Presidential Debate Thread - Obama vs. Romney (4 Viewers)

[Politician Spock]

Obama resorting to outright lies tonight. He said gas and oil leases & production are up on federal lands when even his DoE released a report recently showing both leases and production are down considerably.

I don't think he said leases are up. I believe that the assertion was that since he took office production is up on federal lands.

Obama said his administration ended leases because those who held them weren't using them, so they ended them with the intent to re-lease them.

 

[adonis]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Directly after that "fact checker" Anderson Cooper clearly said the video they played in the rose garden was taken out of context, and the paragraph before the "acts of terror" comment BO was referncing 9/11. I just played it back on my DVR to verify.

That's not what he said.He said there was wiggle room. The fact checkers were strictly looking to see if he said those words, and he did.Anderson was saying that if you take things contextually and look at the broader picture, there's wiggle room, and then they went on to dismiss this trivial concern as something not important to people because Romney's bigger point was true and worth mentioning, and the administration has some answering to do for the mixed signaling. Romney simply chose to say Obama didn't say words he did say...he should've stuck to the broader point.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

If you're not watching Erin Burnett on CNN right now, you hate America.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Bottom Line. When you wake up tomorrow...

Gas Prices are ?

Unemployment ?

How much does the USA owe?

Clearly all circumstances that resulted only from the past 3 years. What happened before that is totally irrelevant.

I BLAME GEORGE BUSH! WAAAAAH!

Fixed, for accuracy.

You ignoring the severe damage GW and his cronies did make you look stupid. When can we talk about the debt, the death and the incompetency? When Romney is in office? Or should we just forget about it? ####### terrible.

You're kidding with this? You're asking when we can talk about this when it's the only thing the left has been doing since 2000? At what point do you guys take responsibility?

So can we just throw out years 2001 through 2008? Is that what you are purposing? And who is "you guys?"

 

[bigbottom]

Obama resorting to outright lies tonight. He said gas and oil leases & production are up on federal lands when even his DoE released a report recently showing both leases and production are down considerably.

I don't think he said leases are up. I believe that the assertion was that since he tool office production is up on federal lands.

That's definitely not true. Down 14% per the dems on ABC.

The report I saw on NBC said down 14% for the period from 2010 to 2011 (after deep water horizon) but up since Obama took office in Jan. 2009. If that's the case, looks like Obama was right and Romney was cherry-picking a shorter time period. I'm sure that the numbers will be sorted out pretty soon. Should be pretty easy to verify one way or the other I would think.

 

[Zegras11]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

 

[dparker713]

Obama resorting to outright lies tonight. He said gas and oil leases & production are up on federal lands when even his DoE released a report recently showing both leases and production are down considerably.

I don't think he said leases are up. I believe that the assertion was that since he tool office production is up on federal lands.

That's definitely not true. Down 14% per the dems on ABC.

Actually, thats between 2010 and 2011, not since Obama took office, which was what Romney claimed.

 

[drummer]

Bottom Line. When you wake up tomorrow...

Gas Prices are ?

Unemployment ?

How much does the USA owe?

Clearly all circumstances that resulted only from the past 3 years. What happened before that is totally irrelevant.

I BLAME GEORGE BUSH! WAAAAAH!

Fixed, for accuracy.

You ignoring the severe damage GW and his cronies did make you look stupid. When can we talk about the debt, the death and the incompetency? When Romney is in office? Or should we just forget about it? ####### terrible.

You're kidding with this? You're asking when we can talk about this when it's the only thing the left has been doing since 2000? At what point do you guys take responsibility?

So can we just throw out years 2001 through 2008? Is that what you are purposing? And who is "you guys?"

As in STOP PICKING ON ME YOU GUYS!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

 

[Todd Andrews]

OB spoke for 44 minutes and Mitt spoke for 40.Mod jumped in and lied to protect OB.

Romney won the debate, despite it being 2 against 1. Well done, Mitt.

WAIT. Wait wait wait. Honest question: do you really believe Mitt won this debate?Those of us who think Mitt is a schmuck could still fairly admit that he won the first debate. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind could claim that Obama didn't win this.

Yes, he did. What's surprising is that you actually think Obama won. he got steamrolled by Jobs and the Economy from Romney.

kookoo kookoo

 

[Premier]

Reality check guy on CNN is amazing. Everybody who votes should be watching these.

 

[RBM]

Who is the chick on CNN? With the focus group

:hey now:

 

[TheWalkmen]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Directly after that "fact checker" Anderson Cooper clearly said the video they played in the rose garden was taken out of context, and the paragraph before the "acts of terror" comment BO was referncing 9/11. I just played it back on my DVR to verify.

That's not what he said.He said there was wiggle room. The fact checkers were strictly looking to see if he said those words, and he did.Anderson was saying that if you take things contextually and look at the broader picture, there's wiggle room, and then they went on to dismiss this trivial concern as something not important to people because Romney's bigger point was true and worth mentioning, and the administration has some answering to do for the mixed signaling. Romney simply chose to say Obama didn't say words he did say...he should've stuck to the broader point.

"I dont think this is as clear a slam dunk as the Obama campaign would like it to be; in his speech, he wasn't saying this was an act of terror, previous to the paragraph where he said acts of terror, he had been talking about 9/11" - anderson cooper exact quote.

 

[timschochet]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

 

[jonessed]

Bottom Line. When you wake up tomorrow...

Gas Prices are ?

Unemployment ?

How much does the USA owe?

Gas Prices are determined on the open global market. If you think the President has that much if any sway on the gas prices, you'll be sorely mistaken. If you want prices to go down, you'll have to stop India, China, and Brazil from industrializing. As far as how much US owes? Well they owe most of it to America so it isn't as bad as people claim. China owes 8% of our debt, most of our debt is owed to us Americans. We certainly have to address it but it isn't as pressing as most people think.

How long do you think these countries have been industrializing?

Look at the facts, in 2010, China's demand went up 12%, Latin America 5.7%, etc. The US was actually a net exporter of refined oil, so we had more refined oil then we needed.

Those countries have been industrializing for years and gas prices have been up and down.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

I like the chance my Tigers have of winning it all this year.

 

[Slapdash]

Wolf presented the poll as 46 - 39 Obama and said there was 8 point increase in sampling Republicans over their normal polls. Then he said that meant it was a tie. Isn't that backwards?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Wolf presented the poll as 46 - 39 Obama and said there was 8 point increase in sampling Republicans over their normal polls. Then he said that meant it was a tie. Isn't that backwards?

Wolf is still trying to figure out if little Falcon was in that balloon.

 

[dparker713]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Directly after that "fact checker" Anderson Cooper clearly said the video they played in the rose garden was taken out of context, and the paragraph before the "acts of terror" comment BO was referncing 9/11. I just played it back on my DVR to verify.

That's not what he said.He said there was wiggle room. The fact checkers were strictly looking to see if he said those words, and he did.Anderson was saying that if you take things contextually and look at the broader picture, there's wiggle room, and then they went on to dismiss this trivial concern as something not important to people because Romney's bigger point was true and worth mentioning, and the administration has some answering to do for the mixed signaling. Romney simply chose to say Obama didn't say words he did say...he should've stuck to the broader point.

"I dont think this is as clear a slam dunk as the Obama campaign would like it to be; in his speech, he wasn't saying this was an act of terror, previous to the paragraph where he said acts of terror, he had been talking about 9/11" - anderson cooper exact quote.

Doesn't need to be. Obama's #####slap was so much more impactful.

 

[adonis]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Directly after that "fact checker" Anderson Cooper clearly said the video they played in the rose garden was taken out of context, and the paragraph before the "acts of terror" comment BO was referncing 9/11. I just played it back on my DVR to verify.

That's not what he said.He said there was wiggle room. The fact checkers were strictly looking to see if he said those words, and he did.Anderson was saying that if you take things contextually and look at the broader picture, there's wiggle room, and then they went on to dismiss this trivial concern as something not important to people because Romney's bigger point was true and worth mentioning, and the administration has some answering to do for the mixed signaling. Romney simply chose to say Obama didn't say words he did say...he should've stuck to the broader point.

"I dont think this is as clear a slam dunk as the Obama campaign would like it to be; in his speech, he wasn't saying this was an act of terror, previous to the paragraph where he said acts of terror, he had been talking about 9/11" - anderson cooper exact quote.

Romney said he didn't say "act of terror" the day after. He did.The broader picture is what's important. Romney's wrong about the specific point he attacked, but it'll be an opportunity for Romney's campaign to make the broader point about the mixed messaging, the focus on the youtube video, etc. That's what he should've focused on, not specifically about what words Obama did or didn't say.

 

[phrozen]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

thanks Tim

 

[chet]

Just clicked on Fox news and they are saying Mitt won. So, unfortunately for Otis, there was no clear winner tonight.

Just as I said. Twice.

 

[RBM]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

 

[honky kong]

Wolf presented the poll as 46 - 39 Obama and said there was 8 point increase in sampling Republicans over their normal polls. Then he said that meant it was a tie. Isn't that backwards?

Wolf is still trying to figure out if little Falcon was in that balloon.

 

[Jewell]

Debates are essentially a spectator sport or reality show now because the mass media, and as a result the public, are obsessed with declaring a winner. A debates is essentially the candidates presenting their positions and their plan for how they'll lead America. Pre-mass media's obsession with declaring an instant winner people were more interested in truly hearing which candidatee had the better ideas. Today, they are more concerned with which candidate was more aggressive or had better body language or "won" the debate because of their style.

 

[cstu]

OB spoke for 44 minutes and Mitt spoke for 40.Mod jumped in and lied to protect OB.

Romney won the debate, despite it being 2 against 1. Well done, Mitt.

WAIT. Wait wait wait. Honest question: do you really believe Mitt won this debate?Those of us who think Mitt is a schmuck could still fairly admit that he won the first debate. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind could claim that Obama didn't win this.

 

[dparker713]

Just clicked on Fox news and they are saying Mitt won. So, unfortunately for Otis, there was no clear winner tonight.

Just as I said. Twice.

Fox News, Fair and Balanced!

 

[jonessed]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Why did Obama continue to say the attack was due to the video for many days after the attack including a speech to the UN?

Seems like Romneys general point was correct, but factually about what was said, Obama and the moderator were correct.

Exactly. Romney's basic point was Obama was not calling it a "terrorist attack". Semantics confused him.

It was a grey area the candidates were in the process of hammering out. The problem was the moderator jumped in and took a side. That should never happen.

 

[adonis]

Reality check guy on CNN is amazing. Everybody who votes should be watching these.

These fact checkers bend over backwards to give an analysis, but then say but the other guy is somehow someway a bit right too. Afraid to just lay down the truth here.

 

[timschochet]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Wolf presented the poll as 46 - 39 Obama and said there was 8 point increase in sampling Republicans over their normal polls. Then he said that meant it was a tie. Isn't that backwards?

Wolf is still trying to figure out if little Falcon was in that balloon.

Honestly, that was maybe the lowest point I've ever seen a big name journalist hit in my lifetime.

 

[Zegras11]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

I'm rootin' for ya

 

[adonis]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Why did Obama continue to say the attack was due to the video for many days after the attack including a speech to the UN?

Seems like Romneys general point was correct, but factually about what was said, Obama and the moderator were correct.

Exactly. Romney's basic point was Obama was not calling it a "terrorist attack". Semantics confused him.

It was a grey area the candidates were in the process of hammering out. The problem was the moderator jumped in and took a side. That should never happen.

She was right. It's good when a moderator can add facts to a situation. Romney shouldn't have gotten hung up on saying obama didn't use certain words or a phrase when he did, but he didn't say it in a way that was meaningful.Romney's mistake - not the moderators.

 

[jonessed]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Why did Obama continue to say the attack was due to the video for many days after the attack including a speech to the UN?

Seems like Romneys general point was correct, but factually about what was said, Obama and the moderator were correct.

Exactly. Romney's basic point was Obama was not calling it a "terrorist attack". Semantics confused him.

It was a grey area the candidates were in the process of hammering out. The problem was the moderator jumped in and took a side. That should never happen.

She was right. It's good when a moderator can add facts to a situation. Romney shouldn't have gotten hung up on saying obama didn't use certain words or a phrase when he did, but he didn't say it in a way that was meaningful.Romney's mistake - not the moderators.

God, you are such a dooch. The moderator should never take a side.

 

[Zegras11]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

Which is why it was the only topic the crowd reacted too and you'll retract before the next debate. Not that you've ever done that.

 

[chet]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.

At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

 

[adonis]

Very interested to see BO's Rose Garden quote.With any luck, it could turn into a "it depends on what the definition of is is." moment.

Just shown on CNN. Fact checker decided it was TRUE. Fact checked during the debate by Obama and the moderator.Didn't you earlier say she lied for Obama? Seems you're out of touch with the facts, but if you support Romney, you're probably OK with that.

Why did Obama continue to say the attack was due to the video for many days after the attack including a speech to the UN?

Seems like Romneys general point was correct, but factually about what was said, Obama and the moderator were correct.

Exactly. Romney's basic point was Obama was not calling it a "terrorist attack". Semantics confused him.

It was a grey area the candidates were in the process of hammering out. The problem was the moderator jumped in and took a side. That should never happen.

She was right. It's good when a moderator can add facts to a situation. Romney shouldn't have gotten hung up on saying obama didn't use certain words or a phrase when he did, but he didn't say it in a way that was meaningful.Romney's mistake - not the moderators.

God, you are such a dooch. The moderator should never take a side.

The side she took was the side of truth.Romney made the mistake to stake his ground on something factually incorrect.

 

[Politician Spock]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

I agree. The president should be able to blame terrorist attacks on chocolate ice cream lovers if he wants to without reproach. Leave the dude alone on this issue.

 

[timschochet]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

No he can't. Or put it this way: if he does, he's screwed.The Obama administration could have taken the threats more seriously. Then they stupidly tried to cover up their mistakes by issuing some rhetoric about the video that turned out to be way overstated. Typical bureacratic incompetence, which we see in every administration. I doubt that either Obama or Hillary were ever involved in ANY of these decisions. To try and blame this whole thing on Obama is silly- the public sees right through it and they really don't care about this issue.

 

[sporthenry]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

Well who cut money from the State Department which goes into the security? Would that be the House controlled Republicans? They cut funding by 128 million in 2011 and 331 million in 2012.

 

[jonessed]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

The topics were screened.

 

[adonis]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Debates are essentially a spectator sport or reality show now because the mass media, and as a result the public, are obsessed with declaring a winner. A debates is essentially the candidates presenting their positions and their plan for how they'll lead America. Pre-mass media's obsession with declaring an instant winner people were more interested in truly hearing which candidatee had the better ideas. Today, they are more concerned with which candidate was more aggressive or had better body language or "won" the debate because of their style.

Cool narrative, bro.

 

[cstu]

I can't believe you guys are still carrying on about Libya. No one except Obama haters even care. 1000 people in the military have died in Afghanistan since Obama took office and you think one dead ambassador is your trump card?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

If the Tigers win the WS, Obama will claim credit for it.

Could care less who claims credit for it. You can, max threshold can, Jim 11, Peter, Paul, even Mary.

I like the chance my Tigers have of winning it all this year.

Welcome aboard GB

 

[Premier]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She said afterwards she did a lot of prep work for the debate and figured Libya would come up. You were a lot better before you decided to become a non-homeless version of jim11 and RBM. Why not leave the paranoid loser shtick to them?

 

[timschochet]

And again- the reason that Obama won so handily on the Libya issue is because it never should have been brought up in the first place. Americans view these situations (the attack on the embassy) as non-political. This was a case of conservatives living in their own bubble and thinking that people would care about this. They don't.

Which is why it was the only topic the crowd reacted too and you'll retract before the next debate. Not that you've ever done that.

They reacted in disgust to Romney's attack and were happy to see him shot down- that's why they applauded.

 

[jonessed]

The third debate is all about foreign policy. Obama is going to own it, because Romney can't cite specific differences between himself and Obama. If he tries to emphasize Libya again, he'll only embarrass himself the way he did tonight. I can't really see any way Romney can win the last debate. Lucky for him, less people will be watching.

He can't emphasize how Obama's administration ignored calls for more security? Or the two week debacle about the stupid video?Where do you come up with this crap?

Well who cut money from the State Department which goes into the security? Would that be the House controlled Republicans? They cut funding by 128 million in 2011 and 331 million in 2012.

So they denied security requests because of lack of funding? Is that something the State Department said? Do you have a link?

 

[TheWalkmen]

I think this Libya thing is going to be a problem for BO.At the very least, how did Candy have the quote on her desk ready to protect BO?

She paid attention and researched the issues and quotes before the debate. It was no surprise this would come up, she was simply prepared.

Quotes really mean nothing without context.

 

[chet]

CANDY JUST ADMITTED ROMNEY WAS RIGHT ON LIBYA!!!!!