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Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.

 
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
explain the politics
Not sure I can do that. It'd be anecdotal.

No, I think the sort of rigid 90's DiY politics, up to and including radical academic feminism and vegetarianism (yes, when Cobain ate a roast beef sandwich at an awards show, it prompted a vehement debate). The politics run through the songs, and their image, too. "Everyone is gay,"comes immediately to mind. So do the cheerleaders with the anarchy symbols on their chest in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video. I tried to start a thread on Kathleen Hanna earlier this year, and got zero -- utterly zero -- responses.

I just think they were a band of times for the indie world, a band that crashed the void left by hair metal, and that Mudhoney's output, while presumably just as DiY and political, was subtler, and better. Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge, was astounding from the cover art to the music.

 
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Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
explain the politics
Not sure I can do that. It'd be anecdotal.

No, I think the sort of rigid 90's DiY politics, up to and including radical academic feminism and vegetarianism (yes, when Cobain ate a roast beef sandwich at an awards show, it prompted a vehement debate). The politics run through the songs, and their image, too. "Everyone is gay,"comes immediately to mind. So do the cheerleaders with the anarchy symbols on their chest in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video. I tried to start a thread on Kathleen Hanna earlier this year, and got zero -- utterly zero -- responses.

I just think they were a band of times for the indie world, a band that crashed the void left by hair metal, and that Mudhoney's output, while presumably just as DiY and political, was subtler, and better. Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge, was astounding from the cover art to the music.
I have no idea what any of this means. Not one single word.

 
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
explain the politics
Not sure I can do that. It'd be anecdotal.

No, I think the sort of rigid 90's DiY politics, up to and including radical academic feminism and vegetarianism (yes, when Cobain ate a roast beef sandwich at an awards show, it prompted a vehement debate). The politics run through the songs, and their image, too. "Everyone is gay,"comes immediately to mind. So do the cheerleaders with the anarchy symbols on their chest in the "Smells Like Teen Spirit" video. I tried to start a thread on Kathleen Hanna earlier this year, and got zero -- utterly zero -- responses.

I just think they were a band of times for the indie world, a band that crashed the void left by hair metal, and that Mudhoney's output, while presumably just as DiY and political, was subtler, and better. Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge, was astounding from the cover art to the music.
I have no idea what any of this means. Not one single word.
DiY = do-it-yourself, both in terms of production and distribution, for starters, and the debate about artistic integrity and corporations that flows therefrom.

radical academic feminism = see: Mary Daly

vegetarianism and the roast beef blow up = see: Wikipedia

Should I go on, or are you purposely being obtuse?

 
pantherclub said:
Sabertooth said:
pantherclub said:
I don't get the hero type worship for people in the military but hardly anything for our police and first responders.
I agree with this although most cops I know are just overgrown bullies.
I get that but you could easily make the case that most guys in the service are meatheads as well.
Yea, but they don't keep getting caught over and over beat the crap out of American civilians.

When a soldier loses control, IF it's reported, it's usually a sad case of a guy cracking under extreme circumstances. While the same might be said of cops losing control, they can always quit or seek help or talk to their families at night or lots of other things. Soldiers are stuck in hell. They may have signed up, but it's not like they can hang up the cleats when their brains behind oozing out their ears.

 
rockaction said:
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
I've only seen Mudhoney once and they were amazing, but I think Nirvana became more commercially successful by effort and design. Was Mudhoney pushing as hard for that exposure at the time? I honestly don't know the answer, but they always struck me as very content to stay under the radar.

Nevermind had a lot of commercial appeal and a lot of marketing dollars behind it. I always thought Cobain was an ### for ripping Pearl Jam while his own band was busy making videos and doing interviews. Seemed like the height of hypocrisy to me.

 
rockaction said:
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
I've only seen Mudhoney once and they were amazing, but I think Nirvana became more commercially successful by effort and design. Was Mudhoney pushing as hard for that exposure at the time? I honestly don't know the answer, but they always struck me as very content to stay under the radar.

Nevermind had a lot of commercial appeal and a lot of marketing dollars behind it. I always thought Cobain was an ### for ripping Pearl Jam while his own band was busy making videos and doing interviews. Seemed like the height of hypocrisy to me.
I can't argue with almost any of that, except when Mudhoney signed to Epic records and put out a less-than-stellar album. "My Brother, The Cow," I think it was. Maybe time just passed them by. But their first three albums were legendary.

 
rockaction said:
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
I've only seen Mudhoney once and they were amazing, but I think Nirvana became more commercially successful by effort and design. Was Mudhoney pushing as hard for that exposure at the time? I honestly don't know the answer, but they always struck me as very content to stay under the radar.

Nevermind had a lot of commercial appeal and a lot of marketing dollars behind it. I always thought Cobain was an ### for ripping Pearl Jam while his own band was busy making videos and doing interviews. Seemed like the height of hypocrisy to me.
I can't argue with almost any of that, except when Mudhoney signed to Epic records and put out a less-than-stellar album. "My Brother, The Cow," I think it was. Maybe time just passed them by. But their first three albums were legendary.
I'm glad they didn't get huge. You can listen to any of their stuff and say that's what the "Seattle sound" really meant, before the media ravaged it.

 
rockaction said:
Mudhoney was a better band than Nirvana, and it was only the politics of the times that cemented Nirvana as the Seattle band.
I've only seen Mudhoney once and they were amazing, but I think Nirvana became more commercially successful by effort and design. Was Mudhoney pushing as hard for that exposure at the time? I honestly don't know the answer, but they always struck me as very content to stay under the radar.

Nevermind had a lot of commercial appeal and a lot of marketing dollars behind it. I always thought Cobain was an ### for ripping Pearl Jam while his own band was busy making videos and doing interviews. Seemed like the height of hypocrisy to me.
I can't argue with almost any of that, except when Mudhoney signed to Epic records and put out a less-than-stellar album. "My Brother, The Cow," I think it was. Maybe time just passed them by. But their first three albums were legendary.
I'm glad they didn't get huge. You can listen to any of their stuff and say that's what the "Seattle sound" really meant, before the media ravaged it.
I agree. Maybe this wasn't so unpopular.

 
Since the Disney channel is on at my house a lot, I've found that I enjoy Good Luck Charlie, Austin and Allie, and Dog with a Blog more than almost every other show.

 
• America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

• On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

• Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

• If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.

 
• America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

• On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

• Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

• If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.
This is a pretty popular opinion in many places.

 
• America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

• On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

• Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

• If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.
This is a pretty popular opinion in many places.
The Big 3 automakers might be a strong exception.

 
Gay rights' struggles are not analogous to the Civil Rights of the 50s and 60s.
This isn't unpopular, it's simply incorrect.
Who has better opportunities and a chance for a better place on the social ladder? an african-american circa 1950 or a white homosexual circa 1980?
What about a black homosexual in 1980?

Since gays and lesbians can hide their gayness and lesbianess, it's NOT a simple question of human rights? Right.

 
America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.
This is a pretty popular opinion in many places.
Hugo Chavez's cabinet?

 
America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.
This is a pretty popular opinion in many places.
Hugo Chavez's cabinet?
Anywhere people understand that paying workers does more for the economy than overpaying one CEO does.

 
All the people in here posting relatively popular opinions remind me of the people who post pictures of clearly attractive women in the "women you find strangely attractive" thread.

 
Gay rights' struggles are not analogous to the Civil Rights of the 50s and 60s.
This isn't unpopular, it's simply incorrect.
Who has better opportunities and a chance for a better place on the social ladder? an african-american circa 1950 or a white homosexual circa 1980?
What about a black homosexual in 1980?

Since gays and lesbians can hide their gayness and lesbianess, it's NOT a simple question of human rights? Right.
I'm not saying it's not a civil rights issue, I'm saying it's a poor analogy. Gays have the right to vote, go to any school they want, buy a house, get a loan etc. What blacks went through was 100x worse.
 
pantherclub said:
I don't get the hero type worship for people in the military but hardly anything for our police and first responders.
I happen to agree with this and I am in the military. It actually kind of annoys me when someone says "thanks for your service". It happens all the time and I know people are being nice, but it is annoying.

However, I qualify it with the fact that after 9/11, there was even bigger knob slobbing for police and firemen for a while. It has to do with the fact that we are "in a war" and I think it has more to do with what is going on right now than anything. I have been in for 18 years and I don't remember anyone ever thanking me back in 1995-2001.

Also, people in the military do make ridiculous sacrifices that most people could never understand, so to me, it means more coming from someone who has actually served because they know how much it sucks a lot of the time. That doesn't mean I think less of people who haven't served, but I always thought it sounded empty, like they felt they had to say thanks.

 
America didn't end slavery. We exported it to Asia.

On a similar note, our prison system is a racist system that enslaves the poor.

[Check out The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness for more info.]

Unions aren't the problem. Overpaid CEOs are the problem.

If you are spending money on new cars and boats and you're in debt, you aren't an adult.
This is a pretty popular opinion in many places.
Hugo Chavez's cabinet?
Anywhere people understand that paying workers does more for the economy than overpaying one CEO does.
I was saying there aren't lots of grossly overpaid CEO's, but to suggest unions are not part of the problem is ludicrous.

 
pantherclub said:
I don't get the hero type worship for people in the military but hardly anything for our police and first responders.
I happen to agree with this and I am in the military. It actually kind of annoys me when someone says "thanks for your service". It happens all the time and I know people are being nice, but it is annoying. However, I qualify it with the fact that after 9/11, there was even bigger knob slobbing for police and firemen for a while. It has to do with the fact that we are "in a war" and I think it has more to do with what is going on right now than anything. I have been in for 18 years and I don't remember anyone ever thanking me back in 1995-2001.

Also, people in the military do make ridiculous sacrifices that most people could never understand, so to me, it means more coming from someone who has actually served because they know how much it sucks a lot of the time. That doesn't mean I think less of people who haven't served, but I always thought it sounded empty, like they felt they had to say thanks.
Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for your service. :salute:
 
pantherclub said:
I don't get the hero type worship for people in the military but hardly anything for our police and first responders.
I happen to agree with this and I am in the military. It actually kind of annoys me when someone says "thanks for your service". It happens all the time and I know people are being nice, but it is annoying. However, I qualify it with the fact that after 9/11, there was even bigger knob slobbing for police and firemen for a while. It has to do with the fact that we are "in a war" and I think it has more to do with what is going on right now than anything. I have been in for 18 years and I don't remember anyone ever thanking me back in 1995-2001.

Also, people in the military do make ridiculous sacrifices that most people could never understand, so to me, it means more coming from someone who has actually served because they know how much it sucks a lot of the time. That doesn't mean I think less of people who haven't served, but I always thought it sounded empty, like they felt they had to say thanks.
This doesn't make sense to me. You say it annoys you when people thank you for your service, then mention ridiculous sacrifices military members make. That's why you're being thanked.
 

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