it up. 
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One farmer in my area that I know well was saying his farm is completely under the gun between diesel costs and fertilizer doubling in price since last year.

 
facook said:
One farmer in my area that I know well was saying his farm is completely under the gun between diesel costs and fertilizer doubling in price since last year.
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Yep, diesel costs was the one I couldn't remember that was another major factor.  I've seen it $5+/gallon here (although farmers usually get farm diesel at cheaper rates, IIRC) and we are usually among the lowest fuel prices in the country. 

It's all a formula for sparse shelves and higher prices. 

Start planting table scraps?

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Yep, diesel costs was the one I couldn't remember that was another major factor.  I've seen it $5+/gallon here (although farmers usually get farm diesel at cheaper rates, IIRC) and we are usually among the lowest fuel prices in the country. 

It's all a formula for sparse shelves and higher prices. 

Start planting table scraps?
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It's pretty rare to get farm diesel at this point. But it has less sulfur regulations iirc. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Yep, diesel costs was the one I couldn't remember that was another major factor.  I've seen it $5+/gallon here (although farmers usually get farm diesel at cheaper rates, IIRC) and we are usually among the lowest fuel prices in the country. 

It's all a formula for sparse shelves and higher prices. 

Start planting table scraps?
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$5.75/gallon here in Central Oregon.

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Also hearing a little noise that the farming industry may be in for some pain in the coming months due to a variety of factors including weather ruining crops/fields, worker shortages and supply chain issues (fertilizer, parts, etc.) from overseas.  Will try to find the most recent piece that I read and link it up. 
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I've been a farmers market guy for years. So far this year I've been able to get everything I usually get that's in season right now. Prices a slight bit higher but not bad.

Some prices still the same. Might be a good time for folks to try their local farmers markets if they haven't already. 

 
ChiefD said:
I've been a farmers market guy for years. So far this year I've been able to get everything I usually get that's in season right now. Prices a slight bit higher but not bad.

Some prices still the same. Might be a good time for folks to try their local farmers markets if they haven't already. 
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I love our local farmers market.  The jalapeno's at a farmers market have a better kick than anything you can get at a regular grocery store.

 
Hastur said:
I love our local farmers market.  The jalapeno's at a farmers market have a better kick than anything you can get at a regular grocery store.
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For sure. Ours here in KC starts the end of April, so depending on weather it's slim pickin's for the first few weeks. We have a lot of farmers around here that raise crops in a lot of different ways. Some guys will grow some tomatoes in greenhouses so they can deliver fresh tomatoes earlier in the season.  They then plant outside once weather permits as well. This past weekend I was able to get:

Lettuce

Argula

Kale

New potatoes

Asparagus

Cilantro

Carrots

Radish

Tomatoes

Sourdough bread

Strawberries

Had an early heat wave here last week so I suspect the next few weeks will have even more stuff. During the time period from about May 1 through November 1 we probably buy 95% of our produce there. 

 
ChiefD said:
For sure. Ours here in KC starts the end of April, so depending on weather it's slim pickin's for the first few weeks. We have a lot of farmers around here that raise crops in a lot of different ways. Some guys will grow some tomatoes in greenhouses so they can deliver fresh tomatoes earlier in the season.  They then plant outside once weather permits as well. This past weekend I was able to get:

Lettuce

Argula

Kale

New potatoes

Asparagus

Cilantro

Carrots

Radish

Tomatoes

Sourdough bread

Strawberries

Had an early heat wave here last week so I suspect the next few weeks will have even more stuff. During the time period from about May 1 through November 1 we probably buy 95% of our produce there. 
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Oh, I forgot:  ours has bulk beans, nuts, and seeds.  Also, local grown honey.  Mushrooms and avocados too!

During the past 2 years of the pandemic, I've learned to shop more at the farmers market and specialty markets(Mexican market and Asian market).  I hear people talk about how the Walmart and main grocery stores are out of stock of a lot of veggies and fruits.  I silently laugh and drive my happy @$$ to the different smaller markets to buy anything I need for half the price.

 
Hastur said:
Oh, I forgot:  ours has bulk beans, nuts, and seeds.  Also, local grown honey.  Mushrooms and avocados too!

During the past 2 years of the pandemic, I've learned to shop more at the farmers market and specialty markets(Mexican market and Asian market).  I hear people talk about how the Walmart and main grocery stores are out of stock of a lot of veggies and fruits.  I silently laugh and drive my happy @$$ to the different smaller markets to buy anything I need for half the price.
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Was just about to ask you and Chief how the prices compared to what you see in the super market. 

 
Nathan R. Jessep said:
Was just about to ask you and Chief how the prices compared to what you see in the super market. 
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To be honest my wife does all the grocery shopping at the stores and I do the farmers market, so at this point I don't really know.

I know its a bit higher but I couldn't tell you for sure. 

We are a family of 5, and during the peak summer I spend about $80 a week. For that I can usually get:

1. Two dozen corn

2. New potatoes

3. Onions

4. Lettuce & arugula

5. Couple pounds of tomatoes (about 3-5 tomatoes)

6. Apples

7. Peaches

8. Green Beans

9. Green Peppers

10. Carrots

11. Radish

12. Loaf of bread

13. Cilantro

14. Various other little things I add or subtract weekly depending on whats in season

 
Hastur said:
Oh, I forgot:  ours has bulk beans, nuts, and seeds.  Also, local grown honey.  Mushrooms and avocados too!

During the past 2 years of the pandemic, I've learned to shop more at the farmers market and specialty markets(Mexican market and Asian market).  I hear people talk about how the Walmart and main grocery stores are out of stock of a lot of veggies and fruits.  I silently laugh and drive my happy @$$ to the different smaller markets to buy anything I need for half the price.
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Yeah, we have learned to plan our meals around what the Farmers Market has available. I haven't seen bulk beans and nuts and seeds yet at ours, but I'm sure at some point we will. We also get local honey. Pecans also (the best). 

No avocados in our climate though....dammit....  :lol:

We also have a number of food vendors that show up weekly: taco restaurant, donut place, pop up pizza place (had one of these this past weekend)...

My son and I have it dialed in - we usually get there at open at 7:30 and can be out of there in 15-20 minutes.

 
Nestlé is flying baby formula into America as shortage continues

also...

Abbott and the FDA reached an agreement to safely reopen the plant in as soon as two weeks, which would put formula on shelves in six to eight.

  • After FDA approval, Abbott could restart the site within two weeks; from the time of restart it would take six to eight weeks before product is available on shelves
  • Abbott will continue to import formula from FDA-registered facility in Ireland to help alleviate near-term supply shortage
 
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culdeus said:
It's pretty rare to get farm diesel at this point. But it has less sulfur regulations iirc. 
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Pa has “off-road” diesel for tractors, heavy equipment. It doesn’t have the road tax. It’s still haf. 
Over the road diesel is 6.39 here 🙄

 
BeTheMatch said:
This is all one big corporate scam. The meat industry has already been caught lying repeatedly. This is everyone just trying to steal what they can while they can.
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I mean what's the end point here then?  Meat is super sensitive to fuel costs.  As the hedges run out on fuel they will be hurting.  Badly.   Our whole food infrastructure was built on cheap diesel. 

 
culdeus said:
What does this even mean?  
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Well, first of all, I was sort of kidding. But sort of not. The country has been increasingly controlled by big business with less and less governmental oversight. All this, in my opinion, is a product of that flawed system.

These companies lie about everything for the sake of profits. And no one does anything or cares. There's like one politician in the entire country that actually cares (Katie Porter) and knows her stuff and is trying to sound the alarm. But no one cares. The rest are mostly criminals to one degree or another. So we're going to get what we deserve.

Where's it all headed? I don't know, you tell me. Where does the country go when the prices of everything just keep going up and up and up and up and up, sometimes for no actual reason? The whole game is rigged. 

Use gas and fuel prices as an example. Whenever something happens in the short-term, huge price spikes are IMMEDIATE. But when the thing responsible for that increase goes away, it takes months and months and months for the prices to settle back down. It's complete BS. It's corporate America raping its customers for whatever they can get. And that's basically capitalism. The "haves" sustain the economy because they have enough money to pay whatever anything costs without giving a crap. 

But the gap between the haves and have nots is growing dramatically. And it's not sustainable.

When enough people can't buy gas or formula or Jimmy Dean, the poop is going to hit the fan eventually. Eventually they'll realize the whole system is rigged against them and they'll wake up and realize there is no American Dream for them. And then what? I don't know, but it probably won't be good.

 
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BeTheMatch said:
Well, first of all, I was sort of kidding. But sort of not. The country has been increasingly controlled by big business with less and less governmental oversight. All this, in my opinion, is a product of that flawed system.

These companies lie about everything for the sake of profits. And no one does anything or cares. There's like one politician in the entire country that actually cares (Katie Porter) and knows her stuff and is trying to sound the alarm. But no one cares. The rest are mostly criminals to one degree or another. So we're going to get what we deserve.

Where's it all headed? I don't know, you tell me. Where does the country go when the prices of everything just keep going up and up and up and up and up, sometimes for no actual reason? The whole game is rigged. 

Use gas and fuel prices as an example. Whenever something happens in the short-term, huge price spikes are IMMEDIATE. But when the thing responsible for that increase goes away, it takes months and months and months for the prices to settle back down. It's complete BS. It's corporate America raping its customers for whatever they can get. And that's basically capitalism. The "haves" sustain the economy because they have enough money to pay whatever anything costs without giving a crap. 

But the gap between the haves and have nots is growing dramatically. And it's not sustainable.

When enough people can't buy gas or formula or Jimmy Dean, the poop is going to hit the fan eventually. Eventually they'll realize the whole system is rigged against them and they'll wake up and realize there is no American Dream for them. And then what? I don't know, but it probably won't be good.
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I don't think these corporations are all that smart, and are generally run by dumb people that are risk averse.  The central problem facing humanity right now is that to lift new oil out of the ground costs about 80bbl and you need to put a billion into the play to see volume.  That cuts even the big boys out as they can't get banks to underwrite that much. 

So you have oil right now that's being lifted on 35bbl rigs put in the 90s that are depleting fast, you can frack the #### out of them to make them run out faster, or you just sit back and let it come out on it's own.  In some people's world this is a corporation being greedy in not spending money to turn on supply faster, in others it isn't.

Oil companies are sensitive to the price of oil going up until there is demand destruction, with demand destruction you'll see more short term steps taken to keep demand flat.  Demand destruction requires people to stop buying gas to go out to get enchiladas, and as we saw in the pandemic you can't keep a man from his Buffalo Wild Wings or Mexican taco salad without a gun pointed at them.

 
I think a good number of the formulas experiencing shortages are the more specialized ones for infants who can't tolerate regular formula. Also, not all women are able to breastfeed so... 

 
BeTheMatch said:
These companies lie about everything for the sake of profits. And no one does anything or cares. There's like one politician in the entire country that actually cares (Katie Porter) and knows her stuff and is trying to sound the alarm.
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God Bless gerrymandering.  Porter now represents me in Cali.  She's great.  My wife is a HUGE fan.

 
BeTheMatch said:
Well, first of all, I was sort of kidding. But sort of not. The country has been increasingly controlled by big business with less and less governmental oversight. All this, in my opinion, is a product of that flawed system.

These companies lie about everything for the sake of profits. And no one does anything or cares. There's like one politician in the entire country that actually cares (Katie Porter) and knows her stuff and is trying to sound the alarm. But no one cares. The rest are mostly criminals to one degree or another. So we're going to get what we deserve.

Where's it all headed? I don't know, you tell me. Where does the country go when the prices of everything just keep going up and up and up and up and up, sometimes for no actual reason? The whole game is rigged. 

Use gas and fuel prices as an example. Whenever something happens in the short-term, huge price spikes are IMMEDIATE. But when the thing responsible for that increase goes away, it takes months and months and months for the prices to settle back down. It's complete BS. It's corporate America raping its customers for whatever they can get. And that's basically capitalism. The "haves" sustain the economy because they have enough money to pay whatever anything costs without giving a crap. 

But the gap between the haves and have nots is growing dramatically. And it's not sustainable.

When enough people can't buy gas or formula or Jimmy Dean, the poop is going to hit the fan eventually. Eventually they'll realize the whole system is rigged against them and they'll wake up and realize there is no American Dream for them. And then what? I don't know, but it probably won't be good.
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Eat the rich

 
Ron Swanson said:
So misleading.  We have an income tax.  They're trying to use wealth as the measure instead of income. Look in a different year when one of them sells some stock.
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I don't think it's that misleading. I don't think most of their continued income comes in the form of wages. So all that isn't subject to income tax, obviously.

 
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This whole breastmilk thing is going to pale to the catastrophic impacts of locking up Ukraine and Russia wheat.   Most of the baby formula stuff is over hyped media nonsense, this war is going to legit starve some people not even in the same continent soon.

 
So why can’t people make a formula substitute?  I’m still confused. 
 

my hippy parents gave me a goat milk, brewers yeast, molasses mix.   :shrug:

 
DA RAIDERS said:
So why can’t people make a formula substitute?  I’m still confused. 
 

my hippy parents gave me a goat milk, brewers yeast, molasses mix.   :shrug:
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 Because everyone is allergic to everything.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I read the biggest shortage is in the more specialty formulas area.

Can someone explain why there are so many allergies and special diet needs as compared to the past?

 
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