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Post Draft Bloom 100: 1-50 (1 Viewer)
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dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
no quinn?
interesting
interesting
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He's ranked #16.
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
not in top 12, as per title, thats the one that surprised me some, logic makes sense, but i thought he would have been right around 8-10
halos wins the prize, thats who I was referring to.
SkyRattlers
Anti-aliai
Could you clarify your comments on this one? Is 75-100 a typo?
Patrick Willis LB
The savings bond of the rookie draft first round draft picks. His upside is limited to no higher than a top 75-100 overall IDP dynasty player, but he's very likely to hit it.
Patrick Willis LB
The savings bond of the rookie draft first round draft picks. His upside is limited to no higher than a top 75-100 overall IDP dynasty player, but he's very likely to hit it.
top 75-100 overall in an initial dynasty draft - about where the stud LBs start to go. any IDPs ultimate upside in dynasty leagues is capped by scarcity at the offensive skill positions. No matter how good they are, there's 10-15 QBs, 7-10 TEs, 25 or so RBs, and 25 or so WRs that they can never leapfrog.
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Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Thanks
Very good read Bloom!
If Olsen pans out he could be huge for Chicago. His speed is going to force mismatches against most of the MLB in the NFC central IMO. His size is an issue for most of the safteys.
If he can just catch the ball, good things are going to happen for him and the Bears offense in a bigger sense. He may end up being the "Marquez Colston" of 2007. Just saying....he will be seeing targets
ETA NFC North, NFC North ~ freakin expansions........
Very good read Bloom!
If Olsen pans out he could be huge for Chicago. His speed is going to force mismatches against most of the MLB in the NFC central IMO. His size is an issue for most of the safteys.
If he can just catch the ball, good things are going to happen for him and the Bears offense in a bigger sense. He may end up being the "Marquez Colston" of 2007. Just saying....he will be seeing targets
ETA NFC North, NFC North ~ freakin expansions........
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folks, ill be around to discuss this all morning, so feel free to question my rankings. This is something like serving a slice of cake that has only been in an easy bake oven, so a lot of you will likely show me an angle that I haven't yet considered.
For the same reason that Correll Buckhalter is not in my top 60 dynasty RBs
I knew that I couldnt do this this quickly (im running on fumes) without getting my wires crossed at least once. Fixed.
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zadok
Footballguy
How in the world does Antonio Pittman have more value than a guy who will get goalline work from week 1 2007?
Flash
Footballguy
No problem, I wasn't trying to be a #### about it, just really wondering if maybe I missed a trade.Great job.I knew that I couldnt do this this quickly (im running on fumes) without getting my wires crossed at least once. Fixed.
Dope
Footballguy
I love the Bloom 100.
I also just had the 1.9 pick and pulled the trigger on Brady Quinn....going against Bloom wisdom.
I don't see the doom and gloom for Quinn as compared to Carr or Joey. I think their situations are different.
For one Carr was #1 overall. Huge pressure. Also...no offensive line.
Joey played in Detroit. Almost enuff said there...
Quinn is in his hometown. They just upgraded his o-line and got his protector. Charlie Weis offense and coaching. Some serious plusses. Also...I think he's gonna have a pretty huge chip on his shoulder going forward.
I also just had the 1.9 pick and pulled the trigger on Brady Quinn....going against Bloom wisdom.
I don't see the doom and gloom for Quinn as compared to Carr or Joey. I think their situations are different.
For one Carr was #1 overall. Huge pressure. Also...no offensive line.
Joey played in Detroit. Almost enuff said there...
Quinn is in his hometown. They just upgraded his o-line and got his protector. Charlie Weis offense and coaching. Some serious plusses. Also...I think he's gonna have a pretty huge chip on his shoulder going forward.
But what do you think of my crystal ball's take on Quinn?
Where you see a chip on Quinn's shoulder, I see a monkey on his back. I think he still has a ton of pressure. His slide has made him the most talked about player in this draft - that's plenty of pressure. Faletti got to ask him a question in the presser, and said he did well, but even my sister, who is a very casual football fan, asked me about "that QB who was the saddest guy at the draft". Phil Savage and maybe even Romeo Crennel's future with the team is riding on how Quinn does this year. If the Browns don't win more than 5 or 6 games, the draft day trade will be an unmitigated disaster.
One more thing - Cleveland has been just as horrendous as Detroit in recent history.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
I know he isn't a rookie, but where do you see Mike Williams on the list against the rookie WRs? I think he has a shot to do something and thought about maybe making a run at the guy, but not sure how high to target him.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
I like where you have Bush.
I think he was a throwin in the McCown deal. Maybe Kiffin has a special spell he can put him under to make him remember the player he was back at USC, but he's still a long shot at this point.I know he isn't a rookie, but where do you see Mike Williams on the list against the rookie WRs? I think he has a shot to do something and thought about maybe making a run at the guy, but not sure how high to target him.
As long as he's healthy, I expect him to be given a shot at the job. That being said, his falling to 99 shows that teams are wary of the long term soundness of his leg.I like where you have Bush.
Dope
Footballguy
Sadness is just the mask that his pain put on that day.That mask can easily turn into anger and determination. I'm pretty sure that's the natural progression.Anyway...I did have a huge need at QB. I like his talent. I like his coaching. I even kinda like his situation.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I'm not sure what you're asking...you're downgrading him because you expect them to crater and they don't have a first round pick next year. Well, their already about as low as you can get. They've improved their O-line and signed Lewis which should take some pressure off whoever the QB is (I'm assuming Frye or Anderson starts the year as the #1). I actually like their offense in general for next year.The big question is their defense, and I'll acknowledge that its pretty putrid, but that could turn out to be OK for his fantasy projection.
I'll also throw this stat out there...
...that's from an article over at footballoutisdersI really don't see why he won't be a decent to good pro.
First, I agree with Sammy3469 and dsrm about Quinn. I think the Browns have actually handled this offseason nearly perfectly. With the addition of Seinbach and the fact that he has decent skill position players around him I would have felt that Quinn was a safer choice than Russel had he gone to the Browns at the number 3 pick. The fact that they also drafted Joe Thomas is icing on the cake.
My only other real question has to do with Anthony Gonzalez. I know it is important to not get too excited based on situation but I think he should definitely be higher ranked. After CJ, Meachem, and Bowe I could certainly see an argument to be made for Gonzalez as the next best WR prospect. While you obviously have strong feelings about Sidney Rice I see a lot of risk. I sat in the student section for four years of a Brad Childress offense and trust me when I say that what you saw while he was in Philly was not his doing. This guy will run the ball a lot. And with AD and Chester Taylor I believe his intention is to be near the league leaders in rushing attempts every year.
But my comment is intended to be about Anthony Gonzalez. What I see is a very quick and polished receiver who while getting very little hype has actually produced similar numbers (at times better) than Ted Ginn and Santonio Holmes. He has been drafted by an organization that in recent years has not made many if any mistakes with their first round draft picks and is in the best possible situation for a WR. He will be playing in the slot as a rookie with the ability to put up 400-600 yards and 4-6 TDs and will move into the number two slot in the next two to three years when Harrison retires. In an offense with Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, and Joseph Addai I would anticipate top 10-15 WR numbers for a long time.
Bottom line is a guy with a very low floor who should be reasonably productive as a rookie and has the ability and situation to be a top 10 player at his position. I would put him somewhere in the WR 4-6 position and certainly ahead of Steve Smith, Ted Ginn, and Craig Davis.
My only other real question has to do with Anthony Gonzalez. I know it is important to not get too excited based on situation but I think he should definitely be higher ranked. After CJ, Meachem, and Bowe I could certainly see an argument to be made for Gonzalez as the next best WR prospect. While you obviously have strong feelings about Sidney Rice I see a lot of risk. I sat in the student section for four years of a Brad Childress offense and trust me when I say that what you saw while he was in Philly was not his doing. This guy will run the ball a lot. And with AD and Chester Taylor I believe his intention is to be near the league leaders in rushing attempts every year.
But my comment is intended to be about Anthony Gonzalez. What I see is a very quick and polished receiver who while getting very little hype has actually produced similar numbers (at times better) than Ted Ginn and Santonio Holmes. He has been drafted by an organization that in recent years has not made many if any mistakes with their first round draft picks and is in the best possible situation for a WR. He will be playing in the slot as a rookie with the ability to put up 400-600 yards and 4-6 TDs and will move into the number two slot in the next two to three years when Harrison retires. In an offense with Peyton Manning, Reggie Wayne, and Joseph Addai I would anticipate top 10-15 WR numbers for a long time.
Bottom line is a guy with a very low floor who should be reasonably productive as a rookie and has the ability and situation to be a top 10 player at his position. I would put him somewhere in the WR 4-6 position and certainly ahead of Steve Smith, Ted Ginn, and Craig Davis.
Alluro
Footballguy
"Davis was clearly drafted to be the future #1 WR in San Diego (Sorry Vincent). I'm skeptical about his ability to ever live up to that role, but you have to love that the team will give him every chance to seize it."
How is Craig Davis being selected by the chargers anymore of an indication than anthony gonzalez being selected by the colts that their teams see them as the future #1 guy? Admittedly, I am a Vjax owner and i was happy to see the chargers draft someone like a Craig Davis instead of a true feature receiver like a Sidney rice or Dwayne Jarrett. I disagree with you on this one bloom..I think the chargers see Davis as a nice complement to Jackson, and not the future #1. Just last offseason, Rivers was quoted as saying Jackson is just as talented as any Wr in football.
How is Craig Davis being selected by the chargers anymore of an indication than anthony gonzalez being selected by the colts that their teams see them as the future #1 guy? Admittedly, I am a Vjax owner and i was happy to see the chargers draft someone like a Craig Davis instead of a true feature receiver like a Sidney rice or Dwayne Jarrett. I disagree with you on this one bloom..I think the chargers see Davis as a nice complement to Jackson, and not the future #1. Just last offseason, Rivers was quoted as saying Jackson is just as talented as any Wr in football.
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I really encourage people to follow the link and read the article. It is a very interesting look at predicting NFL success of highly drafted Quarterbacks. Not sure how to map that to fantasy success but it certainly points to Brady Quinn being a solid NFL quarterback.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No doubt that Quinn would have been in a better situation in Miami...but his situation in Cleveland isn't that bad...far better than the situation Jamarcus is facing in Oakland. So short term, Quinn's likelihood of success is higher. Long term, if Crennel gets fired...it may not be a bad thing for him. Cowher is widely rumored to be a target when he comes back to the NFL. Missing a single first round pick next year isn't going to send this team into a death spiral.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Or that he's not nearly as good healthy as everyone thinks he is?As long as he's healthy, I expect him to be given a shot at the job. That being said, his falling to 99 shows that teams are wary of the long term soundness of his leg.I like where you have Bush.
I am in exact disagreement with your point on Lewis. He was one of the least effective starting RBs last year, and I don't see that changing this year. Lewis has lost his burst and he's got one in the foot in the grave as far as I'm concerned.I do not dispute that Brady Quinn has the pedigree to be a solid QB, I just think he's being set up to fail.
Jackson has not shown the ability to be a true go-to WR, the kind of guy you trust on 3rd and 7. He can stretch defenses, but he's not a natural. To be honest, I don't think Davis is a natural either, but he's more like a guy you can target on all the routes than VJax is.
Also, notice that Quinn comes in at 58%, just above the somewhat arbitrary 57% cut off line, and scouts were more concerned about his intermediate/deep accuracy than anything else in his game. Once again, I must point out that Russ Lande said Quinn had the worst downfield accuracy of any of the QBs he scouted in depth.I really encourage people to follow the link and read the article. It is a very interesting look at predicting NFL success of highly drafted Quarterbacks. Not sure how to map that to fantasy success but it certainly points to Brady Quinn being a solid NFL quarterback.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Obviously there are reasons why he was still on the board at # 100, but he basically has a whole season to get fully healthy. I expect him to be the starter before the start of the 2008 season. :(As long as he's healthy, I expect him to be given a shot at the job. That being said, his falling to 99 shows that teams are wary of the long term soundness of his leg.I like where you have Bush.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I continue to be amazed that Michael BUsh is not rated in the top-5 by most people.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
People are smarter than you think?
They've been in a death spiral since coming back from the dead in 1999, save for a decent 2002. If they don't get out of the spiral this year, the lack of a top 10 pick will take away the one bone a bad team gets thrown when their season goes into the crapper - it will keep them in the death spiral they are stuck in as we speak.
You'll get no disagreement from me about Jamal Lewis. I think he has been one of the least effective starting RBs for the last three years. However, he isn't the only other offensive player on the Browns roster. Steinbach is a good player, Edwards is a good receiver and is going to get better, Winslow is a decent player and a good safety valve, Lewis is ineffective but can be counted on to at least smash into the line for 3 yards or so with some consistency, and Joe Thomas will be an excellent player. In addition, everyone of those guys is significantly better than their counterpart with the Oakland Raiders. I honestly have a very hard time putting JaMarcus Russel so high. I really believe that everything is pointing to Brady Quinn being a better prospect. A better college pedigree (four years as a starter is extremely significant), better surrounding talent at the skill positions, a better coaching staff, and a better offensive line.
Can you unpack this? Does that mean that you think he should be a top 5 fantasy pick? Or that you expected everyone to rank him there?If Bush had not had his leg opened up to put more hardware in after healing incorrectly, Id be inclined to agree. If Oakland had taken him at 33, or even 65, Id be inclined to agree. He's a first round physical talent, but his fall to the end of the 3rd clearly signals that teams have medical questions about him, so I temper my enthusiasm despite his plum situation.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
I clippped the IDPs out of this and posted in the IDP forum.
That's a good point and the one thing I am most concerned about with Brady Quinn. I really would have liked to see a better completion percentage from him. The thing about Brady Quinn that most impresses me is that it isn't like he had a great supporting cast around him. Where are the offensive players from ND getting drafted? People like to talk about his performance in big games but to me the big thing is the fact that he put his team in a position for those to be considered big games. Without Brady Quinn a regular season match up between ND and USC isn't considered a big game, it is considered a soft nonconference schedule for USC.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No moreso than Oakland. Cleveland is in a much better position to crawl out of their hole than Oakland is anytime in the next 5 years. Jamarcus might be the better talent of the two, but he's in a significantly worse position. They've got a decent D out there in Oakland, but the O is a mess.Also. The Browns aren't losing a #1 pick next year. They got it THIS year. Jamarcus doesn't have a Joe Thomas to compliment him in this draft. The cost is this year's second.
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