Just curious what people thought of the play. Seems to me the pass was thrown at pretty much a perfect 90 degree angle (as long as they are judging from where brady releases the ball and not where he stands). When the NFL looks at this, and they deem it was not a forward or backward pass, do they change it? I would think there a bunch of teams out there fighting for the playoffs with Brady at the helm. Some percentage of these teams are in a dogfight separated by less than 5 points. I'd hate to get a couple peoples hopes up only to not have it happen on Thursday but just curious what people thought. Could be huge for alot of teams!!!!
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firstseason1988
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Mr. Fusion
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⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
Nevermind. Way off. 
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It looked to be a backwards pass (rush), but I have no idea what you're getting at here. Whether it's a rush or a pass, it would've been a two yard one, as the Patriots were on the two yard line.
⚡DEADHEAD⚡
Footballguy
You're right. I don't even know what I was thinking.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
wat
I think the question is whether Brady might get credit for a TD pass and whether Gronk gets credit for a reception and 2 yard increment for receiving yards. Right now it is a hand off to Gronk who runs it in for a 2 yard rushing TD.
The TV replays showed it as very close, and the unofficial scoring is a rushing TD by Gronk. In a PPR league, Gronk might get a point for the reception, and depending on the yards/pt, maybe an additional receiving yardage point. Brady would get an additional completion and more importantly, another passing TD.
The TV replays showed it as very close, and the unofficial scoring is a rushing TD by Gronk. In a PPR league, Gronk might get a point for the reception, and depending on the yards/pt, maybe an additional receiving yardage point. Brady would get an additional completion and more importantly, another passing TD.
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
Redundant
David Yudkin
Footballguy
It was originally counted as a pass but the official scorer reviewed the replay and changed it to a backwards pass/lateral/run. I don't see any way this gets reversed to a pass/reception.
B-Deep
Footballguy
maybe if me and the op email the league and explain the impact this had on our fantasy teams....(just kidding)
Dought Man
Footballguy
I understand you lost by 3 pts...but, sorry..this is not happening.
T J
Footballguy
And there are leagues that award bonus points for "unusual" plays - such as a TE having a rushing TD. If it were changed to a pass, those bonus points get wiped off the board. So the scoring would affect both Brady and Gronkowski across all scoring formats and though I didn't see the play, I can see how the scoring of it could have a pretty meaningful impact. Not just for Brady, but Gronkowski too.
Area51Inhabitant
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I never saw a definite angle from the LOS but it looked to my naked eye like a pass to me as well. Brady was facing the near sideline so his release point looked right around the 8 yard line and the ball looks like it was caught between the 7 and 8. Full disclosure, I'm a Gronk owner in a non ppr so the change in scoring doesn't effect my team either way.
Dought Man
Footballguy
It would have to be an obvious/glaring mistake if the NFL was going to correct this. They don't sit down and look at every single "close" play and start overturning everything.
Couch Potato
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rizzler
Footballguy
Looks to me to be a pass.I am a Brady owner. But won the game by a huge margin, and couldnt care less if it changes or not (which it won't)But looks to be a pass if feeze-framed.Gronks body positioning makes it look a lateral.. however, he catches the ball infront of him.
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David Yudkin
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Looks to me like Brady has his left foot at the 6 and a half and his right foot on the 7 yard line. Gronk is on the 8 yard line when Brady throws the ball.
ChromeWeasel
Footballguy
Looked like a pass to me to at the game. When I read the stats today I did a double-take. I didnt remember Gronk having a rushing TD. Now I know why it seemed so strange.
Warrior
Footballguy
Get your reading glasses, gramps
That's the 7 and 8 yard lines that Brady is standing between.Gronk catches the ball with his FEET on the 8. His body is clearly arched forward, meaning the ball itself is caught between the 7 and 8.This won't/shouldn't get overturned, but you're way off.
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rizzler
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freeze at 0:07.Brady's front foot at the 7, back foot at the 8.Gronk's body is at the 7.5yd line, the ball, caught IN FRONT of him is at about the 7. In line w/Bradyits a backwards pass, calm down boys.lots of people hoping out there i guess.
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G-Money
Footballguy
^^This^^........don't have to even read any further.
David Yudkin
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I'm blind. But I'm not that blind.Pause the video at 6 seconds. His left foot is inside the 7 yard line. His right foot is just outside the 7 yard line. Gronk's back foot is even with the 8 yard line. He catches the ball with his back foot even with the 8 yard line. He catches the ball with Brady's left foot still inside the 7 yard line. They are not close to being even with each other.When Brady still has the ball in his hand, the ball appears almost exactly even with the 7 yard hash mark. It's close, but it looks like Gronk catches it at the 7 and a half. At this point, I don't see them reversing a call they already changed.MAYBE Brady threw the ball even with his right arm and MAYBE Gronk leaned slightly forward to catch the ball.
glumpy
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I've got it stopped at the 6 second mark as well. I think the difference in interpretation is evidenced by these two posts. Rizzler is looking at when Gronk catches the ball. David is looking at when it is thrown. How's the rule written?
David Yudkin
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I don't have the exact language, but IIRC the rule is written that the ball has to travel BACKWARDS from the quarterback to be considered a lateral (and live ball if dropped) no matter where the receiver is.Since Gronk was behind Brady at the time the ball was thrown, the perception will be that it was thrown backwards even if it were thrown parallel to the LOS. I still think the ball was thrown half a yard backwards, but it is hard to see on the linked video clip. On my big screen tv at home, I thought it was clearly a lateral.My son was at the game on that side of the field near where the play occurred and also thought it was a lateral. In any event, I doubt they will see something that is so evident to overturn the call after the fact.
rizzler
Footballguy
uploaded a photo of the EXACT moment the catch was made:
a) bradys feet planted at the 7 and 8yd lines
b)gronks feet at about the 7.5yd line
c) gronk leaning FORWARD to make the catch at what looks to be the 7yd line
d) brady is RIGHT HANDED, thus, his throwing arm would be where his back foot is planted, which is closer to the 7.5-8yd line.
Will it be overturned? No.
Was it a pass? I think so.
a) bradys feet planted at the 7 and 8yd lines
b)gronks feet at about the 7.5yd line
c) gronk leaning FORWARD to make the catch at what looks to be the 7yd line
d) brady is RIGHT HANDED, thus, his throwing arm would be where his back foot is planted, which is closer to the 7.5-8yd line.
Will it be overturned? No.
Was it a pass? I think so.
Mr. Fusion
Footballguy
Music City Miracle was a forward pass.
identikit
Footballguy
Always thought so as well.Would ruin the legend though.Music City Miracle was a forward pass.
identikit
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glumpy
breeze
Thanks DAvid. I'm with rizzler in that I've got no dog in this hunt; don't think it'll affect my leaguemates either.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
It does not matter where Brady ENDS UP. It does not matter where Gronk ENDS UP. The ONLY THING that matters is if the ball at the time it is released goes backwards. It has nothing to do with where anyone is standing or not standing. Brady could end up at the 50 yard line and Gronk could end up at the goal line. Either the ball went backwards at the point it was released or not.Combining what you and I posted . . .
I say at the time the ball was released Brady was strattling the 7 yard line. You say it was caught at the 7 and a half. Sounds like it went backwards, but it shouldn't matter either way.
