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LMAO @ copying & pasting your first post again in same thread. LOL, BigRed...should be BrokenRecord!
It's mostly going to be within categories themselves, but does upgrade top tier receivers, too. On last year's stats Rudi had 23 receptions, while Ladell Betts had 53. That's 30 more points that Betts scores in a PPR league than Rudi. Rudi had 215.2 pts (per FBG's stats page), while Betts had 189.9. Adding PPR, Betts outscores Rudi 242.9 to 237.2. Reggie Bush had 89 receptions and increases his 177.6 pts to now 266.6, outscoring Both Betts and Rudi. I think it puts him inside the top 10. He's 17th without PPR. So a guy who's going to get 40-50 catches might move up a slot or two, but a guy that gets 70-90 catches (SJax, Westbrook, Bush, etc) should move up even more. Note Kevin Jones had 61 catches in only 12 games. Is he a RB to target in a PPR league? Just remember that if Reggie Bush catches 50 more passes than another RB that guy needs to produce an extra 500 yds than Bush just to make up for it (assuming 10 yds/pt). The top receivers' values also increase. Thinking VBD, the top 8 receivers last year all caught over 80 balls. WR's 26-30 caught in the 60 range. So those top receivers VBD increases by an additional 20+ over their WR3 counterparts. On FBG's stats page Harrison's VBD was 96 over WR30. Add in PPR and he now has a VBD of 131 (35 more catches than Muhammad). A VBD of 131 should put him up closer to the top RBs. I don't have all the numbers crunched, but I think RB20 in a PPR league was around 190. That would mean a RB would need to score 321 or more to outproduce Harrison (190 + 131). Only 5 RBs produced 320+ Ftsy pts in a PPR league. Does that make Harrison the #6 overall pick? Definitely not, but it does show that there may be some value there or any other high reception receivers. PPR leagues definitely devalue QBs even more. The top RB's, WR's and TE's further distance themselves from their lower tier counterparts, while there is no change in top QB's. Again, as mentioned above, it does all come down to your projections and how the numbers fall. Draft Dominator or even the VBD app are great ways to get a feel for the changes it causes.
To give an accurate answer, I would need to know if your league is like 1 point across all positions or does it award RBs/WRs/TEs different and as well as your line-up, but I will answer generally.For a RB who is an extreme in either catches or no catches I would say that I could move a guy the equivalent of half around to a round. While that is important I would say the biggest difference is not at the top of the WR food chain, but with your back-up RBs and WR 3/4. In PPR, especially if you have flex spots, trying to fill those with RBs is not as critical from a line-up standpoint (numbers of players maybe different). A WR25 will probably have a similair value to RB18 or so.
Non PPR PPRL.Tomlinson 361 L.Tomlinson 414S.Jackson 317 S.Jackson 387L.Johnson 304 L.Johnson 345F.Gore 277 F.Gore 332S.Alexander 250 B.Westbrook 311J.Addai 248 R.Bush 300W.Parker 243 J.Addai 295B.Westbrook 241 W.Parker 269L.Maroney 228 S.Alexander 266R.Johnson 222 L.Maroney 261R.Bush 217 M.Jones-Drew 244T.Henry 214 R.Johnson 242W.McGahee 208 E.James 240E.James 201 R.Brown 239R.Brown 201 T.Henry 234M.Jones-Drew 200 W.McGahee 232C.Benson 193 C.Portis 218C.Portis 193 T.Jones 215T.Jones 187 C.Williams 213D.McAllister 179 C.Benson 211C.Williams 178 A.Green 209M.Lynch 175 D.McAllister 207A.Green 172 D.Williams 203B.Jacobs 170 M.Lynch 202D.Williams 169 B.Jacobs 189A.Peterson 158 A.Peterson 184J.Lewis 154 M.Barber 176M.Barber 154 J.Lewis 175F.Taylor 149 F.Taylor 171J.Jones 147 k.Jones 169NON PPR PPRC.Johnson 203 C.Johnson 299S.Smith 201 T.Holt 295T.Holt 199 S.Smith 294R.Wayne 196 R.Wayne 284T.Owens 188 M.Harrison 277M.Harrison 188 L.Fitzgerald 275L.Fitzgerald 184 T.Owens 270R.Williams 176 A.Boldin 261J.Walker 172 D.Driver 259D.Driver 172 TJ Houshmanz 258A.Boldin 170 A.Johnson 258TJ Houshmanz 169 R.Williams 255A.Johnson 168 J.Walker 251M.Colston 167 M.Colston 246L.Evans 167 L.Evans 245P.Burress 159 P.Burress 230R.Moss 158 H.Ward 229H.Ward 153 R.Moss 228S.Moss 148 D.Branch 218J.Galloway 147 L.Coles 218B.Edwards 144 B.Edwards 216D.Branch 144 S.Moss 216C.Chambers 142 C.Chambers 212R.Brown 140 J.Galloway 211L.Coles 140 J.Cotchery 206D.Jackson 132 R.Brown 202J.Cotchery 132 D.Jackson 199T.Glenn 131 T.Glenn 196C.Johnson 131 C.Johnson 196B.Berrian 129 M.Clayton 192
My rankings have Rudi behind the top 15 WR's in PPR league where as he finishes ahead of #1 in a non-ppr league. The biggest move at RB is Reggie Bush of course, who moves from a marginal 1st rd. pick to just missing the top 5.Roy Williams & Javon Walker drop 4 or 5 spots from standard to PPR where as L.Coles moves up 5 at WR. Within the WR ranking there isn't too much change, the top 29 WR's are still the same 29, just reshuffled some. Actually, at RB the only change in the top 30 is at #30 where Julius Jones is replaced by Kevin Jones in a PPR. The biggest change is how some non pass catching RB's drop as compared to their WR counterparts, as in Rudi Johnson's already mentioned above. Shuan Alexander is another that I have outscoring all WR's in a standard league yet falling below the top 13 WR's in a PPR. T.Henry, C.Benson, J.Lewis & F.Taylor are others that get passed up by a large group of WR's. Of course this is just total scoring, changes in valuee depend on so much more ie. league size, starting requirements etc. Another thing I must add is that these are my rankings, they may be completely off base. They represent what I think is going to happen, not what is going to happen. Your rankings may be extremely different than mine.
Very true. PPR can kill QB value unless you make a few changes to QB scoring (up to 6 pts./TD pass and 1 pt./15 yards passing).
Great Post. I'm trying to understand this. If you are in a league that starts 1 RB/3Wrs or 2 RBs/2Wrs (1pt each 10 yds rushing or receiving) which position do you try to fill first? If the QBs score 6pts for each TD but 1 pt for every 20yds, do you still devalue them?Also after Gates, do TEs really have any real value?
You can truly go BPA, but because there are fewer RBs all things being equal the RB often still gets the nod.
Thanks!!!
